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 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
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Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
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On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later. […]

Great!
Whatever the laws, that was the thing to do.
 Author: Pippyblocks View Messages Posted By Pippyblocks
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Thanks Russell, will be appreciated by many.

In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
 Author: susiewood1959 View Messages Posted By susiewood1959
 Posted: Aug 4, 2020 01:30
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Hi, when does the "UK" leave the "EU" as far as the VAT collecting legislation
is concerned? What do you intend to do when we do leave?

In Administrative, Pippyblocks writes:
  Thanks Russell, will be appreciated by many.

In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Aug 4, 2020 01:38
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In Administrative, susiewood1959 writes:
  Hi, when does the "UK" leave the "EU" as far as the VAT collecting legislation
is concerned? What do you intend to do when we do leave?

The plan at this point is to collect VAT on fees for the EU (including the UK)
through December 2020, and in January 2021 register to collect VAT on fees in
the UK.
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

"We recently decided to absorb the cost of VAT on BrickLink fees until September
5. You will now only be charged VAT on fees for orders with a date of August
5, 2020 or later. Fees for orders placed before this date will not incur a VAT
charge."


That is the correct way of doing it, thanks!
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Thanks for the update Russell, and also I would like to say I really appreciate
how much effort you've made recently to discuss the specifics with all the
different members in different situations - even if 99% of it is none of my business
This kind of communication doesn't always happen, and I just want to point
out it makes a huge difference to us (well me, and some other members that I
boldly assume would agree ).

I especially like that the communication was very open about how far the process
was and what things have not yet been thought of or worked on. Bricklink doesn't
need to be perfect, it's the communication that counts. By giving users a
glimpse at the process and showing where things are still undetermined it allows
people to feel more involved. It probably means a lot more than Bricklink realises.
It can take away a lot of, well, anything from confusion to anger to anxiety
to conspiracy-theorizing about how Bricklink wants to abduct all sellers and
take their bricks I think without the clear communication and just the rumours,
the forum would have been on fire.

I hope we'll continue to see that kind of contact, although it feels like
it should be more than just 1 person's job. Anyway, thanks!
 Author: TakeAbricK View Messages Posted By TakeAbricK
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Hi Russell,

This is great new, thanks.
Since I enabled VAT again, this won't 'hurt' me now

Another thank you for helping me out testing non-EU costs.

Diana
 Author: Debstarcrazy View Messages Posted By Debstarcrazy
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

I am about to set up my shop in the UK but I’m very confused by this. My understanding
is that companies have to register for VAT when their profits are over a large
amount (say 40000, I don’t know the actual number). It is clear to me that virtually
none of the individual sellers on here will do that. Are Bricklink really saying
the people have to charge VAT on each small sale amount, like £5? I’m sure that’s
not right. I get that perhaps Bricklink itself has to register, but presumably
only because it is making those big profits? In that case why are individual
sellers being asked to pay? I don’t pay VAT on eBay sales for instance. Someone
needs to explain this please.
 Author: WhiteHorseMatt View Messages Posted By WhiteHorseMatt
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In Administrative, Debstarcrazy writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

I am about to set up my shop in the UK but I’m very confused by this. My understanding
is that companies have to register for VAT when their profits are over a large
amount (say 40000, I don’t know the actual number). It is clear to me that virtually
none of the individual sellers on here will do that. Are Bricklink really saying
the people have to charge VAT on each small sale amount, like £5? I’m sure that’s
not right. I get that perhaps Bricklink itself has to register, but presumably
only because it is making those big profits? In that case why are individual
sellers being asked to pay? I don’t pay VAT on eBay sales for instance. Someone
needs to explain this please.

I think you are reading this wrongly, although I may be wrong

I read the email as saying Brickling fees will now include VAT, not that VAT
will be charged on your orders automatically.

I.e. Bricklink fees will now be 3.5% + VAT so effectively 4.2%.
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  I read the email as saying Brickling fees will now include VAT, not that VAT
will be charged on your orders automatically.

I.e. Bricklink fees will now be 3.5% + VAT so effectively 4.2%.

3% + VAT, so 3.6% overall.
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
  I read the email as saying Brickling fees will now include VAT, not that VAT
will be charged on your orders automatically.

I.e. Bricklink fees will now be 3.5% + VAT so effectively 4.2%.

3% + VAT, so 3.6% overall.

The next step, however, is going to be Bricklink collecting VAT on orders as
well.
Don't know how it works in the UK but even though as a small business you
don't need to be VAT registered, I'm assuming you can do it if you want
to? Once Bricklink starts collecting VAT for us that's probably going to
be necessary to keep making a profit.
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
  I read the email as saying Brickling fees will now include VAT, not that VAT
will be charged on your orders automatically.

I.e. Bricklink fees will now be 3.5% + VAT so effectively 4.2%.

3% + VAT, so 3.6% overall.

Thanks, I had the Paypal figure stuck in my head clearly.
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  Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

I don't understand this.

You say that you are absorbing the costs of VAT up to September 4th.

You also say that on Sep 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges from August 5th.


These statements appear to be contradictory. Surely this means you are absorbing
the costs of VAT up to August 4th and charging for the VAT on orders from Aug
5, which will appear in Sep 5th invoices.
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
  Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

I don't understand this.

You say that you are absorbing the costs of VAT up to September 4th.

You also say that on Sep 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges from August 5th.


These statements appear to be contradictory. Surely this means you are absorbing
the costs of VAT up to August 4th and charging for the VAT on orders from Aug
5, which will appear in Sep 5th invoices.

The statement is not contradictory, but the confusion is logical.

VAT is calculated at the date of invoicing, hence September 4th. From Bricklink's
perspective, it is a cost upto September 4th.
That these invoices are generated based on services provided in the month or
months before that date, is rather irrelevant from VAT point of view.

For you as a seller (and consumer of this service), you are expected to 'eat'
the VAT cost in the month you receive the invoice and pay soon after, not necessarily
in the month you used the service.

The actual point that is being made, is that while Bricklink was supposed to
charge VAT from the moment onward they were registered in the EU, and they should
have charged this VAT onwards to their consumers, but instead they pay the tax
for you as they were not yet ready (or willing) to adjust the invoices accordingly.
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
  Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

I don't understand this.

You say that you are absorbing the costs of VAT up to September 4th.

You also say that on Sep 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges from August 5th.


These statements appear to be contradictory. Surely this means you are absorbing
the costs of VAT up to August 4th and charging for the VAT on orders from Aug
5, which will appear in Sep 5th invoices.

So if you are a small time seller, and only pay fees when it reaches $10, you
could be paying VAT on fees for an order that went through your system 12 months
ago !!

tpr
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In Administrative, tpr writes:
  […]
  
  On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.
[…]
So if you are a small time seller, and only pay fees when it reaches $10, you
could be paying VAT on fees for an order that went through your system 12 months
ago !!

Or even more if you’ve been here for years… but it won’t happen as BL decided
to apply VAT on the fees for orders placed on or after August, 5th, date after
which you will have agreed to the new ToS.
It’s in your quote (my emph.).
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In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, tpr writes:
  […]
  
  On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.
[…]
So if you are a small time seller, and only pay fees when it reaches $10, you
could be paying VAT on fees for an order that went through your system 12 months
ago !!

Or even more if you’ve been here for years… but it won’t happen as BL decided
to apply VAT on the fees for orders placed on or after August, 5th, date after
which you will have agreed to the new ToS.
It’s in your quote (my emph.).

Yes, it did seem wrong for them to try to introduce charging VAT for orders before
we were told they would be collecting VAT on their fees. So that is one good
change from the first announcement.

I do more than $10 a month most months I open my store, so it won't really
affect me. But I wonder if the $10 limit will now be $10 owed before or after
VAT.
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
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But I wonder if the $10 limit will now be $10 owed before or after
VAT.

IOW, $10 or $10.36 for UK/FR/…, or $10.357 for DE, or $10.375 for DK….

But didn’t Russell said they were thinking about opening a Euro account, and
thus invoicing in Euro?
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In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  […]
But I wonder if the $10 limit will now be $10 owed before or after
VAT.

IOW, $10 or $10.36 for UK/FR/…, or $10.357 for DE, or $10.375 for DK….

But didn’t Russell said they were thinking about opening a Euro account, and
thus invoicing in Euro?

It would make sense if they do.
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
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But I wonder if the $10 limit will now be $10 owed before or after
VAT.

IOW, $10 or $10.36 for UK/FR/…, or $10.357 for DE, or $10.375 for DK….

But didn’t Russell said they were thinking about opening a Euro account, and
thus invoicing in Euro?

It would make sense if they do

Don't know if I'm allowed to answer on this topic, but I was wondering...I
have a VAT number(professional seller in Belgium) and pay taxes on everything
I sell. There was something about that in the FAQ, does it mean that I don't
have to pay the VAT on BRicklink? How can I know this?
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In Administrative, kellyfrancis writes:
  […]
Don't know if I'm allowed to answer on this topic,

Of course everyone is “allowed” to post


   but I was wondering...I
have a VAT number(professional seller in Belgium) and pay taxes on everything
I sell. There was something about that in the FAQ, does it mean that I don't
have to pay the VAT on BRicklink? How can I know this?

You’re using BL’s VAT system, so BL knows you’re VAT-registered and they know
your VAT ID.
Therefore, you won’t be charged VAT on your BrickLink fees (because, for this
purpose, BL is in Danemark and intra-EU services are 0% VAT).
The invoice shall tell you that.


It’s implied in point 22 in the FAQ:

“22. Why do VAT-registered EU sellers not have to pay VAT on their BrickLink
store fees?

VAT-enabled sellers already pay VAT through self-accounting practices. Instead
of paying them to BrickLink, they pay them directly to the relevant tax authority.”

The question tells us that BL won’t charge VAT on their fees for VAT-registered
EU sellers.

The answer tells us that, as you’re VAT-registered in your country, you’re responsible
for your accounting and for paying the taxes in your country.
You’re “buying” BL services, “importing” them from Danemark to Belgium, you’ve
to pay the VAT yourself.  In French it’s called “autoliquidation.”
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In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, kellyfrancis writes:
  […]
Don't know if I'm allowed to answer on this topic,

Of course everyone is “allowed” to post


   but I was wondering...I
have a VAT number(professional seller in Belgium) and pay taxes on everything
I sell. There was something about that in the FAQ, does it mean that I don't
have to pay the VAT on BRicklink? How can I know this?

You’re using BL’s VAT system, so BL knows you’re VAT-registered and they know
your VAT ID.
Therefore, you won’t be charged VAT on your BrickLink fees (because, for this
purpose, BL is in Danemark and intra-EU services are 0% VAT).
The invoice shall tell you that.


It’s implied in point 22 in the FAQ:

“22. Why do VAT-registered EU sellers not have to pay VAT on their BrickLink
store fees?

VAT-enabled sellers already pay VAT through self-accounting practices. Instead
of paying them to BrickLink, they pay them directly to the relevant tax authority.”

The question tells us that BL won’t charge VAT on their fees for VAT-registered
EU sellers.

The answer tells us that, as you’re VAT-registered in your country, you’re responsible
for your accounting and for paying the taxes in your country.
You’re “buying” BL services, “importing” them from Danemark to Belgium, you’ve
to pay the VAT yourself.  In French it’s called “auto liquidation.”

Thank you for your answer, glad to know that I won't have to pay double
One last question. What am I supposed to do with the little square with 'VAT'
above? Should I mark it or not?
 
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Thank you for your answer, glad to know that I won't have to pay double
One last question. What am I supposed to do with the little square with 'VAT'
above? Should I mark it or not?

I’ve no idea.
I don’t know how the VAT interface looks like for a seller so I don’t know what
that checkbox refers to.
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In Administrative, kellyfrancis writes:
  In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, kellyfrancis writes:
  […]
Don't know if I'm allowed to answer on this topic,

Of course everyone is “allowed” to post


   but I was wondering...I
have a VAT number(professional seller in Belgium) and pay taxes on everything
I sell. There was something about that in the FAQ, does it mean that I don't
have to pay the VAT on BRicklink? How can I know this?

You’re using BL’s VAT system, so BL knows you’re VAT-registered and they know
your VAT ID.
Therefore, you won’t be charged VAT on your BrickLink fees (because, for this
purpose, BL is in Danemark and intra-EU services are 0% VAT).
The invoice shall tell you that.


It’s implied in point 22 in the FAQ:

“22. Why do VAT-registered EU sellers not have to pay VAT on their BrickLink
store fees?

VAT-enabled sellers already pay VAT through self-accounting practices. Instead
of paying them to BrickLink, they pay them directly to the relevant tax authority.”

The question tells us that BL won’t charge VAT on their fees for VAT-registered
EU sellers.

The answer tells us that, as you’re VAT-registered in your country, you’re responsible
for your accounting and for paying the taxes in your country.
You’re “buying” BL services, “importing” them from Danemark to Belgium, you’ve
to pay the VAT yourself.  In French it’s called “auto liquidation.”

Thank you for your answer, glad to know that I won't have to pay double
One last question. What am I supposed to do with the little square with 'VAT'
above? Should I mark it or not?

I suppose this is from the orders received page? The checkmark indicates if VAT
is applied. Bricklink sets the checkmark automatically, based on:
- your VAT setting (you are a VAT-registered seller as I understand). In your
store management you need to select on which fees of the order the VAT should
be applied (shipping, insurance, additional fee 1, etc). Those settings might
be depending on your countries tax laws.
- shipping address / location of the buyer. If it is in the same VAT-area (EU
in this case) as you, the checkmark is there. If it is outside your VAT-area
(for example Canada), there is no checkmark and there is no VAT applied.

You can change it manually, because there are some special cases Bricklink can't
handle. For example B2B transactions within the EU could be done as 0% VAT (intra-community
delivery in English?) if certain conditions are met.
- buyers
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In Administrative, NelisSolis writes:
  In Administrative, kellyfrancis writes:
  In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
  In Administrative, kellyfrancis writes:
  […]
Don't know if I'm allowed to answer on this topic,

Of course everyone is “allowed” to post


   but I was wondering...I
have a VAT number(professional seller in Belgium) and pay taxes on everything
I sell. There was something about that in the FAQ, does it mean that I don't
have to pay the VAT on BRicklink? How can I know this?

You’re using BL’s VAT system, so BL knows you’re VAT-registered and they know
your VAT ID.
Therefore, you won’t be charged VAT on your BrickLink fees (because, for this
purpose, BL is in Danemark and intra-EU services are 0% VAT).
The invoice shall tell you that.


It’s implied in point 22 in the FAQ:

“22. Why do VAT-registered EU sellers not have to pay VAT on their BrickLink
store fees?

VAT-enabled sellers already pay VAT through self-accounting practices. Instead
of paying them to BrickLink, they pay them directly to the relevant tax authority.”

The question tells us that BL won’t charge VAT on their fees for VAT-registered
EU sellers.

The answer tells us that, as you’re VAT-registered in your country, you’re responsible
for your accounting and for paying the taxes in your country.
You’re “buying” BL services, “importing” them from Danemark to Belgium, you’ve
to pay the VAT yourself.  In French it’s called “auto liquidation.”

Thank you for your answer, glad to know that I won't have to pay double
One last question. What am I supposed to do with the little square with 'VAT'
above? Should I mark it or not?

I suppose this is from the orders received page? The checkmark indicates if VAT
is applied. Bricklink sets the checkmark automatically, based on:
- your VAT setting (you are a VAT-registered seller as I understand). In your
store management you need to select on which fees of the order the VAT should
be applied (shipping, insurance, additional fee 1, etc). Those settings might
be depending on your countries tax laws.
- shipping address / location of the buyer. If it is in the same VAT-area (EU
in this case) as you, the checkmark is there. If it is outside your VAT-area
(for example Canada), there is no checkmark and there is no VAT applied.

You can change it manually, because there are some special cases Bricklink can't
handle. For example B2B transactions within the EU could be done as 0% VAT (intra-community
delivery in English?) if certain conditions are met.
- buyers

Hello

Yes it is indeed from the orders received page.
Right now, the VAT is charged only on the item that people buy, which is correct.
In Belgium, we already pay VAT on shippings.

Thanks everybody for your help!
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team


Dear BrickLink members,

VAT on BrickLink fees will first be charged during the billing cycle which runs
tonight at 3:00 AM BrickLink time (Eastern time in the US).

There is also a slight update to the previous announcement. Instead of taxing
fees on orders beginning August 5, we will actually begin with orders placed
on August 1, 2020. Changing the invoice period or running an additional billing
cycle turned out to be more complicated than the tax deployment itself and we
were concerned it would cause further delay to our tax compliance measures.

We realize that members were not required to sign the new Terms of Service until
August 5. However, we did make the announcement about these changes on July 24:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1211798

and the new Terms of Service themselves were made public on July 28:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1212869

with an email going out to the entire membership later that day.

We also realize that some members may have difficulty understanding how the VAT
is being calculated, so for that please contact the Help Desk. Our goal is to
provide complete transparency during this period of change.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
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There are some things you should not read over breakfast. This is one of them.
I see a disturbing trend on BL to gloss over ineptitude and frankly morally bankrupt
corporate behaviour on the part of BrickLink. As a customer of BL I find this
unacceptable.

I said right from the very beginning of the two tax issues that I do not believe
BL can manage the collection of third party trust monies properly. The proof
is in the pudding and unfortunately "I told you so" is simply not good enough.


Users have already now a broken NPB system, the ToS update was urgent to resolve
a tax issues which has in certain instances been pushed back a month already,
BL customers are going to pay through fees not being passed on for experts, which
experts did not understand the roll-out apparently and you now have BL collecting
fees it is not entitled to and attempting to gloss it over with a reference to
an earlier message which is in of itself not correct. All while sellers get a
new broken inventory management system to contend with.

What a company who subscribes to the values of transparency and good governance
will do upon these issues being a problem is the following:

1. Write a proper letter to stores highlighting the fact that the ToS BL customers
agreed to, is causing administrative problems.
2. Request of customers to be patient for a period of time while this gets resolved;
3. Explain properly to customers that the issues exist despite "experts" being
appointed to avoid this (one would hope they have the backbone not to pay these
"experts");
4. In order to avoid further delays and in order to avoid a possible governance
problems, customers of BL in the EU will have the entire amount of taxes for
the month of August added to their fees;
5. BL realises of course that this is not the agreement with its customers;
6. For fees paid which include the incorrect amount of fees calculated and incorrectly
recovered from sellers for the period 1 August to 5 August 2020, BL will do the
following:
6.1 During the payment period to 5 October 2020, BL will manually calculate the
incorrect fees levied for each seller;
6.2 On 6 October 2020 BL will pass a credit note for the incorrect fees so collected;
6.3 On 6 October the credit note so passed will be issued at the exchange rate
ruling on the date the seller paid the fees or 6 October 2020, whichever is more
beneficial to the customer;
6.4 on 7 October 2020 the amount of the credit note will be refunded directly
to sellers;
6.5 Sellers who did not pay fees, either because here were insufficient sales
or because they declined to pay the invoice in time, will have the credit note
offset against their outstanding fee balance, billed or not;
6.6 Sellers must please not offset amounts themselves. BL realises that payments
and subsequent refunds are not the ideal, but humbly request of sellers to assist
to ease the administrative burden on all parties concerned.
7. BL humbly apologises for the administrative difficulties they find themselves
in, and asks customers for their patience while it is being resolved over the
course of the next 31 days.

The notice as sent out by the Administrative team as below, does not make it
clear that BL is collecting these additional fees with a view of paying it over
as taxes, or whether it is merely collecting extra fees because of an administrative
burden they brought on themselves for not thinking properly and is making their
customers pay an under budgeted expense simply because it is too difficult to
do things properly.

I am actually alright with BL doing things halfway and then shelving it because
it does not work properly or they find some other more pressing issue to entertain
themselves with. It is somehow endearing and sometimes cute.

It is one thing when BL promises seller's tools and shelves it. It is one
thing when BL cannot get an inventory page to work properly. It is quite another
thing when BL starts invoicing fees it is not entitled to from its customers
and its customers did not expressly agree to them charging.
You cannot gloss
over the fact that the agreement with sellers as customers of BL, is exactly
that BL WILL not collect these extra fees purportedly as taxes before an agreed
upon date.

And if any person out there still believes that BL can correctly administer the
USA sales taxes when that so-called urgently required issue rears its head, think
again. BL is making a mockery of the contractual based system that is in place
to manage relationships between buyers and sellers. BL should start making it
their business to treat heir customers with a bit more respect for the rules
they themselves have put in place. This is not something that should have to
be explained to BL by a customer.


In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team


Dear BrickLink members,

VAT on BrickLink fees will first be charged during the billing cycle which runs
tonight at 3:00 AM BrickLink time (Eastern time in the US).

There is also a slight update to the previous announcement. Instead of taxing
fees on orders beginning August 5, we will actually begin with orders placed
on August 1, 2020. Changing the invoice period or running an additional billing
cycle turned out to be more complicated than the tax deployment itself and we
were concerned it would cause further delay to our tax compliance measures.

We realize that members were not required to sign the new Terms of Service until
August 5. However, we did make the announcement about these changes on July 24:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1211798

and the new Terms of Service themselves were made public on July 28:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1212869

with an email going out to the entire membership later that day.

We also realize that some members may have difficulty understanding how the VAT
is being calculated, so for that please contact the Help Desk. Our goal is to
provide complete transparency during this period of change.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team
 Author: NelisSolis View Messages Posted By NelisSolis
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team


Dear BrickLink members,

VAT on BrickLink fees will first be charged during the billing cycle which runs
tonight at 3:00 AM BrickLink time (Eastern time in the US).

There is also a slight update to the previous announcement. Instead of taxing
fees on orders beginning August 5, we will actually begin with orders placed
on August 1, 2020. Changing the invoice period or running an additional billing
cycle turned out to be more complicated than the tax deployment itself and we
were concerned it would cause further delay to our tax compliance measures.

We realize that members were not required to sign the new Terms of Service until
August 5. However, we did make the announcement about these changes on July 24:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1211798

and the new Terms of Service themselves were made public on July 28:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1212869

with an email going out to the entire membership later that day.

We also realize that some members may have difficulty understanding how the VAT
is being calculated, so for that please contact the Help Desk. Our goal is to
provide complete transparency during this period of change.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Hello Russell,

the invoice I received today is in format exactly the same as previous ones (before
the VAT-thing). I think that is not correct, because the transaction is a Intra-Community
transaction, which should be noted as so on the invoice (VAT Directive 2006/112/EC,
article 226, sub 11) along with other information mentioned in Section 4 of that
Directive.

Please provide a correct and complete invoice which is compliant with the VAT
Directive 2006/112/EC, so VAT-registered sellers can process the invoice correctly.

Niels
NelisSolis Toys
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In Administrative, NelisSolis writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team


Dear BrickLink members,

VAT on BrickLink fees will first be charged during the billing cycle which runs
tonight at 3:00 AM BrickLink time (Eastern time in the US).

There is also a slight update to the previous announcement. Instead of taxing
fees on orders beginning August 5, we will actually begin with orders placed
on August 1, 2020. Changing the invoice period or running an additional billing
cycle turned out to be more complicated than the tax deployment itself and we
were concerned it would cause further delay to our tax compliance measures.

We realize that members were not required to sign the new Terms of Service until
August 5. However, we did make the announcement about these changes on July 24:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1211798

and the new Terms of Service themselves were made public on July 28:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1212869

with an email going out to the entire membership later that day.

We also realize that some members may have difficulty understanding how the VAT
is being calculated, so for that please contact the Help Desk. Our goal is to
provide complete transparency during this period of change.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Hello Russell,

the invoice I received today is in format exactly the same as previous ones (before
the VAT-thing). I think that is not correct, because the transaction is a Intra-Community
transaction, which should be noted as so on the invoice (VAT Directive 2006/112/EC,
article 226, sub 11) along with other information mentioned in Section 4 of that
Directive.

Please provide a correct and complete invoice which is compliant with the VAT
Directive 2006/112/EC, so VAT-registered sellers can process the invoice correctly.

Niels
NelisSolis Toys

+1
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, NelisSolis writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team


Dear BrickLink members,

VAT on BrickLink fees will first be charged during the billing cycle which runs
tonight at 3:00 AM BrickLink time (Eastern time in the US).

There is also a slight update to the previous announcement. Instead of taxing
fees on orders beginning August 5, we will actually begin with orders placed
on August 1, 2020. Changing the invoice period or running an additional billing
cycle turned out to be more complicated than the tax deployment itself and we
were concerned it would cause further delay to our tax compliance measures.

We realize that members were not required to sign the new Terms of Service until
August 5. However, we did make the announcement about these changes on July 24:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1211798

and the new Terms of Service themselves were made public on July 28:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1212869

with an email going out to the entire membership later that day.

We also realize that some members may have difficulty understanding how the VAT
is being calculated, so for that please contact the Help Desk. Our goal is to
provide complete transparency during this period of change.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Hello Russell,

the invoice I received today is in format exactly the same as previous ones (before
the VAT-thing). I think that is not correct, because the transaction is a Intra-Community
transaction, which should be noted as so on the invoice (VAT Directive 2006/112/EC,
article 226, sub 11) along with other information mentioned in Section 4 of that
Directive.

Please provide a correct and complete invoice which is compliant with the VAT
Directive 2006/112/EC, so VAT-registered sellers can process the invoice correctly.

Niels
NelisSolis Toys

+1

Or perhaps Bricklink is invoicing us from their US registration? They could emulate
the 0% VAT for business sellers by invoicing those sellers from their US business,
while invoicing non-business sellers from their European business.

Either way, yes, what they cannot do is invoice us from their European business
and not create a legally valid invoice that includes details such as their VAT
ID.
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Location:  Netherlands, Zuid-Holland
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Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, NelisSolis writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team


Dear BrickLink members,

VAT on BrickLink fees will first be charged during the billing cycle which runs
tonight at 3:00 AM BrickLink time (Eastern time in the US).

There is also a slight update to the previous announcement. Instead of taxing
fees on orders beginning August 5, we will actually begin with orders placed
on August 1, 2020. Changing the invoice period or running an additional billing
cycle turned out to be more complicated than the tax deployment itself and we
were concerned it would cause further delay to our tax compliance measures.

We realize that members were not required to sign the new Terms of Service until
August 5. However, we did make the announcement about these changes on July 24:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1211798

and the new Terms of Service themselves were made public on July 28:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1212869

with an email going out to the entire membership later that day.

We also realize that some members may have difficulty understanding how the VAT
is being calculated, so for that please contact the Help Desk. Our goal is to
provide complete transparency during this period of change.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Hello Russell,

the invoice I received today is in format exactly the same as previous ones (before
the VAT-thing). I think that is not correct, because the transaction is a Intra-Community
transaction, which should be noted as so on the invoice (VAT Directive 2006/112/EC,
article 226, sub 11) along with other information mentioned in Section 4 of that
Directive.

Please provide a correct and complete invoice which is compliant with the VAT
Directive 2006/112/EC, so VAT-registered sellers can process the invoice correctly.

Niels
NelisSolis Toys

+1

Or perhaps Bricklink is invoicing us from their US registration? They could emulate
the 0% VAT for business sellers by invoicing those sellers from their US business,
while invoicing non-business sellers from their European business.


Possibly, but on your fees page, it is stated that “ Since you are a VAT-registered
trader, BrickLink will not charge VAT on your BrickLink order fees pursuant to
Article 196 of the VAT Directive 2006/112/EC.” At least this suggests it should
be handled as an intra-community delivery with “ VAT reverse charged” on the
invoice, sellers VAT ID, BrickLink’s VAT ID and 0% VAT (instead of no VAT).


  Either way, yes, what they cannot do is invoice us from their European business
and not create a legally valid invoice that includes details such as their VAT
ID.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Sep 5, 2020 10:09
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Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
Member Since Contact Type Status
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Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: BLOKJESKONING
In Administrative, NelisSolis writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, NelisSolis writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team


Dear BrickLink members,

VAT on BrickLink fees will first be charged during the billing cycle which runs
tonight at 3:00 AM BrickLink time (Eastern time in the US).

There is also a slight update to the previous announcement. Instead of taxing
fees on orders beginning August 5, we will actually begin with orders placed
on August 1, 2020. Changing the invoice period or running an additional billing
cycle turned out to be more complicated than the tax deployment itself and we
were concerned it would cause further delay to our tax compliance measures.

We realize that members were not required to sign the new Terms of Service until
August 5. However, we did make the announcement about these changes on July 24:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1211798

and the new Terms of Service themselves were made public on July 28:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1212869

with an email going out to the entire membership later that day.

We also realize that some members may have difficulty understanding how the VAT
is being calculated, so for that please contact the Help Desk. Our goal is to
provide complete transparency during this period of change.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Hello Russell,

the invoice I received today is in format exactly the same as previous ones (before
the VAT-thing). I think that is not correct, because the transaction is a Intra-Community
transaction, which should be noted as so on the invoice (VAT Directive 2006/112/EC,
article 226, sub 11) along with other information mentioned in Section 4 of that
Directive.

Please provide a correct and complete invoice which is compliant with the VAT
Directive 2006/112/EC, so VAT-registered sellers can process the invoice correctly.

Niels
NelisSolis Toys

+1

Or perhaps Bricklink is invoicing us from their US registration? They could emulate
the 0% VAT for business sellers by invoicing those sellers from their US business,
while invoicing non-business sellers from their European business.


Possibly, but on your fees page, it is stated that “ Since you are a VAT-registered
trader, BrickLink will not charge VAT on your BrickLink order fees pursuant to
Article 196 of the VAT Directive 2006/112/EC.” At least this suggests it should
be handled as an intra-community delivery with “ VAT reverse charged” on the
invoice, sellers VAT ID, BrickLink’s VAT ID and 0% VAT (instead of no VAT).


  Either way, yes, what they cannot do is invoice us from their European business
and not create a legally valid invoice that includes details such as their VAT
ID.

True... and as Kaat pointed out the non-business invoices are the same. They
supposedly had super professional help getting this tax stuff done but if they
can't even write an invoice I'm wondering how professional that help
really was.
Hope this will be fixed this month so people can do their Q3 tax reports without
problems.
 Author: davroman View Messages Posted By davroman
 Posted: Sep 7, 2020 06:46
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Location:  Czech Republic, Královéhradecký Kraj
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Store: TDH Bricks
Hello, I am VAT registered seller and received invoice with VAT as well. Besides
there is no VAT percentage stated, I am missing my legal entity name, address
and VAT number as well as legal entity name, address and VAT number of the invoice
issuer, it means Bricklink. There is missed unique invoice number and date of
issue as well! Can somebody tell me when this will be corrected so I can pay
it and take the invoice in to my accounting books?

And second point - I verified my VAT number beginning of August as requested
before. Today I checked my settings and recognized I am asked to verify my VAT
again. Why?
Ok, I did it and all works fine - VAT verified. I jumped to Order received page
and after while got an idea to return back to VAT management page. I recognized
I am asked to verify my VAT again! )
The issue seems to be the "SAVE" button is not active after VAT number verification
so no chance to save it whithout change of anything else. This should be corrected
if there is neccessary to save the verification! BTW, how ofen we will have to
verify our registrations? Thanks.


In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, NelisSolis writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, NelisSolis writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team


Dear BrickLink members,

VAT on BrickLink fees will first be charged during the billing cycle which runs
tonight at 3:00 AM BrickLink time (Eastern time in the US).

There is also a slight update to the previous announcement. Instead of taxing
fees on orders beginning August 5, we will actually begin with orders placed
on August 1, 2020. Changing the invoice period or running an additional billing
cycle turned out to be more complicated than the tax deployment itself and we
were concerned it would cause further delay to our tax compliance measures.

We realize that members were not required to sign the new Terms of Service until
August 5. However, we did make the announcement about these changes on July 24:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1211798

and the new Terms of Service themselves were made public on July 28:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1212869

with an email going out to the entire membership later that day.

We also realize that some members may have difficulty understanding how the VAT
is being calculated, so for that please contact the Help Desk. Our goal is to
provide complete transparency during this period of change.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Hello Russell,

the invoice I received today is in format exactly the same as previous ones (before
the VAT-thing). I think that is not correct, because the transaction is a Intra-Community
transaction, which should be noted as so on the invoice (VAT Directive 2006/112/EC,
article 226, sub 11) along with other information mentioned in Section 4 of that
Directive.

Please provide a correct and complete invoice which is compliant with the VAT
Directive 2006/112/EC, so VAT-registered sellers can process the invoice correctly.

Niels
NelisSolis Toys

+1

Or perhaps Bricklink is invoicing us from their US registration? They could emulate
the 0% VAT for business sellers by invoicing those sellers from their US business,
while invoicing non-business sellers from their European business.


Possibly, but on your fees page, it is stated that “ Since you are a VAT-registered
trader, BrickLink will not charge VAT on your BrickLink order fees pursuant to
Article 196 of the VAT Directive 2006/112/EC.” At least this suggests it should
be handled as an intra-community delivery with “ VAT reverse charged” on the
invoice, sellers VAT ID, BrickLink’s VAT ID and 0% VAT (instead of no VAT).


  Either way, yes, what they cannot do is invoice us from their European business
and not create a legally valid invoice that includes details such as their VAT
ID.

True... and as Kaat pointed out the non-business invoices are the same. They
supposedly had super professional help getting this tax stuff done but if they
can't even write an invoice I'm wondering how professional that help
really was.
Hope this will be fixed this month so people can do their Q3 tax reports without
problems.
 Author: kaat View Messages Posted By kaat
 Posted: Sep 5, 2020 04:24
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Location:  Netherlands, Zuid-Holland
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Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: ilovebricks.nl
In Administrative, NelisSolis writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  Dear BrickLink members,

Today, we will further our Covid-19 commitment to you that the BrickLink site
would be ready and available for you to use during this difficult time. Specifically,
we will provide additional relief to help some of our most vulnerable sellers.

Originally, we were planning to charge VAT starting August 5 on fees generated
for orders placed on July 1 or later. We have decided to delay and consequently
also to absorb the costs related to the charging of VAT to EU sellers between
now and September 4. On September 5, invoices will reflect VAT charges on BrickLink
fees for orders placed on August 5 or later.

We remain focused on serving the BrickLink community and hope you will appreciate
this decision. Please refer to the FAQ which has been updated accordingly:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2501

As always, please continue to let us know of your concerns and issues surrounding
these deployments in the following thread or through our Help Desk (customersupport@bricklink.com).

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team


Dear BrickLink members,

VAT on BrickLink fees will first be charged during the billing cycle which runs
tonight at 3:00 AM BrickLink time (Eastern time in the US).

There is also a slight update to the previous announcement. Instead of taxing
fees on orders beginning August 5, we will actually begin with orders placed
on August 1, 2020. Changing the invoice period or running an additional billing
cycle turned out to be more complicated than the tax deployment itself and we
were concerned it would cause further delay to our tax compliance measures.

We realize that members were not required to sign the new Terms of Service until
August 5. However, we did make the announcement about these changes on July 24:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1211798

and the new Terms of Service themselves were made public on July 28:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1212869

with an email going out to the entire membership later that day.

We also realize that some members may have difficulty understanding how the VAT
is being calculated, so for that please contact the Help Desk. Our goal is to
provide complete transparency during this period of change.

Thank you,

The BrickLink Team

Hello Russell,

the invoice I received today is in format exactly the same as previous ones (before
the VAT-thing). I think that is not correct, because the transaction is a Intra-Community
transaction, which should be noted as so on the invoice (VAT Directive 2006/112/EC,
article 226, sub 11) along with other information mentioned in Section 4 of that
Directive.

Please provide a correct and complete invoice which is compliant with the VAT
Directive 2006/112/EC, so VAT-registered sellers can process the invoice correctly.

Niels
NelisSolis Toys

Hi Russell,

The same counts for the invoice where you specify VAT. I can calculate it is
21% that you add, but it isn't specified as such. Instead of "VAT" It should
say "21% VAT" and please also specify what the "relevant tax authority" is by
mentioning the VAT number that you use to collect the VAT.

Remi