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 Author: Brickitty View Messages Posted By Brickitty
 Posted: Mar 19, 2021 14:50
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Hey catmins --

I believe part 53588pb01 never came in Dark Gray, and only exists in Dark Bluish
Gray. Evidence:

1) All 4 sets where it's listed as Dark Gray were from 2006, after production
ceased on Dark Gray, and none of those sets have another Dark Gray piece whilst
3 of them feature multiple other parts in Dark Bluish Gray.

2) I recently parted out a bulk lot of mostly Bionicle sets, which featured 8892,
8893, and 8894. Most of the parts from those sets were present (including the
rare and expensive Dark Blue pieces from 8893, yay), including exactly 5 of 53588pb01
as expected from those sets. All 5 parts look Dark Bluish Gray to me, although
the marbling and non-ABS plastic make it a bit harder to tell.

3) The parts I have from 8892, 8893, and 8894 match the copy of 53588pb01 that
came sealed in my copy of 7739.

4) I tried to order multiple copies of this part in Dark Gray, but they all arrived
matching the Dark Bluish Gray copies.

5) The part isn't made from ABS but from a softer plastic, and slight color
variation from the regular shade of a color is known to occur with different
plastics.

IMO, when the original inventories of the 4 2006 Bionicle sets were made, the
submitter mistook the color for Dark Gray. Given the evidence listed above, especially
given how all the rest of the dark gray-ish pieces in those sets are known to
be Dark Bluish Gray, I ask that the color be changed to Dark Bluish Gray for
the 4 Bionicle sets. I can make the requests myself if others agree.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Mar 19, 2021 16:50
 Subject: Re: Part 53588pb01
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I agree with you. I don't see how a piece made in 2006 after the color switch
happened would have been made with a dark gray plastic. They would have been
using something that was color-matched to dark bluish gray. I bet the color discrepancy
comes from the effects of all of the other colors that are marbled into it.


In Catalog Requests, Brickitty writes:
  Hey catmins --

I believe part 53588pb01 never came in Dark Gray, and only exists in Dark Bluish
Gray. Evidence:

1) All 4 sets where it's listed as Dark Gray were from 2006, after production
ceased on Dark Gray, and none of those sets have another Dark Gray piece whilst
3 of them feature multiple other parts in Dark Bluish Gray.

2) I recently parted out a bulk lot of mostly Bionicle sets, which featured 8892,
8893, and 8894. Most of the parts from those sets were present (including the
rare and expensive Dark Blue pieces from 8893, yay), including exactly 5 of 53588pb01
as expected from those sets. All 5 parts look Dark Bluish Gray to me, although
the marbling and non-ABS plastic make it a bit harder to tell.

3) The parts I have from 8892, 8893, and 8894 match the copy of 53588pb01 that
came sealed in my copy of 7739.

4) I tried to order multiple copies of this part in Dark Gray, but they all arrived
matching the Dark Bluish Gray copies.

5) The part isn't made from ABS but from a softer plastic, and slight color
variation from the regular shade of a color is known to occur with different
plastics.

IMO, when the original inventories of the 4 2006 Bionicle sets were made, the
submitter mistook the color for Dark Gray. Given the evidence listed above, especially
given how all the rest of the dark gray-ish pieces in those sets are known to
be Dark Bluish Gray, I ask that the color be changed to Dark Bluish Gray for
the 4 Bionicle sets. I can make the requests myself if others agree.
 Author: BricksThatStick View Messages Posted By BricksThatStick
 Posted: Mar 19, 2021 17:32
 Subject: Re: Part 53588pb01
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  I agree with you. I don't see how a piece made in 2006 after the color switch
happened would have been made with a dark gray plastic. They would have been
using something that was color-matched to dark bluish gray. I bet the color discrepancy
comes from the effects of all of the other colors that are marbled into it.


In Catalog Requests, Brickitty writes:
  Hey catmins --

I believe part 53588pb01 never came in Dark Gray, and only exists in Dark Bluish
Gray. Evidence:

1) All 4 sets where it's listed as Dark Gray were from 2006, after production
ceased on Dark Gray, and none of those sets have another Dark Gray piece whilst
3 of them feature multiple other parts in Dark Bluish Gray.

2) I recently parted out a bulk lot of mostly Bionicle sets, which featured 8892,
8893, and 8894. Most of the parts from those sets were present (including the
rare and expensive Dark Blue pieces from 8893, yay), including exactly 5 of 53588pb01
as expected from those sets. All 5 parts look Dark Bluish Gray to me, although
the marbling and non-ABS plastic make it a bit harder to tell.

3) The parts I have from 8892, 8893, and 8894 match the copy of 53588pb01 that
came sealed in my copy of 7739.

4) I tried to order multiple copies of this part in Dark Gray, but they all arrived
matching the Dark Bluish Gray copies.

5) The part isn't made from ABS but from a softer plastic, and slight color
variation from the regular shade of a color is known to occur with different
plastics.

IMO, when the original inventories of the 4 2006 Bionicle sets were made, the
submitter mistook the color for Dark Gray. Given the evidence listed above, especially
given how all the rest of the dark gray-ish pieces in those sets are known to
be Dark Bluish Gray, I ask that the color be changed to Dark Bluish Gray for
the 4 Bionicle sets. I can make the requests myself if others agree.

There were a few images in this older discussion:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=244205&nID=1114586

...but the below images are my ones for comparison.

First 2 with a Dark Bluish Gray plate. Second 2 with an old Dark Gray plate.
 






 Author: BricksThatStick View Messages Posted By BricksThatStick
 Posted: Mar 19, 2021 17:51
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In Catalog Requests, BricksThatStick writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  I agree with you. I don't see how a piece made in 2006 after the color switch
happened would have been made with a dark gray plastic. They would have been
using something that was color-matched to dark bluish gray. I bet the color discrepancy
comes from the effects of all of the other colors that are marbled into it.


In Catalog Requests, Brickitty writes:
  Hey catmins --

I believe part 53588pb01 never came in Dark Gray, and only exists in Dark Bluish
Gray. Evidence:

1) All 4 sets where it's listed as Dark Gray were from 2006, after production
ceased on Dark Gray, and none of those sets have another Dark Gray piece whilst
3 of them feature multiple other parts in Dark Bluish Gray.

2) I recently parted out a bulk lot of mostly Bionicle sets, which featured 8892,
8893, and 8894. Most of the parts from those sets were present (including the
rare and expensive Dark Blue pieces from 8893, yay), including exactly 5 of 53588pb01
as expected from those sets. All 5 parts look Dark Bluish Gray to me, although
the marbling and non-ABS plastic make it a bit harder to tell.

3) The parts I have from 8892, 8893, and 8894 match the copy of 53588pb01 that
came sealed in my copy of 7739.

4) I tried to order multiple copies of this part in Dark Gray, but they all arrived
matching the Dark Bluish Gray copies.

5) The part isn't made from ABS but from a softer plastic, and slight color
variation from the regular shade of a color is known to occur with different
plastics.

IMO, when the original inventories of the 4 2006 Bionicle sets were made, the
submitter mistook the color for Dark Gray. Given the evidence listed above, especially
given how all the rest of the dark gray-ish pieces in those sets are known to
be Dark Bluish Gray, I ask that the color be changed to Dark Bluish Gray for
the 4 Bionicle sets. I can make the requests myself if others agree.

There were a few images in this older discussion:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=244205&nID=1114586

...but the below images are my ones for comparison.

First 2 with a Dark Bluish Gray plate. Second 2 with an old Dark Gray plate.

Well they are clearly not in the order I said they were

First and last - Old Dark Gray
Middle 2 - Dark Bluish Gray
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Mar 19, 2021 17:53
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In Catalog Requests, BricksThatStick writes:
  ...but the below images are my ones for comparison.

Well, I think that puts a nail in that coffin.

Now I am really interested in seeing images from the OP.
 Author: Brickitty View Messages Posted By Brickitty
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, BricksThatStick writes:
  ...but the below images are my ones for comparison.

Well, I think that puts a nail in that coffin.

Now I am really interested in seeing images from the OP.

Thanks so much for those pictures, BricksThatStick!

I'm not sure whether it's the lighting for BricksThatStick's pictures
or not, but they look a little closer to Dark Gray than mine do. Mine look more
like they're in the middle between the two colors. I have 5 copies of the
part right now, since I sold a few awhile back, but at least 3 of these are from
that Bionicle lot. The bottom piece is from my copy of 7739, which was a sealed
copy.

And then there's more to the puzzle. If you look at Lego.com's inventories
for the sets, they use the same element number -- 4288824 -- for all
5 sets. Doesn't that mean that they consider it to be the same color in the
2006 Bionicle sets and the 2008 Coast Guard set? Which would mean that either
Lego are wrong, or Lego produced a version of Dark Gray until 2008 or 2009, or
the pieces are actually using what's supposed to be Dark Bluish Gray, and
the problem is that the soft plastic makes the shade look closer to Dark Gray.
 








 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Mar 20, 2021 00:33
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In Catalog Requests, Brickitty writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, BricksThatStick writes:
  ...but the below images are my ones for comparison.

Well, I think that puts a nail in that coffin.

Now I am really interested in seeing images from the OP.

Thanks so much for those pictures, BricksThatStick!

I'm not sure whether it's the lighting for BricksThatStick's pictures
or not, but they look a little closer to Dark Gray than mine do. Mine look more
like they're in the middle between the two colors. I have 5 copies of the
part right now, since I sold a few awhile back, but at least 3 of these are from
that Bionicle lot. The bottom piece is from my copy of 7739, which was a sealed
copy.

And then there's more to the puzzle. If you look at Lego.com's inventories
for the sets, they use the same element number -- 4288824 -- for all
5 sets. Doesn't that mean that they consider it to be the same color in the
2006 Bionicle sets and the 2008 Coast Guard set? Which would mean that either
Lego are wrong, or Lego produced a version of Dark Gray until 2008 or 2009, or
the pieces are actually using what's supposed to be Dark Bluish Gray, and
the problem is that the soft plastic makes the shade look closer to Dark Gray.


The biggest problem is that these parts are a swirly mess of many colors: some
kind of dark gray, some kind of light gray (or probably white), maybe some black,
some kind of red color, etc.

Having seen very nice images from three different sources now, I would have a
hard time describing any of these parts as dark gray or dark bluish gray.
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: Mar 20, 2021 05:26
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Brickitty writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, BricksThatStick writes:
  ...but the below images are my ones for comparison.

Well, I think that puts a nail in that coffin.

Now I am really interested in seeing images from the OP.

Thanks so much for those pictures, BricksThatStick!

I'm not sure whether it's the lighting for BricksThatStick's pictures
or not, but they look a little closer to Dark Gray than mine do. Mine look more
like they're in the middle between the two colors. I have 5 copies of the
part right now, since I sold a few awhile back, but at least 3 of these are from
that Bionicle lot. The bottom piece is from my copy of 7739, which was a sealed
copy.

And then there's more to the puzzle. If you look at Lego.com's inventories
for the sets, they use the same element number -- 4288824 -- for all
5 sets. Doesn't that mean that they consider it to be the same color in the
2006 Bionicle sets and the 2008 Coast Guard set? Which would mean that either
Lego are wrong, or Lego produced a version of Dark Gray until 2008 or 2009, or
the pieces are actually using what's supposed to be Dark Bluish Gray, and
the problem is that the soft plastic makes the shade look closer to Dark Gray.


The biggest problem is that these parts are a swirly mess of many colors: some
kind of dark gray, some kind of light gray (or probably white), maybe some black,
some kind of red color, etc.

Having seen very nice images from three different sources now, I would have a
hard time describing any of these parts as dark gray or dark bluish gray.

True, then maybe just merge those two xref colors to N/A and put something like
mix of grays in the title?
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In Catalog Requests, Stellar writes:

  
  The biggest problem is that these parts are a swirly mess of many colors: some
kind of dark gray, some kind of light gray (or probably white), maybe some black,
some kind of red color, etc.

Having seen very nice images from three different sources now, I would have a
hard time describing any of these parts as dark gray or dark bluish gray.

True, then maybe just merge those two xref colors to N/A and put something like
mix of grays in the title?

We are trying to move away from N/A for most things since sellers like to list
parts under colors much more than not and buyers expect to buy under colors.
Also, from all of the images that I have seen, some look like they were made
with Dark Gray and some look like they were made with Dark Bluish Gray. At this
point, I think the best thing to do would be to just add alternates to all of
the inventories so that both colors exist in all of them.