183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal 183 Parts, 1976 Sets: Train: 4.5V
* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}
Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal 183 Parts, 1976 Sets: Train: 4.5V
* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}
Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.
For the turntables I would like to see proof. Not only for 3403c01, but also
for the older variant.
1. I only found instructions with the old turntable, is there another instruction?
2. If 3403c01 really appeared in this set as alternate, does it only replace
the old turntable, or also the 4x4 black plate (hight doesn't seem to matter,
and plate would not be needed anymore). A different instruction could provide
proof.
3. Did this set come first with 3404ac01 or 3404ac02?
two used boxed sets, with all innerboxes and original stickered parts,
1 box has 3404ac01 and one has 3404ac02. Since this set was sold in 1975-1976
I will add 3404ac02 as alternate.
Unfortunately all other sets I have with black turntables are packed
As far as I can tell by my catalogues set 183 was sold in 1976 and 1977 only.
It now has the oldest variant in the inventory, you want to add the newest variant
as alternate and I am wondering if the middle one shouldn't be in the inventory.
I wonder why ?
Unfortunately I only found the box and instruction from my set so far. The train
was build and put away assembled in one of the boxes somewhere. So I can't
check the train from my own collection right now. The internet doesn't help
much either.
I approved the change requests for the windows, because of info I already had,
although in a previous request you removed one (you now added again), with the
comments that it had those windows with glass, although the set was of a later
version. So for future requests, please don't just delete variants, unless
you are certain they didn't come in the set.
I believe your previous requests were based on images from other members. What
a pity you didn't ask about the turntables and instructions back then. If
you still have proof though, please add images. 3 variants of turntables in a
set that was sold for only 2 years, seems a bit too much.
Diana
PS:
For my memory:
if this change request is approved, change match-id's to 4 afterwards
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal 183 Parts, 1976 Sets: Train: 4.5V
* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}
Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.
For the turntables I would like to see proof. Not only for 3403c01, but also
for the older variant.
1. I only found instructions with the old turntable, is there another instruction?
My copy is mint, bought from Australia.
The instructions are the same. Photos to be followed.
2. If 3403c01 really appeared in this set as alternate, does it only replace
the old turntable, or also the 4x4 black plate (hight doesn't seem to matter,
and plate would not be needed anymore). A different instruction could provide
proof.
In my copy, a 4x4 black plate is also included and it is perdio-correct. All
parts are period correct.
Since there exists only one version of instructions, such proof cannot exists..
3. Did this set come first with 3404ac01 or 3404ac02?
I have never seen 3404ac02 in any used copy of this set.
two used boxed sets, with all innerboxes and original stickered parts,
1 box has 3404ac01 and one has 3404ac02. Since this set was sold in 1975-1976
I will add 3404ac02 as alternate.
Unfortunately all other sets I have with black turntables are packed
As far as I can tell by my catalogues set 183 was sold in 1976 and 1977 only.
It now has the oldest variant in the inventory, you want to add the newest variant
as alternate and I am wondering if the middle one shouldn't be in the inventory.
I wonder why ?
Few years ago, I tried to check many used copies on Ebay,... and see which set
came with
I failed to find one single copy coming with this, except recently I found two
copies of 12v train 724-1 with red 3404ac02.
My understanding is that this 3404ac02 had a short production, probably few months,
and it is not sure if it came with all sets produced in 1975. It may also depend
on the factory where it was produced. In Canada, I got two 357 with red 3404ac02
but I did not find photos of any other used copy of 357 in the USA coming with
3404ac02!
Unfortunately I only found the box and instruction from my set so far. The train
was build and put away assembled in one of the boxes somewhere. So I can't
check the train from my own collection right now. The internet doesn't help
much either.
I approved the change requests for the windows, because of info I already had,
although in a previous request you removed one (you now added again), with the
comments that it had those windows with glass, although the set was of a later
version. So for future requests, please don't just delete variants, unless
you are certain they didn't come in the set.
This was somehow a mistake. At the time, I had to either request to keep the
other window, or wait to see if I can find more evidence.
After 2018, I found out I could check the production dates of black 4.5v motor
by opening the motor. So I requested about 10 sellers on Ebay,... to do so and
made a table of them so that I could find the transit-time.
Now, I am quite sure the trains from 1975-77 came with both windows with glass,
or without glass. Based on my findings, TLG mixed both types of windows. So some
trains produced in 1976 came with glazed windows and some without. I think the
same about those produced in 1977 but I have to retrieve my old files in a broken
laptop. Anyway, it really does not matter for this request because I know both
windows came with this set.
My copy 183 bought from Australia has production date 02.09.76 and it has a catalog
of 1977 inside the box. The windows have glass. I have got photos of many other
used 183 from even 1976 that came with windows without glass.
I believe your previous requests were based on images from other members. What
a pity you didn't ask about the turntables and instructions back then. If
you still have proof though, please add images.
At the time, I did not know about turtables.
3 variants of turntables in a
set that was sold for only 2 years, seems a bit too much.
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal 183 Parts, 1976 Sets: Train: 4.5V
* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}
Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.
For the turntables I would like to see proof. Not only for 3403c01, but also
for the older variant.
1. I only found instructions with the old turntable, is there another instruction?
2. If 3403c01 really appeared in this set as alternate, does it only replace
the old turntable, or also the 4x4 black plate (hight doesn't seem to matter,
and plate would not be needed anymore). A different instruction could provide
proof.
3. Did this set come first with 3404ac01 or 3404ac02?
two used boxed sets, with all innerboxes and original stickered parts,
1 box has 3404ac01 and one has 3404ac02. Since this set was sold in 1975-1976
I will add 3404ac02 as alternate.
Unfortunately all other sets I have with black turntables are packed
As far as I can tell by my catalogues set 183 was sold in 1976 and 1977 only.
It now has the oldest variant in the inventory, you want to add the newest variant
as alternate and I am wondering if the middle one shouldn't be in the inventory.
I wonder why ?
Unfortunately I only found the box and instruction from my set so far. The train
was build and put away assembled in one of the boxes somewhere. So I can't
check the train from my own collection right now. The internet doesn't help
much either.
I approved the change requests for the windows, because of info I already had,
although in a previous request you removed one (you now added again), with the
comments that it had those windows with glass, although the set was of a later
version. So for future requests, please don't just delete variants, unless
you are certain they didn't come in the set.
I believe your previous requests were based on images from other members. What
a pity you didn't ask about the turntables and instructions back then. If
you still have proof though, please add images. 3 variants of turntables in a
set that was sold for only 2 years, seems a bit too much.
Diana
PS:
For my memory:
if this change request is approved, change match-id's to 4 afterwards
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal 183 Parts, 1976 Sets: Train: 4.5V
* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}
Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.
For the turntables I would like to see proof. Not only for 3403c01, but also
for the older variant.
1. I only found instructions with the old turntable, is there another instruction?
2. If 3403c01 really appeared in this set as alternate, does it only replace
the old turntable, or also the 4x4 black plate (hight doesn't seem to matter,
and plate would not be needed anymore). A different instruction could provide
proof.
3. Did this set come first with 3404ac01 or 3404ac02?
two used boxed sets, with all innerboxes and original stickered parts,
1 box has 3404ac01 and one has 3404ac02. Since this set was sold in 1975-1976
I will add 3404ac02 as alternate.
Unfortunately all other sets I have with black turntables are packed
As far as I can tell by my catalogues set 183 was sold in 1976 and 1977 only.
It now has the oldest variant in the inventory, you want to add the newest variant
as alternate and I am wondering if the middle one shouldn't be in the inventory.
I wonder why ?
Unfortunately I only found the box and instruction from my set so far. The train
was build and put away assembled in one of the boxes somewhere. So I can't
check the train from my own collection right now. The internet doesn't help
much either.
I approved the change requests for the windows, because of info I already had,
although in a previous request you removed one (you now added again), with the
comments that it had those windows with glass, although the set was of a later
version. So for future requests, please don't just delete variants, unless
you are certain they didn't come in the set.
I believe your previous requests were based on images from other members. What
a pity you didn't ask about the turntables and instructions back then. If
you still have proof though, please add images. 3 variants of turntables in a
set that was sold for only 2 years, seems a bit too much.
Diana
PS:
For my memory:
if this change request is approved, change match-id's to 4 afterwards
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal 183 Parts, 1976 Sets: Train: 4.5V
* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}
Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.
For the turntables I would like to see proof. Not only for 3403c01, but also
for the older variant.
1. I only found instructions with the old turntable, is there another instruction?
2. If 3403c01 really appeared in this set as alternate, does it only replace
the old turntable, or also the 4x4 black plate (hight doesn't seem to matter,
and plate would not be needed anymore). A different instruction could provide
proof.
3. Did this set come first with 3404ac01 or 3404ac02?
two used boxed sets, with all innerboxes and original stickered parts,
1 box has 3404ac01 and one has 3404ac02. Since this set was sold in 1975-1976
I will add 3404ac02 as alternate.
Unfortunately all other sets I have with black turntables are packed
As far as I can tell by my catalogues set 183 was sold in 1976 and 1977 only.
It now has the oldest variant in the inventory, you want to add the newest variant
as alternate and I am wondering if the middle one shouldn't be in the inventory.
I wonder why ?
Unfortunately I only found the box and instruction from my set so far. The train
was build and put away assembled in one of the boxes somewhere. So I can't
check the train from my own collection right now. The internet doesn't help
much either.
I approved the change requests for the windows, because of info I already had,
although in a previous request you removed one (you now added again), with the
comments that it had those windows with glass, although the set was of a later
version. So for future requests, please don't just delete variants, unless
you are certain they didn't come in the set.
I believe your previous requests were based on images from other members. What
a pity you didn't ask about the turntables and instructions back then. If
you still have proof though, please add images. 3 variants of turntables in a
set that was sold for only 2 years, seems a bit too much.
Diana
PS:
For my memory:
if this change request is approved, change match-id's to 4 afterwards
bb0072c01 (Inv) String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right Parts: String Reel / Winch
is white. I have got other ones with white string too.
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal 183 Parts, 1976 Sets: Train: 4.5V
* Add 4 Part 29 Yellow Window 1 x 1 x 2 (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part 3403c01 Black Turntable 4 x 4 Square Base with Same Color Turntable 4 x 4 Top (3403 / 3404) (match ID 3)
* Add 2 Part 27 White Window 1 x 2 x 1 (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part Black 3404ac01 Turntable 4 x 4 Complete, Faceted {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Part White 27c01 Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Glass {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 4 Part Yellow 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass {match ID 0 to 2}
Comments from Submitter:
I studied these trains for 4 years.
The windows 27 and 29 did not come with glass since about 1976. I am pretty sure this set and other trains like 726 came first with glazed windows 27 and 29 and later without.
For the turntables I would like to see proof. Not only for 3403c01, but also
for the older variant.
1. I only found instructions with the old turntable, is there another instruction?
2. If 3403c01 really appeared in this set as alternate, does it only replace
the old turntable, or also the 4x4 black plate (hight doesn't seem to matter,
and plate would not be needed anymore). A different instruction could provide
proof.
3. Did this set come first with 3404ac01 or 3404ac02?
two used boxed sets, with all innerboxes and original stickered parts,
1 box has 3404ac01 and one has 3404ac02. Since this set was sold in 1975-1976
I will add 3404ac02 as alternate.
Unfortunately all other sets I have with black turntables are packed
As far as I can tell by my catalogues set 183 was sold in 1976 and 1977 only.
It now has the oldest variant in the inventory, you want to add the newest variant
as alternate and I am wondering if the middle one shouldn't be in the inventory.
I wonder why ?
Unfortunately I only found the box and instruction from my set so far. The train
was build and put away assembled in one of the boxes somewhere. So I can't
check the train from my own collection right now. The internet doesn't help
much either.
I approved the change requests for the windows, because of info I already had,
although in a previous request you removed one (you now added again), with the
comments that it had those windows with glass, although the set was of a later
version. So for future requests, please don't just delete variants, unless
you are certain they didn't come in the set.
I believe your previous requests were based on images from other members. What
a pity you didn't ask about the turntables and instructions back then. If
you still have proof though, please add images. 3 variants of turntables in a
set that was sold for only 2 years, seems a bit too much.
Diana
PS:
For my memory:
if this change request is approved, change match-id's to 4 afterwards
bb0072c01 (Inv) String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right Parts: String Reel / Winch
is white. I have got other ones with white string too.
I'm pretty sure these white strings are not original.
My set has
Would you please check the production date of its black 4.5v motor?
Are the windows white
*
27c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Trans-Clear Glass (27 / 27glass) Parts: Window
and yellow
*
29c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass) Parts: Window
with glass in your copy?
The string of
*
bb0072c01 (Inv) String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right Parts: String Reel / Winch
is white. I have got other ones with white string too.
I'm pretty sure these white strings are not original.
My set has
Few sets in which this part appear are exclusive Samsonite sets. I bought my
copy from Australia and it looks it was kept with its original parts so we can
trust the color of drum.
I have got this part with white cord from another set or another copy of 183.
The interesting thing is that this drum was used for
[bb0067a]
and
Would you please check the production date of its black 4.5v motor?
Are the windows white
*
27c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 2 x 1 with Trans-Clear Glass (27 / 27glass) Parts: Window
and yellow
*
29c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass) Parts: Window
with glass in your copy?
The string of
*
bb0072c01 (Inv) String Reel Winch 4 x 4 x 2 with Sloped Top, Metal Handle, Black Drum and Crane Arm Complete with String and Crane Hook Right Parts: String Reel / Winch
is white. I have got other ones with white string too.
I'm pretty sure these white strings are not original.
My set has
Few sets in which this part appear are exclusive Samsonite sets. I bought my
copy from Australia and it looks it was kept with its original parts so we can
trust the color of drum.
I have got this part with white cord from another set or another copy of 183.
The interesting thing is that this drum was used for
[bb0067a]
and
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