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 Author: tracy0 View Messages Posted By tracy0
 Posted: Dec 23, 2020 08:27
 Subject: 2x2 Brick - which is correct?
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tracy0 (9123)

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Hi

 
Part No: 3003  Name: Brick 2 x 2
* 
3003 Brick 2 x 2
Parts: Brick

 
Part No: 3003old  Name: Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* 
3003old Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
Parts: Brick


Question for all you purists

3003 has inside supports, 3003old doesn't - no problem with that

The trans coloured ones (i have trans-green to hand), do not have the internal
supports, but are treated at 3003 and not 3003old, as they are still being produced.

Surely this is incorrect

Can someone explain why bricks modelled as 3003old are being labelled as 3003
- and how do you explain that to someone if they wanted to add a red brick to
the catalogue!

Thanks

tpr
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Dec 23, 2020 08:53
 Subject: Re: 2x2 Brick - which is correct?
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IMO the seperate catelog entry 3003old is questionable. 3001old and 3002old are
clear, these do not have cross support as 3001 and 3002 do. But 3003 does not
come with cross support, and never have. However 3001 and 3002 do come with and
without inner supports but there is no seperate entry for those. So why 3003old?
I do not know. Clearly it raises more questions than answers.

In Catalog, tpr writes:
  Hi

 
Part No: 3003  Name: Brick 2 x 2
* 
3003 Brick 2 x 2
Parts: Brick

 
Part No: 3003old  Name: Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* 
3003old Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
Parts: Brick


Question for all you purists

3003 has inside supports, 3003old doesn't - no problem with that

The trans coloured ones (i have trans-green to hand), do not have the internal
supports, but are treated at 3003 and not 3003old, as they are still being produced.

Surely this is incorrect

Can someone explain why bricks modelled as 3003old are being labelled as 3003
- and how do you explain that to someone if they wanted to add a red brick to
the catalogue!

Thanks

tpr
 Author: tracy0 View Messages Posted By tracy0
 Posted: Dec 23, 2020 08:57
 Subject: Re: 2x2 Brick - which is correct?
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In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
  IMO the seperate catelog entry 3003old is questionable. 3001old and 3002old are
clear, these do not have cross support as 3001 and 3002 do. But 3003 does not
come with cross support, and never have. However 3001 and 3002 do come with and
without inner supports but there is no seperate entry for those. So why 3003old?
I do not know. Clearly it raises more questions than answers.

In Catalog, tpr writes:
  Hi

 
Part No: 3003  Name: Brick 2 x 2
* 
3003 Brick 2 x 2
Parts: Brick

 
Part No: 3003old  Name: Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* 
3003old Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
Parts: Brick


Question for all you purists

3003 has inside supports, 3003old doesn't - no problem with that

The trans coloured ones (i have trans-green to hand), do not have the internal
supports, but are treated at 3003 and not 3003old, as they are still being produced.

Surely this is incorrect

Can someone explain why bricks modelled as 3003old are being labelled as 3003
- and how do you explain that to someone if they wanted to add a red brick to
the catalogue!

Thanks

tpr

Hi

The "supports" in 3003 are more like friction ridges - not supports

tpr
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Dec 23, 2020 09:03
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In Catalog, tpr writes:
  In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
  IMO the seperate catelog entry 3003old is questionable. 3001old and 3002old are
clear, these do not have cross support as 3001 and 3002 do. But 3003 does not
come with cross support, and never have. However 3001 and 3002 do come with and
without inner supports but there is no seperate entry for those. So why 3003old?
I do not know. Clearly it raises more questions than answers.

In Catalog, tpr writes:
  Hi

 
Part No: 3003  Name: Brick 2 x 2
* 
3003 Brick 2 x 2
Parts: Brick

 
Part No: 3003old  Name: Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* 
3003old Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
Parts: Brick


Question for all you purists

3003 has inside supports, 3003old doesn't - no problem with that

The trans coloured ones (i have trans-green to hand), do not have the internal
supports, but are treated at 3003 and not 3003old, as they are still being produced.

Surely this is incorrect

Can someone explain why bricks modelled as 3003old are being labelled as 3003
- and how do you explain that to someone if they wanted to add a red brick to
the catalogue!

Thanks

tpr

Hi

The "supports" in 3003 are more like friction ridges - not supports

tpr

Afaik the walls of the brick are slightly thinner then older bricks, to save
on plastic, hence the supports or ridges
 Author: maxx3001 View Messages Posted By maxx3001
 Posted: Dec 23, 2020 09:08
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In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
  IMO the seperate catelog entry 3003old is questionable. 3001old and 3002old are
clear, these do not have cross support as 3001 and 3002 do. But 3003 does not
come with cross support, and never have. However 3001 and 3002 do come with and
without inner supports but there is no seperate entry for those. So why 3003old?
I do not know. Clearly it raises more questions than answers.

The inner supports talked about are the ribs on the thin sides, the old bricks
had thick walls.
I think you mixed up the cross supports with those.
Maybe come back to LEGO more

Anyway, the 3003old does have a function for the older thick walled 3003 bricks.
But as the OP points out, there are still thick walled bricks being made.
Especially in trans colors.

I would add the new 3003 thick walled bricks under 3003, not 3003old.

Maxx

  In Catalog, tpr writes:
  Hi

 
Part No: 3003  Name: Brick 2 x 2
* 
3003 Brick 2 x 2
Parts: Brick

 
Part No: 3003old  Name: Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* 
3003old Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
Parts: Brick


Question for all you purists

3003 has inside supports, 3003old doesn't - no problem with that

The trans coloured ones (i have trans-green to hand), do not have the internal
supports, but are treated at 3003 and not 3003old, as they are still being produced.

Surely this is incorrect

Can someone explain why bricks modelled as 3003old are being labelled as 3003
- and how do you explain that to someone if they wanted to add a red brick to
the catalogue!

Thanks

tpr
 Author: tracy0 View Messages Posted By tracy0
 Posted: Dec 23, 2020 09:44
 Subject: Re: 2x2 Brick - which is correct?
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Hi

But if you have a second hand thick walled 2x2 brick, how do you know if it is
a 3003old if you are putting new ones in 3003?

tpr


In Catalog, maxx3001 writes:
  In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
  IMO the seperate catelog entry 3003old is questionable. 3001old and 3002old are
clear, these do not have cross support as 3001 and 3002 do. But 3003 does not
come with cross support, and never have. However 3001 and 3002 do come with and
without inner supports but there is no seperate entry for those. So why 3003old?
I do not know. Clearly it raises more questions than answers.

The inner supports talked about are the ribs on the thin sides, the old bricks
had thick walls.
I think you mixed up the cross supports with those.
Maybe come back to LEGO more

Anyway, the 3003old does have a function for the older thick walled 3003 bricks.
But as the OP points out, there are still thick walled bricks being made.
Especially in trans colors.

I would add the new 3003 thick walled bricks under 3003, not 3003old.

Maxx

  In Catalog, tpr writes:
  Hi

 
Part No: 3003  Name: Brick 2 x 2
* 
3003 Brick 2 x 2
Parts: Brick

 
Part No: 3003old  Name: Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* 
3003old Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
Parts: Brick


Question for all you purists

3003 has inside supports, 3003old doesn't - no problem with that

The trans coloured ones (i have trans-green to hand), do not have the internal
supports, but are treated at 3003 and not 3003old, as they are still being produced.

Surely this is incorrect

Can someone explain why bricks modelled as 3003old are being labelled as 3003
- and how do you explain that to someone if they wanted to add a red brick to
the catalogue!

Thanks

tpr
 Author: maxx3001 View Messages Posted By maxx3001
 Posted: Dec 23, 2020 09:57
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In Catalog, tpr writes:
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But if you have a second hand thick walled 2x2 brick, how do you know if it is
a 3003old if you are putting new ones in 3003?

By your own choice of where you think it will sell best.

There is nothing holding you from uploading 3003old, 3002old and 3001old under
the 3003, 3002 and 3001 listings....

These extra listings were only made to make it easier for old set restorers to
find the right parts.

See picture, both are 3001, but the trans-black has thin walls while the trans-clear
has thick walls.
Both are still 2x4 bricks, like how humans will always be part of the great ape
family.
 
 Author: askdrhook View Messages Posted By askdrhook
 Posted: May 29, 2024 06:13
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In Catalog, maxx3001 writes:

  These extra listings were only made to make it easier for old set restorers to
find the right parts.

I'm one of these restorers and I don't mind, if there is some generic
part listing in the inventory first. But I want an opportunity to drill down
for each part, which variants are known. At least I want to have some estimated
time frame from when til when certain variants were common.

A linked discussion per set, in which proven part variants may be shown, would
be the perfect solution, because it may shed some light if varying part combinations
really existed in original packages (which I dare to doubt even in long production
periods).

So there should definitely be a way for lovers of deeper insight to find such
info on BrickLink - where else?