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| | | Author: | infinibrix  | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:04 | | Subject: | Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 480 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
However one thing that has always jarred me somewhat is the use of the term ‘Bluish’
to describe the greys when I’m sure if it was’nt for the need to fit around the
older existing greys already in the catalog both would have no doubt just been
given the simple description Dark/Light Grey instead of Dark/Light Bluish Grey?
The thing is the way I see it Bricklink uses its own colour names for three main
reasons:-
A) Lego never provided a colour name for them to use (at least not in the early
days!)
B) They wanted their colour names to better describe and match the actual shade
of colour!
C) They wanted their colour names to be short and to the point!
However when it comes to those last two points colours like ‘Dark Bluish Grey’
and ‘Light Bluish Grey’ both fail to meet that ideal objective compared to most
of the other colour names that have been created by Bricklink. Both descriptions
are lengthy and somewhat misleading? If anything I see more ‘Bluish Grey’ in
a colour like Sand blue than either of these two greys and when all said and
done they are basically just Light and Dark Grey?
So what does it matter and what to do?
Well because they are both what I would call very common CORE central colours
in Legos colour palette it stands to reason that we should perhaps think about
giving them the most suitably descriptive name for them (Light and Dark grey?)
after all that is what any newbie or anyone else for that matter would define
them as?
Both of these colours are ‘very current’ where as the discontinued greys are
not so current and therefore probably don’t warrant the need for the best descriptive
name for them any longer? In fact if we were to rename the existing Light and
Dark Grey as ‘Old Light Grey’ or ‘Classic Light Grey’ I think this would also
be very helpful to newbies when they are confronted with so many different shades
of grey?
I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?
Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:15 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
However one thing that has always jarred me somewhat is the use of the term ‘Bluish’
to describe the greys when I’m sure if it was’nt for the need to fit around the
older existing greys already in the catalog both would have no doubt just been
given the simple description Dark/Light Grey instead of Dark/Light Bluish Grey?
The thing is the way I see it Bricklink uses its own colour names for three main
reasons:-
A) Lego never provided a colour name for them to use (at least not in the early
days!)
B) They wanted their colour names to better describe and match the actual shade
of colour!
C) They wanted their colour names to be short and to the point!
However when it comes to those last two points colours like ‘Dark Bluish Grey’
and ‘Light Bluish Grey’ both fail to meet that ideal objective compared to most
of the other colour names that have been created by Bricklink. Both descriptions
are lengthy and somewhat misleading? If anything I see more ‘Bluish Grey’ in
a colour like Sand blue than either of these two greys and when all said and
done they are basically just Light and Dark Grey?
So what does it matter and what to do?
Well because they are both what I would call very common CORE central colours
in Legos colour palette it stands to reason that we should perhaps think about
giving them the most suitably descriptive name for them (Light and Dark grey?)
after all that is what any newbie or anyone else for that matter would define
them as?
Both of these colours are ‘very current’ where as the discontinued greys are
not so current and therefore probably don’t warrant the need for the best descriptive
name for them any longer? In fact if we were to rename the existing Light and
Dark Grey as ‘Old Light Grey’ or ‘Classic Light Grey’ I think this would also
be very helpful to newbies when they are confronted with so many different shades
of grey?
I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?
Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:19 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
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Not really because most people when they come to look for the most common current
bluish grey colours will wonder where they have gone and soon realise they are
now jsut Light/dark grey especially if the old ones have been repalced with 'Old
Light/Dark Grey'
Besides if we can change the colour of Light Flesh to Light Nougat and the like
which is used on many themed minifigure heads I'm sure people will adjust
very quickly!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:27 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
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Not really because most people when they come to look for the most common current
bluish grey colours will wonder where they have gone and soon realise they are
now jsut Light/dark grey especially if the old ones have been repalced with 'Old
Light/Dark Grey'
Besides if we can change the colour of Light Flesh to Light Nougat and the like
which is used on many themed minifigure heads I'm sure people will adjust
very quickly!
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Also just to add that I don't think Lego are about to change these core grey
colours any time soon if ever at all? (They may expand of the greys perhaps?)
therefore its a small price/change to make now for something that will make more
sense for later on in the future. I mean do we really want to be refering to
greys as blusih grey 20 or 30 years down the road just to cater for some old
grey colours that are long since discontinued and becoming rarer and rarer?
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| | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:21 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Aren't the official names for Light Bluish Gray and Dark Bluish Gray, Medium
Stone Grey and Dark Stone Grey respectively?
In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
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| | | | | | | Author: | tpr | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:24 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
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But it could be possible.
You could change Lt Grey etc to "Classic" or "Old" immediately and you could
give a notice period of when bluish grey would change to the existing Lt Grey
etc - during which time members and new members would get used to the Classic
colours
tpr
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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
However one thing that has always jarred me somewhat is the use of the term ‘Bluish’
to describe the greys when I’m sure if it was’nt for the need to fit around the
older existing greys already in the catalog both would have no doubt just been
given the simple description Dark/Light Grey instead of Dark/Light Bluish Grey?
The thing is the way I see it Bricklink uses its own colour names for three main
reasons:-
A) Lego never provided a colour name for them to use (at least not in the early
days!)
B) They wanted their colour names to better describe and match the actual shade
of colour!
C) They wanted their colour names to be short and to the point!
However when it comes to those last two points colours like ‘Dark Bluish Grey’
and ‘Light Bluish Grey’ both fail to meet that ideal objective compared to most
of the other colour names that have been created by Bricklink. Both descriptions
are lengthy and somewhat misleading? If anything I see more ‘Bluish Grey’ in
a colour like Sand blue than either of these two greys and when all said and
done they are basically just Light and Dark Grey?
So what does it matter and what to do?
Well because they are both what I would call very common CORE central colours
in Legos colour palette it stands to reason that we should perhaps think about
giving them the most suitably descriptive name for them (Light and Dark grey?)
after all that is what any newbie or anyone else for that matter would define
them as?
Both of these colours are ‘very current’ where as the discontinued greys are
not so current and therefore probably don’t warrant the need for the best descriptive
name for them any longer? In fact if we were to rename the existing Light and
Dark Grey as ‘Old Light Grey’ or ‘Classic Light Grey’ I think this would also
be very helpful to newbies when they are confronted with so many different shades
of grey?
I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?
Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:56 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tpr writes:
| | In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
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But it could be possible.
You could change Lt Grey etc to "Classic" or "Old" immediately and you could
give a notice period of when bluish grey would change to the existing Lt Grey
etc - during which time members and new members would get used to the Classic
colours
tpr
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+1
Yes making the changes to the Old greys first would be a very good idea even
if that means Bricklink hold off changing bluish grey for quite a few months
At least it would feel like we're moving in the right direction in terms
of names that truly reflect the correct colours....
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:38 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| And this is exactly why I think we should add "old" or "classic" in front or
the non-reddish/bluish ones as fast as possible.
Then we can always decide later on (when it no longer causes confusion) whether
or not to change "Light bluish gray" to "Light gray".
In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
However one thing that has always jarred me somewhat is the use of the term ‘Bluish’
to describe the greys when I’m sure if it was’nt for the need to fit around the
older existing greys already in the catalog both would have no doubt just been
given the simple description Dark/Light Grey instead of Dark/Light Bluish Grey?
The thing is the way I see it Bricklink uses its own colour names for three main
reasons:-
A) Lego never provided a colour name for them to use (at least not in the early
days!)
B) They wanted their colour names to better describe and match the actual shade
of colour!
C) They wanted their colour names to be short and to the point!
However when it comes to those last two points colours like ‘Dark Bluish Grey’
and ‘Light Bluish Grey’ both fail to meet that ideal objective compared to most
of the other colour names that have been created by Bricklink. Both descriptions
are lengthy and somewhat misleading? If anything I see more ‘Bluish Grey’ in
a colour like Sand blue than either of these two greys and when all said and
done they are basically just Light and Dark Grey?
So what does it matter and what to do?
Well because they are both what I would call very common CORE central colours
in Legos colour palette it stands to reason that we should perhaps think about
giving them the most suitably descriptive name for them (Light and Dark grey?)
after all that is what any newbie or anyone else for that matter would define
them as?
Both of these colours are ‘very current’ where as the discontinued greys are
not so current and therefore probably don’t warrant the need for the best descriptive
name for them any longer? In fact if we were to rename the existing Light and
Dark Grey as ‘Old Light Grey’ or ‘Classic Light Grey’ I think this would also
be very helpful to newbies when they are confronted with so many different shades
of grey?
I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?
Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | And this is exactly why I think we should add "old" or "classic" in front or
the non-reddish/bluish ones as fast as possible.
Then we can always decide later on (when it no longer causes confusion) whether
or not to change "Light bluish gray" to "Light gray".
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Yes I think it is still helpful to mark those as old/classic even if no change
it to be made to the newer exisiting colours
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| | | | | Author: | psusaxman2000 | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:23 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
However one thing that has always jarred me somewhat is the use of the term ‘Bluish’
to describe the greys when I’m sure if it was’nt for the need to fit around the
older existing greys already in the catalog both would have no doubt just been
given the simple description Dark/Light Grey instead of Dark/Light Bluish Grey?
The thing is the way I see it Bricklink uses its own colour names for three main
reasons:-
A) Lego never provided a colour name for them to use (at least not in the early
days!)
B) They wanted their colour names to better describe and match the actual shade
of colour!
C) They wanted their colour names to be short and to the point!
However when it comes to those last two points colours like ‘Dark Bluish Grey’
and ‘Light Bluish Grey’ both fail to meet that ideal objective compared to most
of the other colour names that have been created by Bricklink. Both descriptions
are lengthy and somewhat misleading? If anything I see more ‘Bluish Grey’ in
a colour like Sand blue than either of these two greys and when all said and
done they are basically just Light and Dark Grey?
So what does it matter and what to do?
Well because they are both what I would call very common CORE central colours
in Legos colour palette it stands to reason that we should perhaps think about
giving them the most suitably descriptive name for them (Light and Dark grey?)
after all that is what any newbie or anyone else for that matter would define
them as?
Both of these colours are ‘very current’ where as the discontinued greys are
not so current and therefore probably don’t warrant the need for the best descriptive
name for them any longer? In fact if we were to rename the existing Light and
Dark Grey as ‘Old Light Grey’ or ‘Classic Light Grey’ I think this would also
be very helpful to newbies when they are confronted with so many different shades
of grey?
I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?
Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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I understand your point about the names being long or drawn out, but I don't
agree with your point on sand blue. From a color spectrum perspective, the six
core primary and secondary colors are traditional used for shading. As everyone
know naming colors from there become part of the problem as each industry or
supplier calls things different names based on real world objects. Even BL has
"Olive" or "Coral" that fit this mark.
When it comes to shading though, I've always been of the understand that
it's similar to a compass reading. West (W), South West (SW), West South
West (WSW). When you reference the sand blue or LBG, the predominant color becomes
the final work so sand blue by shading would become Grayish Blue.
Then you get to the Medium Violet range when has multiple shade in as single
name as I just came to find out while building my color palette. I accidentally
ordered a 3001 from two different stores and received two different shades which
I found our were color id 112 and 219.
https://rebrickable.com/forum/index.php?/topic/3565-2-different-medium-violet-colors/
While I understand the need for standards (health care worker), if the industry
doesn't adopt one that already exists from the start, they are usually bound
to the one they create and BL seems to fall into the secondary making it much
harder to change as the years progress.
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:44 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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I understand your point about the names being long or drawn out, but I don't
agree with your point on sand blue.
When it comes to shading though, I've always been of the understand that
it's similar to a compass reading. so sand blue by shading would become Grayish Blue.
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Okay by I think your side stepping away from my main point which is not so much
about how Sand Blue is named (I have no problem with the name) but what we call
Light/Dark Bluish grey?
That said I do still see more of both grey and blue in Sand Blue whereas for
the other colours I only really see Light and Dark grey
I remember when I first joined this site looking for the Stone greys I just thought
oh wait they must just be called Light/Dark grey, no wait Blusih grey?? What
the hell? 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | psusaxman2000 | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:06 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
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I understand your point about the names being long or drawn out, but I don't
agree with your point on sand blue.
When it comes to shading though, I've always been of the understand that
it's similar to a compass reading. so sand blue by shading would become Grayish Blue.
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Okay by I think your side stepping away from my main point which is not so much
about how Sand Blue is named (I have no problem with the name) but what we call
Light/Dark Bluish grey?
That said I do still see more of both grey and blue in Sand Blue whereas for
the other colours I only really see Light and Dark grey
I remember when I first joined this site looking for the Stone greys I just thought
oh wait they must just be called Light/Dark grey, no wait Blusih grey?? What
the hell?
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At what interval does something become "old"? For any individual that is part
of a community, a color palette is easier to remember and while shading is not
usually beneficial, it can make it easier. I agree with your point that they
could easily be a new gray down the road at some point, but is the fact that
there are two and one is more "bluish" really an issue, or just because it's
a longer name?
There are other colors in the palette that have longer names too like Bright
Light Orange or Blue and some of the Trans parts inherently are long. I'm
not saying your point is at all invalid but is it worth the effort is all. (I
hate when my job brain interferes with my hobby brain)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:34 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
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I understand your point about the names being long or drawn out, but I don't
agree with your point on sand blue.
When it comes to shading though, I've always been of the understand that
it's similar to a compass reading. so sand blue by shading would become Grayish Blue.
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Okay by I think your side stepping away from my main point which is not so much
about how Sand Blue is named (I have no problem with the name) but what we call
Light/Dark Bluish grey?
That said I do still see more of both grey and blue in Sand Blue whereas for
the other colours I only really see Light and Dark grey
I remember when I first joined this site looking for the Stone greys I just thought
oh wait they must just be called Light/Dark grey, no wait Blusih grey?? What
the hell?
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At what interval does something become "old"?
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At the point it just becomes inherently obvious that Lego has moved away from
the production of a main shade of a colour in prefernce for a new shade of colour.
Brow along with Light and dark gey I think everyone would consider old colours
that have fallen out of favour by the Lego Group.
It does'nt mean I think an obscure colour that Lego has'nt release for
a few years should also be considered old/discontinued but maybe the use of the
term 'Classic' to get around these concerns? though I prefer to reference
them 'old' myself
| | I agree with your point that they could easily be a new gray down the road at some point,
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To be honest I think any new shade of grey that Lego create will only be to accompany
the exisitng Light/Dark grey rather than to replace them hence why I feel these
greys will remain the current staple greys for many years to come hence whi I
feel they deserve the proper accurate title of Light/Dark grey.
| | but is the fact that there are two and one is more "bluish" really an issue, or just because it's a longer name?
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I don't think either of them warrant the term Bluish because bluish puts
the idea into someones head that the colour is a bluey grey type colour not disimilar
to how I see sand blue
| | There are other colors in the palette that have longer names too like Bright
Light Orange or Blue and some of the Trans parts inherently are long. I'm
not saying your point is at all invalid but is it worth the effort is all.
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Yes but my thinking is for the CORE colours which I consider both these greys
to be it makes sense to stick to the basics i.e Light Grey, Dark Grey, Blue,
Dark Blue and only then should we feel it necessary to get elaborate with the
colour names. If you give the basis core colours the basic standard names people
will understand these to be the standard core colours within the vast colour
pallete
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | psusaxman2000 | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 11:23 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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At the point it just becomes inherently obvious that Lego has moved away from
the production of a main shade of a colour in prefernce for a new shade of colour.
Brow along with Light and dark gey I think everyone would consider old colours
that have fallen out of favour by the Lego Group.
It does'nt mean I think an obscure colour that Lego has'nt release for
a few years should also be considered old/discontinued but maybe the use of the
term 'Classic' to get around these concerns? though I prefer to reference
them 'old' myself
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Point taken.
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| | I agree with your point that they could easily be a new gray down the road at some point,
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To be honest I think any new shade of grey that Lego create will only be to accompany
the exisitng Light/Dark grey rather than to replace them hence why I feel these
greys will remain the current staple greys for many years to come hence whi I
feel they deserve the proper accurate title of Light/Dark grey.
| | but is the fact that there are two and one is more "bluish" really an issue, or just because it's a longer name?
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So if we were to rename the existing LG and LBG (in the future), how do you work
the compliment colors for these that were create for a short time of Very Light
Gray and Very Light Bluish Gray? If we are to stay constant, do we then rename
these as well to Very "Classic or Old" Gray?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 12:49 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
| | So if we were to rename the existing LG and LBG (in the future), how do you work
the compliment colors for these that were create for a short time of Very Light
Gray and Very Light Bluish Gray? If we are to stay constant, do we then rename
these as well to Very "Classic or Old" Gray?
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'Very Light Grey' becomes 'Old Very Light Grey'
'Very Light Bluish Grey' becomes 'Very Light Grey'
But as per my original post I also made the suggestion to replace 'Very Light'
with 'Pale'
so they would be 'Old Pale Grey' and 'Pale Grey'
Colour shades would go from Light to Dark as:-
Pale
Light
Medium (or just the simple colour)
Dark
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:47 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
| | At what interval does something become "old"?
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When it reasonably seems retired. It is one thing that some colors sometimes
drop out of production. After some years Dark Turquoise came back. Purple could,
I think. Violet could.
But Light Gray, Dark Gray, Pink, and Brown were immediately replaced with new
colors intended to act as the same color. They are very unlikely to bring those
colors back.
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:32 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
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Though I personally like TLG's more Shakespearean over Webster approach to
naming their color families, the terminology can be ambiguous or simply misleading.
Just to pick a few…
Brick Yellow for Tan
Earth Blue for Dark Blue and Earth Green for Dark Green
And what is “New” Dark Red?
Not exactly helpful descriptors to the casual Lego fan 
I go back n'forth on this color terminology question, BL or TLG
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1175620
That is to say, I see both sides. I personally appreciate the more creative
names, while knowing the more descriptive term is the practical choice for the
casual Lego consumer, which is the bulk of Lego users worldwide.
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| | | | | Author: | garbanzo | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:56 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest
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You're getting into a real gray area when you start talking color names.
Lots of opinion involved.
Personally, I think "light black" is a good option.
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| | | | | Author: | misbi | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 11:59 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
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At the very least, it would be helpful if BL and TLG names didn't directly
contradict each other. Specifically: Dark Green
Let's start with that one!
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 12:39 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, misbi writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
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At the very least, it would be helpful if BL and TLG names didn't directly
contradict each other. Specifically: Dark Green
Let's start with that one!
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Yes that one is a particular bad example though in fairness to BL I think Lego
got that one terribly wrong. To me it is the equivalent of what Lego call 'Bright
Red' and 'Bright Blue' and in truth Lego should have also called
this 'Bright Green' plus if it was'nt for the fact that these became
the main staple core colours maybe bricklink would have kept them with the Bright
tag after all they are much brighter than most of the other shades of blues green
and reds that we have since appeared!
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| | | | | Author: | maxx3001 | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 12:47 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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We can start by calling light gray and dark grey as old light grey and old dark
grey.
Then over 6 months drop the bluish from the new greys and we are done.
Easy,
Maxx
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| | | | | Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 13:09 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’
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I agree on this one. Renaming that into "OLD+Colour Name" makes sense, and discerns
the differnce between the colours even more.
You have buyers which are to new to be aware of this, and then they say. "That´s
not the correct parts... "
| | remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term?
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Don´t change, Bluish, can even be seen in the difference.
LEGO´s Colour names are the ones who are Bullshit.
How does Whatever "Stone" Shades look alike? Which stones they refer to? It is
as stupid as their "Earth Blue or Earth Green". Absolutely unintuitive. The same
that the BL-colour Green is named bright green from LEGO. How is standard Green,
Bright-Green?
| | Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
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No, leave it as is... How is very shorter then pale? There is even Light and
Bright and what not. Very is a good one, and just applies to 2 or 3 Colours.
| | Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
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As Non-Native English-speaker, is have no opinion on this.
Delivered. 
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 13:30 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Don´t change, Bluish, can even be seen in the difference.
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Yes it may look bluish in comparison to the older greys but if you present those
so called 'bluish greys' to anyone not familiar with Lego colours and
they will likey just describe them as Light Grey and Dark Grey, No? I think this
is about trying to make the site as user friendly as possible for ALL newcomers
rather than just keeping things the way they are just because the regulars already
understand these differences?
| | LEGO´s Colour names are the ones who are Bullshit.
How does Whatever "Stone" Shades look alike? Which stones they refer to? It is
as stupid as their "Earth Blue or Earth Green". Absolutely unintuitive. The same
that the BL-colour Green is named bright green from LEGO. How is standard Green,
Bright-Green?
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Standard Green is actually 'Dark Green' but either way this topic is
not actually about revertng over to Lego colours (already tried that) this is
about using descriptions that better represent the core main colours i.e Dark
Grey makes more sense to me than Dark Bluish Grey?
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No, leave it as is... How is very shorter then pale? There is even Light and
Bright and what not. Very is a good one, and just applies to 2 or 3 Colours.
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You don't think 'Pale Grey' is shorter than 'Very Light Bluish
Grey'?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:27 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Don´t change, Bluish, can even be seen in the difference.
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Yes it may look bluish in comparison to the older greys but if you present those
so called 'bluish greys' to anyone not familiar with Lego colours and
they will likey just describe them as Light Grey and Dark Grey, No?
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Yes, they will have to learn. They gotta learn how BL works as well. No Problem
here?
The Point is, while you wan´t to make it super-easy, my approach is to make it
sillyproof.
When you change LBG to Light grey, and Old light grey we end up where we started,
having gained nothing. There are buyers who don´t see the difference in Here:
Light Grey and Light BLUISH Grey. They order and later complain, because they
didn´t pay Attention in the first place.
This is why i would go the "Light Bluish Grey" and "Old light Grey" route, to
make it even more discernable. If they don´t see the difference in the names
then, they most likely don´t care about the colour as well.
| | I think this is about trying to make the site as user friendly as possible for ALL newcomers
rather than just keeping things the way they are just because the regulars already
understand these differences?
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See above, bullet-proof is more importnant than userfriendly to me. Because you´re
not the one getting send the parts back, refund, repeat all the work with the
order again, for no profit or turnover. Just avoidable work.
| | Standard Green is actually 'Dark Green' but either way this topic is
not actually about revertng over to Lego colours
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Ok, maybe i messed this one up, however, saying earthblue instead of dark blue
makes no sense to me.
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No, leave it as is... How is very shorter then pale? There is even Light and
Bright and what not. Very is a good one, and just applies to 2 or 3 Colours.
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You don't think 'Pale Grey' is shorter than 'Very Light Bluish
Grey'?
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ah, i see. i thought you would name it "pale light bluish grey". which is not
shorter than very.
I would pass here. The are 3 very colours, barely sought after.. useless work.
Also you´ll have to come up with "pale OLD light grey" (22 Parts) and "pale (-bluish,
-NEW) light grey" (50 parts) or so. Since its exactly the 2 light grey´s. That
even more confusing.
For very light orange, you have exactly ONE part, a cat:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=6251px2#T=C&C=96
Renaming those seems useless to me.
I´d rather keep that pale idea in reserve, when some new colours come up again,
which fit neither Light or Bright.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:04 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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Standard Green is actually 'Dark Green' but either way this topic is
not actually about revertng over to Lego colours
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Ok, maybe i messed this one up,
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It was the red which was the opposite, not the green. Just seen this on a blog.
Lego: Bright Red/ BL: Red .
Here is SOME more silly Lego-Colour-Names:
Sand Yellow/Dark Tan
Warm Gold/Pearl Gold
Bright Bluish Green/Dark Turquoise
Earth Blue/Dark Blue
Flame Yellowish Orange/Bright Light Orange
Bright Orange/Orange
Brick Yellow/Tan
When it comes to User-friendly, one should skip this idea already.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:26 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Here is SOME more silly Lego-Colour-Names:
Sand Yellow/Dark Tan
Warm Gold/Pearl Gold
Bright Bluish Green/Dark Turquoise
Earth Blue/Dark Blue
Flame Yellowish Orange/Bright Light Orange
Bright Orange/Orange
Brick Yellow/Tan
When it comes to User-friendly, one should skip this idea already.
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To understand user friendly you have to think like a newbie besides whilst you
may hate all those colour names at least they are official colour names
Dark Bluish Grey is certainly no better and yet its not even an official Lego
term?
I would'nt mind but I'm pretty much only talking about adjusting the
names of the greys not the entire colour pallete!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | psusaxman2000 | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:46 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Here is SOME more silly Lego-Colour-Names:
Sand Yellow/Dark Tan
Warm Gold/Pearl Gold
Bright Bluish Green/Dark Turquoise
Earth Blue/Dark Blue
Flame Yellowish Orange/Bright Light Orange
Bright Orange/Orange
Brick Yellow/Tan
When it comes to User-friendly, one should skip this idea already.
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To understand user friendly you have to think like a newbie besides whilst you
may hate all those colour names at least they are official colour names
Dark Bluish Grey is certainly no better and yet its not even an official Lego
term?
I would'nt mind but I'm pretty much only talking about adjusting the
names of the greys not the entire colour pallete!
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To your point, I do still consider myself a newbie. While I joined almost a
year ago, I'm still finding my way around here and getting familiar. That
being said, no matter if you set them to new, old, light, bright or bluish, there
is a learning curve for everyone. If you are getting into the hobby or shopping
for parts or just trying to off load your life's collection, any hobby will
have it's gotcha points. While these two colors may be the ones in question
now, the point of what to call them still would require significant work on both
maintenance and seller to adjust. Is there really that much of a need or more
of a convenience?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 18:02 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
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To your point, I do still consider myself a newbie. While I joined almost a
year ago, I'm still finding my way around here and getting familiar. That
being said, no matter if you set them to new, old, light, bright or bluish, there
is a learning curve for everyone. If you are getting into the hobby or shopping
for parts or just trying to off load your life's collection, any hobby will
have it's gotcha points. While these two colors may be the ones in question
now, the point of what to call them still would require significant work on both
maintenance and seller to adjust. Is there really that much of a need or more
of a convenience?
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To your point, why make that learning curve harder than it needs to be? A few
weeks of inconvenience are well worth the many years of convenience to be gained
besides whilst you yourself may very well take that extra time and care into
researching any colours you intend to buy or sell the same will not be for everyone
and when oversights and mistakes occur they are an inconvenince to all parties
involved wherever your the seller who just wants to sell the correct items without
having to be involved with returns/refunds or the buyer who just wants to receive
what they expected to receive?
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| | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:13 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 115 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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| | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:23 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea.
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I think it's a good idea and logical first step towards harmonization.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:39 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea.
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I think it's a good idea and logical first step towards harmonization.
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To me, this seems and absolute bad idea. Because the LEGO naems are even more
confusing than the BL-Light,Bright,Standard,Dark Varitations.
I´d rather see LEGO adopting the BL-Names, than the other way around.
But doubt they ever will.
And switching to colour codes/numbers only. Oh i don´t know. htis makes it even
worse, especially by dealing for/with noobies.
If i remind correctly, these numbers aren´t even grouped?, correct?
Meaning, you can´t say Blues are 301 to 320 from light to dark...
They are 4 ,16, 51, 86, 325, 478 or so, because of their time/year being brought
in existence.
Could somebody check this ? Admin?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 23:44 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TBS writes:
| | In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea.
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I think it's a good idea and logical first step towards harmonization.
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To me, this seems and absolute bad idea. Because the LEGO naems are even more
confusing than the BL-Light,Bright,Standard,Dark Varitations.
I´d rather see LEGO adopting the BL-Names, than the other way around.
But doubt they ever will.
And switching to colour codes/numbers only. Oh i don´t know. htis makes it even
worse, especially by dealing for/with noobies.
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I don't believe that's what is being suggested. It's the color reference
number used by fewer than use the color names, but crucial for internal use here
and over at TLG, I assume. Not removing or replacing the BL terminology for colors
(the names) rather adopting Lego’s color code (numbers) as a first step towards
harmonizing both color identification systems of BL and TLG
As I understand, it’s a move that can be done without affecting the end user
as much as changing the actual terminology, a first step.
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If i remind correctly, these numbers aren´t even grouped?, correct?
Meaning, you can´t say Blues are 301 to 320 from light to dark...
They are 4 ,16, 51, 86, 325, 478 or so, because of their time/year being brought
in existence.
Could somebody check this ? Admin?
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:29 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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Would that move the giant modulex gap out of my color chart? Does Lego use every
number sequentially?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | pikachu3 | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:36 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | Would that move the giant modulex gap out of my color chart? Does Lego use every
number sequentially?
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Yes and, more importantly, no. There are colors that have more than one number
within Lego's system. There are many colors that were given a number but
never actually used in anything other than prototypes. There are numbers which
probably have a color, but we just haven't found a reference to it yet. And
there are many, many numbers which just refer to "Multicombination" (marbled/dual-molded)
parts.
While I do like to use Lego's color numbers, they don't always work 1:1
with BrickLink colors. Some of them (like new and old Dark Pink) have two different
Lego IDs, but are impossible to tell apart IRL. Others (like all the different
coppers) have been consolidated to make things simpler for buyers/sellers, since
the parts they come in don't really have much overlap.
As for Modulex... Lego's IDs for them often overlap with normal Lego colors.
5 Brick Yellow and 5 Mx Buff are both the same tan color. Same with 11 (Mx) Pastel
Blue (maersk blue). Others have no color match, but may have conflicting IDs.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:44 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
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| | And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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Would that move the giant modulex gap out of my color chart?
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Well, in a sense it would because LEGO didn’t always give different numbers for
Modulex colours when they were the same as already existing colours (a colour
is a colour, Modulex or not)… but they also used the same numbers for different
colours (e.g. 3 is “normal” Light Yellow AND Modulex Black).
http://www.ryanhowerter.net/colors.php
| | Does Lego use every number sequentially?
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It seems LEGO used numbers sequentially as they were needed but there are unexplained
holes (no 51-79, no 92-99, etc.) and what I think are “never used colours” or
“not used yet colours” (e.g. 361 & 365, missing opal colours?).
Also that doesn’t address the many-to-one, one-to-many, many-to-many relations
between BL and LEGO colours.
And, finally, it would ruin a tonload of files that use BL’s numbering. Wanted
Lists and Inventories that use the BL numbers but also all the compatibility
databases out there.
So I’d say: not a good idea.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | psusaxman2000 | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:55 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, axaday writes:
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| | And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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Would that move the giant modulex gap out of my color chart?
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Well, in a sense it would because LEGO didn’t always give different numbers for
Modulex colours when they were the same as already existing colours (a colour
is a colour, Modulex or not)… but they also used the same numbers for different
colours (e.g. 3 is “normal” Light Yellow AND Modulex Black).
http://www.ryanhowerter.net/colors.php
| | Does Lego use every number sequentially?
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It seems LEGO used numbers sequentially as they were needed but there are unexplained
holes (no 51-79, no 92-99, etc.) and what I think are “never used colours” or
“not used yet colours” (e.g. 361 & 365, missing opal colours?).
Also that doesn’t address the many-to-one, one-to-many, many-to-many relations
between BL and LEGO colours.
And, finally, it would ruin a tonload of files that use BL’s numbering. Wanted
Lists and Inventories that use the BL numbers but also all the compatibility
databases out there.
So I’d say: not a good idea.
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Just to piggy back off of this, if you switch the ids in the back end, would
that require everyone that uses the API to upload parts to modify all that tools,
calls and what have you? I'm pretty sure that all that hash mapping in the
back end uses the id numbers currently to specify the color so this would be
a hard impact on users adding parts.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:12 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
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Just to piggy back off of this, if you switch the ids in the back end, would
that require everyone that uses the API to upload parts to modify all that tools,
calls and what have you? I'm pretty sure that all that hash mapping in the
back end uses the id numbers currently to specify the color so this would be
a hard impact on users adding parts.
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Yes, I’m about sure the BL numbers/codes are just the IDs in the database (it
would be surprising if the colours had a separate ID linking to both the “name”
and the “code,” so the “code” is the ID).
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| | | | | | | Author: | brickerking | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:14 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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LEGO colour designations and numbers were designed for manufacturing (I assume),
not collection or reselling. Bricklink designations and coding were designed
(I assume) for the collector or reseller. These are two different systems which
may not (and maybe should not) be compatable. I don't think we have to force
a square peg into a round hole.
To the OP, I also don't think light bluish gray is the biggest stumbling
block for new users. Yes, it may be a small learning curve, but certainly not
the first area I would work on to make the site more user friendly. And... it
doesn't bother me as a seller anymore.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:48 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | To the OP, I also don't think light bluish gray is the biggest stumbling
block for new users. Yes, it may be a small learning curve, but certainly not
the first area I would work on to make the site more user friendly. And... it
doesn't bother me as a seller anymore.
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You say it like there is a lot of work involved but I don't beleive this
to be the case as I've witenssed Flesh being switched to Nougat in the space
of a few moments of it being announced in the forum
I also appreciate it may not bother you one way or the other which is also fair
enough, yet the thing that really confuses me is that many people(not including
yourself) always get up in arms about not wanting to use official colours names
because they make no sense and don't match the colour descriptons correctly
and yet bluish grey is apparently a good descriptive match for two of the most
commonly used colours?
If you asked a newbie to separate all the Light Bluish Grey parts out of a haul
of mixed Lego I expect you'd come back to find a nice pile of Sand Blue bricks
waiting for you
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | GreatBuy | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:07 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | To the OP, I also don't think light bluish gray is the biggest stumbling
block for new users. Yes, it may be a small learning curve, but certainly not
the first area I would work on to make the site more user friendly. And... it
doesn't bother me as a seller anymore.
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You say it like there is a lot of work involved but I don't beleive this
to be the case as I've witenssed Flesh being switched to Nougat in the space
of a few moments of it being announced in the forum
I also appreciate it may not bother you one way or the other which is also fair
enough, yet the thing that really confuses me is that many people(not including
yourself) always get up in arms about not wanting to use official colours names
because they make no sense and don't match the colour descriptions correctly
and yet bluish grey is apparently a good descriptive match for two of the most
commonly used colours?
If you asked a newbie to separate all the Light Bluish Grey parts out of a haul
of mixed Lego I expect you'd come back to find a nice pile of Sand Blue bricks
waiting for you
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Someone made a really good point above, LEGO colours are not necessarily named
entirely for ease of identification, they're named for manufacturing without
consideration for the identification by the consumer. The reason I think BL continues
to make use of its own colour names is the purpose behind it, for secondary resale.
I think you're overthinking this, especially the change of flesh to nougat.
When Flesh was first introduced, it was used exclusively for minifigs. Overtime
parts have been unlocked in light nougat, so the name was changed because it
made sense to change it. And there is no way to eliminate the learning
curve for people learning colours. To be honest, I don't think LBG and LG
are that hard to learn as they are. Yes, people would not necessarily refer to
LBG as LBG, but the point is not that hard to get across, especially when the
BL inventory for every set for almost the last 20 years refers to LBG. The resources
are already out there.
I'm not entirely against changing the names of certain colours, but I think
it needs to make sense in order to warrant change. The way you and several others
reason it, just doesn't make me feel like this change is warranted.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:58 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, GreatBuy writes:
| | Someone made a really good point above, LEGO colours are not necessarily named
entirely for ease of identification, they're named for manufacturing without
consideration for the identification by the consumer.
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I disagree with that, people will always want a specific matching colour for
a lego build etc... and the Lego Group certainly expect customers to use those
colour name references to aid finding what they need? Have you shopped for paint
before:-
https://www.dulux.co.uk/en/colour-details#tabId=item0
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I think you're overthinking this, especially the change of flesh to nougat.
When Flesh was first introduced, it was used exclusively for minifigs. Overtime
parts have been unlocked in light nougat, so the name was changed because it
made sense to change it.
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So just because the colour flesh ends up being used on other items that are non
minifig related it means the colour flesh can no longer be used to describe this
colour any longer? I have no issue with Flesh now being called Nougat but I don't
agree that this makes it a particularly more rationale and valid reason for change
at least not for the reasons you've mentioned?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | GreatBuy | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 21:58 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, GreatBuy writes:
| | Someone made a really good point above, LEGO colours are not necessarily named
entirely for ease of identification, they're named for manufacturing without
consideration for the identification by the consumer.
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I disagree with that, people will always want a specific matching colour for
a lego build etc... and the Lego Group certainly expect customers to use those
colour name references to aid finding what they need? Have you shopped for paint
before:-
https://www.dulux.co.uk/en/colour-details#tabId=item0
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I think you're overthinking this, especially the change of flesh to nougat.
When Flesh was first introduced, it was used exclusively for minifigs. Overtime
parts have been unlocked in light nougat, so the name was changed because it
made sense to change it.
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So just because the colour flesh ends up being used on other items that are non
minifig related it means the colour flesh can no longer be used to describe this
colour any longer? I have no issue with Flesh now being called Nougat but I don't
agree that this makes it a particularly more rationale and valid reason for change
at least not for the reasons you've mentioned?
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LEGO colours are not nearly as varied as paint colours. The point I was trying
to make was that BL named its colours to cater to the secondary market, not to
be tied down to exactly waht LEGO designates them to be. Would it be easier for
them to be the same? Yes, but I don't think everything here has to line up
with what LEGO does because LEGO may not be doing something in the best way for
all situations. Our ability to designate things independent of LEGO is important
to withhold. I get that you're not asking for a complete overhaul, but it
really isn't that difficult to access resources to avoid this. A quick google
will bring up a colour guide that anyone can find. In my opinion, LEGO's
colour palette is way more confusing than ours. I've seen videos with LEGO's
own employees referring to colours by the community given names, including DBG
and LBG.
A colour name shouldn't be tied to its purpose, hence why flesh was changed.
It wasn't changed because people were confusing colors, and it was not a
painless change. It has no relevance here.
To offer my opinion, the change you propose is likely not to happen yet. There
just isn't a good enough reason that I can get behind and agree with, and
I imagine a lot of users feel the same way. While my store is relatively new
compared to others, I sell an equal number of LG and LBG pieces and have never
received a complaint from a confused customer. If no one in 500+ orders complained,
I feel like this is being described as more of a problem than it is. I'm
not doubting that confusion never happens, only my experience is that it doesn't.
Like I said, the resources are out there for those who need the clarification.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 06:21 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, GreatBuy writes:
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LEGO colours are not nearly as varied as paint colours. The point I was trying
to make was that BL named its colours to cater to the secondary market, not to
be tied down to exactly waht LEGO designates them to be. Would it be easier for
them to be the same? Yes, but I don't think everything here has to line up
with what LEGO does because LEGO may not be doing something in the best way for
all situations. Our ability to designate things independent of LEGO is important
to withhold.
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But we're not independant of Lego anymore? Which goes back to the same argument
of being consistent with Lego names and using their references though I don't
think I have the energy to go over that same debate in this thread.
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A colour name shouldn't be tied to its purpose, hence why flesh was changed.
It wasn't changed because people were confusing colors, and it was not a
painless change. It has no relevance here.
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So I craft company that sells a paint called Daffodil Yellow should only be used
to paint flowers? I used to paint Lead figures as a kid and there were all kinds
of paints with names from Orc to human flesh. Do you think people only used those
colours for painting those types of flesh?
I accept differing opinions from people but if your going to base your argument
entirely on logic you have to expect people to counter the reasoning behind that
so called logic?
| | To offer my opinion, the change you propose is likely not to happen yet. There
just isn't a good enough reason that I can get behind and agree with, and
I imagine a lot of users feel the same way. While my store is relatively new
compared to others, I sell an equal number of LG and LBG pieces and have never
received a complaint from a confused customer. If no one in 500+ orders complained,
I feel like this is being described as more of a problem than it is. I'm
not doubting that confusion never happens, only my experience is that it doesn't.
Like I said, the resources are out there for those who need the clarification.
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Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | brickerking | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 10:33 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
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I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
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I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
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Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 10:50 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
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I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
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then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
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Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
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Just to add you cant start here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1253376
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | brickerking | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 11:10 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
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I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
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then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
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Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
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Just to add you cant start here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1253376
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OK if you say so.
Sorry, perhaps I aimed my reply a little too personally. It's great to have
a discussion about these things. What I mean is that, in general, I don't
think we need to think about LEGO brand continuity in our colour change discussion.
Yes, BL is part of LEGO, but at arms length. I think that's a good thing.
BL has an established cataloging system that was built with the goal of reselling
and maybe collecting in mind. I understand you are trying to make a change here
to cater to new users who might get confused with the naming of gray bricks.
I submit to you that you will run into a learning curve in any hobby. No matter
what you call the colour, there will be confusion just because of the fact that
there are two different kinds of gray colours that are very similar. I mean seriously,
I have use a special light to tell them apart. However, buyers want LG bricks
just as much as LBG bricks to complete an old set or just for variety. Both colours
are in demand.
I don't think changing the name would solve the problem. Education might
be the better way to go. If BL had more of a user friendly blog section they
could educate the community on certain aspects of the LEGO hobby like the difference
between LG and LBG. That would be a great marketing strategy, but I think they
have their hands full right now and the foreseeable future with... taxes.
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
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I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
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Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
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I don't see how it is in BrickLink's best interest to make it easier
to sell on other websites. We want both buyers and sellers to come to OUR website
with their business.
The color names we have are there because they describe the color for what it
is. The new grays definitely have a bluish tint, and the new brown has a lot
of red in it. There is something written about the history here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2500
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 11:07 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
|
I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
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Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
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I don't see how it is in BrickLink's best interest to make it easier
to sell on other websites. We want both buyers and sellers to come to OUR website
with their business.
The color names we have are there because they describe the color for what it
is. The new grays definitely have a bluish tint, and the new brown has a lot
of red in it. There is something written about the history here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2500
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Russell it would be naive to assume sellers here don't sell on other platforms?
Remember sellers that sell elsewhere probably also buy stocks here besides which
if I predominiently already make most of my sales elsewhere you could use that
same train of thought to make it easier for me or atleast encourage me to sell
more here on Bricklink?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 11:30 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
|
I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
|
Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
|
I don't see how it is in BrickLink's best interest to make it easier
to sell on other websites. We want both buyers and sellers to come to OUR website
with their business.
The color names we have are there because they describe the color for what it
is. The new grays definitely have a bluish tint, and the new brown has a lot
of red in it. There is something written about the history here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2500
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Russell it would be naive to assume sellers here don't sell on other platforms?
Remember sellers that sell elsewhere probably also buy stocks here besides which
if I predominiently already make most of my sales elsewhere you could use that
same train of thought to make it easier for me or atleast encourage me to sell
more here on Bricklink?
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also with regards to the colour definitions at what point do you have to go back
to using the basic colour names such as Ligth grey and Dark Grey again? because
if Lego do indeed keep releasing new shades for all colours there is only so
many times you can keep using terms like reddish or bluish to describe what people
see as a simple light or dark shades of greys or browns and there will come a
point when colours need to be defined in their simple forms again! I'm only
pointing out the inevitable where it will become increasingly difficult to define
colours using meaningful descriptions when all the good sensible colour names
have been used already to accomodate discontinued colours?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:20 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
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You say it like there is a lot of work involved but I don't beleive this
to be the case as I've witenssed Flesh being switched to Nougat in the space
of a few moments of it being announced in the forum
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Yeah, all the time spent planning the change, then a few moments as you say,
and then hours of volunteer work making about 2000 necessary corrections in the
catalog. This stuff doesn't happen like Thanos snapping his fingers.
My 2 cents: leave the colors alone. Our color names are not without flaws but
are better than LEGO's and if I need to cross-reference them, I can google
a color chart in no time at all. Why is this so complicated??
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:35 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
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You say it like there is a lot of work involved but I don't beleive this
to be the case as I've witenssed Flesh being switched to Nougat in the space
of a few moments of it being announced in the forum
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Yeah, all the time spent planning the change, then a few moments as you say,
and then hours of volunteer work making about 2000 necessary corrections in the
catalog. This stuff doesn't happen like Thanos snapping his fingers.
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Was'nt it yourself that initially requested the change from Flesh to Nougat
though yet your saying to leave the colours alone?
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My 2 cents: leave the colors alone. Our color names are not without flaws but
are better than LEGO's and if I need to cross-reference them, I can google
a color chart in no time at all. Why is this so complicated??
Jen
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It won't be complicated for those like yourself that are familiar with BL
and all the reference sites but I want every newbie customers to have zero doubt
about what they are purchasing from my store unless that is too much to ask?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:54 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
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You say it like there is a lot of work involved but I don't beleive this
to be the case as I've witenssed Flesh being switched to Nougat in the space
of a few moments of it being announced in the forum
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Yeah, all the time spent planning the change, then a few moments as you say,
and then hours of volunteer work making about 2000 necessary corrections in the
catalog. This stuff doesn't happen like Thanos snapping his fingers.
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Was'nt it yourself that initially requested the change from Flesh to Nougat
though yet your saying to leave the colours alone?
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Yes, my request was one that finally helped instigate the change, but I was very
far from the first to suggest it. I was also one of those who donated time so
the change seemed effortless. Many people cared about it going well and spent
even more time than me.
There is a big difference between the need for that color name change and what
is being suggested here.
I had no problem with the BrickLink color names when I was a newbie because I
started here first. LEGO names all sound weird and long-winded to me. I know
I can google a chart to cross-reference the colors because I learned it as a
newbie when I wanted to start contributing to the catalog.
I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and sorry if my previous message came across
as abrupt. Long day...
Jen
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My 2 cents: leave the colors alone. Our color names are not without flaws but
are better than LEGO's and if I need to cross-reference them, I can google
a color chart in no time at all. Why is this so complicated??
Jen
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It won't be complicated for those like yourself that are familiar with BL
and all the reference sites but I want every newbie customers to have zero doubt
about what they are purchasing from my store unless that is too much to ask?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | brickerking | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 08:13 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.
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I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 09:03 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.
|
I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
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Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | LegoLDK | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 14:25 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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By your own way you mean in proper English english?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | brickerking | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 14:33 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, LegoLDK writes:
| | | | Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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By your own way you mean in proper English English?
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Pip pip, cheerio: https://www.grammarly.com/blog/gray-grey/
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | LegoLDK | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 15:02 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, LegoLDK writes:
| | | | Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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By your own way you mean in proper English English?
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Pip pip, cheerio: https://www.grammarly.com/blog/gray-grey/
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Love it. I particularly liked the “ if someone’s name is Grey you shouldn’t change
it to Gray because you think it’s spelt incorrectly” tip.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | brickerking | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 15:10 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, LegoLDK writes:
| | Love it. I particularly liked the “ if someone’s name is Grey you shouldn’t change
it to Gray because you think it’s spelt incorrectly” tip.
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That writer is committing name-ism. If I think your name is Gray, and you think
it's Grey, who are you to tell me what I should think. I'll speak my
truth, thank you very much.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 15:35 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, LegoLDK writes:
| | | | Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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By your own way you mean in proper English english?
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Yes! For certain, I read a lot more books by English authors than any other.
I have no idea where else my preference may have originated. So, I blame Miss
Austen et al.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | LegoLDK | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 16:29 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, LegoLDK writes:
| | | | Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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By your own way you mean in proper English english?
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Yes! For certain, I read a lot more books by English authors than any other.
I have no idea where else my preference may have originated. So, I blame Miss
Austen et al.
Jen
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Miss Austen does tell a good tale. Why hasn’t Lego done a Pride & Prejudice set?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 15:46 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, LegoLDK writes:
| | | | Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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By your own way you mean in proper English english?
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Isn’t “English English” the proper English English way to write “English English”?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 16:34 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.
|
I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
|
Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 16:47 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.
|
I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
|
Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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If memory serves me correct, there was some lack of continuity in the names of
the original greys, back in the first 12 or 24 months of BL. I think they started
one way, and got flipped to the other spelling.
Then bluish arrived, and kicked the cart over big time (i.e. a significant group
of early adopters of BL were miffed at the change of the greys, and made their
feelings known … vociferously)
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 16:53 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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I have a hard enough time telling them apart as it is...
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
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Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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That would be hilarious! And terrible.
We could call retired colors 'colours' too. It would be a theme.
The only Greys on BrickLink are Gandalf and Phoenix.
Jen
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| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | The only Greys on BrickLink are Gandalf and Phoenix.
Jen
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And you as well now because I will forever more think of you as Jennifer Grey.
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| In Suggestions, BricksThatStick writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | The only Greys on BrickLink are Gandalf and Phoenix.
Jen
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And you as well now because I will forever more think of you as Jennifer Grey.
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Just do not put her in a corner!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 17:31 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
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Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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That would be hilarious! And terrible.
We could call retired colors 'colours' too. It would be a theme.
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For consistency, retired colours would need to be 'colors' if American
spellings are used for the retired greys.
| | The only Greys on BrickLink are Gandalf and Phoenix.
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Don't forget Fenrir Greyback.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 17:40 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
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Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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That would be hilarious! And terrible.
We could call retired colors 'colours' too. It would be a theme.
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For consistency, retired colours would need to be 'colors' if American
spellings are used for the retired greys.
| | The only Greys on BrickLink are Gandalf and Phoenix.
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Don't forget Fenrir Greyback.
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Oh, I missed that one! Should remember to use the * when I search.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 17:13 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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No offense meant, but that is a not a good idea. "Gray" and "Grey" mean the exact
same thing, so "Light Gray" and "Light Grey" mean the exact same thing.
Any names chosen for the different grays are going to be confusing to some people,
no matter what. It is absolutely unavoidable. The names BrickLink uses are ingrained
in the LEGO culture worldwide. They may be confusing to some new to the hobby,
but any color names are going to be confusing to those new to the hobby. The
history of LEGO has a rich color palette that needs to be *learned*, and that
is also unavoidable. Therefore, I see absolutely no reason to change the names
of the grays unless they are changed to the official LEGO names. That would be
the only one worth considering, since LEGO will never reuse the names ever again
even if they changed to other gray colors in the future. Any other change just
for change's sake is truly unnecessary.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 17:20 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
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How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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Methinks that suggestion about sarcastic fonts should really be implemented 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 18:20 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
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How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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Methinks that suggestion about sarcastic fonts should really be implemented
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If I got punked by Russell, I am going to have a good laugh.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 18:07 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.
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I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
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Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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I had a laugh!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 19:06 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.
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I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
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Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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Can we not include the date it was retired for more clarity?
Light bluish Grey = Light Grey
Light Grey = Light Grey 2003
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | brickerking | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 20:10 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.
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I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
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Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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BWAAA HA HA HA!
Russell, I didn’t know you were allowed to tell jokes!?!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 20:15 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.
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I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
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Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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BWAAA HA HA HA!
Russell, I didn’t know you were allowed to tell jokes!?!
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I told one joke 3 years ago and it didn't go over very well.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | brickerking | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 21:10 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | I told one joke 3 years ago and it didn't go over very well.
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Ace in the hole this time, you nailed it!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tec | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 05:07 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| If jokes allowed, and names stay the same in the end:
I propose we spell 'em backwards, as they have backward-compatibility
Yrag thgil (until 2003)
Yrag krad (ultil 2003)
Bonus points:
-they seems so nordic that vikings will love us form Valhalla
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 08:10 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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To satisfy my own curiosity, BL did spell them as 'GREY' up until somewhere
around late Summer or early Fall of 2002, then they flipped to 'GRAY'.
This was, IIRC, just before the new shades of gray came out, and was changed
because some felt that spelling it as GREY was a Euro spelling. Something like
that. This is based on old email archives (which I still have until the HD dies).
Then the bleys arrived, and much hair was pulled out.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:32 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Can we use both Lego and bricklink color names simultaneously, or the user can
choose an option which to use?
In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:58 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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I appreciate your response Russell.... As far as the number references go I’m
not familiar with them enough to comment myself but I guess having extra references
that accompany colour names can only be a good thing if it leads to a further
means of colour identification
That said I’m probably more likely to rely on the actual colour name descriptions
but who knows if I start to memorize the number references I may start to rely
on them on a more ongoing basis
Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?
That aside the main focus of my attention was about giving the Bluish greys a
more appropriate name as nobody would initially expect these to be catalogued
under bluish grey? And since they are now Legos main staple grey colours and
will probably remain so for long into the foreseeable future it stands to reason
that we should attempt to given them a more appropriate and simple description
of Light/Dark grey Obviously doing this would cause issues with the older existing
greys in the catalog hence the reason I felt the need to try and address this
issue with the 'ol'd tag but to be honest I wouldn’t really care what
we called them be that Yellowed Grey, Dull grey, Storm cloud Grey, because they
are not so widely/commonly used anymore in comparison to the newer established
greys
Also if we managed to change all the flesh colours to nougat it’s not as if it
couldn’t be done if you wanted it to happen?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 19:08 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?
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Old is an undefined word, as is new. Old as relative to what? We've run
into problems in the past using old/new as descriptors and are definitely moving
away from using those two words. They are ultimately meaningless.
For example, if TLG deliberately changes the colors of grays again, we're
stuck renaming everything again. And to what? Old LBG, New LBG, and Even Newer
LBG?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:02 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?
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Old is an undefined word, as is new. Old as relative to what? We've run
into problems in the past using old/new as descriptors and are definitely moving
away from using those two words. They are ultimately meaningless.
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Okay and that is fine and I accept and appreciate your reasoning with regards
to why you don't like the 'old' or 'classic' tag but I will
repeat this part of that same post:-
"That aside the main focus of my attention was about giving the Bluish greys
a
more appropriate name as nobody would initially expect these to be catalogued
under bluish grey? And since they are now Legos main staple grey colours and
will probably remain so for long into the foreseeable future it stands to reason
that we should attempt to given them a more appropriate and simple description
of Light/Dark grey Obviously doing this would cause issues with the older existing
greys in the catalog hence the reason I felt the need to try and address this
issue with the 'old' tag but to be honest I wouldn’t really care what
we called them be that Yellowed Grey, Dull grey, Storm cloud Grey, because they
are not so widely/commonly used anymore in comparison to the newer established
greys"
| | For example, if TLG deliberately changes the colors of grays again, we're
stuck renaming everything again. And to what? Old LBG, New LBG, and Even Newer
LBG?
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Can you really honestly see that happening though I think its fair to say that
Lego have settled on those two light and dark grey colours now and are not likely
to set out to intentionally replace them besides any differences are likely to
be purely unintentional be that change of material like we have recently seen
with some of the trans colours or accidental like what we see with yellow
and pearl gold neither of which are cataloged separately by BL. Yes they may
well release future greys but if anything they are highly likely to be significantly
different shade to the current Light and Dark Bluish greys we have today and
if anything it will more than likely be a shade of grey that would sit smack
beween the two current bluish greys as a kind of medium grey and yes that may
be speculation on my part but you are also speculating something that may not
happen and we can only make the catalog as good as we can make it today and worry
about how to deal with future colours if and when it happens?
Either way I hope you don't mind me saying but for someone who is dead set
against the idea of using the official Lego colour names because they are too
far away from what most of us would use to describe those colours is'nt Dark
bluish grey just as bad as Bright Yellowish Green? (AKA Lime) at least the latter
is using an official Lego reference?
If we can't reference this colour in the best/most descriptive way to match
what the actual colour is i.e Dark Grey we'd be better of just calling it
what Lego call it (Dark Sone Grey)?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 08:03 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?
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Old is an undefined word, as is new. Old as relative to what? We've run
into problems in the past using old/new as descriptors and are definitely moving
away from using those two words. They are ultimately meaningless.
For example, if TLG deliberately changes the colors of grays again, we're
stuck renaming everything again. And to what? Old LBG, New LBG, and Even Newer
LBG?
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You could also say ‘Very Light’ as relative to what? or ‘medium’ as relative
to what?
The term ‘Old’ would be relative to how the catalog is now/today keeping in mind
that I feel it is highly unlikely that Lego will intentionally replace what has
now become their core staple shades of colour for both those light and dark greys?
On the same token if Lego release a new shade of Grey that is lighter than Light
Bluish Grey but darker than Very Light Bluish Grey you’re still in the same predicament
of what to call it? and having to change Light Bluish Grey to Medium Bluish Grey
in order to make way for the new shade of colour?
I fear you are attempting to future proof something that can’t be future proofed?
That said there is one way to future proof it but I fear people will no doubt
dislike the idea:-
But let’s say in relation to the colour grey there are only 4 or maybe 5 shades
of grey that are ‘Current’ and in production by Lego at any one time and let’s
say they are given these simple clear definitions within the catalog:-
Pale Grey
Light Grey
Grey
Medium Grey
Dark Grey
Each current shade will keep and hold that position until the time (if it ever
comes?) it becomes discontinued or replaced whereupon the new shade will take
up its positon using the same colour name. The discontinued grey would remain
within the catalog using the same name it once had but with the added extension
of the year it was thought to be discontinued?
So along with the above greys the catalog would also contain shades of grey renamed
in the following way:-
Light Grey 1984
Light Grey 2007
Dark Grey 1996
But heres the situation....
If you hate the idea then you probably needn’t worry too much as I don’t foresee
Lego changing the shade of its core colours very often if ever at all and so
very few colours will need to be marked with a discontinued date!
And if I’m wrong your still faced with trying to fit in all these new future
shades of colour which will involve a bigger headache when you’re restricted
by the catalog and having to make up new names on the spot like ‘Light Medium
Bluish Grey’ or worse! just to accommodate all those similar shades of grey that
have long since been discontinued and have already taken all the good sensible
colour names?
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| | | | | | | Author: | tec | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 18:14 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I don't support any change. Because BL names are known more than others.
Lbg and Dbg are everywhere, posted on forums, flickr, instagram, Billund bathrooms,
...
Any change will break more than heal. We are 1:1 with rebrickable.com, they copied
from BL names (https://rebrickable.com/colors/). I dont wanna lose that, I believe
it makes everyone happy to use 2 sites without silly translations. In the web,
the current bricklink=rebrickable is a powerhouse.
Some ideas to soften up the color mayhem:
- implement expansions. let us input "lbg brick 2×4" in the search field, the
server rightfully rewrites lbg=light bluish gray and goes.
- implement substitutions. Let the user input "brick yellow", the server rewrites
"brick yellow"=tan
- let the user switch between appearances. If the user can choose (in the settings)
if they want to see BL names, Lego id, Lego official names, etc
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 19:27 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tec writes:
| | I don't support any change. Because BL names are known more than others.
Lbg and Dbg are everywhere, posted on forums, flickr, instagram, Billund bathrooms,
...
Any change will break more than heal. We are 1:1 with rebrickable.com,
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Mostly but not exactly.
And names only, not codes/ID/numbers.
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from BL names (https://rebrickable.com/colors/). I dont wanna lose that, I believe
it makes everyone happy to use 2 sites without silly translations. In the web,
the current bricklink=rebrickable is a powerhouse.
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LDraw is using BL names too (but with underscores instead of spaces and with
Australian spelling).
(And LEGO codes when possible / for new colours.)
| | Some ideas to soften up the color mayhem:
- implement expansions. let us input "lbg brick 2×4" in the search field, the
server rightfully rewrites lbg=light bluish gray and goes.
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Not a bad idea… but I only see LBG and DBG as common shortcuts. Are there other
colour shortcuts? Unless you include shortcuts like “TrBrGreen”?
| | - implement substitutions. Let the user input "brick yellow", the server rewrites
"brick yellow"=tan
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Nope. Or wrong example: How do you differentiate “I wrote Brick Yellow but I
mean Tan” from “I want a Yellow Brick”?
People who want a yellow brick will be at least nonplused to be presented with
Tan bricks.
(Word order isn’t used in searches, unless you use quotes, and someone, especially
non-native speakers, could search for Yellow Bricks by typing first Brick and
then Yellow.)
Changing words/tokens that have no other meanings into words that have one is
okay (“LBG” → full name). Changing words that already have a meaning or adding
meanings to words is not (“Yellow” is “Yellow,” not “Tan,” not “Yellow or Tan”).
| | - let the user switch between appearances. If the user can choose (in the settings)
if they want to see BL names, Lego id, Lego official names, etc.
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The catalogue can’t use both nomenclatures at the same time, or it would need
to maintain two descriptions for each object (colours are used to describe patterns
and multicoloured parts and assemblies).
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tec | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 06:54 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I was not fully aware of the problems that might arise. So I sincerely welcome
your input.
The shorthands could be many more, not just lbg, it could be hard to decide how
far to go with them.
The substitution method? I was suggesting one can substitute entire phrases to
catch Lego-sanctioned names, traduce to BL, and go. BRICK YELLOW means Tan in
the end, but hey it uses both YELLOW and BRICK, words with a meaning, we must
ingest it, but we already know that such search will fail (try it) so uhm...
let's rewrite it to Tan and hope the search ends with what a user wants.
A bit like google autocorrect. Probably not good on BL, plus the bad example.
End.
For the names-switch I was thinking of NOT changing db and the like, just rewrite
words in the page when it is showed to us. No need to change the engine. Just
like sites in multiple languages, they seem to replace text with other text,
not changing what the site does.
In conclusion I was not thinking enough, i'm sorry I haven't advanced
any good contributions
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 09:53 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tec writes:
| | […]
For the names-switch I was thinking of NOT changing db and the like, just rewrite
words in the page when it is showed to us. No need to change the engine. Just
like sites in multiple languages, they seem to replace text with other text,
not changing what the site does.
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Where do you think they get the translations from?
Translations are stored somewhere and retrieved according to the “locale” (language
and other local conventions).
For applications, the texts are replaced before being written on the screen (not
word for word, entire texts). For websites, it’s generally the entire pages
that are rewritten (or they have a generator or engine that works the same way
as applications). But the translations need to be somewhere.
And for BL’s catalogue, that somewhere would be the database.
And then, the engine (processing) would need to be changed too, to make the replacements.
Either
— you replace whole texts (for instance, the description of 970c85 “Hips and
Dark Bluish Gray Legs” is replaced by “Hips and Dark Stone Grey Legs”), and then
you need to store two descriptions for every part with colour names in the description,
— or you replace only the colour names (that is, every time you see “Dark Bluish
Gray” you write “Dark Stone Grey”), and then you need a more complicated mechanism
to find & replace the names where needed (and not where not needed, e.g.: “Dark
Tan” shouldn’t be replaced with “Dark Brick Yellow” ).
| | In conclusion I was not thinking enough, i'm sorry I haven't advanced
any good contributions
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No, no, it’s how brainstorming works: one has an idea, others critisize it.
It’s not a criticism on the one who had the idea
The same way there’s no stupid questions, there’s no stupid ideas.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 10:06 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tec writes:
| | In conclusion I was not thinking enough, i'm sorry I haven't advanced
any good contributions
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Don't worry neither have I with my original post and subsequent responses
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| | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 03:43 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
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My impression, from being around at the time, is that the proper names for the
shades of gray, that were introduced around 2003 were: Light Stone Gray and Dark
Stone Gray. Certain other sites (e.g. Peeron) seemed to have a better back
channel to obtaining this information than BL did. At one time I think TLG
viewed BL as something less than desirable, and hence the lack of communications.
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And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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It would be conformal. I made a whimsical suggestion a month or two back, that
selling an AFOL targeted set, with a 2x2 tile made from each of the several hundred
colors, and having the color number (the TLG number) printed on the tile, would
go a long way towards getting everyone on the same page. Perhaps include with
a 32x32 baseplate in black, which I don't think has ever been produced (and
would be instantly collectable).
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | Author: | brickglen | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 00:10 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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I think using the color numbers is a good idea, it would remove any ambiguity.
There could be an account option for each user to select which group of color
names is used to appear beside the number. So if someone wants to work with the
official lego names they could choose that option. Or the peeron names, bricklink
names - could even have options for other languages. It wouldn't be a large
table table to maintain.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 02:21 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, brickglen writes:
| | In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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I think using the color numbers is a good idea, it would remove any ambiguity.
There could be an account option for each user to select which group of color
names is used to appear beside the number. So if someone wants to work with the
official lego names they could choose that option. Or the peeron names, bricklink
names - could even have options for other languages. It wouldn't be a large
table table to maintain.
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Colour names are used in different ways. They are used as base part colours but
also used in descriptions as text. So any scheme would need to cover both uses.
Reusing names is a very bad idea especially if bricklink only announced it in
the forum, or only announced it once. People come and go over long timescales
and there would need to be constant reminders about changes such as reusing colour
names for different colours. We cannot have long time but infrequent users coming
back one day, buying a load of light gray parts and getting what they think is
LBG.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 01:25 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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Uh oh....  If that ever happens, it better be announced weeks in advance and
reminded daily, because otherwise that'd cause a heck of a lot of problems
for everyone who is syncing inventory or downloading inventory for whatever purpose,
plus Brickstock needs to be updated the exact same second as Bricklink rolls
out the new numbers, etc etc... and then still it's gonna cause heaps of
conflicts and mis-listed inventory for many folks who managed to not check the
forum at any point...
Don't really see the benefit, because the numbers only appear in the links,
and people who use links and numbers are not simply browsing, they're using
some type of system. And when using systems, changes are trouble.
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:47 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Please do not start changing the existing colour names.
I am not interested in whatever Lego officially calls colours. I just need to
know what Bricklink calls them, so that I can list parts for sale, and purchase
parts on Bricklink. I don't think I am unique in this matter.
As a person living with a form of colour blindness, let me tell you that all
the fancy names that colorists come up with do not help me at all. I just want
to know, "Is that thing basically blue? Or is it red?" Spare me the "August
Sunset", "Sea Foam" and "Dusty Rose" type of labels. What the heck is "azure"
anyway?
The only reason to pursue congruence with Lego's system is to make things
simpler. I don't see much evidence that will be the result of tinkering around
with colour names we've all memorized over the past decade or so.
Please. Do Not do it. Just don't.
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| | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:09 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:
| | Please do not start changing the existing colour names.
I am not interested in whatever Lego officially calls colours. I just need to
know what Bricklink calls them, so that I can list parts for sale, and purchase
parts on Bricklink. I don't think I am unique in this matter.
As a person living with a form of colour blindness, let me tell you that all
the fancy names that colorists come up with do not help me at all. I just want
to know, "Is that thing basically blue? Or is it red?" Spare me the "August
Sunset", "Sea Foam" and "Dusty Rose" type of labels.
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How do you feel about your next brick color, Dark Turquoise or Bright Bluish
Green?
| | What the heck is "azure" anyway?
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Dark Azure? Well, it's kinda like Tiny-Medium Blue, which I'm sure you're
well familiar with
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 23:47 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:
| | Please do not start changing the existing colour names.
I am not interested in whatever Lego officially calls colours. I just need to
know what Bricklink calls them, so that I can list parts for sale, and purchase
parts on Bricklink. I don't think I am unique in this matter.
As a person living with a form of colour blindness, let me tell you that all
the fancy names that colorists come up with do not help me at all. I just want
to know, "Is that thing basically blue? Or is it red?" Spare me the "August
Sunset", "Sea Foam" and "Dusty Rose" type of labels.
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How do you feel about your next brick color, Dark Turquoise or Bright Bluish
Green?
| | What the heck is "azure" anyway?
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Dark Azure? Well, it's kinda like Tiny-Medium Blue, which I'm sure you're
well familiar with
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Its funny. But you shouldn't make fun of the handicapped.
Actually, Dark turquoise is one of the colours that is causing me a lot of grief
these days - it is essentially invisible to me.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 00:14 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:
| | In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:
| | Please do not start changing the existing colour names.
I am not interested in whatever Lego officially calls colours. I just need to
know what Bricklink calls them, so that I can list parts for sale, and purchase
parts on Bricklink. I don't think I am unique in this matter.
As a person living with a form of colour blindness, let me tell you that all
the fancy names that colorists come up with do not help me at all. I just want
to know, "Is that thing basically blue? Or is it red?" Spare me the "August
Sunset", "Sea Foam" and "Dusty Rose" type of labels.
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How do you feel about your next brick color, Dark Turquoise or Bright Bluish
Green?
| | What the heck is "azure" anyway?
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Dark Azure? Well, it's kinda like Tiny-Medium Blue, which I'm sure you're
well familiar with
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Its funny. But you shouldn't make fun of the handicapped.
Actually, Dark turquoise is one of the colours that is causing me a lot of grief
these days - it is essentially invisible to me.
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Sorry about your condition, but we all have our problems. Instead of listing
for you my physical ailment/handicap, let's just have a laugh
When you hit 2,500 we'll celebrate your new brick color, nonetheless!
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:09 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:
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As a person living with a form of colour blindness, let me tell you that all
the fancy names that colorists come up with do not help me at all. I just want
to know, "Is that thing basically blue? Or is it red?" Spare me the "August
Sunset", "Sea Foam" and "Dusty Rose" type of labels.
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One doesn’t need to be colour blind to realize these names are marketting names.
Or rather, maybe your colour blindness made you believe colour names (even “simpler”
ones) had any real objective meaning while they don’t
It’s all arbitrary, historical, and mangled by translations and language evolution.
| | What the heck is "azure" anyway?
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”From Middle English asure, from Old French azur, derived from Arabic لَازَوَرْد
(lāzaward, “lapis lazuli”), dropping the l as if it were equivalent to the French
article l'. The Arabic is from Persian لاجورد (lâjvard, “lapis lazuli”),
from the region of Lajward in Turkestan.”
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/azure
So it’s was the name of the region were a stone first (or most) originated.
But no one cares about that anymore, like no one cares “green” is akin to “grow”
(plants grow and plants are green).
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:06 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:07 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:
| | Please do not start changing the existing colour names.
I am not interested in whatever Lego officially calls colours. I just need to
know what Bricklink calls them, so that I can list parts for sale, and purchase
parts on Bricklink. I don't think I am unique in this matter.
As a person living with a form of colour blindness, let me tell you that all
the fancy names that colorists come up with do not help me at all. I just want
to know, "Is that thing basically blue? Or is it red?" Spare me the "August
Sunset", "Sea Foam" and "Dusty Rose" type of labels. What the heck is "azure"
anyway?
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Are you sure your not living with regular blindness only if you read my original
post you'd realise that I'm talking about simplifying colour names not
fancying them up?
| | The only reason to pursue congruence with Lego's system is to make things
simpler. I don't see much evidence that will be the result of tinkering around
with colour names we've all memorized over the past decade or so.
Please. Do Not do it. Just don't.
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 19:57 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
Voted no.
The grays are a difficult area because of the history behind them. We can't
just rename one set of grays without renaming the others. The easiest way to
screw everyone up is to start calling the newer grays the same names that were
just used for the older grays. It would be a huge mess.
However, there is a need to be able to use the official LEGO color names on the
site.
The way to solve this problem is to add a column to the BrickLink color table
in the database that would store the official LEGO color name alongside the BrickLink
color name. The site would then use the BrickLink color names in the catalog,
but the LEGO color names could be searched for and cross-referenced to the BrickLink
color names when necessary.
This would require the site to develop the solution and implement it, but it
should be the long-term goal of the site.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:18 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, randyf writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
Voted no.
The grays are a difficult area because of the history behind them. We can't
just rename one set of grays without renaming the others. The easiest way to
screw everyone up is to start calling the newer grays the same names that were
just used for the older grays. It would be a huge mess.
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Not if as others have mentioned the old greys are renamed first and the newer
greys are changed however much later even if thats a whole year or so later!
| | However, there is a need to be able to use the official LEGO color names on the
site.
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If that is the intended plan of action then that would be the ideal outcome that
would supercede all the concerns I have about Bricklink colour names. If it ever
happens?
| | The way to solve this problem is to add a column to the BrickLink color table
in the database that would store the official LEGO color name alongside the BrickLink
color name. The site would then use the BrickLink color names in the catalog,
but the LEGO color names could be searched for and cross-referenced to the BrickLink
color names when necessary.
This would require the site to develop the solution and implement it, but it
should be the long-term goal of the site.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:40 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, randyf writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
Voted no.
The grays are a difficult area because of the history behind them. We can't
just rename one set of grays without renaming the others. The easiest way to
screw everyone up is to start calling the newer grays the same names that were
just used for the older grays. It would be a huge mess.
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Not if as others have mentioned the old greys are renamed first and the newer
greys are changed however much later even if thats a whole year or so later!
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I am sorry, but the terms "old" and "new" are meaningless. They are relative
terms that mean different things to different people at different times. The
catalog is trying to move completely away from relative terms because of that.
I do not see adding more of those terms as a solution to anything. For instance,
if LEGO were to introduce new grays in five years, we have to go through the
whole dance again because LBG would now be *yet another* "old" gray.
| | | | However, there is a need to be able to use the official LEGO color names on the
site.
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If that is the intended plan of action then that would be the ideal outcome that
would supercede all the concerns I have about Bricklink colour names. If it ever
happens?
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It could definitely happen. I have personally worked behind the scenes to solve
a number of color issues over the last 1.5 years by having some new colors added
to untwine colors that are combined in relation to official LEGO colors, having
some colors renamed to make them simpler, adjusting tons of inventories, communicating
with some of the color experts out there, etc. This is a focus area of mine,
and I am trying to move the site in a better direction when it comes to all of
this. I am very confident that we will be able to make some headway on this in
the near future. In other words, you are being heard.
One of my next goals is the Pearl Light Gray versus Flat Silver issue. If you
want to talk about a problem area, then this would be it. Light Gray versus Light
Bluish Gray has nothing on this one.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 04:41 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, randyf writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
Voted no.
The grays are a difficult area because of the history behind them. We can't
just rename one set of grays without renaming the others. The easiest way to
screw everyone up is to start calling the newer grays the same names that were
just used for the older grays. It would be a huge mess.
However, there is a need to be able to use the official LEGO color names on the
site.
The way to solve this problem is to add a column to the BrickLink color table
in the database that would store the official LEGO color name alongside the BrickLink
color name. The site would then use the BrickLink color names in the catalog,
but the LEGO color names could be searched for and cross-referenced to the BrickLink
color names when necessary.
This would require the site to develop the solution and implement it, but it
should be the long-term goal of the site.
Cheers,
Randy
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This is the best approach in my opinion.
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| | | | | Author: | wahiggin | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 23:34 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
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I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?
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I like the idea of adding "Classic" or "Old" in front of retired colors, but
I'm not in favor of changing the name of the existing Light Bluish Grey or
Dark Bluish Grey.
Wesley
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