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 Author: Emporiosa View Messages Posted By Emporiosa
 Posted: Apr 3, 2021 09:02
 Subject: Add tax inclusive/exempt option on refund
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Emporiosa (2799)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Had a thought about the previous discussion where it is quite confusing currently
for processing refunds for US states that have collected sales tax. As it stands,
the refund box has us enter an amount, and then below it calculates the amount
that will come from the seller/PayPal, and the amount from the taxes BrickLink
collected, so a seller has to know the rate of tax for the state of the buyer
and also include it in the total.

Suggestion:
-Beside the box where you enter the refund amount, include a "tax inclusive"
and "tax exclusive" radio button where the seller can select it.

This would allow sellers to not have to know the rate of state for the state
and manually calculate it by selecting "tax exclusive", meaning the calculation
below will take that amount, and ADD tax to the total (not as a % of the total
the seller put in).

But this also allows what Niek (qwertyboy) had suggested where if you want to
give a higher total amount, you can check tax inclusive so it'll act the
way that it's currently programmed.
 Author: cosmicray View Messages Posted By cosmicray
 Posted: Apr 3, 2021 09:28
 Subject: Re: Add tax inclusive/exempt option on refund
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In Suggestions, Emporiosa writes:
  Had a thought about the previous discussion where it is quite confusing currently
for processing refunds for US states that have collected sales tax. As it stands,
the refund box has us enter an amount, and then below it calculates the amount
that will come from the seller/PayPal, and the amount from the taxes BrickLink
collected, so a seller has to know the rate of tax for the state of the buyer
and also include it in the total.

Which is different from the exemption issue. The real important question about
this is, who determines that a buyer is exempt, the seller or BL. From my perspective
it would be BL that processes the buyer's exemption certificate (as it would
cover all sellers shipping to that buyer).

  Suggestion:
-Beside the box where you enter the refund amount, include a "tax inclusive"
and "tax exclusive" radio button where the seller can select it.

This would allow sellers to not have to know the rate of state for the state
and manually calculate it by selecting "tax exclusive", meaning the calculation
below will take that amount, and ADD tax to the total (not as a % of the total
the seller put in).

Seller's will not know, particularly when the tax rate varies by jurisdiction
within a state. Florida has a statewide base rate of 6%, but a county optional
add-on of 0%-1.5%. So the rate may vary depending on the specific address within
the state. The rate can more likely be retrieved by the service that BL is using
to pull up this information.

  But this also allows what Niek (qwertyboy) had suggested where if you want to
give a higher total amount, you can check tax inclusive so it'll act the
way that it's currently programmed.

Nita Rae
 Author: Emporiosa View Messages Posted By Emporiosa
 Posted: Apr 3, 2021 10:01
 Subject: Re: Add tax inclusive/exempt option on refund
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Emporiosa (2799)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
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In Suggestions, cosmicray writes:
  In Suggestions, Emporiosa writes:
  Had a thought about the previous discussion where it is quite confusing currently
for processing refunds for US states that have collected sales tax. As it stands,
the refund box has us enter an amount, and then below it calculates the amount
that will come from the seller/PayPal, and the amount from the taxes BrickLink
collected, so a seller has to know the rate of tax for the state of the buyer
and also include it in the total.

Which is different from the exemption issue. The real important question about
this is, who determines that a buyer is exempt, the seller or BL. From my perspective
it would be BL that processes the buyer's exemption certificate (as it would
cover all sellers shipping to that buyer).

  Suggestion:
-Beside the box where you enter the refund amount, include a "tax inclusive"
and "tax exclusive" radio button where the seller can select it.

This would allow sellers to not have to know the rate of state for the state
and manually calculate it by selecting "tax exclusive", meaning the calculation
below will take that amount, and ADD tax to the total (not as a % of the total
the seller put in).

Seller's will not know, particularly when the tax rate varies by jurisdiction
within a state. Florida has a statewide base rate of 6%, but a county optional
add-on of 0%-1.5%. So the rate may vary depending on the specific address within
the state. The rate can more likely be retrieved by the service that BL is using
to pull up this information.

  But this also allows what Niek (qwertyboy) had suggested where if you want to
give a higher total amount, you can check tax inclusive so it'll act the
way that it's currently programmed.

Nita Rae

By tax exclusive, I wasn't referring to any kind of tax exemption. Tax exclusive
when referring to calculators like this means that the total you have entered
does not include the sales tax. This is how sellers want it to operate (based
on discussions), where the amount we enter is tax exclusive, so the calculation
below it will add the tax automatically without the seller having to calculate
it (since we can't easily know what the rates are).

Tax inclusive is for when a seller is doing an amount (usually) above and beyond
just a direct refund of a part. To clarify, how it works right now by default
is this method - tax inclusive. When you enter an amount, the calculator believes
that you already included the sales tax, and it's doing the breakdown of
which part of that refund is sales tax, and what is the amount for the item(s)
itself.
 Author: qwertyboy View Messages Posted By qwertyboy
 Posted: Apr 4, 2021 00:14
 Subject: Re: Add tax inclusive/exempt option on refund
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 Topic: Suggestions
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In Suggestions, Emporiosa writes:
  In Suggestions, cosmicray writes:
  In Suggestions, Emporiosa writes:
  Had a thought about the previous discussion where it is quite confusing currently
for processing refunds for US states that have collected sales tax. As it stands,
the refund box has us enter an amount, and then below it calculates the amount
that will come from the seller/PayPal, and the amount from the taxes BrickLink
collected, so a seller has to know the rate of tax for the state of the buyer
and also include it in the total.

Which is different from the exemption issue. The real important question about
this is, who determines that a buyer is exempt, the seller or BL. From my perspective
it would be BL that processes the buyer's exemption certificate (as it would
cover all sellers shipping to that buyer).

  Suggestion:
-Beside the box where you enter the refund amount, include a "tax inclusive"
and "tax exclusive" radio button where the seller can select it.

This would allow sellers to not have to know the rate of state for the state
and manually calculate it by selecting "tax exclusive", meaning the calculation
below will take that amount, and ADD tax to the total (not as a % of the total
the seller put in).

Seller's will not know, particularly when the tax rate varies by jurisdiction
within a state. Florida has a statewide base rate of 6%, but a county optional
add-on of 0%-1.5%. So the rate may vary depending on the specific address within
the state. The rate can more likely be retrieved by the service that BL is using
to pull up this information.

  But this also allows what Niek (qwertyboy) had suggested where if you want to
give a higher total amount, you can check tax inclusive so it'll act the
way that it's currently programmed.

Nita Rae

By tax exclusive, I wasn't referring to any kind of tax exemption. Tax exclusive
when referring to calculators like this means that the total you have entered
does not include the sales tax. This is how sellers want it to operate (based
on discussions), where the amount we enter is tax exclusive, so the calculation
below it will add the tax automatically without the seller having to calculate
it (since we can't easily know what the rates are).

Tax inclusive is for when a seller is doing an amount (usually) above and beyond
just a direct refund of a part. To clarify, how it works right now by default
is this method - tax inclusive. When you enter an amount, the calculator believes
that you already included the sales tax, and it's doing the breakdown of
which part of that refund is sales tax, and what is the amount for the item(s)
itself.

... and to make things even more complex - I believe some states have taxes on
shipping as well, and others don't. What if you agree to refund an item from
the order plus the order's shipping cost? BL can't know what part of
the agreed-upon refund amount is for shipping. It will likely refund too much
of its tax collection and not enough from the seller's pocket.

(This is not a hypothetical situation - if we can't fulfill something from
an order and it is the most important or most valuable part, we could agree to
refund part+shipping.)

Niek.
 Author: patpendlego View Messages Posted By patpendlego
 Posted: Apr 4, 2021 00:46
 Subject: Re: Add tax inclusive/exempt option on refund
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In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
  In Suggestions, Emporiosa writes:
  In Suggestions, cosmicray writes:
  In Suggestions, Emporiosa writes:
  Had a thought about the previous discussion where it is quite confusing currently
for processing refunds for US states that have collected sales tax. As it stands,
the refund box has us enter an amount, and then below it calculates the amount
that will come from the seller/PayPal, and the amount from the taxes BrickLink
collected, so a seller has to know the rate of tax for the state of the buyer
and also include it in the total.

Which is different from the exemption issue. The real important question about
this is, who determines that a buyer is exempt, the seller or BL. From my perspective
it would be BL that processes the buyer's exemption certificate (as it would
cover all sellers shipping to that buyer).

  Suggestion:
-Beside the box where you enter the refund amount, include a "tax inclusive"
and "tax exclusive" radio button where the seller can select it.

This would allow sellers to not have to know the rate of state for the state
and manually calculate it by selecting "tax exclusive", meaning the calculation
below will take that amount, and ADD tax to the total (not as a % of the total
the seller put in).

Seller's will not know, particularly when the tax rate varies by jurisdiction
within a state. Florida has a statewide base rate of 6%, but a county optional
add-on of 0%-1.5%. So the rate may vary depending on the specific address within
the state. The rate can more likely be retrieved by the service that BL is using
to pull up this information.

  But this also allows what Niek (qwertyboy) had suggested where if you want to
give a higher total amount, you can check tax inclusive so it'll act the
way that it's currently programmed.

Nita Rae

By tax exclusive, I wasn't referring to any kind of tax exemption. Tax exclusive
when referring to calculators like this means that the total you have entered
does not include the sales tax. This is how sellers want it to operate (based
on discussions), where the amount we enter is tax exclusive, so the calculation
below it will add the tax automatically without the seller having to calculate
it (since we can't easily know what the rates are).

Tax inclusive is for when a seller is doing an amount (usually) above and beyond
just a direct refund of a part. To clarify, how it works right now by default
is this method - tax inclusive. When you enter an amount, the calculator believes
that you already included the sales tax, and it's doing the breakdown of
which part of that refund is sales tax, and what is the amount for the item(s)
itself.

... and to make things even more complex - I believe some states have taxes on
shipping as well, and others don't. What if you agree to refund an item from
the order plus the order's shipping cost? BL can't know what part of
the agreed-upon refund amount is for shipping. It will likely refund too much
of its tax collection and not enough from the seller's pocket.

(This is not a hypothetical situation - if we can't fulfill something from
an order and it is the most important or most valuable part, we could agree to
refund part+shipping.)

Niek.

There can be only one party responsible for tax/vat and that is the seller. So..
if BrickLink is taking on the burden of tax/vat and be liable for it, there can
only be one conclusion: BrickLink is the seller. Hence, BrickLink does the sale,
the invoicing, the tax/vat, the refund, etc. (And takes care of the not hypothetical
situation described above.)
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: Apr 4, 2021 05:32
 Subject: Re: Add tax inclusive/exempt option on refund
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In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
  In Suggestions, Emporiosa writes:
  In Suggestions, cosmicray writes:
  In Suggestions, Emporiosa writes:
  Had a thought about the previous discussion where it is quite confusing currently
for processing refunds for US states that have collected sales tax. As it stands,
the refund box has us enter an amount, and then below it calculates the amount
that will come from the seller/PayPal, and the amount from the taxes BrickLink
collected, so a seller has to know the rate of tax for the state of the buyer
and also include it in the total.

Which is different from the exemption issue. The real important question about
this is, who determines that a buyer is exempt, the seller or BL. From my perspective
it would be BL that processes the buyer's exemption certificate (as it would
cover all sellers shipping to that buyer).

  Suggestion:
-Beside the box where you enter the refund amount, include a "tax inclusive"
and "tax exclusive" radio button where the seller can select it.

This would allow sellers to not have to know the rate of state for the state
and manually calculate it by selecting "tax exclusive", meaning the calculation
below will take that amount, and ADD tax to the total (not as a % of the total
the seller put in).

Seller's will not know, particularly when the tax rate varies by jurisdiction
within a state. Florida has a statewide base rate of 6%, but a county optional
add-on of 0%-1.5%. So the rate may vary depending on the specific address within
the state. The rate can more likely be retrieved by the service that BL is using
to pull up this information.

  But this also allows what Niek (qwertyboy) had suggested where if you want to
give a higher total amount, you can check tax inclusive so it'll act the
way that it's currently programmed.

Nita Rae

By tax exclusive, I wasn't referring to any kind of tax exemption. Tax exclusive
when referring to calculators like this means that the total you have entered
does not include the sales tax. This is how sellers want it to operate (based
on discussions), where the amount we enter is tax exclusive, so the calculation
below it will add the tax automatically without the seller having to calculate
it (since we can't easily know what the rates are).

Tax inclusive is for when a seller is doing an amount (usually) above and beyond
just a direct refund of a part. To clarify, how it works right now by default
is this method - tax inclusive. When you enter an amount, the calculator believes
that you already included the sales tax, and it's doing the breakdown of
which part of that refund is sales tax, and what is the amount for the item(s)
itself.

... and to make things even more complex - I believe some states have taxes on
shipping as well, and others don't. What if you agree to refund an item from
the order plus the order's shipping cost? BL can't know what part of
the agreed-upon refund amount is for shipping. It will likely refund too much
of its tax collection and not enough from the seller's pocket.

(This is not a hypothetical situation - if we can't fulfill something from
an order and it is the most important or most valuable part, we could agree to
refund part+shipping.)

Niek.

In other online marketplace the refund form lets you refund pieces, shipping
or credit...