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| | | Author: | Pam_Shaver  | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 11:31 | | Subject: | #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 140 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| I was just flagged as selling a complete set that was missing the bucket. Henceforth
it is incomplete. I looked over the list of parts and I do not see a "bucket."
I have all the parts listed. What is the bucket? Is it the container the parts
came in?
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| | | | | Author: | Pam_Shaver | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 11:39 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| After further checking I now see the bucket is the container the parts came in.
However, it is not listed in the parts list and is not needed to build the set.
Would not having the bucket make the set incomplete? Many sets do not have
the original box and yet are considered complete.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Biglesdug | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 11:46 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Pam_Shaver writes:
| | After further checking I now see the bucket is the container the parts came in.
However, it is not listed in the parts list and is not needed to build the set.
Would not having the bucket make the set incomplete? Many sets do not have
the original box and yet are considered complete.
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The bucket is listed as the original box and therefor should not be need to list
as complete according to Bricklink's policy. There is also a bunch listed
as complete and not having the bucket. Someone is getting over zealous with wanting
people's listings removed.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 11:55 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Biglesdug writes:
| | In Selling, Pam_Shaver writes:
| | After further checking I now see the bucket is the container the parts came in.
However, it is not listed in the parts list and is not needed to build the set.
Would not having the bucket make the set incomplete? Many sets do not have
the original box and yet are considered complete.
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The bucket is listed as the original box and therefor should not be need to list
as complete according to Bricklink's policy. There is also a bunch listed
as complete and not having the bucket. Someone is getting over zealous with wanting
people's listings removed.
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Yes, this is a mistake. I hope whoever is approving these is not unfamiliar with
our catalog. Not a good sign.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 11:59 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, jennnifer writes:
| | In Selling, Biglesdug writes:
| | In Selling, Pam_Shaver writes:
| | After further checking I now see the bucket is the container the parts came in.
However, it is not listed in the parts list and is not needed to build the set.
Would not having the bucket make the set incomplete? Many sets do not have
the original box and yet are considered complete.
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The bucket is listed as the original box and therefor should not be need to list
as complete according to Bricklink's policy. There is also a bunch listed
as complete and not having the bucket. Someone is getting over zealous with wanting
people's listings removed.
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Yes, this is a mistake. I hope whoever is approving these is not unfamiliar with
our catalog. Not a good sign.
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Actually I think this needs to be reviewed and a possible policy change for these
types of items, as without the bucket it is just a bunch of parts.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tonnic | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 12:03 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Tracyd writes:
| | In Selling, jennnifer writes:
| | In Selling, Biglesdug writes:
| | In Selling, Pam_Shaver writes:
| | After further checking I now see the bucket is the container the parts came in.
However, it is not listed in the parts list and is not needed to build the set.
Would not having the bucket make the set incomplete? Many sets do not have
the original box and yet are considered complete.
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The bucket is listed as the original box and therefor should not be need to list
as complete according to Bricklink's policy. There is also a bunch listed
as complete and not having the bucket. Someone is getting over zealous with wanting
people's listings removed.
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Yes, this is a mistake. I hope whoever is approving these is not unfamiliar with
our catalog. Not a good sign.
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Actually I think this needs to be reviewed and a possible policy change for these
types of items, as without the bucket it is just a bunch of parts.
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I understand your thinking but this is the same with all sets missing the (cardboard)
box.
But yes, it feels a bit different with such a nice container.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Cob | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 16:49 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| | | as without the bucket it is just a bunch of parts.
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Isn't this the case for any set without the cardboard box?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Pam_Shaver | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 12:01 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| So how do I complain about the listing error? It seems it should be complete
even without the storage container bucket.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 12:08 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Pam_Shaver writes:
| | So how do I complain about the listing error? It seems it should be complete
even without the storage container bucket.
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It was listed as "Used, complete"? If so I have no idea how to appeal.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 18:10 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| This is getting ridiculous.
You need to have the bucket too even if all the pieces are there?
In Selling, jennnifer writes:
| | In Selling, Biglesdug writes:
| | In Selling, Pam_Shaver writes:
| | After further checking I now see the bucket is the container the parts came in.
However, it is not listed in the parts list and is not needed to build the set.
Would not having the bucket make the set incomplete? Many sets do not have
the original box and yet are considered complete.
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The bucket is listed as the original box and therefor should not be need to list
as complete according to Bricklink's policy. There is also a bunch listed
as complete and not having the bucket. Someone is getting over zealous with wanting
people's listings removed.
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Yes, this is a mistake. I hope whoever is approving these is not unfamiliar with
our catalog. Not a good sign.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 18:17 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, zorbanj writes:
| | This is getting ridiculous.
You need to have the bucket too even if all the pieces are there?
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All the regular normal common pieces? Even the minifigs aren't that uncommon.
The bucket is not disposable like a box. No bucket, no instruction and no minifigs
and you won't even know what set it is.
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In Selling, jennnifer writes:
| | In Selling, Biglesdug writes:
| | In Selling, Pam_Shaver writes:
| | After further checking I now see the bucket is the container the parts came in.
However, it is not listed in the parts list and is not needed to build the set.
Would not having the bucket make the set incomplete? Many sets do not have
the original box and yet are considered complete.
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The bucket is listed as the original box and therefor should not be need to list
as complete according to Bricklink's policy. There is also a bunch listed
as complete and not having the bucket. Someone is getting over zealous with wanting
people's listings removed.
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Yes, this is a mistake. I hope whoever is approving these is not unfamiliar with
our catalog. Not a good sign.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 18:27 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| Doesn't matter how common the pieces are:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
Used Sets
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts.
In Selling, Tracyd writes:
| | In Selling, zorbanj writes:
| | This is getting ridiculous.
You need to have the bucket too even if all the pieces are there?
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All the regular normal common pieces? Even the minifigs aren't that uncommon.
The bucket is not disposable like a box. No bucket, no instruction and no minifigs
and you won't even know what set it is.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 18:33 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, zorbanj writes:
| | Doesn't matter how common the pieces are:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
Used Sets
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts.
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Again as I said earlier, that might need to be revisited. So I can just find
the parts and call it that set without it ever being that set and sell them at
an inflated price. It is kind of like the argument of after how much replacement
is it not the original anymore?
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In Selling, Tracyd writes:
| | In Selling, zorbanj writes:
| | This is getting ridiculous.
You need to have the bucket too even if all the pieces are there?
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All the regular normal common pieces? Even the minifigs aren't that uncommon.
The bucket is not disposable like a box. No bucket, no instruction and no minifigs
and you won't even know what set it is.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Tracyd | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 18:37 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Tracyd writes:
| | In Selling, zorbanj writes:
| | Doesn't matter how common the pieces are:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
Used Sets
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts.
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Again as I said earlier, that might need to be revisited. So I can just find
the parts and call it that set without it ever being that set and sell them at
an inflated price. It is kind of like the argument of after how much replacement
is it not the original anymore?
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And in the word of uncle, "just one more thing" the owners and operators of this
site have the right to change definitions and remove listings at their discretion
for any or no reason. It is their site and we are just allowed to use it at
their discretion. And while more communications over the why would be good they
have a small team with a lot to do so sometimes there isn't time or the may
think it is obvious and do not see a need for more explaination.
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In Selling, Tracyd writes:
| | In Selling, zorbanj writes:
| | This is getting ridiculous.
You need to have the bucket too even if all the pieces are there?
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All the regular normal common pieces? Even the minifigs aren't that uncommon.
The bucket is not disposable like a box. No bucket, no instruction and no minifigs
and you won't even know what set it is.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 19:07 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Tracyd writes:
| | | | Again as I said earlier, that might need to be revisited. So I can just find
the parts and call it that set without it ever being that set and sell them at
an inflated price. It is kind of like the argument of after how much replacement
is it not the original anymore?
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Whether a price is inflated is in the eye of the beholder. Part out value and
prices for used complete are about the same for this set. This piece was only
in 3 sets:
| | And in the word of uncle, "just one more thing" the owners and operators of this
site have the right to change definitions and remove listings at their discretion
for any or no reason. It is their site and we are just allowed to use it at
their discretion. And while more communications over the why would be good they
have a small team with a lot to do so sometimes there isn't time or the may
think it is obvious and do not see a need for more explaination.
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Of course they can, but mistakes can are made by BL staff. Sellers can't
operate in a perpetual fog either. As of right now, the listing did not violate
the policy standard as stated and should not have been removed.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 19:01 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Tracyd writes:
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So I can just find
the parts and call it that set without it ever being that set […]
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Just for the sake of the argument, isn’t that called “bricklinking a set,” and
isn’t selling such sets authorized on BL?
 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Apr 8, 2021 04:13 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Selling, Tracyd writes:
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So I can just find
the parts and call it that set without it ever being that set […]
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Just for the sake of the argument, isn’t that called “bricklinking a set,” and
isn’t selling such sets authorized on BL?
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Yes... mostly.
Architecture sets and Yoda's Lightsaber are not permitted to be listed with
missing only the printed tile, neither marked as incomplete.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 21:04 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, zorbanj writes:
| | This is getting ridiculous.
You need to have the bucket too even if all the pieces are there?
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Without trying to redesign BL on the fly … from my perspective, the presence
or absence of the bucket should be specified. What is causing so much consternation
in this thread is that different people have a different interpretation of what
complete means. I doubt we can all agree in every possible situation. So, at
the end of the day, set listings really need a check list …
parts are all present (yes/no)
minifigs are all present (yes/no)
instructions are present (yes/no)
box/tub/bucket is present (yes/no)
sticker sheets are present or applied to bricks (yes/no)
That list would pretty much do away with the entire concept of complete/incomplete,
and make the seller provide full disclosure, so as to not leave anyone in the
position of assuming anything (because that is what leads to disputes).
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 14:29 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Biglesdug writes:
| | In Selling, Pam_Shaver writes:
| | After further checking I now see the bucket is the container the parts came in.
However, it is not listed in the parts list and is not needed to build the set.
Would not having the bucket make the set incomplete? Many sets do not have
the original box and yet are considered complete.
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The bucket is listed as the original box and therefor should not be need to list
as complete according to Bricklink's policy. There is also a bunch listed
as complete and not having the bucket. Someone is getting over zealous with wanting
people's listings removed.
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IMHO, the bucket for 7159-1 was unique (because it was molded from black glitter
plastic). I am not familiar with any other buckets/tubs like it. So in one sense,
it is more than a box, and almost like the sticker sheet (as far as completeness).
This is one of those odd situations, but the bucket may have been the only thing
in 7159-1 that was unique to it, and in a sense makes the set complete.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Biglesdug | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 14:45 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, cosmicray writes:
| | In Selling, Biglesdug writes:
| | In Selling, Pam_Shaver writes:
| | After further checking I now see the bucket is the container the parts came in.
However, it is not listed in the parts list and is not needed to build the set.
Would not having the bucket make the set incomplete? Many sets do not have
the original box and yet are considered complete.
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The bucket is listed as the original box and therefor should not be need to list
as complete according to Bricklink's policy. There is also a bunch listed
as complete and not having the bucket. Someone is getting over zealous with wanting
people's listings removed.
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IMHO, the bucket for 7159-1 was unique (because it was molded from black glitter
plastic). I am not familiar with any other buckets/tubs like it. So in one sense,
it is more than a box, and almost like the sticker sheet (as far as completeness).
This is one of those odd situations, but the bucket may have been the only thing
in 7159-1 that was unique to it, and in a sense makes the set complete.
Nita Rae
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There are a bunch of sets like that were the tub is special
but really the tub is just like a box not need to complete the set.
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 17:56 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 18:01 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 18:05 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Pam_Shaver writes:
| | I was just flagged as selling a complete set that was missing the bucket. Henceforth
it is incomplete. I looked over the list of parts and I do not see a "bucket."
I have all the parts listed. What is the bucket? Is it the container the parts
came in?
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I'll try once again
Welcome to the jungle, Pam!
And to all the pre-2010 BL members (Daniel's BL) we're approaching the
event horizon, strap in! It's gonna be a hell of a ride!
-popsicle
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| | | | | | | Author: | Pam_Shaver | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 19:00 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| Thank you all for your input. Shouldn't the "bucket" then be listed in the
parts? Can someone add it. Also, I was not the only one listing the set as
complete without the bucket. I have since listed it as incomplete.
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Apr 8, 2021 11:16 | | Subject: | Re: #7159 Star Wars Pod Racing Bucket | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Selling, Pam_Shaver writes:
| | I was just flagged as selling a complete set that was missing the bucket. Henceforth
it is incomplete. I looked over the list of parts and I do not see a "bucket."
I have all the parts listed. What is the bucket? Is it the container the parts
came in?
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I can verify this was a mistake on our part. The listing should not have been
removed because the "bucket" was missing. We will amend the internal documentation
for removal requests to prevent this form happening in the future.
Regarding an appeals process for item removal requests, please post in the Forum,
contact me, or send a ticket to the Help Desk.
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Thanks for posting the update on this! It is important that we hear from BrickLink
on matters such as these so we know you guys are paying attention to what we
discuss here.
Jen
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