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| | | Author: | waltzking  | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 17:21 | | Subject: | BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 398 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Discarded | |
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| 1) If: "Sets" are a specific collection of parts.
2) And: Such collections of parts are still considered "sets" whether complete
or incomplete.
3) And: "Minifigures" are a specific collection of parts.
4) Then by logic: Such collections of parts are still considered "minifigures"
whether complete or incomplete.
Ergo, BrickLink is broken. One currently cannot list an incomplete minifigure.
They must instead be broken to their basic components and listed as single parts.....and
this makes no sense from both a logical standpoint or a buyer-friendly standpoint.
We NEED "incomplete/complete" definitions for minifigures (and for all inventoried
items for that matter) to keep this marketplace competitive. A $20 11-piece
minifigure missing an inconsequential part should be possible to list as "incomplete"
and defining the missing item. To have to break this nearly complete collection
composing the minifigure down to individual parts, pieces a seller likely does
not want to break apart given it is more desirable or worth more as a whole instead
of pieces, makes eBay a better marketplace for the item. eBay should NEVER be
a better option than BrickLink on the ability to list and sell LEGO. Something
is wrong with this site when this is the case.
PLEASE correct this and add the same complete/incomplete definitions for minifigures.
It certainly cannot hurt the marketplace and will actually improve it by helping
to eliminate the ever so common "missing ----" descriptions sellers often
currently use (though shouldn't) under the same catalog entry for the undefined
figure. Buyers shop specific figures, and as such should have the option to
buyer complete or incomplete as meets their needs.
Jonathan
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| | | | | Author: | Brickitty | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 17:50 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Voted no.
| | 3) And: "Minifigures" are a specific collection of parts.
4) Then by logic: Such collections of parts are still considered "minifigures"
whether complete or incomplete.
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Disagree. Because minifigures are typically only 3-5 parts, their completeness
must be defined differently. Minifigures are not just "a specific collection
of parts," they're "a specific collection of parts that constitutes a complete
figure." A set missing 1 or 2 parts is an incomplete set; a minifigure missing
1 or 2 parts is just a couple of random parts. IMO, Boba Fett without a helmet
isn't Boba Fett (just one example, but it illustrates my point).
| | We NEED "incomplete/complete" definitions for minifigures (and for all inventoried
items for that matter) to keep this marketplace competitive.
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I don't think you have any proof for this claim, and I don't think any
exists. It's doubtful that requiring minifigures to be complete or be broken
down into parts will meaningfully impact Bricklink as a marketplace.
| | A $20 11-piece minifigure missing an inconsequential part should be possible
to list as "incomplete" and defining the missing item.
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But that's not what happens most of the time. Over 7 years of buying Lego,
I've virtually never seen incomplete figures on Bricklink missing only a
common/cheap part. Usually, they're missing the only piece that gives the
figure value but are still listed at nearly full price (see: Angelica/Radagast
and the Dark Tan feather). If the missing part is so inconsequential, sellers
should replace it themselves before selling the figure.
| | To have to break this nearly complete collection
composing the minifigure down to individual parts, pieces a seller likely does
not want to break apart given it is more desirable or worth more as a whole instead
of pieces, makes eBay a better marketplace for the item. eBay should NEVER be
a better option than BrickLink on the ability to list and sell LEGO.
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I doubt anyone will find better luck selling incomplete figures on eBay. The
vast, vast majority of buyers don't want them. You're overestimating
the demand by a lot. And why is it so hard to list those 2 or 3 parts from a
minifigure separately? Since components are usually worth more individually than
together, the seller will usually make more money listing each part separately,
even if it takes longer to sell all the components.
| | It certainly cannot hurt the marketplace and will actually improve it by helping
to eliminate the ever so common "missing ----" descriptions sellers often
currently use (though shouldn't) under the same catalog entry for the undefined
figure. Buyers shop specific figures, and as such should have the option to
buyer complete or incomplete as meets their needs.
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Those "missing" descriptions are being eliminated anyway, since the new policy
is being enforced. If buyers want to buy a partial minifigure, they can easily
buy each of the parts individually. There's no need to search out the one
seller who listed an incomplete fig with exactly the parts they need.
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| | | | | | | Author: | waltzking | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 20:07 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brickitty writes:
| | Voted no.
| | 3) And: "Minifigures" are a specific collection of parts.
4) Then by logic: Such collections of parts are still considered "minifigures"
whether complete or incomplete.
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Disagree. Because minifigures are typically only 3-5 parts, their completeness
must be defined differently. Minifigures are not just "a specific collection
of parts," they're "a specific collection of parts that constitutes a complete
figure." A set missing 1 or 2 parts is an incomplete set; a minifigure missing
1 or 2 parts is just a couple of random parts. IMO, Boba Fett without a helmet
isn't Boba Fett (just one example, but it illustrates my point).
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3-5, 10-20, or whatever, it's fully optional and allows easy search for a
match to a figure you have some of and want to complete or swap for better condition
parts. Or even to collect figures of diverse completeness for army building
(highly popular).
Also your "a specific collection of parts that constitutes a complete figure"
works the same towards sets which are simply "a specific collection of parts
that constitutes a complete set". Same logic. It's not specifically about
sets versus minifigures, but items with inventories s of which minifigures are
the largest category this issue currently affects. Anything "bundled" (which
is what sets, minifigures, etc. are) but incomplete should be able to be listed
that way. Seller choice versus parting. Many folks have stuff to sell and would
rather sell in searchable incomplete lots, not a bunch of time consuming parts
to list and then only sell a few of them over many months. Incomplete item sub-conditions
on all such lots allows searchable, one-lot sell all opportunity, and fully
transparent to buyers by the "incomplete" and descriptive comments.
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| | We NEED "incomplete/complete" definitions for minifigures (and for all inventoried
items for that matter) to keep this marketplace competitive.
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I don't think you have any proof for this claim, and I don't think any
exists.
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I already laid out the proof logically. Unless you deem "need" a term of absolute,
usable only in regard to survival, not the intended and usually used "really,
really want this" I meant it as. BrickLink isn't "needed" by the absolute
definition. Just air, water and shelter are all that are "needed." So rephrase
the statement as "want it badly" to get my point. I know other folks in my LUG
who want it, and then there are others in this thread who do too. You may not
use it, but it would be highly useful to more than you might imagine. And competitiveness
stems from new ideas and updates, not keeping all the same as it always has been.
| | It's doubtful that requiring minifigures to be complete or be broken
down into parts will meaningfully impact Bricklink as a marketplace.
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Speculating (that is what "doubtful" means) that it won't impact meaningfully
is just your view...until we try and have statistics on both sides to evaluate.
One sided stats do not negate the potential unrealized value of the previously
non-existent alternative. It's like saying we don't need airplanes
for travel since we already have horse and carriage as well as automobiles to
travel with. Holding that view today would get you laughed at, but it was held
by many in the early 1900's mocking the attempt to find travel options in
the air. This is also the same non-forward thought processes of the many industries
lost to the past by failing to adapt. Adapt and move forward, don't use
the current status-quo to negate opportunity for progress.
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| | A $20 11-piece minifigure missing an inconsequential part should be possible
to list as "incomplete" and defining the missing item.
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But that's not what happens most of the time. Over 7 years of buying Lego,
I've virtually never seen incomplete figures on Bricklink missing only a
common/cheap part. Usually, they're missing the only piece that gives the
figure value but are still listed at nearly full price (see: Angelica/Radagast
and the Dark Tan feather). If the missing part is so inconsequential, sellers
should replace it themselves before selling the figure.
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Again "most of the time" and "7-years of buying" are personal view and experience
which cannot speak for all. I've been here 15-years and I have seen such
"missing cheap part" listings. But neither my experience or yours proves anything.
The difference on the topic is my view only helps those who want the feature,
and in no way harms those who do not (as it is currently always optional to search
with incomplete items included). Your view is to limit the options of others
based on your own buying/selling habits. I'd never vote against an "optional"
feature just because I wouldn't find it useful myself.
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| | To have to break this nearly complete collection
composing the minifigure down to individual parts, pieces a seller likely does
not want to break apart given it is more desirable or worth more as a whole instead
of pieces, makes eBay a better marketplace for the item. eBay should NEVER be
a better option than BrickLink on the ability to list and sell LEGO.
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I doubt anyone will find better luck selling incomplete figures on eBay. The
vast, vast majority of buyers don't want them. You're overestimating
the demand by a lot. And why is it so hard to list those 2 or 3 parts from a
minifigure separately? Since components are usually worth more individually than
together, the seller will usually make more money listing each part separately,
even if it takes longer to sell all the components.
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Everything sells on eBay. Give it time (same as it takes here) and a buyer will
come. Been doing that for 20-years and it has always worked out. Never has
an item that didn't eventually sell, and I've sold over 10,000 items
there.
The bigger issue is that no small seller wants to be required to list and sell
all the parts individually to a set versus one lot (even if incomplete). Many
want to simplify to save both time and hassle, and NOT generate lots of orders
just to get the many components sold off. Same goes for minifigures too. It
is (on sets) and should be (on minifigures) that one can list searchable lots,
filterable by condition and completeness, which can then be accurately defined
through description. One should never be required to tear apart a already defined
"collection of parts" making up a whole, simply due to missing a part. Again,
options for those who want them, not forced on anyone. If you don't need
it, don't use it. But let those wanting it have the option.
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| | It certainly cannot hurt the marketplace and will actually improve it by helping
to eliminate the ever so common "missing ----" descriptions sellers often
currently use (though shouldn't) under the same catalog entry for the undefined
figure. Buyers shop specific figures, and as such should have the option to
buyer complete or incomplete as meets their needs.
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Those "missing" descriptions are being eliminated anyway, since the new policy
is being enforced. If buyers want to buy a partial minifigure, they can easily
buy each of the parts individually. There's no need to search out the one
seller who listed an incomplete fig with exactly the parts they need.
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But lets say I want to sell the "10-part missing-1" figure all at once. BrickLink
took away this option with suppression of super-lots, the old allowable option
for incomplete, but bundled sales. If that is a no-no then incomplete status
items need to be a yes-yes. There needs to be an allowable way to bundle items,
especially those belonging together
Honestly there needs to be more bundles available to list on BrickLink, like
full sets of sails for a pirate ship, or even a full set of figures from a
set. This actually has been done for "complete sets of" collectable minifigures....so
why not extend the option to more items that benefit from being in the catalog
as bundles too? This is providing buyers a service for simplified shopping.
Highly useful IMO and something I'd love to be able to use and see more
sellers offering! It simplifies shopping, and provides options to a seller,
especially those not wanting to break a set of sails when they have them all
to offer, etc, etc. A seller needs the ability to restrict sales of the items
to bundles, and making the common options available in the catalog is a win-win
for buyer and seller alike. That is after all all a "minifigure" catalog entry
is to begin with.
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 17:58 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Bricklink is not broken. The clarification that has been made on "incomplete"
minifigures has repaired an ambiguity that was debated for years.
The current policy is the right one, in particular as it benefits buyers, who
are simply looking for an minifig that is complete according to the official
inventory and not a confusing nonsense listing like "excellent condition. Only
missing head and cape".
A $20.00 minifig should certainly have enough value to make it worth the sellers
effort to acquire the "inconsequential part" and complete the minifigure. Failing
that, the seller can list the aberrant minifigure as a custom, which is still
available for buyers to search.
Another problem with minifigure listings is that of substituted parts. No one
would consider listing even an incomplete et with "Gray bricks have been replaced
with Yellow", yet minifigures are frequently offered with different arms, heads,
hair and hats that have nothing to do with the minifigure's inventory. The
current policy of requiring completeness according to the official inventory
can be of great help in addressing such inconsistencies.
A minifigure that is not complete with all the constituent parts of the inventory
is not a minifigure - i is a collection of parts, and as such should be listed
as parts. Minifigures are not sets, and as such, there is no need for there to
be an "incomplete" sub-condition.
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 18:07 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | 1) If: "Sets" are a specific collection of parts.
2) And: Such collections of parts are still considered "sets" whether complete
or incomplete.
3) And: "Minifigures" are a specific collection of parts.
4) Then by logic: Such collections of parts are still considered "minifigures"
whether complete or incomplete.
Ergo, BrickLink is broken. One currently cannot list an incomplete minifigure.
They must instead be broken to their basic components and listed as single parts.....and
this makes no sense from both a logical standpoint or a buyer-friendly standpoint.
We NEED "incomplete/complete" definitions for minifigures (and for all inventoried
items for that matter) to keep this marketplace competitive. A $20 11-piece
minifigure missing an inconsequential part should be possible to list as "incomplete"
and defining the missing item. To have to break this nearly complete collection
composing the minifigure down to individual parts, pieces a seller likely does
not want to break apart given it is more desirable or worth more as a whole instead
of pieces, makes eBay a better marketplace for the item. eBay should NEVER be
a better option than BrickLink on the ability to list and sell LEGO. Something
is wrong with this site when this is the case.
PLEASE correct this and add the same complete/incomplete definitions for minifigures.
It certainly cannot hurt the marketplace and will actually improve it by helping
to eliminate the ever so common "missing ----" descriptions sellers often
currently use (though shouldn't) under the same catalog entry for the undefined
figure. Buyers shop specific figures, and as such should have the option to
buyer complete or incomplete as meets their needs.
Jonathan
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I don't know about "broken" Jonathan. But I agree, restore it. If need be,
with new limitations. Enough with the nuking of longstanding practices in dealing
with any misuse.
Short of that, at least restore the Superlot's efficacy as a semi-viable
listing option for minifigs missing a part.
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| | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 18:30 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Agreed. Voted yes.
Would also suggest the Price Guide for minifigs have the default setting be "Exclude
Incomplete" or maybe even have separate "Complete" and "Incomplete" checkboxes.
I recently reopened my shop. I had one incomplete minifig that I forgot to put
in the storeroom. This listing was deleted within 24 hours, so BL's policing
of this is on autopilot now.
There are buyers (myself included) who look for incomplete minifigs. Time to
find a way to accommodate these buyers. Sometimes it's a hassle hunting down
the individual minifig parts.
In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
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I don't know about "broken" Jonathan. But I agree, restore it. If need be,
with new limitations. Enough with the nuking of longstanding practices in dealing
with any misuse.
Short of that, at least restore the Superlot's efficacy as a semi-viable
listing option for minifigs missing a part.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 19:07 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, zorbanj writes:
| | Agreed. Voted yes.
Would also suggest the Price Guide for minifigs have the default setting be "Exclude
Incomplete" or maybe even have separate "Complete" and "Incomplete" checkboxes.
I recently reopened my shop. I had one incomplete minifig that I forgot to put
in the storeroom. This listing was deleted within 24 hours, so BL's policing
of this is on autopilot now.
There are buyers (myself included) who look for incomplete minifigs. Time to
find a way to accommodate these buyers. Sometimes it's a hassle hunting down
the individual minifig parts.
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I understand, time to get creative!
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In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
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I don't know about "broken" Jonathan. But I agree, restore it. If need be,
with new limitations. Enough with the nuking of longstanding practices in dealing
with any misuse.
Short of that, at least restore the Superlot's efficacy as a semi-viable
listing option for minifigs missing a part.
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| | | | | Author: | Reki_Lobsheek | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 18:13 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| You've got my "yes", for however much that is worth.
I especially agree because of the added feature of mentioning "complete / incomplete"
as with sets.
I can't see any issues if a figure would mention this by default and buyers
could potentially ignore the incomplete listings just like they do with the sets.
Erikk
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| | | | | Author: | RecycledBrick | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 18:38 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 18:49 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
| | Whether it was official or unofficial rule I have always had the understanding
that incomplete minifigs aren’t allowed and I have been on Bricklink for a long
time. I have never sold an incomplete minifig and never have bought one. Here
or eBay. If I have a good one I buy the piece to complete it. If it is a rare
piece I part the minifig into parts. Usually it is the expensive piece I am missing
I am against this because it is not needed. IF this was allowed sellers would
have to upload a picture of what they are selling, not affect the price guide
and not come up in searches. Then it can be just listed as a custom item which
can be done now
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Years ago when I first started selling, I had minifigs listed with 'No Cape'
that were removed by BrickLink. I've never bothered with incomplete figs
ever since. I find that people buy the separate parts just fine.
I think incomplete figs should not be allowed unless their sales don't affect
the price guide for complete ones.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | waltzking | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 19:03 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
| | Whether it was official or unofficial rule I have always had the understanding
that incomplete minifigs aren’t allowed and I have been on Bricklink for a long
time. I have never sold an incomplete minifig and never have bought one. Here
or eBay. If I have a good one I buy the piece to complete it. If it is a rare
piece I part the minifig into parts. Usually it is the expensive piece I am missing
I am against this because it is not needed. IF this was allowed sellers would
have to upload a picture of what they are selling, not affect the price guide
and not come up in searches. Then it can be just listed as a custom item which
can be done now
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Years ago when I first started selling, I had minifigs listed with 'No Cape'
that were removed by BrickLink. I've never bothered with incomplete figs
ever since. I find that people buy the separate parts just fine.
I think incomplete figs should not be allowed unless their sales don't affect
the price guide for complete ones.
Jen
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Implementing user friendly, and fully optional features just because they are
deemed "not needed" is a really bad way to build a buyer-friendly site. Much
that makes BrickLink what is is is certainly "not needed" by everyone, though
all is highly useful to the right person. This would be too for those interested...again
it would be optional and filterable by default just like sets. And of course
it would in no way affect the standard minifigure price guide and results. Buyers
can sort them out same as sets, or even search only incomplete. It is a win
win for everyone (like it, use it, or not), so let those who like/need/want it
have the option at least. It certainly cannot hurt anything.
Jonathan
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 19:05 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
| | Whether it was official or unofficial rule I have always had the understanding
that incomplete minifigs aren’t allowed and I have been on Bricklink for a long
time. I have never sold an incomplete minifig and never have bought one. Here
or eBay. If I have a good one I buy the piece to complete it. If it is a rare
piece I part the minifig into parts. Usually it is the expensive piece I am missing
I am against this because it is not needed. IF this was allowed sellers would
have to upload a picture of what they are selling, not affect the price guide
and not come up in searches. Then it can be just listed as a custom item which
can be done now
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Years ago when I first started selling, I had minifigs listed with 'No Cape'
that were removed by BrickLink. I've never bothered with incomplete figs
ever since. I find that people buy the separate parts just fine.
I think incomplete figs should not be allowed unless their sales don't affect
the price guide for complete ones.
Jen
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Implementing user friendly, and fully optional features just because they are
deemed "not needed" is a really bad way to build a buyer-friendly site. Much
that makes BrickLink what is is is certainly "not needed" by everyone, though
all is highly useful to the right person. This would be too for those interested...again
it would be optional and filterable by default just like sets. And of course
it would in no way affect the standard minifigure price guide and results. Buyers
can sort them out same as sets, or even search only incomplete. It is a win
win for everyone (like it, use it, or not), so let those who like/need/want it
have the option at least. It certainly cannot hurt anything.
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+1 with any limitations deemed necessary to protect the price guide
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 19:09 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
| | Whether it was official or unofficial rule I have always had the understanding
that incomplete minifigs aren’t allowed and I have been on Bricklink for a long
time. I have never sold an incomplete minifig and never have bought one. Here
or eBay. If I have a good one I buy the piece to complete it. If it is a rare
piece I part the minifig into parts. Usually it is the expensive piece I am missing
I am against this because it is not needed. IF this was allowed sellers would
have to upload a picture of what they are selling, not affect the price guide
and not come up in searches. Then it can be just listed as a custom item which
can be done now
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Years ago when I first started selling, I had minifigs listed with 'No Cape'
that were removed by BrickLink. I've never bothered with incomplete figs
ever since. I find that people buy the separate parts just fine.
I think incomplete figs should not be allowed unless their sales don't affect
the price guide for complete ones.
Jen
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Implementing user friendly, and fully optional features just because they are
deemed "not needed" is a really bad way to build a buyer-friendly site. Much
that makes BrickLink what is is is certainly "not needed" by everyone, though
all is highly useful to the right person. This would be too for those interested...again
it would be optional and filterable by default just like sets. And of course
it would in no way affect the standard minifigure price guide and results. Buyers
can sort them out same as sets, or even search only incomplete. It is a win
win for everyone (like it, use it, or not), so let those who like/need/want it
have the option at least. It certainly cannot hurt anything.
Jonathan
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Agreed!
I just really worry about BrickLink's ability to make any changes to the
site without breaking stuff. 
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | waltzking | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 20:20 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
| | Whether it was official or unofficial rule I have always had the understanding
that incomplete minifigs aren’t allowed and I have been on Bricklink for a long
time. I have never sold an incomplete minifig and never have bought one. Here
or eBay. If I have a good one I buy the piece to complete it. If it is a rare
piece I part the minifig into parts. Usually it is the expensive piece I am missing
I am against this because it is not needed. IF this was allowed sellers would
have to upload a picture of what they are selling, not affect the price guide
and not come up in searches. Then it can be just listed as a custom item which
can be done now
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Years ago when I first started selling, I had minifigs listed with 'No Cape'
that were removed by BrickLink. I've never bothered with incomplete figs
ever since. I find that people buy the separate parts just fine.
I think incomplete figs should not be allowed unless their sales don't affect
the price guide for complete ones.
Jen
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Implementing user friendly, and fully optional features just because they are
deemed "not needed" is a really bad way to build a buyer-friendly site. Much
that makes BrickLink what is is is certainly "not needed" by everyone, though
all is highly useful to the right person. This would be too for those interested...again
it would be optional and filterable by default just like sets. And of course
it would in no way affect the standard minifigure price guide and results. Buyers
can sort them out same as sets, or even search only incomplete. It is a win
win for everyone (like it, use it, or not), so let those who like/need/want it
have the option at least. It certainly cannot hurt anything.
Jonathan
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Agreed!
I just really worry about BrickLink's ability to make any changes to the
site without breaking stuff.
Jen
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Now that I can agree with. 
I am still baffled how a used lot selling out then combines the lot with my new
inventory for the same part. Have has so much trouble trying to find the X amount
of an item left (per the order page) when my drawer has exactly the quantity
ordered by the buyer...only to then see the link takes me to the opposite condition
parts, and the used lot (set to retain) is gone for good.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2021 08:34 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | Implementing user friendly, and fully optional features just because they are
deemed "not needed" is a really bad way to build a buyer-friendly site.
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I'm not sure that this particular feature is user-friendly or buyer-friendly
though. In fact I can imagine quite a bit of confusion from buyers upon buying
incomplete minifigs. I can also imagine some sellers abusing this feature the
same way that they abuse the incomplete set feature, and listing a rare head
or torso under the minifig instead of as a part.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 19:10 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
| | Whether it was official or unofficial rule I have always had the understanding
that incomplete minifigs aren’t allowed and I have been on Bricklink for a long
time. I have never sold an incomplete minifig and never have bought one. Here
or eBay. If I have a good one I buy the piece to complete it. If it is a rare
piece I part the minifig into parts. Usually it is the expensive piece I am missing
I am against this because it is not needed. IF this was allowed sellers would
have to upload a picture of what they are selling, not affect the price guide
and not come up in searches. Then it can be just listed as a custom item which
can be done now
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I think incomplete figs should not be allowed unless their sales don't affect
the price guide for complete ones.
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I agree. The price guide is what I had in mind with "new limitations"
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| | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 18:53 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
| | Whether it was official or unofficial rule I have always had the understanding
that incomplete minifigs aren’t allowed and I have been on Bricklink for a long
time. I have never sold an incomplete minifig and never have bought one. Here
or eBay. If I have a good one I buy the piece to complete it. If it is a rare
piece I part the minifig into parts. Usually it is the expensive piece I am missing
I am against this because it is not needed. IF this was allowed sellers would
have to upload a picture of what they are selling, not affect the price guide
and not come up in searches. Then it can be just listed as a custom item which
can be done now
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You're right about the rule, of course. But they've always had a space
within the listings. I too have never sold incomplete within the minifig listings:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1240913 But I have looked for and purchase
such from such listings. They've always been welcomed, especially when I've
had the missing parts to complete the figs.
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| | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 19:18 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 100 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | 1) If: "Sets" are a specific collection of parts.
2) And: Such collections of parts are still considered "sets" whether complete
or incomplete.
3) And: "Minifigures" are a specific collection of parts.
4) Then by logic: Such collections of parts are still considered "minifigures"
whether complete or incomplete.
Ergo, BrickLink is broken. One currently cannot list an incomplete minifigure.
They must instead be broken to their basic components and listed as single parts.....and
this makes no sense from both a logical standpoint or a buyer-friendly standpoint.
We NEED "incomplete/complete" definitions for minifigures (and for all inventoried
items for that matter) to keep this marketplace competitive. A $20 11-piece
minifigure missing an inconsequential part should be possible to list as "incomplete"
and defining the missing item. To have to break this nearly complete collection
composing the minifigure down to individual parts, pieces a seller likely does
not want to break apart given it is more desirable or worth more as a whole instead
of pieces, makes eBay a better marketplace for the item. eBay should NEVER be
a better option than BrickLink on the ability to list and sell LEGO. Something
is wrong with this site when this is the case.
PLEASE correct this and add the same complete/incomplete definitions for minifigures.
It certainly cannot hurt the marketplace and will actually improve it by helping
to eliminate the ever so common "missing ----" descriptions sellers often
currently use (though shouldn't) under the same catalog entry for the undefined
figure. Buyers shop specific figures, and as such should have the option to
buyer complete or incomplete as meets their needs.
Jonathan
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Sorry, but this suggestion will not be accepted. The issue isn't whether
we could develop a system to list incomplete minifigures - it's that we don't
feel this is best for the site. Incomplete sets are an exception that we tolerate
for some very specific reasons, such as vintage stickers. For incomplete minifigures,
we have other options that we feel will serve the needs of our users better.
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| | | | | | | Author: | waltzking | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 20:23 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | For incomplete minifigures, we have other options that we feel will serve the needs of our users better.
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Please elaborate on the "other options" as so far those have all been suppressed
or removed, not developed for our ease of use and made easily searchable to buyers.
Jonathan
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 20:29 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | | | For incomplete minifigures, we have other options that we feel will serve the needs of our users better.
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Please elaborate on the "other options" as so far those have all been suppressed
or removed, not developed for our ease of use and made easily searchable to buyers.
Jonathan
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You can either part out the incomplete minifigure, create a custom lot, or create
a super lot.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 20:49 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | | | For incomplete minifigures, we have other options that we feel will serve the needs of our users better.
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Please elaborate on the "other options" as so far those have all been suppressed
or removed, not developed for our ease of use and made easily searchable to buyers.
Jonathan
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You can either part out the incomplete minifigure, create a custom lot, or create
a super lot.
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Thanks, wildchicken! I'd add a 4th and 5th option: acquire the missing part/s,
or sell on another platform. Regarding the latter, I agree with waltzking's
sentiment...
"eBay should NEVER be a better option than BrickLink on the ability to list
and sell LEGO. Something is wrong with this site when this is the case."
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | waltzking | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 21:05 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | | | For incomplete minifigures, we have other options that we feel will serve the needs of our users better.
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Please elaborate on the "other options" as so far those have all been suppressed
or removed, not developed for our ease of use and made easily searchable to buyers.
Jonathan
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You can either part out the incomplete minifigure, create a custom lot, or create
a super lot.
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Those are NOT options that serve user needs better. Super-lots are removed from
search results by default, so a buyer not aware of this setting misses finding
these items at all. Custom lots have pretty much the same thing as it will not
be findable in any way associated with the actual minifigure, set, or minifigure
parts in the catalog. Part out option, the whole point of the post as this is
exactly what I do not want to do. In the current "suppressed" option of the
two above there is no option of value. So there is really no option that truly
"better serves the needs of users" given the only options offered are suppressed
and hidden ones only a savvy user would be able to find or use effectively.
And the listing process for super lots is super outdated. If that is deemed
as something that "better serves the needs of users" it really needs to be revised
and needs to be an on-page switchable filter like the "exclude incomplete" option
on all set catalog pages. If that were the case, making super-lots easily visible
to all users, then I'd agree, it can work as a viable alternate. But suppressing
all linked items, via a hidden setting, is not a user friendly option or alternative.
Jonathan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 21:58 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | In Suggestions, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | | | For incomplete minifigures, we have other options that we feel will serve the needs of our users better.
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Please elaborate on the "other options" as so far those have all been suppressed
or removed, not developed for our ease of use and made easily searchable to buyers.
Jonathan
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You can either part out the incomplete minifigure, create a custom lot, or create
a super lot.
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Those are NOT options that serve user needs better. Super-lots are removed from
search results by default, so a buyer not aware of this setting misses finding
these items at all. Custom lots have pretty much the same thing as it will not
be findable in any way associated with the actual minifigure, set, or minifigure
parts in the catalog. Part out option, the whole point of the post as this is
exactly what I do not want to do. In the current "suppressed" option of the
two above there is no option of value. So there is really no option that truly
"better serves the needs of users" given the only options offered are suppressed
and hidden ones only a savvy user would be able to find or use effectively.
And the listing process for super lots is super outdated. If that is deemed
as something that "better serves the needs of users" it really needs to be revised
and needs to be an on-page switchable filter like the "exclude incomplete" option
on all set catalog pages. If that were the case, making super-lots easily visible
to all users, then I'd agree, it can work as a viable alternate. But suppressing
all linked items, via a hidden setting, is not a user friendly option or alternative.
Jonathan
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BrickLink does not encourage sellers to use super lots. We tolerate them as a
legacy function.
As others have said, you can list them as individual parts, which is really what
the site prefers that you do. We are primarily a parts website. That is the thing
that BrickLink does better than any other site.
You can also list as custom items, and they are searchable under the category
tree in the catalog. They are completely visible in minifig searches and filters
within a store, and are a second-best option next to listing the parts.
If eBay is a better marketplace to list minifigs without legs and heads, then
so be it. They are unquestionably the best place to find unsorted lots. We do
not want junk entries cluttering up the BrickLink listings that people see at
the foot of a catalog entry.
To the extent that we can, we want to make sure the customer is getting what
they see on the page, where there is no inconsistency between the product they
see in the image and the one they get in the package.
Like I said earlier, the incomplete set option is a necessary concession due
to the nature of some LEGO sets, especially if we keep the listing standards
high.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | waltzking | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 22:20 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | In Suggestions, wildchicken13 writes:
| | In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | | | For incomplete minifigures, we have other options that we feel will serve the needs of our users better.
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Please elaborate on the "other options" as so far those have all been suppressed
or removed, not developed for our ease of use and made easily searchable to buyers.
Jonathan
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You can either part out the incomplete minifigure, create a custom lot, or create
a super lot.
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Those are NOT options that serve user needs better. Super-lots are removed from
search results by default, so a buyer not aware of this setting misses finding
these items at all. Custom lots have pretty much the same thing as it will not
be findable in any way associated with the actual minifigure, set, or minifigure
parts in the catalog. Part out option, the whole point of the post as this is
exactly what I do not want to do. In the current "suppressed" option of the
two above there is no option of value. So there is really no option that truly
"better serves the needs of users" given the only options offered are suppressed
and hidden ones only a savvy user would be able to find or use effectively.
And the listing process for super lots is super outdated. If that is deemed
as something that "better serves the needs of users" it really needs to be revised
and needs to be an on-page switchable filter like the "exclude incomplete" option
on all set catalog pages. If that were the case, making super-lots easily visible
to all users, then I'd agree, it can work as a viable alternate. But suppressing
all linked items, via a hidden setting, is not a user friendly option or alternative.
Jonathan
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BrickLink does not encourage sellers to use super lots. We tolerate them as a
legacy function.
As others have said, you can list them as individual parts, which is really what
the site prefers that you do. We are primarily a parts website. That is the thing
that BrickLink does better than any other site.
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Yes, but the "parts" draw is simply the fact one can shop something less than
a full set, not specifically bricks and plates, etc. Minifigures are a large
(if not the largest) value category of all in the "less than a set" sales category.
Minifigures are as, if not more collectable, than sets these days. It is what
sells a set and typically is 30-50% of a sets value in parts.
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You can also list as custom items, and they are searchable under the category
tree in the catalog. They are completely visible in minifig searches and filters
within a store, and are a second-best option next to listing the parts.
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We will likely resort to this as an only option, though not as desirable on a
selling standpoint, and not well viewable to buyers except once in our shop.
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If eBay is a better marketplace to list minifigs without legs and heads, then
so be it. They are unquestionably the best place to find unsorted lots. We do
not want junk entries cluttering up the BrickLink listings that people see at
the foot of a catalog entry.
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We never have listed figures missing body parts, that's clearly not a figure
but parts. Missing a hood, cap or range finder is another matter (in my view).
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To the extent that we can, we want to make sure the customer is getting what
they see on the page, where there is no inconsistency between the product they
see in the image and the one they get in the package.
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I agree, but requiring custom photos with the "incomplete" sub-condition can
solve this, which we do add for such items.
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Like I said earlier, the incomplete set option is a necessary concession due
to the nature of some LEGO sets, especially if we keep the listing standards
high.
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Then I would suggest changing the listing terms to define what is allowable.
If you want a high standard it should state such and limit what can even be
listed under the "incomplete" category to ensure this is the case. As is there
is really no standard to follow other than to list what isn't included.
This means I can list the minifigure missing hood as an incomplete set. Hmmm...I
may have found my best option for incomplete minifigure solution. (Joking of
course, though oddly it actually would follow the current rules.)
Jonathan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 7, 2021 06:47 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | Those are NOT options that serve user needs better. Super-lots are removed from
search results by default, so a buyer not aware of this setting misses finding
these items at all. Custom lots have pretty much the same thing as it will not
be findable in any way associated with the actual minifigure, set, or minifigure
parts in the catalog. Part out option, the whole point of the post as this is
exactly what I do not want to do. In the current "suppressed" option of the
two above there is no option of value. So there is really no option that truly
"better serves the needs of users" given the only options offered are suppressed
and hidden ones only a savvy user would be able to find or use effectively.
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So maybe incomplete minifigures should be allowed but not shown to users by default,
just like superlots. They should only be shown to a buyer if they understand
what they are doing when clicking on a button to say include incomplete figures.
But then if that approach is followed, you might as well just list as a custom.
As a buyer, trying to buy some figures used to be painful, since many of the
listings were not what the picture showed. This is especially true for characters
where one part is rare, and most of the listings were incomplete.
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So maybe incomplete minifigures should be allowed but not shown to users by default,
just like superlots. […]
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Won’t happen: superlots are a legacy feature that’s kept because it’s legacy.
Any new feature / implementation will be rejected.
IOW: “the site”¹ doesn’t want superlots but they are there so they stay, “the
site”¹ doesn’t want incomplete minifigs so they won’t be there.
(¹ Don’t anthropomorphize objects, they don’t like it.)
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Cob | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 21:07 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | | | For incomplete minifigures, we have other options that we feel will serve the needs of our users better.
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Please elaborate on the "other options" as so far those have all been suppressed
or removed, not developed for our ease of use and made easily searchable to buyers.
Jonathan
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https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102&viewType=shop
Incomplete Minifigs - All minifigs, both New and Used, must be listed as Complete.
Incomplete minifigs should be broken down and listed as parts, or listed in the
custom items section with a custom photo and clear description.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Cob | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 21:11 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | Incomplete sets are an exception that we tolerate
for some very specific reasons, such as vintage stickers.
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Please explain further what is meant by "very specific reasons"
To me it means that BrickLink does not want incomplete sets and an incomplete
set is the exception and should be a low percentage of the lots for sale.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | waltzking | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 21:40 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Cob writes:
| | | | Incomplete sets are an exception that we tolerate
for some very specific reasons, such as vintage stickers.
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Please explain further what is meant by "very specific reasons"
To me it means that BrickLink does not want incomplete sets and an incomplete
set is the exception and should be a low percentage of the lots for sale.
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Yeah, that baffles me too. Seems if that is why "incomplete" for sets even exists
the listing rules need to state so. And in that case why even have it? Such
rare cases of incomplete sets can also just be listed as custom lots. It all
makes no sense...but so does the fact we never get notified by email of any important
changes to the site. Just random stuff like 20th anniversary promos, and other
much useless "don't need to know" sales gibberish.
Stop fixing "specs" in our listings (like policing a few listings for figures
incomplete) and overlooking the "logs" in your own department (numerous site
functionality bugs, no communication, etc.) clunking up the site as a whole.
The one does not affect usability. The other is the basis of a reliable working
website.
Jonathan
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 19:29 | | Subject: | Re: BrickLink is BROKEN (minifig subcondition) | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | 1) If: "Sets" are a specific collection of parts.
2) And: Such collections of parts are still considered "sets" whether complete
or incomplete.
3) And: "Minifigures" are a specific collection of parts.
4) Then by logic: Such collections of parts are still considered "minifigures"
whether complete or incomplete.
Ergo, BrickLink is broken. One currently cannot list an incomplete minifigure.
They must instead be broken to their basic components and listed as single parts.....and
this makes no sense from both a logical standpoint or a buyer-friendly standpoint.
We NEED "incomplete/complete" definitions for minifigures (and for all inventoried
items for that matter) to keep this marketplace competitive. A $20 11-piece
minifigure missing an inconsequential part should be possible to list as "incomplete"
and defining the missing item. To have to break this nearly complete collection
composing the minifigure down to individual parts, pieces a seller likely does
not want to break apart given it is more desirable or worth more as a whole instead
of pieces, makes eBay a better marketplace for the item. eBay should NEVER be
a better option than BrickLink on the ability to list and sell LEGO. Something
is wrong with this site when this is the case.
PLEASE correct this and add the same complete/incomplete definitions for minifigures.
It certainly cannot hurt the marketplace and will actually improve it by helping
to eliminate the ever so common "missing ----" descriptions sellers often
currently use (though shouldn't) under the same catalog entry for the undefined
figure. Buyers shop specific figures, and as such should have the option to
buyer complete or incomplete as meets their needs.
Jonathan
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Well there you go, Jonathan. It's custom listing, superlot or partout for
those incomplete minifigs.
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