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| Very surprised to find moving rounded bricks to the Slope,Curved category. How
many people really were in favour of that idea and how many were against? I thought
the general sentiment was that curved slopes are an entirely different thing
than parts with a quarter circle.
Putting rounded parts in Slope,Curved really makes no sense to me. I'd really
like to see some kind of vote on this as I cannot imagine this is intuitive to
the users.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
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| | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 2, 2020 19:04 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Very surprised to find moving rounded bricks to the Slope,Curved category. How
many people really were in favour of that idea and how many were against? I thought
the general sentiment was that curved slopes are an entirely different thing
than parts with a quarter circle.
Putting rounded parts in Slope,Curved really makes no sense to me. I'd really
like to see some kind of vote on this as I cannot imagine this is intuitive to
the users.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
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Maybe a survey, now that we have them?
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| | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 00:43 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Very surprised to find moving rounded bricks to the Slope,Curved category. How
many people really were in favour of that idea and how many were against? I thought
the general sentiment was that curved slopes are an entirely different thing
than parts with a quarter circle.
Putting rounded parts in Slope,Curved really makes no sense to me. I'd really
like to see some kind of vote on this as I cannot imagine this is intuitive to
the users.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
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To me they've always been curved slopes and my rounded top bricks (all of
the ones as is intended to move) are stored on the same shelf as curved slopes.
I've had it like that even when I was a buyer only. So I would vote yes to
move them.
Where else would you put them?
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 01:46 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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Where else would you put them?
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Brick, Curved Top?
(No links, too many of them  )
Mine are stored next to arches, and some round bricks and cones, and plain minifig
heads (but it’s more a compartment size reason for these ones).
Reasons:
— some arches have a curved top: they are hollow/full versions of each other,
— 6091 is a small 6005 which is a medium 6060,
— 6191 is a cut 6081 which is 4x 6091, etc.
Only 49307 is near Slopes, with 35464 and 22388, but that’s more or reason of
room and compartment size again.
The Slope, Curved that are already Slope, Curved for BL are with the slopes.
“Curved” is treated like another number: 10, 18, 45, 33, 55, Curved
Anyway, I looked at them a bit more. If they are slopes, they should follow
the rules for slopes:
— 6192 and 40996 should be “Double” like 49307.
— 6214 and 6216 are not “Triple” like 3048, they are “Double Stepped,” “Double
Staggered” or “Double Stacked.” And “Cloud.”
And I’m wondering if 4861 (not to be moved but stumbled upon it while looking
for Triple) really is a “Slope 45 3 x 4 Double / 33” or a “Slope 45 3 x 4 Triple
/ 33” or even a “Slope 45/33 3 x 4 Triple.”
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| | | | | Author: | novabrick | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 02:36 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Very surprised to find moving rounded bricks to the Slope,Curved category. How
many people really were in favour of that idea and how many were against? I thought
the general sentiment was that curved slopes are an entirely different thing
than parts with a quarter circle.
Putting rounded parts in Slope,Curved really makes no sense to me. I'd really
like to see some kind of vote on this as I cannot imagine this is intuitive to
the users.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
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from experience with my collegues I can say. this does make sense.
"It is sloped and has a curved surface. It must be slope curved, surely"
I know it will take a while to get used to the changes but this has always been
the case when major changes have been announced in any field.
tbh there could be cases for many parts to be more suitable in two or three categories
at once since they kinda fit many.
I'll see that we introduce the new changes to our sorting guys in due time.
I'm pretty open minded and hope that these changes will make live a bit easier
for everyone involved.
Christian
novabrick-team
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 03:15 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Very surprised to find moving rounded bricks to the Slope,Curved category.
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What would you consider these parts to be if not rounded bricks?
And how do they differ in any significant way from these parts (other than perhaps
the angles of the curves, which is somewhat irrelevant - as the different angles
from 10 to 75 included in the Slope category demonstrates)?
Yes, this is a change. Yes, it will take a little getting used to. But it makes
more intuitive sense to have these similar parts in the same category.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 05:08 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Roundedness and curvedness are just different concepts. That first set of parts
has an angled curve that is irregular and that starts at 0 degrees but does not
end in 90 degrees. You cannot put a round brick against it horizontally that
matches the shape.
I'm surprised that roundedness and curvedness seem to be the same concept
to several people... maybe it is a language thing and it's because I'm
not a native speaker of English, but for me they're completely different
concepts. In Dutch the word for "curved" implies it's irregular.
Don't get me wrong, I want the catalog to be intuitive to as many people
as possible. If roundedness and curvedness are the same to 90% of the people,
then I am happy for this change. However, I'm surprised about the idea, and
I would first like to hear more people on this to feel like this would make it
easier for people.
I always felt like the Slope,Curved category was one of the cleanest. Most of
the parts were a clear, indisputable family:
And then parts with half and quarter circles gets added into that...?
I'm surprised that that doesn't look like ruining the category to some
people.
Also, why are curved arches not moved to Slope,Curved?
If these two parts are Slope,Curved:
Then as far as I can see, this should be too:
That would at least unite him with his smaller cousin that fits the gap.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 05:25 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | If these two parts are Slope,Curved:
Then as far as I can see, this should be too:
That would at least unite him with his smaller cousin that fits the gap.
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I would say being an arch outweighs being a curved slope. But this is where we
need a flowchart or list of hierarchy to say which features outweigh others in
order of precedence.
The middle part is clearly related to both the upper and lower parts, but the
upper and lower are not directly related.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 05:52 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | If these two parts are Slope,Curved:
Then as far as I can see, this should be too:
That would at least unite him with his smaller cousin that fits the gap.
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I would say being an arch outweighs being a curved slope. But this is where we
need a flowchart or list of hierarchy to say which features outweigh others in
order of precedence.
The middle part is clearly related to both the upper and lower parts, but the
upper and lower are not directly related.
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I don't have a preference one way or the other, that's why I started
out with "if"  If it doesn't matter whether the curve is irregular or a
quarter circle, then I believe these should be in the same category:
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 06:07 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | If these two parts are Slope,Curved:
Then as far as I can see, this should be too:
That would at least unite him with his smaller cousin that fits the gap.
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I would say being an arch outweighs being a curved slope. But this is where we
need a flowchart or list of hierarchy to say which features outweigh others in
order of precedence.
The middle part is clearly related to both the upper and lower parts, but the
upper and lower are not directly related.
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I don't have a preference one way or the other, that's why I started
out with "if" If it doesn't matter whether the curve is irregular or a
quarter circle, then I believe these should be in the same category:
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And if I tell you that to me it goes better in Vehicle, Mudguard ?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 07:40 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | If these two parts are Slope,Curved:
Then as far as I can see, this should be too:
That would at least unite him with his smaller cousin that fits the gap.
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I would say being an arch outweighs being a curved slope. But this is where we
need a flowchart or list of hierarchy to say which features outweigh others in
order of precedence.
The middle part is clearly related to both the upper and lower parts, but the
upper and lower are not directly related.
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I don't have a preference one way or the other, that's why I started
out with "if" If it doesn't matter whether the curve is irregular or a
quarter circle, then I believe these should be in the same category:
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And if I tell you that to me it goes better in Vehicle, Mudguard ?
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Hmm ok, yeah, that's another option Then the function prevails because
the one part is more function-specific than the other.
But if you do choose to focus on shape only, I'd say they are going to have
to be the same category.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Leftoverbricks | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 09:40 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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Yes, this is a change. Yes, it will take a little getting used to. But it makes
more intuitive sense to have these similar parts in the same category.
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I welcome this change. For me it really makes sense. Both for my organizing
my moc parts collection as well my BL inventory. Good work!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 10:22 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Leftoverbricks writes:
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Yes, this is a change. Yes, it will take a little getting used to. But it makes
more intuitive sense to have these similar parts in the same category.
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I welcome this change. For me it really makes sense. Both for my organizing
my moc parts collection as well my BL inventory. Good work!
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Thanks for adding your comment. Out of interest, how would you translate it to
Dutch? I feel like the words "schuin" and "krom" don't really work for these
parts but maybe it's just me?
Vind je dat je iets dat gerond is ook "krom" mag noemen? Ik twijfel een beetje..
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | markim | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 15:56 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, Leftoverbricks writes:
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Yes, this is a change. Yes, it will take a little getting used to. But it makes
more intuitive sense to have these similar parts in the same category.
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I welcome this change. For me it really makes sense. Both for my organizing
my moc parts collection as well my BL inventory. Good work!
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Thanks for adding your comment. Out of interest, how would you translate it to
Dutch? I feel like the words "schuin" and "krom" don't really work for these
parts but maybe it's just me?
Vind je dat je iets dat gerond is ook "krom" mag noemen? Ik twijfel een beetje..
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Is een mogelijke vertaling van slope curved misschien schuin, gerond? Dat klinkt
voor mij het meest letterlijk. Krom kan voor mijn gevoel ook een gehoekte lijn
zijn.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 17:18 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, markim writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, Leftoverbricks writes:
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Yes, this is a change. Yes, it will take a little getting used to. But it makes
more intuitive sense to have these similar parts in the same category.
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I welcome this change. For me it really makes sense. Both for my organizing
my moc parts collection as well my BL inventory. Good work!
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Thanks for adding your comment. Out of interest, how would you translate it to
Dutch? I feel like the words "schuin" and "krom" don't really work for these
parts but maybe it's just me?
Vind je dat je iets dat gerond is ook "krom" mag noemen? Ik twijfel een beetje..
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Is een mogelijke vertaling van slope curved misschien schuin, gerond? Dat klinkt
voor mij het meest letterlijk. Krom kan voor mijn gevoel ook een gehoekte lijn
zijn.
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Gerond is inderdaad wel beter ja, geloof dat het in mijn catalogus op het moment
ook "Daksteen Gerond" heet. Maar het blijft zoals ik postte vreemd om deze geronde
steentjes "schuine stenen" of "dakstenen" te noemen, maar ik denk er nu aan om
de categorie maar gewoon "schuin & gerond" te noemen, dat vangt het in elk geval
allebei...
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| | | | | | | Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 11:54 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Very surprised to find moving rounded bricks to the Slope,Curved category.
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What would you consider these parts to be if not rounded bricks?
And how do they differ in any significant way from these parts (other than perhaps
the angles of the curves, which is somewhat irrelevant - as the different angles
from 10 to 75 included in the Slope category demonstrates)?
Yes, this is a change. Yes, it will take a little getting used to. But it makes
more intuitive sense to have these similar parts in the same category.
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I really like the idea of putting them all together. I know that there are arguments
as to what really defines a slope compared to a round type of brick but I would
just like to be able to find all the round curved parts of that type in one place
in the catalog and to me it makes sense to add them into the 'slopes, curved'
area of the catalog because they all look very similar to the ones already in
that section.
Jim
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| | | | | | | Author: | jonwil | | Posted: | Sep 4, 2020 03:21 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I have always considered the first 4 to be slopes.
I don't own the clear one but the other 3 I always consider bricks.
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| | | | | Author: | brikomania | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 05:17 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Very surprised to find moving rounded bricks to the Slope,Curved category. How
many people really were in favour of that idea and how many were against? I thought
the general sentiment was that curved slopes are an entirely different thing
than parts with a quarter circle.
Putting rounded parts in Slope,Curved really makes no sense to me. I'd really
like to see some kind of vote on this as I cannot imagine this is intuitive to
the users.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
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This makes sense to me, as I remember when starting out, I would always search
for those bricks in the slope category, not brick, modified. It made sense to
me for them to be slopes, as they are basically that, slopes.
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 05:56 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Very surprised to find moving rounded bricks to the Slope,Curved category. How
many people really were in favour of that idea and how many were against? I thought
the general sentiment was that curved slopes are an entirely different thing
than parts with a quarter circle.
Putting rounded parts in Slope,Curved really makes no sense to me. I'd really
like to see some kind of vote on this as I cannot imagine this is intuitive to
the users.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
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By the way, if rounded parts are going to be considered slopes, then shouldn't
parts with rounded sides also be considered having sloping sides? That would
mean that these are Wedges:
If a slope in the vertical dimension is going to be the same as a quarter circle
in the vertical dimension, then logically a slope in the horizontal dimensions
(which is what Wedges usually have) equates a quarter circle in the horizontal
dimensions.
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| | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 06:20 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Very surprised to find moving rounded bricks to the Slope,Curved category. How
many people really were in favour of that idea and how many were against? I thought
the general sentiment was that curved slopes are an entirely different thing
than parts with a quarter circle.
Putting rounded parts in Slope,Curved really makes no sense to me. I'd really
like to see some kind of vote on this as I cannot imagine this is intuitive to
the users.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
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By the way, if rounded parts are going to be considered slopes, then shouldn't
parts with rounded sides also be considered having sloping sides? That would
mean that these are Wedges:
If a slope in the vertical dimension is going to be the same as a quarter circle
in the vertical dimension, then logically a slope in the horizontal dimensions
(which is what Wedges usually have) equates a quarter circle in the horizontal
dimensions.
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You might want to spend a few minutes reading the definitions. Or do you want
new definitions as well?
Slope: For items with a square or rectangular base and one or more flat sides
angled from larger bottom to smaller top. (The curved in curved slope refers
to angle which is now a curve and not flat);
Wedge: For items other than plates that have a narrow edge at one end and a
wider edge at the other end.
How do you move from edge to angle? Or do you want all wedges to be slopes?
Of course there is still a problem with the definition of round, but that is
being worked on best I know:
Brick Round:For items similar to bricks that have a completely or partially round
base, with or without attachments.
From there I think you can see that round refers to the base, wedge refers to
edge and slope refers to angle from base to top. Of course we can differ over
what is the base, what is the angle, what is the edge of any particular part.
But at some time you have to put the thing down studs on top like a brick and
look at the base (square/rectangular/round), the angle (curved or flat), and
the edge (narrow or wide).
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 08:15 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, bje writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Very surprised to find moving rounded bricks to the Slope,Curved category. How
many people really were in favour of that idea and how many were against? I thought
the general sentiment was that curved slopes are an entirely different thing
than parts with a quarter circle.
Putting rounded parts in Slope,Curved really makes no sense to me. I'd really
like to see some kind of vote on this as I cannot imagine this is intuitive to
the users.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
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By the way, if rounded parts are going to be considered slopes, then shouldn't
parts with rounded sides also be considered having sloping sides? That would
mean that these are Wedges:
If a slope in the vertical dimension is going to be the same as a quarter circle
in the vertical dimension, then logically a slope in the horizontal dimensions
(which is what Wedges usually have) equates a quarter circle in the horizontal
dimensions.
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You might want to spend a few minutes reading the definitions. Or do you want
new definitions as well?
Slope: For items with a square or rectangular base and one or more flat sides
angled from larger bottom to smaller top. (The curved in curved slope refers
to angle which is now a curve and not flat);
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Hmm, the way I read this, those rounded bricks are not slopes by the catalog's
own definition. Because (unlike all Slope,Curved's) they are not angled -
they start at 90 degrees upwards at the base, and end in 0 degrees horizontally
at the top.
| | Wedge: For items other than plates that have a narrow edge at one end and a
wider edge at the other end.
How do you move from edge to angle? Or do you want all wedges to be slopes?
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No that's ok, the Wedge-Slope divide is very clear IMO. The one is about
the vertical dimension, the other about the footprint.
I'm just applying this new rule that a quarter circle is equated to a slope
to some rounded bricks, and find that they then must be moved to Wedge - see
the picture where I apply your line to the rounded brick.
| | Of course there is still a problem with the definition of round, but that is
being worked on best I know:
Brick Round:For items similar to bricks that have a completely or partially round
base, with or without attachments.
From there I think you can see that round refers to the base, wedge refers to
edge and slope refers to angle from base to top.
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But I'm not sure what "edge" really means here... I understand both the Brick,Round
and the Wedge to refer to the footprint. That's all good. It's just odd
to me that in the footprint it does matter whether the shape is part of a circle
(if yes = Brick,Round, if no = Wedge), but in the vertical dimension it is not
recognised and just thrown in with Slope. Even though there are many builds where
parts with a rounding in the vertical dimension are used in combination with
Brick,Round's - if you SNOT them they often have matching curves.
The way I would solve it is leaving all Brick,Round's and Wedges they way
they are now, and adding a new Brick, Rounded Top category, which would
consist of the following parts:
[P=30151a]
As well as this new part: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3oFhGh34RHM/XudaoQ3InoI/AAAAAAAAPTo/DCTGaXgyLvAHYCeJi4mBpzQOWeGkBV3lACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/16364741011_873b5db6e8_o.png
Then, the way I see it, things are consistent. There's a category for sloping
vertical (Slope), for sloping footprints (Wedge), for rounded footprints (Brick,Round)
and for vertical rounded parts (Brick,Rounded Top).
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| | | The way I would solve it is leaving all Brick,Round's and Wedges they way
they are now, and adding a new Brick, Rounded Top category, which would
consist of the following parts:
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| | Then, the way I see it, things are consistent. There's a category for sloping
vertical (Slope), for sloping footprints (Wedge), for rounded footprints (Brick,Round)
and for vertical rounded parts (Brick,Rounded Top).
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I'm not sure rounded top is necessarily a good name.
Looking at those parts above, the first two clearly have rounding at the top.
But the third and fourth, although they have rounded tops, also have significant
rounding elsewhere. So much so, that they have bottom and ends in their names
rather than top.
Plus what about existing or new parts that are brick-like on the top but rounded
underneath.
For example, if is a brick, rounded top then surely also all curved
slopes would need to be in there too, so things like .
That is clearly related to which clearly cannot be called a rounded
top. Rounded top, inverted wouldn't sound right and a different rounded
bottom would introduce problems with parts like 30075 and 6214 above. Are they
rounded tops or bottoms?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 09:05 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Yeah, maybe "top" is not the best description.. not sure how to capture roundedness
in the vertical dimension best, perhaps there is a better word. Brick,Rounded
would work but it would look too similar to Brick,Round.
In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | For example, if is a brick, rounded top then surely also all curved
slopes would need to be in there too, so things like .
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No! This was the point in the first place. I suggested that category exactly
for the purpose of separating those parts from curved slopes. To me there
is a clear difference between parts with rounded sides (whether horizontal or
vertical), and slopes that have irregular angular curvings. If I'm going
to keep my own webshop consistent with the Bricklink catalog, I will probably
have to change the category name in a combination of two terms because the way
I would render "Slope, Curved" in Dutch would not work for rounded parts.
It is strange to me that the catalog does seem to acknowledge roundedness when
it is horizontal (Brick,Round), but not when it is vertical... but maybe it's
just me? I don't know. As a kid I put those 2x3 rounded top bricks with my
other round bricks, and never with my slopes...
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| | Yeah, maybe "top" is not the best description.. not sure how to capture roundedness
in the vertical dimension best, perhaps there is a better word. Brick,Rounded
would work but it would look too similar to Brick,Round.
In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | For example, if is a brick, rounded top then surely also all curved
slopes would need to be in there too, so things like .
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No! This was the point in the first place. I suggested that category exactly
for the purpose of separating those parts from curved slopes. To me there
is a clear difference between parts with rounded sides (whether horizontal or
vertical), and slopes that have irregular angular curvings.
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Why the fixation on angle? Both of the parts are sloped and they curve in the
same direction so have a relationship. One happens to reach 0 or 90 degrees depending
on how you measure the angle. I don't really see why that is special.
Plus for the curve can be drawn to tend to a the vertical if you extend
the curve beyond the piece. So this can be viewed as a truncated version of something
like 6215. And truncated parts usually go in the same category, such as:
That is clearly not a cone, but can be seen to tend to a tip if it wasn't
truncated.
To me, the two curved slopes above have a similar relationship.
I guess part of the problem is that different people see different things in
a parts shape. But what is important is that similar looking parts go in the
same place in the catalogue. That is why I'd prefer any parts that are sloped
and curved (in the same direction) are classed together. That way, when looking
through a list of them similar items are in the same place.
I would also put domes into curved slopes. After all, if both
are slopes then I see both
as having exactly the same relationship. In both cases the first part is an edge
and the second is the matching corner.
But others will of course see something different.
I wonder if some sort of crowd-sourced data should be used to test things like
this. After all, what is important is that people (be they buyers or sellers)
can find parts in the catalogue. So show users a whole list of parts like above
and ask what category they think they should be in.
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Yeah, maybe "top" is not the best description.. not sure how to capture roundedness
in the vertical dimension best, perhaps there is a better word. Brick,Rounded
would work but it would look too similar to Brick,Round.
In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | For example, if is a brick, rounded top then surely also all curved
slopes would need to be in there too, so things like .
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No! This was the point in the first place. I suggested that category exactly
for the purpose of separating those parts from curved slopes. To me there
is a clear difference between parts with rounded sides (whether horizontal or
vertical), and slopes that have irregular angular curvings.
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Why the fixation on angle? Both of the parts are sloped and they curve in the
same direction so have a relationship. One happens to reach 0 or 90 degrees depending
on how you measure the angle. I don't really see why that is special.
Plus for the curve can be drawn to tend to a the vertical if you extend
the curve beyond the piece. So this can be viewed as a truncated version of something
like 6215. And truncated parts usually go in the same category, such as:
That is clearly not a cone, but can be seen to tend to a tip if it wasn't
truncated.
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I think that curved slope has an irregular curve that is not consistent with
any part of a circle because its radius increases as it goes forward, but even
if it is, to me it matters whether it ends in a sloping angle or in a vertical
angle. It's just hard for me to understand the word "slope" as something
other than something that stretches out at an angle. To apply the word "slope"
to something that at the base starts perfectly vertical and ends perfectly horizontal
just seems very odd to me.
| | I wonder if some sort of crowd-sourced data should be used to test things like
this. After all, what is important is that people (be they buyers or sellers)
can find parts in the catalogue. So show users a whole list of parts like above
and ask what category they think they should be in.
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I definitely think these things need testing. The catalog is just so important
that it definitely deserves it. But as for this case, I am glad to see I'm
probably in the minority here, because probably it will not be changed and all
I care about is that most users will be able to find things in the most intuitive
way. If most people don't really care if a curve is irregular or semi/quarter
circular and are comfortable applying the predicate "slope" to these things then
it's fine with me.
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| | | I think that curved slope has an irregular curve that is not consistent with
any part of a circle because its radius increases as it goes forward, but even
if it is, to me it matters whether it ends in a sloping angle or in a vertical
angle. It's just hard for me to understand the word "slope" as something
other than something that stretches out at an angle. To apply the word "slope"
to something that at the base starts perfectly vertical and ends perfectly horizontal
just seems very odd to me.
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I think BL's standard interpretation is based on start and end angles rather
than the change in radius - plus they use rounded and not circular. There are
parts like this that are not circular (as the radius changes slightly) but are
rounded in that they curve smoothly.
I understand totally about the slope starting vertically (although the end being
horizontal is not such a big deal) being strange but then I don't think most
people would think about these angles, but instead see it as a piece that overall
slopes from one side to the other (or front to back, or whatever) and is curved
along that slope.
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| | | | I think that curved slope has an irregular curve that is not consistent with
any part of a circle because its radius increases as it goes forward, but even
if it is, to me it matters whether it ends in a sloping angle or in a vertical
angle. It's just hard for me to understand the word "slope" as something
other than something that stretches out at an angle. To apply the word "slope"
to something that at the base starts perfectly vertical and ends perfectly horizontal
just seems very odd to me.
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I think BL's standard interpretation is based on start and end angles rather
than the change in radius - plus they use rounded and not circular. There are
parts like this that are not circular (as the radius changes slightly) but are
rounded in that they curve smoothly.
I understand totally about the slope starting vertically (although the end being
horizontal is not such a big deal) being strange but then I don't think most
people would think about these angles, but instead see it as a piece that overall
slopes from one side to the other (or front to back, or whatever) and is curved
along that slope.
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I agree it'd be too complex to look at how regular the curve is. But I'm
not sure I agree that most people wouldn't think about whether it ends in
a straight angle or not. I'm not a native speaker so maybe "slope" is fine
for both, but for Dutch I really struggle to find a word that would fit both.
The Dutch translation of slope I always used (schuin) means someting is angled
and that if you would rotate it a bit, it would become more straight. And that
does not fit parts with circular curvings. So maybe in English it's not a
big difference but in Dutch I struggle to find another way than calling it a
"something & something else" category. Which is my own problem but language
can influence people's intuition.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 11:44 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
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I agree it'd be too complex to look at how regular the curve is. But I'm
not sure I agree that most people wouldn't think about whether it ends in
a straight angle or not. I'm not a native speaker so maybe "slope" is fine
for both, but for Dutch I really struggle to find a word that would fit both.
The Dutch translation of slope I always used (schuin) means someting is angled
and that if you would rotate it a bit, it would become more straight. And that
does not fit parts with circular curvings. So maybe in English it's not a
big difference but in Dutch I struggle to find another way than calling it a
"something & something else" category. Which is my own problem but language
can influence people's intuition.
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You should know by now that the meaning of words in real life has absolutely
no bearing in catalogue discussion here.
http://v4ei.com/comics/index.php?id=wedge&check=2008s
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
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I agree it'd be too complex to look at how regular the curve is. But I'm
not sure I agree that most people wouldn't think about whether it ends in
a straight angle or not. I'm not a native speaker so maybe "slope" is fine
for both, but for Dutch I really struggle to find a word that would fit both.
The Dutch translation of slope I always used (schuin) means someting is angled
and that if you would rotate it a bit, it would become more straight. And that
does not fit parts with circular curvings. So maybe in English it's not a
big difference but in Dutch I struggle to find another way than calling it a
"something & something else" category. Which is my own problem but language
can influence people's intuition.
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You should know by now that the meaning of words in real life has absolutely
no bearing in catalogue discussion here.
http://v4ei.com/comics/index.php?id=wedge&check=2008s
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But this is a different discussion: yorbrick says he doubts people make a distinction,
I point out that Dutch doesn't even have a word to generalise the two, which
is an indication that people might actually find that distinction important.
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | […]
I agree it'd be too complex to look at how regular the curve is. But I'm
not sure I agree that most people wouldn't think about whether it ends in
a straight angle or not. I'm not a native speaker so maybe "slope" is fine
for both, but for Dutch I really struggle to find a word that would fit both.
The Dutch translation of slope I always used (schuin) means someting is angled
and that if you would rotate it a bit, it would become more straight. And that
does not fit parts with circular curvings. So maybe in English it's not a
big difference but in Dutch I struggle to find another way than calling it a
"something & something else" category. Which is my own problem but language
can influence people's intuition.
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You should know by now that the meaning of words in real life has absolutely
no bearing in catalogue discussion here.
http://v4ei.com/comics/index.php?id=wedge&check=2008s
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But this is a different discussion: yorbrick says he doubts people make a distinction,
I point out that Dutch doesn't even have a word to generalise the two, which
is an indication that people might actually find that distinction important.
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I see it a bit like the arches. There are arches that start vertically at the
bottom so give a continuous profile and some where there is a discontinuity in
slope. Similarly at the top of the arch, there are continuous semicircular ones,
or continuous rounded but not circular, there are discontinuous gothic and ogee
ones, and so on. But start and end angles aside, they are all arches and have
the same basic features and it makes sense to have them in the same place.
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | […]
I agree it'd be too complex to look at how regular the curve is. But I'm
not sure I agree that most people wouldn't think about whether it ends in
a straight angle or not. I'm not a native speaker so maybe "slope" is fine
for both, but for Dutch I really struggle to find a word that would fit both.
The Dutch translation of slope I always used (schuin) means someting is angled
and that if you would rotate it a bit, it would become more straight. And that
does not fit parts with circular curvings. So maybe in English it's not a
big difference but in Dutch I struggle to find another way than calling it a
"something & something else" category. Which is my own problem but language
can influence people's intuition.
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You should know by now that the meaning of words in real life has absolutely
no bearing in catalogue discussion here.
http://v4ei.com/comics/index.php?id=wedge&check=2008s
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But this is a different discussion: yorbrick says he doubts people make a distinction,
I point out that Dutch doesn't even have a word to generalise the two, which
is an indication that people might actually find that distinction important.
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I see it a bit like the arches. There are arches that start vertically at the
bottom so give a continuous profile and some where there is a discontinuity in
slope. Similarly at the top of the arch, there are continuous semicircular ones,
or continuous rounded but not circular, there are discontinuous gothic and ogee
ones, and so on. But start and end angles aside, they are all arches and have
the same basic features and it makes sense to have them in the same place.
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It's a good comparison, especially since there actually are arches that can
fit round parts, while at the same time there's the 1 x 6 one, which, in
its latest mould type, can fit actual curved slopes.
But while the "arch" word is very clear in either case, I just don't feel
comfortable with the "slope" word for these rounded parts. Maybe it needs to
grow on me... especially if to everyone else it's acceptable..
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 12:26 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
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I agree it'd be too complex to look at how regular the curve is. But I'm
not sure I agree that most people wouldn't think about whether it ends in
a straight angle or not. I'm not a native speaker so maybe "slope" is fine
for both, but for Dutch I really struggle to find a word that would fit both.
The Dutch translation of slope I always used (schuin) means someting is angled
and that if you would rotate it a bit, it would become more straight. And that
does not fit parts with circular curvings. So maybe in English it's not a
big difference but in Dutch I struggle to find another way than calling it a
"something & something else" category. Which is my own problem but language
can influence people's intuition.
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You should know by now that the meaning of words in real life has absolutely
no bearing in catalogue discussion here.
http://v4ei.com/comics/index.php?id=wedge&check=2008s
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You know LEGO even defines what a wedge is here:
https://education.lego.com/en-us/lessons/advancing-with-spm/wedge
It reminds me of something else ...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 12:42 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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Yes, my point exactly
From what I get from the definitions on wiktionary, English slope exactly
matches French pente. And I would never call an object a “pente.” A
bit of road, an hill-side, yes, but not an object I can handle.
It’s like calling any number a “rate.”
Where does the word comes from in AFOL jargon? Why not “roof” bricks?
AFOL jargon’s etymology is weird.
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
Yes, my point exactly
From what I get from the definitions on wiktionary, English slope exactly
matches French pente. And I would never call an object a “pente.” A
bit of road, an hill-side, yes, but not an object I can handle.
It’s like calling any number a “rate.”
Where does the word comes from in AFOL jargon? Why not “roof” bricks?
AFOL jargon’s etymology is weird.
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And I shouldn’t but I’ll say it anyway: Wedge, Plates, should be Plates, Cut
or Plates, Wing.
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
Yes, my point exactly
From what I get from the definitions on wiktionary, English slope exactly
matches French pente. And I would never call an object a “pente.” A
bit of road, an hill-side, yes, but not an object I can handle.
It’s like calling any number a “rate.”
Where does the word comes from in AFOL jargon? Why not “roof” bricks?
AFOL jargon’s etymology is weird.
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And I shouldn’t but I’ll say it anyway: Wedge, Plates, should be Plates, Cut
or Plates, Wing.
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Interesting.
Plate, wedge
Brick, wedge
Slope, Wedge
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| | And I shouldn’t but I’ll say it anyway: Wedge, Plates, should be Plates, Cut
or Plates, Wing.
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Interesting.
Plate, wedge
Brick, wedge
Slope, Wedge
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Well, rather:
Plate, Cut
Brick, Cut
Slope, Cut
There’s this big split between bricks and plates and slopes¹, but some plates
aren’t plates?
What do you think first when you see them? Plates with a missing bit, non-rectangular
plates, or wings for some of them, but not wedges.
(¹ Yeah, I get it, the split’s bricks, slopes, plates, and wedges, and nobody
knows what a wedge is  )
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AFOL jargon’s etymology is weird.
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That is exactly what I call them when building with my kids, as they only really
use them for building roofs.
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By the way, if rounded parts are going to be considered slopes, then shouldn't
parts with rounded sides also be considered having sloping sides? That would
mean that these are Wedges:
If a slope in the vertical dimension is going to be the same as a quarter circle
in the vertical dimension, then logically a slope in the horizontal dimensions
(which is what Wedges usually have) equates a quarter circle in the horizontal
dimensions.
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You might want to spend a few minutes reading the definitions. Or do you want
new definitions as well?
Slope: For items with a square or rectangular base and one or more flat sides
angled from larger bottom to smaller top. (The curved in curved slope refers
to angle which is now a curve and not flat);
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Hmm, the way I read this, those rounded bricks are not slopes by the catalog's
own definition. Because (unlike all Slope,Curved's) they are not angled -
they start at 90 degrees upwards at the base, and end in 0 degrees horizontally
at the top.
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So they are inverted curved slopes? Perhaps you should look at the difference
between Kromme and Ronde - the one is defined by a line and the other by a circle.
I read a more logical progression:
Brik 2 x 4 - the standard of all LEGO;
Modified by a round base (circle): Brick, Round; or
Modified by being narrower at one edge than another: Wedge; or
Modified by angles (line from base to top or top to base) : Slope; or
Modified by a curved angle: Curved slope.
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wider edge at the other end.
How do you move from edge to angle? Or do you want all wedges to be slopes?
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No that's ok, the Wedge-Slope divide is very clear IMO. The one is about
the vertical dimension, the other about the footprint.
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So is the round brick you are referring to - the (round) footprint.
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to some rounded bricks, and find that they then must be moved to Wedge - see
the picture where I apply your line to the rounded brick.
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Nope, I think you are comparing apples and waffles. The quarter circle you are
presumably referring to is on the angle, not the base. Once on the base, it is
probably better a round brick than a wedge or a slope.
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being worked on best I know:
Brick Round:For items similar to bricks that have a completely or partially round
base, with or without attachments.
From there I think you can see that round refers to the base, wedge refers to
edge and slope refers to angle from base to top.
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But I'm not sure what "edge" really means here... I understand both the Brick,Round
and the Wedge to refer to the footprint. That's all good. It's just odd
to me that in the footprint it does matter whether the shape is part of a circle
(if yes = Brick,Round, if no = Wedge), but in the vertical dimension it is not
recognised and just thrown in with Slope. Even though there are many builds where
parts with a rounding in the vertical dimension are used in combination with
Brick,Round's - if you SNOT them they often have matching curves.
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If you lay any part on a different edge, you can presumably make it look like
something else.
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The way I would solve it is leaving all Brick,Round's and Wedges they way
they are now, and adding a new Brick, Rounded Top category, which would
consist of the following parts:
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But first define that category instead of just saying here is a bunch of things
which look like they belong together, so now they must be together. Then make
the definitions of all the other things that do not fit your current definition,
also better. In that manner you can progress from a bunch of things all over
the place to a catalogue.
Vertically rounded sounds like a bit of a long stretch - where is the vertical
axis you are looking at - is it the front view, the side view, the SNOT view
or some other acrobatic view?
It seems you are now putting all manner of parts which are arches (bricks with
a curved underside) together with parts which are curves on the outside together
with some parts which are round and maybe add some dome things there and not
others. Me failing to understand the logic applied is probably down to some lack
of knowledge on my part. But I do have difficulty with what you are proposing
because I still cannot understand how you move from base to edge to angle and
make them principally all the same.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 10:11 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, bje writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, bje writes:
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By the way, if rounded parts are going to be considered slopes, then shouldn't
parts with rounded sides also be considered having sloping sides? That would
mean that these are Wedges:
If a slope in the vertical dimension is going to be the same as a quarter circle
in the vertical dimension, then logically a slope in the horizontal dimensions
(which is what Wedges usually have) equates a quarter circle in the horizontal
dimensions.
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You might want to spend a few minutes reading the definitions. Or do you want
new definitions as well?
Slope: For items with a square or rectangular base and one or more flat sides
angled from larger bottom to smaller top. (The curved in curved slope refers
to angle which is now a curve and not flat);
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Hmm, the way I read this, those rounded bricks are not slopes by the catalog's
own definition. Because (unlike all Slope,Curved's) they are not angled -
they start at 90 degrees upwards at the base, and end in 0 degrees horizontally
at the top.
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So they are inverted curved slopes? Perhaps you should look at the difference
between Kromme and Ronde - the one is defined by a line and the other by a circle.
I read a more logical progression:
Brik 2 x 4 - the standard of all LEGO;
Modified by a round base (circle): Brick, Round; or
Modified by being narrower at one edge than another: Wedge; or
Modified by angles (line from base to top or top to base) : Slope; or
Modified by a curved angle: Curved slope.
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| | Wedge: For items other than plates that have a narrow edge at one end and a
wider edge at the other end.
How do you move from edge to angle? Or do you want all wedges to be slopes?
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No that's ok, the Wedge-Slope divide is very clear IMO. The one is about
the vertical dimension, the other about the footprint.
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So is the round brick you are referring to - the (round) footprint.
| | I'm just applying this new rule that a quarter circle is equated to a slope
to some rounded bricks, and find that they then must be moved to Wedge - see
the picture where I apply your line to the rounded brick.
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Nope, I think you are comparing apples and waffles. The quarter circle you are
presumably referring to is on the angle, not the base. Once on the base, it is
probably better a round brick than a wedge or a slope.
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| | Of course there is still a problem with the definition of round, but that is
being worked on best I know:
Brick Round:For items similar to bricks that have a completely or partially round
base, with or without attachments.
From there I think you can see that round refers to the base, wedge refers to
edge and slope refers to angle from base to top.
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But I'm not sure what "edge" really means here... I understand both the Brick,Round
and the Wedge to refer to the footprint. That's all good. It's just odd
to me that in the footprint it does matter whether the shape is part of a circle
(if yes = Brick,Round, if no = Wedge), but in the vertical dimension it is not
recognised and just thrown in with Slope. Even though there are many builds where
parts with a rounding in the vertical dimension are used in combination with
Brick,Round's - if you SNOT them they often have matching curves.
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If you lay any part on a different edge, you can presumably make it look like
something else.
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The way I would solve it is leaving all Brick,Round's and Wedges they way
they are now, and adding a new Brick, Rounded Top category, which would
consist of the following parts:
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But first define that category instead of just saying here is a bunch of things
which look like they belong together, so now they must be together. Then make
the definitions of all the other things that do not fit your current definition,
also better. In that manner you can progress from a bunch of things all over
the place to a catalogue.
Vertically rounded sounds like a bit of a long stretch - where is the vertical
axis you are looking at - is it the front view, the side view, the SNOT view
or some other acrobatic view?
It seems you are now putting all manner of parts which are arches (bricks with
a curved underside) together with parts which are curves on the outside together
with some parts which are round and maybe add some dome things there and not
others. Me failing to understand the logic applied is probably down to some lack
of knowledge on my part. But I do have difficulty with what you are proposing
because I still cannot understand how you move from base to edge to angle and
make them principally all the same.
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Let's reduce it to this simple question: Why would the catalog care about
roundedness when it is in horizontal dimensions, but not when it is in the vertical
dimension?
In the horizontal dimension, it seems to matter a lot whether the contour of
the part is a quarter circle (Brick,Round) or a sloping line (Wedge). But in
the vertical dimension, it's now all the same.. Everything is now a slope..
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| | | | | Author: | pitz8008 | | Posted: | Sep 3, 2020 08:53 | | Subject: | Re: Rounded bricks in "Slope Curved"? Really? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Very surprised to find moving rounded bricks to the Slope,Curved category. How
many people really were in favour of that idea and how many were against? I thought
the general sentiment was that curved slopes are an entirely different thing
than parts with a quarter circle.
Putting rounded parts in Slope,Curved really makes no sense to me. I'd really
like to see some kind of vote on this as I cannot imagine this is intuitive to
the users.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
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Some people don't know how to leave well enough alone. It's all completely
moronic and further proof why some people can't be trusted with a thimble
of power.
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