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 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Mar 31, 2021 15:05
 Subject: The Brexit Solution
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This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

We have pulled together a statement about our Brexit tax solution, and an email
went out just a few minutes ago covering the major points. I have pasted in a
screenshot of the message below.

We also have a page with a few FAQs:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511

If you have further questions, please post them in this thread and we will update
the FAQs as needed.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
 
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: Mar 31, 2021 15:14
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

We have pulled together a statement about our Brexit tax solution, and an email
went out just a few minutes ago covering the major points. I have pasted in a
screenshot of the message below.

We also have a page with a few FAQs:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511

If you have further questions, please post them in this thread and we will update
the FAQs as needed.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

That is good communication, late, but good nevertheless, thanks Russell.

Just one question, what about Business to Business transactions between EU Seller
and UK buyer, those should not collect VAT under 135 GBP.
I couldn't find anything about this in the FAQ or email.

Sergio
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Mar 31, 2021 17:18
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

We have pulled together a statement about our Brexit tax solution, and an email
went out just a few minutes ago covering the major points. I have pasted in a
screenshot of the message below.

We also have a page with a few FAQs:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511

If you have further questions, please post them in this thread and we will update
the FAQs as needed.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

So is Bricklink finally going to disclose the tax number the VAT is charged under?
If not, how does the seller have evidence that they have paid VAT over this sale?
 Author: patpendlego View Messages Posted By patpendlego
 Posted: Mar 31, 2021 17:42
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

We have pulled together a statement about our Brexit tax solution, and an email
went out just a few minutes ago covering the major points. I have pasted in a
screenshot of the message below.

We also have a page with a few FAQs:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511

If you have further questions, please post them in this thread and we will update
the FAQs as needed.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

So is Bricklink finally going to disclose the tax number the VAT is charged under?
If not, how does the seller have evidence that they have paid VAT over this sale?

BrickLink has become the OMP because they have taken on the burder of tax and
vat, hence BrickLink is the (actual) seller with respect to the buyer. The (previously)
seller is no longer seller but just a provider of items. The buyer buys from
BrickLink, which is liable for all taxes, invoicing, payments, refunds, etc.
Between BrickLink and the provider (of items) a non-delivering transaction is
taken place, because the provider ship`s the items to the buyer on request of
BrickLink, that is all. We are no longer sellers on BrickLink. By putting our
items on BrickLink inventory we give BrickLink the right to sell those items
(for us).

That is the whole idea of OMP, no longer a binary contact between buyer and (us
as) seller, but a triangular relation/transaction between buyer, seller (BrickLink)
and provider (us).

It seems to me BrickLink is still struggling with this concept but imo in the
end has no other option than to move forward to this scenario. As other OMP's
already have done.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Mar 31, 2021 17:45
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In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

We have pulled together a statement about our Brexit tax solution, and an email
went out just a few minutes ago covering the major points. I have pasted in a
screenshot of the message below.

We also have a page with a few FAQs:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511

If you have further questions, please post them in this thread and we will update
the FAQs as needed.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

So is Bricklink finally going to disclose the tax number the VAT is charged under?
If not, how does the seller have evidence that they have paid VAT over this sale?

BrickLink has become the OMP because they have taken on the burder of tax and
vat, hence BrickLink is the (actual) seller with respect to the buyer. The (previously)
seller is no longer seller but just a provider of items. The buyer buys from
BrickLink, which is liable for all taxes, invoicing, payments, refunds, etc.
Between BrickLink and the provider (of items) a non-delivering transaction is
taken place, because the provider ship`s the items to the buyer on request of
BrickLink, that is all. We are no longer sellers on BrickLink. By putting our
items on BrickLink inventory we give BrickLink the right to sell those items
(for us).

That is the whole idea of OMP, no longer a binary contact between buyer and (us
as) seller, but a triangular relation/transaction between buyer, seller (BrickLink)
and provider (us).

It seems to me BrickLink is still struggling with this concept but imo in the
end has no other option than to move forward to this scenario. As other OMP's
already have done.

Ok, but so, what evidence does the seller have that their VAT obligation has
been taken care of? If they don't have the TAX ID that it's been done
with?
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Mar 31, 2021 17:47
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

We have pulled together a statement about our Brexit tax solution, and an email
went out just a few minutes ago covering the major points. I have pasted in a
screenshot of the message below.

We also have a page with a few FAQs:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511

If you have further questions, please post them in this thread and we will update
the FAQs as needed.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

So is Bricklink finally going to disclose the tax number the VAT is charged under?
If not, how does the seller have evidence that they have paid VAT over this sale?

BrickLink has become the OMP because they have taken on the burder of tax and
vat, hence BrickLink is the (actual) seller with respect to the buyer. The (previously)
seller is no longer seller but just a provider of items. The buyer buys from
BrickLink, which is liable for all taxes, invoicing, payments, refunds, etc.
Between BrickLink and the provider (of items) a non-delivering transaction is
taken place, because the provider ship`s the items to the buyer on request of
BrickLink, that is all. We are no longer sellers on BrickLink. By putting our
items on BrickLink inventory we give BrickLink the right to sell those items
(for us).

That is the whole idea of OMP, no longer a binary contact between buyer and (us
as) seller, but a triangular relation/transaction between buyer, seller (BrickLink)
and provider (us).

It seems to me BrickLink is still struggling with this concept but imo in the
end has no other option than to move forward to this scenario. As other OMP's
already have done.

Ok, but so, what evidence does the seller have that their VAT obligation has
been taken care of? If they don't have the TAX ID that it's been done
with?

Or do sellers need to invoice Bricklink as their client and count it as an export
to the US? In that case, sellers will need Bricklink's address.
 Author: patpendlego View Messages Posted By patpendlego
 Posted: Mar 31, 2021 17:59
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

We have pulled together a statement about our Brexit tax solution, and an email
went out just a few minutes ago covering the major points. I have pasted in a
screenshot of the message below.

We also have a page with a few FAQs:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511

If you have further questions, please post them in this thread and we will update
the FAQs as needed.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

So is Bricklink finally going to disclose the tax number the VAT is charged under?
If not, how does the seller have evidence that they have paid VAT over this sale?

BrickLink has become the OMP because they have taken on the burder of tax and
vat, hence BrickLink is the (actual) seller with respect to the buyer. The (previously)
seller is no longer seller but just a provider of items. The buyer buys from
BrickLink, which is liable for all taxes, invoicing, payments, refunds, etc.
Between BrickLink and the provider (of items) a non-delivering transaction is
taken place, because the provider ship`s the items to the buyer on request of
BrickLink, that is all. We are no longer sellers on BrickLink. By putting our
items on BrickLink inventory we give BrickLink the right to sell those items
(for us).

That is the whole idea of OMP, no longer a binary contact between buyer and (us
as) seller, but a triangular relation/transaction between buyer, seller (BrickLink)
and provider (us).

It seems to me BrickLink is still struggling with this concept but imo in the
end has no other option than to move forward to this scenario. As other OMP's
already have done.

Ok, but so, what evidence does the seller have that their VAT obligation has
been taken care of? If they don't have the TAX ID that it's been done
with?

You are NOT the seller anymore, so you do not have to prove VAT is paid. The
OMP is liable they have to prove.

Suppose you have 1000 bricks 3001 white and you want 10 ct each. You tell BrickLink
you have 1000 bricks 3001 white for 10 ct each. If someone buys 100 from BrickLink,
then BrickLink takes care of invoicing, all the vat, taxes, import/export etc.
etc. and tells the buyer that each brick including all that cost 10+X ct. The
buyer pays BrickLink, BrickLink pays all taxes and vat and import/export whatever,
and BrickLink pays 100 x 10 ct to you. Probably minus some fee (of course).

The only thing you still have to do is pay income tax on amount BrickLink pays
to you. And maybe the fee, but that depends on the implementation of BrickLink,
they could also charge the fee into the saleprice to the buyer.

It's really very simple. The new OMP concept.

Tax/vat depend on too much variables, like country of origin, country of destionation,
new or used, etc. The OMP is liable for that all.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Mar 31, 2021 18:58
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In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

We have pulled together a statement about our Brexit tax solution, and an email
went out just a few minutes ago covering the major points. I have pasted in a
screenshot of the message below.

We also have a page with a few FAQs:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511

If you have further questions, please post them in this thread and we will update
the FAQs as needed.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

So is Bricklink finally going to disclose the tax number the VAT is charged under?
If not, how does the seller have evidence that they have paid VAT over this sale?

BrickLink has become the OMP because they have taken on the burder of tax and
vat, hence BrickLink is the (actual) seller with respect to the buyer. The (previously)
seller is no longer seller but just a provider of items. The buyer buys from
BrickLink, which is liable for all taxes, invoicing, payments, refunds, etc.
Between BrickLink and the provider (of items) a non-delivering transaction is
taken place, because the provider ship`s the items to the buyer on request of
BrickLink, that is all. We are no longer sellers on BrickLink. By putting our
items on BrickLink inventory we give BrickLink the right to sell those items
(for us).

That is the whole idea of OMP, no longer a binary contact between buyer and (us
as) seller, but a triangular relation/transaction between buyer, seller (BrickLink)
and provider (us).

It seems to me BrickLink is still struggling with this concept but imo in the
end has no other option than to move forward to this scenario. As other OMP's
already have done.

Ok, but so, what evidence does the seller have that their VAT obligation has
been taken care of? If they don't have the TAX ID that it's been done
with?

You are NOT the seller anymore, so you do not have to prove VAT is paid. The
OMP is liable they have to prove.

Suppose you have 1000 bricks 3001 white and you want 10 ct each. You tell BrickLink
you have 1000 bricks 3001 white for 10 ct each. If someone buys 100 from BrickLink,
then BrickLink takes care of invoicing, all the vat, taxes, import/export etc.
etc. and tells the buyer that each brick including all that cost 10+X ct. The
buyer pays BrickLink, BrickLink pays all taxes and vat and import/export whatever,
and BrickLink pays 100 x 10 ct to you. Probably minus some fee (of course).

The only thing you still have to do is pay income tax on amount BrickLink pays
to you. And maybe the fee, but that depends on the implementation of BrickLink,
they could also charge the fee into the saleprice to the buyer.

It's really very simple. The new OMP concept.

Tax/vat depend on too much variables, like country of origin, country of destionation,
new or used, etc. The OMP is liable for that all.

I get that, but again... where is the evidence? You are still a seller. You are
registered with the authorities as a business. You generate income. Where is
the evidence that you do not need to pay VAT over this income, like all other
businesses?
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

We have pulled together a statement about our Brexit tax solution, and an email
went out just a few minutes ago covering the major points. I have pasted in a
screenshot of the message below.

We also have a page with a few FAQs:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511

If you have further questions, please post them in this thread and we will update
the FAQs as needed.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

So is Bricklink finally going to disclose the tax number the VAT is charged under?
If not, how does the seller have evidence that they have paid VAT over this sale?

BrickLink has become the OMP because they have taken on the burder of tax and
vat, hence BrickLink is the (actual) seller with respect to the buyer. The (previously)
seller is no longer seller but just a provider of items. The buyer buys from
BrickLink, which is liable for all taxes, invoicing, payments, refunds, etc.
Between BrickLink and the provider (of items) a non-delivering transaction is
taken place, because the provider ship`s the items to the buyer on request of
BrickLink, that is all. We are no longer sellers on BrickLink. By putting our
items on BrickLink inventory we give BrickLink the right to sell those items
(for us).

That is the whole idea of OMP, no longer a binary contact between buyer and (us
as) seller, but a triangular relation/transaction between buyer, seller (BrickLink)
and provider (us).

It seems to me BrickLink is still struggling with this concept but imo in the
end has no other option than to move forward to this scenario. As other OMP's
already have done.

Ok, but so, what evidence does the seller have that their VAT obligation has
been taken care of? If they don't have the TAX ID that it's been done
with?

You are NOT the seller anymore, so you do not have to prove VAT is paid. The
OMP is liable they have to prove.

Suppose you have 1000 bricks 3001 white and you want 10 ct each. You tell BrickLink
you have 1000 bricks 3001 white for 10 ct each. If someone buys 100 from BrickLink,
then BrickLink takes care of invoicing, all the vat, taxes, import/export etc.
etc. and tells the buyer that each brick including all that cost 10+X ct. The
buyer pays BrickLink, BrickLink pays all taxes and vat and import/export whatever,
and BrickLink pays 100 x 10 ct to you. Probably minus some fee (of course).

The only thing you still have to do is pay income tax on amount BrickLink pays
to you. And maybe the fee, but that depends on the implementation of BrickLink,
they could also charge the fee into the saleprice to the buyer.

It's really very simple. The new OMP concept.

Tax/vat depend on too much variables, like country of origin, country of destionation,
new or used, etc. The OMP is liable for that all.

I get that, but again... where is the evidence? You are still a seller. You are
registered with the authorities as a business. You generate income. Where is
the evidence that you do not need to pay VAT over this income, like all other
businesses?

https://www.brexitloket.nl/actueel/nieuws/2020/12/22/nieuwe-regels-webwinkels

According to the Dutch government, when selling on platforms where you ship the
goods (e.g. Bricklink), you really do need to do the VAT handling. Bricklink's
claim that you can simply sell as usual and not worry about it, is in direct
contradiction with the information of the Dutch government. I'll try to call
them tomorrow to see if I can get some more info.

I'm not an expert by any means, but looking at it logically, the seller will
either need to:
1: Do the VAT handling
2: Have the VAT handling done on your VAT ID
3: Know which VAT ID was used for handling VAT
4: Have Bricklink, California as your customer, in which case there is no VAT
incurred.

These are the scenarios that I can think of where there would be some kind of
proof that VAT was handled correctly. I don't really see how a seller could
compile an invoice where it says "UK" but not be able to produce any kind of
administration about where the VAT went...
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

We have pulled together a statement about our Brexit tax solution, and an email
went out just a few minutes ago covering the major points. I have pasted in a
screenshot of the message below.

We also have a page with a few FAQs:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511

If you have further questions, please post them in this thread and we will update
the FAQs as needed.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

So is Bricklink finally going to disclose the tax number the VAT is charged under?
If not, how does the seller have evidence that they have paid VAT over this sale?

BrickLink has become the OMP because they have taken on the burder of tax and
vat, hence BrickLink is the (actual) seller with respect to the buyer. The (previously)
seller is no longer seller but just a provider of items. The buyer buys from
BrickLink, which is liable for all taxes, invoicing, payments, refunds, etc.
Between BrickLink and the provider (of items) a non-delivering transaction is
taken place, because the provider ship`s the items to the buyer on request of
BrickLink, that is all. We are no longer sellers on BrickLink. By putting our
items on BrickLink inventory we give BrickLink the right to sell those items
(for us).

That is the whole idea of OMP, no longer a binary contact between buyer and (us
as) seller, but a triangular relation/transaction between buyer, seller (BrickLink)
and provider (us).

It seems to me BrickLink is still struggling with this concept but imo in the
end has no other option than to move forward to this scenario. As other OMP's
already have done.

Ok, but so, what evidence does the seller have that their VAT obligation has
been taken care of? If they don't have the TAX ID that it's been done
with?

You are NOT the seller anymore, so you do not have to prove VAT is paid. The
OMP is liable they have to prove.

Suppose you have 1000 bricks 3001 white and you want 10 ct each. You tell BrickLink
you have 1000 bricks 3001 white for 10 ct each. If someone buys 100 from BrickLink,
then BrickLink takes care of invoicing, all the vat, taxes, import/export etc.
etc. and tells the buyer that each brick including all that cost 10+X ct. The
buyer pays BrickLink, BrickLink pays all taxes and vat and import/export whatever,
and BrickLink pays 100 x 10 ct to you. Probably minus some fee (of course).

The only thing you still have to do is pay income tax on amount BrickLink pays
to you. And maybe the fee, but that depends on the implementation of BrickLink,
they could also charge the fee into the saleprice to the buyer.

It's really very simple. The new OMP concept.

Tax/vat depend on too much variables, like country of origin, country of destionation,
new or used, etc. The OMP is liable for that all.

I get that, but again... where is the evidence? You are still a seller. You are
registered with the authorities as a business. You generate income. Where is
the evidence that you do not need to pay VAT over this income, like all other
businesses?

https://www.brexitloket.nl/actueel/nieuws/2020/12/22/nieuwe-regels-webwinkels

According to the Dutch government, when selling on platforms where you ship the
goods (e.g. Bricklink), you really do need to do the VAT handling. Bricklink's
claim that you can simply sell as usual and not worry about it, is in direct
contradiction with the information of the Dutch government. I'll try to call
them tomorrow to see if I can get some more info.

I'm not an expert by any means, but looking at it logically, the seller will
either need to:
1: Do the VAT handling
2: Have the VAT handling done on your VAT ID
3: Know which VAT ID was used for handling VAT
4: Have Bricklink, California as your customer, in which case there is no VAT
incurred.

These are the scenarios that I can think of where there would be some kind of
proof that VAT was handled correctly. I don't really see how a seller could
compile an invoice where it says "UK" but not be able to produce any kind of
administration about where the VAT went...

There is no mentioning of OMP's in this article...? It talks about OP's
(online platforms). Confusing.
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In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
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  Ok, but so, what evidence does the seller have that their VAT obligation has
been taken care of? If they don't have the TAX ID that it's been done
with?

You are NOT the seller anymore, so you do not have to prove VAT is paid. The
OMP is liable they have to prove.
[…]
It's really very simple. The new OMP concept.

Tax/vat depend on too much variables, like country of origin, country of destionation,
new or used, etc. The OMP is liable for that all.

I get that, but again... where is the evidence? You are still a seller. You are
registered with the authorities as a business. You generate income. Where is
the evidence that you do not need to pay VAT over this income, like all other
businesses?
[…]
These are the scenarios that I can think of where there would be some kind of
proof that VAT was handled correctly. I don't really see how a seller could
compile an invoice where it says "UK" but not be able to produce any kind of
administration about where the VAT went...

There is no mentioning of OMP's in this article...? It talks about OP's
(online platforms). Confusing.

Teup is right, as sellers, you need to be able to prove to your own country’s
authorities that VAT was handled… but it’s about sales to UK, so export out of
EU, so 0% VAT.  You still need some proof but, at least, there’s no money exchanged.

Nonetheless, you’re sellers and focused on the seller side but also think about
the buyer/receiving side: How does Customs know the VAT was paid?

In the EU scheme, the out-of-EU package should bear a special VAT ID number,
provided by the marketplace.  The EU doc also says this a “secret” number the
marketplace should keep for themselves… but still it should be put on export
forms/invoices so sellers will need it and buyers will see it.
I don’t know how the UK scheme works but it should be similar: Customs need proof
the import VAT has been paid, by whom (which marketplace?), so as not to charge
it again to the (postal services that will charge it back to the) buyer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c45FtDhdDoY
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In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, patpendlego writes:
  […]
  
  
  
  Ok, but so, what evidence does the seller have that their VAT obligation has
been taken care of? If they don't have the TAX ID that it's been done
with?

You are NOT the seller anymore, so you do not have to prove VAT is paid. The
OMP is liable they have to prove.
[…]
It's really very simple. The new OMP concept.

Tax/vat depend on too much variables, like country of origin, country of destionation,
new or used, etc. The OMP is liable for that all.

I get that, but again... where is the evidence? You are still a seller. You are
registered with the authorities as a business. You generate income. Where is
the evidence that you do not need to pay VAT over this income, like all other
businesses?
[…]
These are the scenarios that I can think of where there would be some kind of
proof that VAT was handled correctly. I don't really see how a seller could
compile an invoice where it says "UK" but not be able to produce any kind of
administration about where the VAT went...

There is no mentioning of OMP's in this article...? It talks about OP's
(online platforms). Confusing.

Teup is right, as sellers, you need to be able to prove to your own country’s
authorities that VAT was handled… but it’s about sales to UK, so export out of
EU, so 0% VAT.  You still need some proof but, at least, there’s no money exchanged.

Nonetheless, you’re sellers and focused on the seller side but also think about
the buyer/receiving side: How does Customs know the VAT was paid?

In the EU scheme, the out-of-EU package should bear a special VAT ID number,
provided by the marketplace.  The EU doc also says this a “secret” number the
marketplace should keep for themselves… but still it should be put on export
forms/invoices so sellers will need it and buyers will see it.
I don’t know how the UK scheme works but it should be similar: Customs need proof
the import VAT has been paid, by whom (which marketplace?), so as not to charge
it again to the (postal services that will charge it back to the) buyer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c45FtDhdDoY

Also a good point. So in both cases, one way or the other, an authority should
*somehow* be able to tell the difference between a transaction Bricklink has
paid VAT over and a transaction where the seller and buyer failed to pay VAT.

If Bricklink won't provide evidence to the users for their administration,
then I guess they must be ready to provide it when inquired by an authority.
And we all know that Bricklink not responding isn't an entirely unlikely
scenario, so I wouldn't want to have to rely on that.

What's more, I read that in this scheme, the marketplace has to keep their
administration for 6 years. The Dutch tax agency however requires 7.. A detail
maybe, but I wouldn't want to have to pay one year's worth of VAT for
UK sales twice in case the tax agency is being really strict about all this.
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It is also currently a problem for UK buyers and hence EU (and other) sellers.
If there is a chance I will be double charged (or currently charged a fee on
import as BL still cannot collect it properly) as I cannot prove I have already
paid VAT then I don't buy. It is probably not that big a deal for BL but
on two occasions now I have placed an order on another site instead of here,
simply because I know I can pay the vat upfront and not get charged extra fees
on import.
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  So is Bricklink finally going to disclose the tax number the VAT is charged under?
If not, how does the seller have evidence that they have paid VAT over this sale?

It's in the email, not specifically how it's to be done:

   Please continue to ship parcels to the UK as you normally would. VAT and duties may be charged to the buyer. Once BrickLink is set up to handle collecting VAT from the buyer, we will provide you with the proper documentation to include with the parcel to insure that VAT is only collected once. We will let you know before implementation goes live.
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In Administrative, peregrinator writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  So is Bricklink finally going to disclose the tax number the VAT is charged under?
If not, how does the seller have evidence that they have paid VAT over this sale?

It's in the email, not specifically how it's to be done:

   Please continue to ship parcels to the UK as you normally would. VAT and duties may be charged to the buyer. Once BrickLink is set up to handle collecting VAT from the buyer, we will provide you with the proper documentation to include with the parcel to insure that VAT is only collected once. We will let you know before implementation goes live.

Exactly. BrickLink will take care of it all. We only have to ship the items,
nothing more. And get paid by BrickLink for them if BrickLink sells your items.
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In Administrative, peregrinator writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  So is Bricklink finally going to disclose the tax number the VAT is charged under?
If not, how does the seller have evidence that they have paid VAT over this sale?

It's in the email, not specifically how it's to be done:

   Please continue to ship parcels to the UK as you normally would. VAT and duties may be charged to the buyer. Once BrickLink is set up to handle collecting VAT from the buyer, we will provide you with the proper documentation to include with the parcel to insure that VAT is only collected once. We will let you know before implementation goes live.

But again, this doesn't mention anywhere what kind of evidence will be produced
that the VAT was paid. Will Bricklink send a tax number, some kind of certificate,
do it on your tax number somehow? How can you prove that VAT was paid and that
it wasn't an illegal transaction where the seller just pocketed the entire
amount of the transaction?
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"Along with the EU, we plan to implement marketplace guidelines for Norway, Australia,
and New Zealand by summer 2021. More details to come. "

Summer 2021? At least that means I've got 9 months until GST collection by
BL happens.

You know that this planet has common months, but the seasons aren't common,
don't you?
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In Administrative, melbourne_josh writes:
  "Along with the EU, we plan to implement marketplace guidelines for Norway, Australia,
and New Zealand by summer 2021. More details to come. "

Summer 2021? At least that means I've got 9 months until GST collection by BL happens.

You know that this planet has common months, but the seasons aren't common, don't you?

Yeah but that whole Earth's spin axis being tilted with respect to its orbital
plane, seems made-up to us northern hemispheric types
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In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, melbourne_josh writes:
  "Along with the EU, we plan to implement marketplace guidelines for Norway, Australia,
and New Zealand by summer 2021. More details to come. "

Summer 2021? At least that means I've got 9 months until GST collection by BL happens.

You know that this planet has common months, but the seasons aren't common, don't you?

Yeah but that whole Earth's spin axis being tilted with respect to its orbital
plane, seems made-up to us northern hemispheric types

Now just wait one gosh darn minute. With the Earth being flat and Australia obviously
being on the underside, isn't it always dark and cold there?
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In Administrative, randyf writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, melbourne_josh writes:
  "Along with the EU, we plan to implement marketplace guidelines for Norway, Australia,
and New Zealand by summer 2021. More details to come. "

Summer 2021? At least that means I've got 9 months until GST collection by BL happens.

You know that this planet has common months, but the seasons aren't common, don't you?

Yeah but that whole Earth's spin axis being tilted with respect to its orbital
plane, seems made-up to us northern hemispheric types

Now just wait one gosh darn minute. With the Earth being flat and Australia obviously
being on the underside,

Land Down Under?

  isn't it always dark and cold there?

It would explain somethings, like the Duck-billed platypus and Tasmanian devil
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In Administrative, randyf writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, melbourne_josh writes:
  "Along with the EU, we plan to implement marketplace guidelines for Norway, Australia,
and New Zealand by summer 2021. More details to come. "

Summer 2021? At least that means I've got 9 months until GST collection by BL happens.

You know that this planet has common months, but the seasons aren't common, don't you?

Yeah but that whole Earth's spin axis being tilted with respect to its orbital
plane, seems made-up to us northern hemispheric types

Now just wait one gosh darn minute. With the Earth being flat and Australia obviously
being on the underside, isn't it always dark and cold there?

No one really knows as no one actually lives there because they are upside-down
so they just fall off the planet into space. Everything else is just fake news
and conspiracy theories.
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

Just lurking...

I sure am glad that shipping to the UK from Canada is too expensive for most
buyers.

Data received... and... purged.
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Thanks for the info Russell.
I did not receive the email though.



In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

We have pulled together a statement about our Brexit tax solution, and an email
went out just a few minutes ago covering the major points. I have pasted in a
screenshot of the message below.

We also have a page with a few FAQs:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511

If you have further questions, please post them in this thread and we will update
the FAQs as needed.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
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In Administrative, atkk writes:
  Thanks for the info Russell.
I did not receive the email though.

Thanks for the info. We know many of these go into junk folders or maybe don't
even arrive. Would you or others find it useful to have a bulletin board page
somewhere on the site where all site communication could be accessed and downloaded?

Another solution may be to send a link for important content through the BrickLink
messaging system, so that at least all users who log on would be notified.
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, atkk writes:
  Thanks for the info Russell.
I did not receive the email though.

Same.

  Thanks for the info. We know many of these go into junk folders or maybe don't
even arrive. Would you or others find it useful to have a bulletin board page
somewhere on the site where all site communication could be accessed and downloaded?

Yes!

  Another solution may be to send a link for important content through the BrickLink
messaging system, so that at least all users who log on would be notified.

Yes!
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, atkk writes:
  Thanks for the info Russell.
I did not receive the email though.

Thanks for the info. We know many of these go into junk folders or maybe don't
even arrive. Would you or others find it useful to have a bulletin board page
somewhere on the site where all site communication could be accessed and downloaded?

Another solution may be to send a link for important content through the BrickLink
messaging system, so that at least all users who log on would be notified.

Mine also did not arrive. I checked my spam folder and it was not there either.
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In Administrative, paulvdb writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, atkk writes:
  Thanks for the info Russell.
I did not receive the email though.

Thanks for the info. We know many of these go into junk folders or maybe don't
even arrive. Would you or others find it useful to have a bulletin board page
somewhere on the site where all site communication could be accessed and downloaded?

Another solution may be to send a link for important content through the BrickLink
messaging system, so that at least all users who log on would be notified.

Mine also did not arrive. I checked my spam folder and it was not there either.

After how many uses of the “Bricklink’s email did not arrive/send” excuse should
BL get away with before they change their email service provider/software?

The reason no one has seller verification on time is always “your docs didn’t
arrive”, no record of emails to support can ever be found and now no one has
received a mass email send from BL.

Just something else that doesn’t work I guess.
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When will you start collecting VAT? This notice doesn't say. It should have
started three months ago now, like other sites managed.
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Some items sold on BrickLink are zero-rated for VAT in the UK: books, magazines,
leaflets (ie, instructions), brochures (ie, catalogs).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-of-vat-on-different-goods-and-services#printing-postage-publications--books-magazines-and-newspapers


Is this being taken into account?
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In Administrative, anathema writes:
  Some items sold on BrickLink are zero-rated for VAT in the UK: books, magazines,
leaflets (ie, instructions), brochures (ie, catalogs).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-of-vat-on-different-goods-and-services#printing-postage-publications--books-magazines-and-newspapers


Is this being taken into account?

Did you/they check if instructions count as such? I just know that in the NL,
books do not qualify for lower VAT rate when they are instruction manuals.
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, anathema writes:
  Some items sold on BrickLink are zero-rated for VAT in the UK: books, magazines,
leaflets (ie, instructions), brochures (ie, catalogs).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-of-vat-on-different-goods-and-services#printing-postage-publications--books-magazines-and-newspapers


Is this being taken into account?

Did you/they check if instructions count as such? I just know that in the NL,
books do not qualify for lower VAT rate when they are instruction manuals.

So far as I know they do, as I've imported them without issues many times
in the past.
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  This is a post mostly for sellers, but there are some tidbits also for buyers
and maybe even a few lurkers.

We have pulled together a statement about our Brexit tax solution, and an email
went out just a few minutes ago covering the major points. I have pasted in a
screenshot of the message below.

We also have a page with a few FAQs:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2511

If you have further questions, please post them in this thread and we will update
the FAQs as needed.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Thanks for the update. Please clarify the non import/export transactions especially
from the UK side. UK seller and UK buyer located in UK.

Will you also introduce the same methodolgy as the USA e.g. store does not ship
to me for stors that are not alloowed to ship e.g. no onsite payment method?

You promised to invewstigate other pay ment methods when the USA sales tax feature
was lauched but nothing has happened there - is that likely to be the same for
the VAT feature.