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 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Nov 15, 2020 02:16
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 183-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V

* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}

Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.
 Author: TakeAbricK View Messages Posted By TakeAbricK
 Posted: Mar 26, 2022 13:30
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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V

* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}

Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.


For the turntables I would like to see proof. Not only for 3403c01, but also
for the older variant.

1. I only found instructions with the old turntable, is there another instruction?

2. If 3403c01 really appeared in this set as alternate, does it only replace
the old turntable, or also the 4x4 black plate (hight doesn't seem to matter,
and plate would not be needed anymore). A different instruction could provide
proof.

3. Did this set come first with 3404ac01 or 3404ac02?

In order of release
 
Part No: 3404ac01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted
* 
3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted
Parts: Turntable {Black}
 
Part No: 3404ac02  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
* 
3404ac02 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
Parts: Turntable {Black}
not known in any set so far in black
added to the catalog in 2007, far after most inventories were added, including
this inventory
 
Part No: 3403c01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
* 
3403c01 (Inv) Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
Parts: Turntable {Black}

In a previous request for set 357-1, you say 3404ac02 was found in early as well
as later releases of this set

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=258838

 
Set No: 357  Name: Fire Station
* 
357-1 (Inv) Fire Station
219 Parts, 1973
Sets: LEGOLAND: Fire
was sold 1972-1975

In your other request for set 724, you are saying that 3404ac02 was probably
produced somewhere between 1974-1975.

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=312568

 
Set No: 724  Name: 12V Diesel Locomotive with Crane and Tipper Wagon
* 
724-1 (Inv) 12V Diesel Locomotive with Crane and Tipper Wagon
147 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 12V
was sold in 1972-1975 also.

I checked a few sets from my collection, they all had 3404ac01, except for one.
 
Set No: 902  Name: 5 Turntables
* 
902-1 (Inv) 5 Turntables
5 Parts, 1969
Sets: Classic: Supplemental
sealed, 1969-1972
 
Set No: 132  Name: Port Crane and Flat Waggon
* 
132-2 (Inv) Port Crane and Flat Waggon
58 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 4.5V
boxed, mint parts, 1972 only?
 
Set No: 7  Name: Basic Set
* 
7-3 (Inv) Basic Set
412 Parts, 1973
Sets: Universal Building Set: Basic Set
boxed, mint parts, 1973-1975
 
Set No: 938  Name: Plates, Hinges and Turntables
* 
938-1 (Inv) Plates, Hinges and Turntables
17 Parts, 1973
Sets: Universal Building Set: Supplemental
opened a second sealed box, still only 3404ac01, box copyright 1973,
no paperwork, 1973-1976
 
Set No: 811  Name: Gear Crane Set
* 
811-2 (Inv) Gear Crane Set
181 Parts, 1974
Sets: Universal Building Set: Gears
boxed, used, 1974-1975
 
Set No: 364  Name: Harbour Scene
* 
364-1 (Inv) Harbour Scene
470 Parts, 7 Minifigures, 1975
Sets: LEGOLAND: Harbor
two used boxed sets, with all innerboxes and original stickered parts,
1 box has 3404ac01 and one has 3404ac02. Since this set was sold in 1975-1976
I will add 3404ac02 as alternate.

Unfortunately all other sets I have with black turntables are packed

As far as I can tell by my catalogues set 183 was sold in 1976 and 1977 only.
It now has the oldest variant in the inventory, you want to add the newest variant
as alternate and I am wondering if the middle one shouldn't be in the inventory.
I wonder why ?

Unfortunately I only found the box and instruction from my set so far. The train
was build and put away assembled in one of the boxes somewhere. So I can't
check the train from my own collection right now. The internet doesn't help
much either.

I approved the change requests for the windows, because of info I already had,
although in a previous request you removed one (you now added again), with the
comments that it had those windows with glass, although the set was of a later
version. So for future requests, please don't just delete variants, unless
you are certain they didn't come in the set.

I believe your previous requests were based on images from other members. What
a pity you didn't ask about the turntables and instructions back then. If
you still have proof though, please add images. 3 variants of turntables in a
set that was sold for only 2 years, seems a bit too much.

Diana


PS:
For my memory:
if this change request is approved, change match-id's to 4 afterwards
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Mar 26, 2022 18:49
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 183-1
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In Inventories Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V

* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}

Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.


For the turntables I would like to see proof. Not only for 3403c01, but also
for the older variant.

1. I only found instructions with the old turntable, is there another instruction?

My copy is mint, bought from Australia.
The instructions are the same. Photos to be followed.

  
2. If 3403c01 really appeared in this set as alternate, does it only replace
the old turntable, or also the 4x4 black plate (hight doesn't seem to matter,
and plate would not be needed anymore). A different instruction could provide
proof.

In my copy, a 4x4 black plate is also included and it is perdio-correct. All
parts are period correct.
Since there exists only one version of instructions, such proof cannot exists..

  
3. Did this set come first with 3404ac01 or 3404ac02?

I have never seen 3404ac02 in any used copy of this set.

  
In order of release
 
Part No: 3404ac01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted
* 
3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted
Parts: Turntable {Black}
 
Part No: 3404ac02  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
* 
3404ac02 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
Parts: Turntable {Black}
not known in any set so far in black
added to the catalog in 2007, far after most inventories were added, including
this inventory

I do have a black
 
Part No: 3404ac02  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
* 
3404ac02 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
Parts: Turntable {Black}

among my turntables but I do not know in what lot and among what sets I got it.

  
 
Part No: 3403c01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
* 
3403c01 (Inv) Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
Parts: Turntable {Black}

In a previous request for set 357-1, you say 3404ac02 was found in early as well
as later releases of this set

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=258838

 
Set No: 357  Name: Fire Station
* 
357-1 (Inv) Fire Station
219 Parts, 1973
Sets: LEGOLAND: Fire
was sold 1972-1975

In your other request for set 724, you are saying that 3404ac02 was probably
produced somewhere between 1974-1975.

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=312568

 
Set No: 724  Name: 12V Diesel Locomotive with Crane and Tipper Wagon
* 
724-1 (Inv) 12V Diesel Locomotive with Crane and Tipper Wagon
147 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 12V
was sold in 1972-1975 also.

I checked a few sets from my collection, they all had 3404ac01, except for one.
 
Set No: 902  Name: 5 Turntables
* 
902-1 (Inv) 5 Turntables
5 Parts, 1969
Sets: Classic: Supplemental
sealed, 1969-1972
 
Set No: 132  Name: Port Crane and Flat Waggon
* 
132-2 (Inv) Port Crane and Flat Waggon
58 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 4.5V
boxed, mint parts, 1972 only?

1972 and 1973
https://worldbricks.com/en/catalog-year/1970/catalogs-1973.html

  
 
Set No: 7  Name: Basic Set
* 
7-3 (Inv) Basic Set
412 Parts, 1973
Sets: Universal Building Set: Basic Set
boxed, mint parts, 1973-1975
 
Set No: 938  Name: Plates, Hinges and Turntables
* 
938-1 (Inv) Plates, Hinges and Turntables
17 Parts, 1973
Sets: Universal Building Set: Supplemental
opened a second sealed box, still only 3404ac01, box copyright 1973,
no paperwork, 1973-1976
 
Set No: 811  Name: Gear Crane Set
* 
811-2 (Inv) Gear Crane Set
181 Parts, 1974
Sets: Universal Building Set: Gears
boxed, used, 1974-1975
 
Set No: 364  Name: Harbour Scene
* 
364-1 (Inv) Harbour Scene
470 Parts, 7 Minifigures, 1975
Sets: LEGOLAND: Harbor
two used boxed sets, with all innerboxes and original stickered parts,
1 box has 3404ac01 and one has 3404ac02. Since this set was sold in 1975-1976
I will add 3404ac02 as alternate.

Unfortunately all other sets I have with black turntables are packed

As far as I can tell by my catalogues set 183 was sold in 1976 and 1977 only.
It now has the oldest variant in the inventory, you want to add the newest variant
as alternate and I am wondering if the middle one shouldn't be in the inventory.
I wonder why ?

Few years ago, I tried to check many used copies on Ebay,... and see which set
came with
 
Part No: 3404ac02  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
* 
3404ac02 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
Parts: Turntable
I failed to find one single copy coming with this, except recently I found two
copies of 12v train 724-1 with red 3404ac02.

My understanding is that this 3404ac02 had a short production, probably few months,
and it is not sure if it came with all sets produced in 1975. It may also depend
on the factory where it was produced. In Canada, I got two 357 with red 3404ac02
but I did not find photos of any other used copy of 357 in the USA coming with
3404ac02!

  
Unfortunately I only found the box and instruction from my set so far. The train
was build and put away assembled in one of the boxes somewhere. So I can't
check the train from my own collection right now. The internet doesn't help
much either.

I approved the change requests for the windows, because of info I already had,
although in a previous request you removed one (you now added again), with the
comments that it had those windows with glass, although the set was of a later
version. So for future requests, please don't just delete variants, unless
you are certain they didn't come in the set.

This was somehow a mistake. At the time, I had to either request to keep the
other window, or wait to see if I can find more evidence.
After 2018, I found out I could check the production dates of black 4.5v motor
by opening the motor. So I requested about 10 sellers on Ebay,... to do so and
made a table of them so that I could find the transit-time.
Now, I am quite sure the trains from 1975-77 came with both windows with glass,
or without glass. Based on my findings, TLG mixed both types of windows. So some
trains produced in 1976 came with glazed windows and some without. I think the
same about those produced in 1977 but I have to retrieve my old files in a broken
laptop. Anyway, it really does not matter for this request because I know both
windows came with this set.

My copy 183 bought from Australia has production date 02.09.76 and it has a catalog
of 1977 inside the box. The windows have glass. I have got photos of many other
used 183 from even 1976 that came with windows without glass.

  
I believe your previous requests were based on images from other members. What
a pity you didn't ask about the turntables and instructions back then. If
you still have proof though, please add images.

At the time, I did not know about turtables.

  3 variants of turntables in a
set that was sold for only 2 years, seems a bit too much.

Only found two turntables. Obviously,
 
Part No: 3403c01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
* 
3403c01 (Inv) Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
Parts: Turntable
was produced since 1977.
I have seen 3403c01 in multiple copies and with black 4x4 plate.
  
Diana


PS:
For my memory:
if this change request is approved, change match-id's to 4 afterwards
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Mar 26, 2022 21:00
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Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Jan 15, 2015 Contact Member Seller
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Inventories Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V

* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}

Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.


For the turntables I would like to see proof. Not only for 3403c01, but also
for the older variant.

1. I only found instructions with the old turntable, is there another instruction?

2. If 3403c01 really appeared in this set as alternate, does it only replace
the old turntable, or also the 4x4 black plate (hight doesn't seem to matter,
and plate would not be needed anymore). A different instruction could provide
proof.

3. Did this set come first with 3404ac01 or 3404ac02?

In order of release
 
Part No: 3404ac01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted
* 
3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted
Parts: Turntable {Black}
 
Part No: 3404ac02  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
* 
3404ac02 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
Parts: Turntable {Black}
not known in any set so far in black
added to the catalog in 2007, far after most inventories were added, including
this inventory
 
Part No: 3403c01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
* 
3403c01 (Inv) Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
Parts: Turntable {Black}

In a previous request for set 357-1, you say 3404ac02 was found in early as well
as later releases of this set

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=258838

 
Set No: 357  Name: Fire Station
* 
357-1 (Inv) Fire Station
219 Parts, 1973
Sets: LEGOLAND: Fire
was sold 1972-1975

In your other request for set 724, you are saying that 3404ac02 was probably
produced somewhere between 1974-1975.

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=312568

 
Set No: 724  Name: 12V Diesel Locomotive with Crane and Tipper Wagon
* 
724-1 (Inv) 12V Diesel Locomotive with Crane and Tipper Wagon
147 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 12V
was sold in 1972-1975 also.

I checked a few sets from my collection, they all had 3404ac01, except for one.
 
Set No: 902  Name: 5 Turntables
* 
902-1 (Inv) 5 Turntables
5 Parts, 1969
Sets: Classic: Supplemental
sealed, 1969-1972
 
Set No: 132  Name: Port Crane and Flat Waggon
* 
132-2 (Inv) Port Crane and Flat Waggon
58 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 4.5V
boxed, mint parts, 1972 only?
 
Set No: 7  Name: Basic Set
* 
7-3 (Inv) Basic Set
412 Parts, 1973
Sets: Universal Building Set: Basic Set
boxed, mint parts, 1973-1975
 
Set No: 938  Name: Plates, Hinges and Turntables
* 
938-1 (Inv) Plates, Hinges and Turntables
17 Parts, 1973
Sets: Universal Building Set: Supplemental
opened a second sealed box, still only 3404ac01, box copyright 1973,
no paperwork, 1973-1976
 
Set No: 811  Name: Gear Crane Set
* 
811-2 (Inv) Gear Crane Set
181 Parts, 1974
Sets: Universal Building Set: Gears
boxed, used, 1974-1975
 
Set No: 364  Name: Harbour Scene
* 
364-1 (Inv) Harbour Scene
470 Parts, 7 Minifigures, 1975
Sets: LEGOLAND: Harbor
two used boxed sets, with all innerboxes and original stickered parts,
1 box has 3404ac01 and one has 3404ac02. Since this set was sold in 1975-1976
I will add 3404ac02 as alternate.

Unfortunately all other sets I have with black turntables are packed

As far as I can tell by my catalogues set 183 was sold in 1976 and 1977 only.
It now has the oldest variant in the inventory, you want to add the newest variant
as alternate and I am wondering if the middle one shouldn't be in the inventory.
I wonder why ?

Unfortunately I only found the box and instruction from my set so far. The train
was build and put away assembled in one of the boxes somewhere. So I can't
check the train from my own collection right now. The internet doesn't help
much either.

I approved the change requests for the windows, because of info I already had,
although in a previous request you removed one (you now added again), with the
comments that it had those windows with glass, although the set was of a later
version. So for future requests, please don't just delete variants, unless
you are certain they didn't come in the set.

I believe your previous requests were based on images from other members. What
a pity you didn't ask about the turntables and instructions back then. If
you still have proof though, please add images. 3 variants of turntables in a
set that was sold for only 2 years, seems a bit too much.

Diana


PS:
For my memory:
if this change request is approved, change match-id's to 4 afterwards
 














 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Mar 26, 2022 21:01
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Inventories Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V

* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}

Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.


For the turntables I would like to see proof. Not only for 3403c01, but also
for the older variant.

1. I only found instructions with the old turntable, is there another instruction?

2. If 3403c01 really appeared in this set as alternate, does it only replace
the old turntable, or also the 4x4 black plate (hight doesn't seem to matter,
and plate would not be needed anymore). A different instruction could provide
proof.

3. Did this set come first with 3404ac01 or 3404ac02?

In order of release
 
Part No: 3404ac01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted
* 
3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted
Parts: Turntable {Black}
 
Part No: 3404ac02  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
* 
3404ac02 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
Parts: Turntable {Black}
not known in any set so far in black
added to the catalog in 2007, far after most inventories were added, including
this inventory
 
Part No: 3403c01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
* 
3403c01 (Inv) Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
Parts: Turntable {Black}

In a previous request for set 357-1, you say 3404ac02 was found in early as well
as later releases of this set

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=258838

 
Set No: 357  Name: Fire Station
* 
357-1 (Inv) Fire Station
219 Parts, 1973
Sets: LEGOLAND: Fire
was sold 1972-1975

In your other request for set 724, you are saying that 3404ac02 was probably
produced somewhere between 1974-1975.

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=312568

 
Set No: 724  Name: 12V Diesel Locomotive with Crane and Tipper Wagon
* 
724-1 (Inv) 12V Diesel Locomotive with Crane and Tipper Wagon
147 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 12V
was sold in 1972-1975 also.

I checked a few sets from my collection, they all had 3404ac01, except for one.
 
Set No: 902  Name: 5 Turntables
* 
902-1 (Inv) 5 Turntables
5 Parts, 1969
Sets: Classic: Supplemental
sealed, 1969-1972
 
Set No: 132  Name: Port Crane and Flat Waggon
* 
132-2 (Inv) Port Crane and Flat Waggon
58 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 4.5V
boxed, mint parts, 1972 only?
 
Set No: 7  Name: Basic Set
* 
7-3 (Inv) Basic Set
412 Parts, 1973
Sets: Universal Building Set: Basic Set
boxed, mint parts, 1973-1975
 
Set No: 938  Name: Plates, Hinges and Turntables
* 
938-1 (Inv) Plates, Hinges and Turntables
17 Parts, 1973
Sets: Universal Building Set: Supplemental
opened a second sealed box, still only 3404ac01, box copyright 1973,
no paperwork, 1973-1976
 
Set No: 811  Name: Gear Crane Set
* 
811-2 (Inv) Gear Crane Set
181 Parts, 1974
Sets: Universal Building Set: Gears
boxed, used, 1974-1975
 
Set No: 364  Name: Harbour Scene
* 
364-1 (Inv) Harbour Scene
470 Parts, 7 Minifigures, 1975
Sets: LEGOLAND: Harbor
two used boxed sets, with all innerboxes and original stickered parts,
1 box has 3404ac01 and one has 3404ac02. Since this set was sold in 1975-1976
I will add 3404ac02 as alternate.

Unfortunately all other sets I have with black turntables are packed

As far as I can tell by my catalogues set 183 was sold in 1976 and 1977 only.
It now has the oldest variant in the inventory, you want to add the newest variant
as alternate and I am wondering if the middle one shouldn't be in the inventory.
I wonder why ?

Unfortunately I only found the box and instruction from my set so far. The train
was build and put away assembled in one of the boxes somewhere. So I can't
check the train from my own collection right now. The internet doesn't help
much either.

I approved the change requests for the windows, because of info I already had,
although in a previous request you removed one (you now added again), with the
comments that it had those windows with glass, although the set was of a later
version. So for future requests, please don't just delete variants, unless
you are certain they didn't come in the set.

I believe your previous requests were based on images from other members. What
a pity you didn't ask about the turntables and instructions back then. If
you still have proof though, please add images. 3 variants of turntables in a
set that was sold for only 2 years, seems a bit too much.

Diana


PS:
For my memory:
if this change request is approved, change match-id's to 4 afterwards
 




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In Inventories Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V

* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}

Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.


For the turntables I would like to see proof. Not only for 3403c01, but also
for the older variant.

1. I only found instructions with the old turntable, is there another instruction?

2. If 3403c01 really appeared in this set as alternate, does it only replace
the old turntable, or also the 4x4 black plate (hight doesn't seem to matter,
and plate would not be needed anymore). A different instruction could provide
proof.

3. Did this set come first with 3404ac01 or 3404ac02?

In order of release
 
Part No: 3404ac01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted
* 
3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted
Parts: Turntable {Black}
 
Part No: 3404ac02  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
* 
3404ac02 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
Parts: Turntable {Black}
not known in any set so far in black
added to the catalog in 2007, far after most inventories were added, including
this inventory
 
Part No: 3403c01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
* 
3403c01 (Inv) Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
Parts: Turntable {Black}

In a previous request for set 357-1, you say 3404ac02 was found in early as well
as later releases of this set

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=258838

 
Set No: 357  Name: Fire Station
* 
357-1 (Inv) Fire Station
219 Parts, 1973
Sets: LEGOLAND: Fire
was sold 1972-1975

In your other request for set 724, you are saying that 3404ac02 was probably
produced somewhere between 1974-1975.

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=312568

 
Set No: 724  Name: 12V Diesel Locomotive with Crane and Tipper Wagon
* 
724-1 (Inv) 12V Diesel Locomotive with Crane and Tipper Wagon
147 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 12V
was sold in 1972-1975 also.

I checked a few sets from my collection, they all had 3404ac01, except for one.
 
Set No: 902  Name: 5 Turntables
* 
902-1 (Inv) 5 Turntables
5 Parts, 1969
Sets: Classic: Supplemental
sealed, 1969-1972
 
Set No: 132  Name: Port Crane and Flat Waggon
* 
132-2 (Inv) Port Crane and Flat Waggon
58 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 4.5V
boxed, mint parts, 1972 only?
 
Set No: 7  Name: Basic Set
* 
7-3 (Inv) Basic Set
412 Parts, 1973
Sets: Universal Building Set: Basic Set
boxed, mint parts, 1973-1975
 
Set No: 938  Name: Plates, Hinges and Turntables
* 
938-1 (Inv) Plates, Hinges and Turntables
17 Parts, 1973
Sets: Universal Building Set: Supplemental
opened a second sealed box, still only 3404ac01, box copyright 1973,
no paperwork, 1973-1976
 
Set No: 811  Name: Gear Crane Set
* 
811-2 (Inv) Gear Crane Set
181 Parts, 1974
Sets: Universal Building Set: Gears
boxed, used, 1974-1975
 
Set No: 364  Name: Harbour Scene
* 
364-1 (Inv) Harbour Scene
470 Parts, 7 Minifigures, 1975
Sets: LEGOLAND: Harbor
two used boxed sets, with all innerboxes and original stickered parts,
1 box has 3404ac01 and one has 3404ac02. Since this set was sold in 1975-1976
I will add 3404ac02 as alternate.

Unfortunately all other sets I have with black turntables are packed

As far as I can tell by my catalogues set 183 was sold in 1976 and 1977 only.
It now has the oldest variant in the inventory, you want to add the newest variant
as alternate and I am wondering if the middle one shouldn't be in the inventory.
I wonder why ?

Unfortunately I only found the box and instruction from my set so far. The train
was build and put away assembled in one of the boxes somewhere. So I can't
check the train from my own collection right now. The internet doesn't help
much either.

I approved the change requests for the windows, because of info I already had,
although in a previous request you removed one (you now added again), with the
comments that it had those windows with glass, although the set was of a later
version. So for future requests, please don't just delete variants, unless
you are certain they didn't come in the set.

I believe your previous requests were based on images from other members. What
a pity you didn't ask about the turntables and instructions back then. If
you still have proof though, please add images. 3 variants of turntables in a
set that was sold for only 2 years, seems a bit too much.

Diana


PS:
For my memory:
if this change request is approved, change match-id's to 4 afterwards

Two more remarks:

My turntables (white, red, black)
 
Part No: 3404ac02  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
* 
3404ac02 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
Parts: Turntable
does not have "pat pend" engraved underneath it.

The string of
 
Part No: bb0072c01  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right
* 
bb0072c01 (Inv) String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right
Parts: String Reel / Winch
is white. I have got other ones with white string too.
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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  In Inventories Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V

* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}

Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.


For the turntables I would like to see proof. Not only for 3403c01, but also
for the older variant.

1. I only found instructions with the old turntable, is there another instruction?

2. If 3403c01 really appeared in this set as alternate, does it only replace
the old turntable, or also the 4x4 black plate (hight doesn't seem to matter,
and plate would not be needed anymore). A different instruction could provide
proof.

3. Did this set come first with 3404ac01 or 3404ac02?

In order of release
 
Part No: 3404ac01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted
* 
3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted
Parts: Turntable {Black}
 
Part No: 3404ac02  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
* 
3404ac02 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
Parts: Turntable {Black}
not known in any set so far in black
added to the catalog in 2007, far after most inventories were added, including
this inventory
 
Part No: 3403c01  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
* 
3403c01 (Inv) Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with (Same Color) Top (3403 / 3404)
Parts: Turntable {Black}

In a previous request for set 357-1, you say 3404ac02 was found in early as well
as later releases of this set

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=258838

 
Set No: 357  Name: Fire Station
* 
357-1 (Inv) Fire Station
219 Parts, 1973
Sets: LEGOLAND: Fire
was sold 1972-1975

In your other request for set 724, you are saying that 3404ac02 was probably
produced somewhere between 1974-1975.

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=312568

 
Set No: 724  Name: 12V Diesel Locomotive with Crane and Tipper Wagon
* 
724-1 (Inv) 12V Diesel Locomotive with Crane and Tipper Wagon
147 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 12V
was sold in 1972-1975 also.

I checked a few sets from my collection, they all had 3404ac01, except for one.
 
Set No: 902  Name: 5 Turntables
* 
902-1 (Inv) 5 Turntables
5 Parts, 1969
Sets: Classic: Supplemental
sealed, 1969-1972
 
Set No: 132  Name: Port Crane and Flat Waggon
* 
132-2 (Inv) Port Crane and Flat Waggon
58 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 4.5V
boxed, mint parts, 1972 only?
 
Set No: 7  Name: Basic Set
* 
7-3 (Inv) Basic Set
412 Parts, 1973
Sets: Universal Building Set: Basic Set
boxed, mint parts, 1973-1975
 
Set No: 938  Name: Plates, Hinges and Turntables
* 
938-1 (Inv) Plates, Hinges and Turntables
17 Parts, 1973
Sets: Universal Building Set: Supplemental
opened a second sealed box, still only 3404ac01, box copyright 1973,
no paperwork, 1973-1976
 
Set No: 811  Name: Gear Crane Set
* 
811-2 (Inv) Gear Crane Set
181 Parts, 1974
Sets: Universal Building Set: Gears
boxed, used, 1974-1975
 
Set No: 364  Name: Harbour Scene
* 
364-1 (Inv) Harbour Scene
470 Parts, 7 Minifigures, 1975
Sets: LEGOLAND: Harbor
two used boxed sets, with all innerboxes and original stickered parts,
1 box has 3404ac01 and one has 3404ac02. Since this set was sold in 1975-1976
I will add 3404ac02 as alternate.

Unfortunately all other sets I have with black turntables are packed

As far as I can tell by my catalogues set 183 was sold in 1976 and 1977 only.
It now has the oldest variant in the inventory, you want to add the newest variant
as alternate and I am wondering if the middle one shouldn't be in the inventory.
I wonder why ?

Unfortunately I only found the box and instruction from my set so far. The train
was build and put away assembled in one of the boxes somewhere. So I can't
check the train from my own collection right now. The internet doesn't help
much either.

I approved the change requests for the windows, because of info I already had,
although in a previous request you removed one (you now added again), with the
comments that it had those windows with glass, although the set was of a later
version. So for future requests, please don't just delete variants, unless
you are certain they didn't come in the set.

I believe your previous requests were based on images from other members. What
a pity you didn't ask about the turntables and instructions back then. If
you still have proof though, please add images. 3 variants of turntables in a
set that was sold for only 2 years, seems a bit too much.

Diana


PS:
For my memory:
if this change request is approved, change match-id's to 4 afterwards

Two more remarks:

My turntables (white, red, black)
 
Part No: 3404ac02  Name: Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
* 
3404ac02 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted with Indented Base
Parts: Turntable
does not have "pat pend" engraved underneath it.

I found my set and it also has 3403c01

  
The string of
 
Part No: bb0072c01  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right
* 
bb0072c01 (Inv) String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right
Parts: String Reel / Winch
is white. I have got other ones with white string too.

I'm pretty sure these white strings are not original.
My set has
 
Part No: bb0073  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Red Drum and Crane Arm
* 
bb0073 String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Red Drum and Crane Arm
Parts: String Reel / Winch {Red}
and hook
 
Part No: 3127b  Name: Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Right
* 
3127b Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Right
Parts: Hook {Red}

Can you provide proof that the set also came with
 
Part No: bb0072  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm
* 
bb0072 String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm
Parts: String Reel / Winch {Red}
The drums I can see on your images are also red.

See:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1334867
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  I found my set and it also has 3403c01

Would you please check the production date of its black 4.5v motor?

Are the windows white
 
Part No: 27c01  Name: Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Trans-Clear Glass (27 / 27glass)
* 
27c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Trans-Clear Glass (27 / 27glass)
Parts: Window
and yellow
 
Part No: 29c01  Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass)
* 
29c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass)
Parts: Window
with glass in your copy?



  
  
The string of
 
Part No: bb0072c01  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right
* 
bb0072c01 (Inv) String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right
Parts: String Reel / Winch
is white. I have got other ones with white string too.

I'm pretty sure these white strings are not original.
My set has
 
Part No: bb0073  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Red Drum and Crane Arm
* 
bb0073 String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Red Drum and Crane Arm
Parts: String Reel / Winch {Red}
and hook
 
Part No: 3127b  Name: Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Right
* 
3127b Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Right
Parts: Hook {Red}

Can you provide proof that the set also came with
 
Part No: bb0072  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm
* 
bb0072 String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm
Parts: String Reel / Winch {Red}

Few sets in which this part appear are exclusive Samsonite sets. I bought my
copy from Australia and it looks it was kept with its original parts so we can
trust the color of drum.
I have got this part with white cord from another set or another copy of 183.
The interesting thing is that this drum was used for
[bb0067a]
and
 
Part No: bb0067  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Metal Handle (Red Drum)
* 
bb0067 String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Metal Handle (Red Drum)
Parts: String Reel / Winch
too.
  The drums I can see on your images are also red.

See:
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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  
  I found my set and it also has 3403c01

Would you please check the production date of its black 4.5v motor?

Are the windows white
 
Part No: 27c01  Name: Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Trans-Clear Glass (27 / 27glass)
* 
27c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Trans-Clear Glass (27 / 27glass)
Parts: Window
and yellow
 
Part No: 29c01  Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass)
* 
29c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass)
Parts: Window
with glass in your copy?



  
  
The string of
 
Part No: bb0072c01  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right
* 
bb0072c01 (Inv) String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right
Parts: String Reel / Winch
is white. I have got other ones with white string too.

I'm pretty sure these white strings are not original.
My set has
 
Part No: bb0073  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Red Drum and Crane Arm
* 
bb0073 String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Red Drum and Crane Arm
Parts: String Reel / Winch {Red}
and hook
 
Part No: 3127b  Name: Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Right
* 
3127b Hook Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Crane Hook Right
Parts: Hook {Red}

Can you provide proof that the set also came with
 
Part No: bb0072  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm
* 
bb0072 String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm
Parts: String Reel / Winch {Red}

Few sets in which this part appear are exclusive Samsonite sets. I bought my
copy from Australia and it looks it was kept with its original parts so we can
trust the color of drum.
I have got this part with white cord from another set or another copy of 183.
The interesting thing is that this drum was used for
[bb0067a]
and
 
Part No: bb0067  Name: String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Metal Handle (Red Drum)
* 
bb0067 String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Metal Handle (Red Drum)
Parts: String Reel / Winch
too.
  The drums I can see on your images are also red.

See:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1334867

Production date motor: 01-07-1976

I just noticed the superb state my train is in. I'm pretty sure the engine
was disassembled for the first time, just to see the motor production date

Both windows are with glass:
 
Part No: 27c01  Name: Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Trans-Clear Glass (27 / 27glass)
* 
27c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Trans-Clear Glass (27 / 27glass)
Parts: Window {White}
 
Part No: 29c01  Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass)
* 
29c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass)
Parts: Window {Yellow}

Complete wire is
 
Part No: bb0141ac14  Name: Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 2 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Narrow Type 1 with Cross-Cut Pins (x466c14 / bb0141c01)
* 
bb0141ac14 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 14 Studs Long with 2 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Narrow Type 1 with Cross-Cut Pins (x466c14 / bb0141c01)
Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector {White}

I also found images of a sealed set showing the newer turntable with 4x4 plate.

Would you please check your set on the following variants I found in mine
 
Part No: 3660  Name: Slope, Inverted 45 2 x 2 with Flat Bottom Pin
* 
3660 Slope, Inverted 45 2 x 2 with Flat Bottom Pin
Parts: Slope, Inverted {Black}
it's the older variant though (not on BL), with thicker 'walls' of
hollow tubes.
 
Part No: 3009p01e  Name: Brick 1 x 6 with Black Car Grille Pattern (Embossed Print)
* 
3009p01e Brick 1 x 6 with Black Car Grille Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated {Red}

Thanks,
Diana