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 Author: jonwil View Messages Posted By jonwil
 Posted: Aug 3, 2020 03:19
 Subject: Super Mario - Minifigs vs Animals
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jonwil (82)

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How was it decided which enemies should be minifigs and which should be animals?

A Monty Mole for example seems very much like an animal to me because it is a
mole and not sentient in any way
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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In Catalog, jonwil writes:
  How was it decided which enemies should be minifigs and which should be animals?

I'm not a fan of waiting, but I was waiting patiently for this topic to arise.
Fortunately, I was not required to wait long.

I originally had them all categorized as figures. I would like to see, by the
way, all figures eventually categorized that way whether they are animal or human
figures. It would solve problems.

Then I moved most to animals based on the new sorting criteria. I discovered
that the new criteria didn't help too terribly much. Or, to put it differently,
they didn't assist as much as I would've hoped.

To answer your question, the ones I left as figures were those that had seemed
to play some kind of role in the series as characters, especially with speaking
parts. My selection might not have been perfect, I'll admit. We can move
animals to figures or figures to animals as deemed necessary.

  A Monty Mole for example seems very much like an animal to me because it is a
mole and not sentient in any way

I was definitely undecided about Monty Mole. It was a tough one. But this was
a playable character in at least four Mario games. In one game a Monty Mole
was an ally to the main characters. In another game a Monty Mole operated a
tank and in a different game a three-barreled cannon.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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  A Monty Mole for example seems very much like an animal to me because it is a
mole and not sentient in any way

I was definitely undecided about Monty Mole. It was a tough one. But this was
a playable character in at least four Mario games. In one game a Monty Mole
was an ally to the main characters. In another game a Monty Mole operated a
tank and in a different game a three-barreled cannon.

If these animals are minifigures:

 
Minifig No: uni05  Name: Fee Bee
* 
uni05 (Inv) Fee Bee
Minifigures: Unikitty!
 
Minifig No: uni13  Name: Sssnake
* 
uni13 (Inv) Sssnake
Minifigures: Unikitty!
 
Minifig No: uni15  Name: Dino Dude
* 
uni15 (Inv) Dino Dude
Minifigures: Unikitty!

then every character in Super Mario should also be a minifigure. As should Scooby-Doo
and similar animal based characters.
 Author: hpoort View Messages Posted By hpoort
 Posted: Aug 3, 2020 04:55
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, jonwil writes:
  How was it decided which enemies should be minifigs and which should be animals?

I'm not a fan of waiting, but I was waiting patiently for this topic to arise.
Fortunately, I was not required to wait long.

I originally had them all categorized as figures. I would like to see, by the
way, all figures eventually categorized that way whether they are animal or human
figures. It would solve problems.

Then I moved most to animals based on the new sorting criteria. I discovered
that the new criteria didn't help too terribly much. Or, to put it differently,
they didn't assist as much as I would've hoped.

To answer your question, the ones I left as figures were those that had seemed
to play some kind of role in the series as characters, especially with speaking
parts. My selection might not have been perfect, I'll admit. We can move
animals to figures or figures to animals as deemed necessary.

  A Monty Mole for example seems very much like an animal to me because it is a
mole and not sentient in any way

I was definitely undecided about Monty Mole. It was a tough one. But this was
a playable character in at least four Mario games. In one game a Monty Mole
was an ally to the main characters. In another game a Monty Mole operated a
tank and in a different game a three-barreled cannon.

I would suggest extending the item name to include the context ('Mario',
lifeform ('animal' and specific animal ('mole', 'dog',
'snake', etc.). That way, they would show up in searches despite being
in whatever category they are placed and whatever given name they may have.
In the absence of another tag system, the item name has to take that burden.
I can't see any problem with using longer, more descriptive names. So let's
use that field to our advantage.
Or maybe we'd need a new category for all those animal-character-named whatever
figures where the distinction is unclear.
 Author: Miro78 View Messages Posted By Miro78
 Posted: Aug 3, 2020 10:35
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, jonwil writes:
  How was it decided which enemies should be minifigs and which should be animals?

I'm not a fan of waiting, but I was waiting patiently for this topic to arise.
Fortunately, I was not required to wait long.

I originally had them all categorized as figures. I would like to see, by the
way, all figures eventually categorized that way whether they are animal or human
figures. It would solve problems.

Then I moved most to animals based on the new sorting criteria. I discovered
that the new criteria didn't help too terribly much. Or, to put it differently,
they didn't assist as much as I would've hoped.

To answer your question, the ones I left as figures were those that had seemed
to play some kind of role in the series as characters, especially with speaking
parts. My selection might not have been perfect, I'll admit. We can move
animals to figures or figures to animals as deemed necessary.

  A Monty Mole for example seems very much like an animal to me because it is a
mole and not sentient in any way

I was definitely undecided about Monty Mole. It was a tough one. But this was
a playable character in at least four Mario games. In one game a Monty Mole
was an ally to the main characters. In another game a Monty Mole operated a
tank and in a different game a three-barreled cannon.

Oh no, what a mess. I know they do not fit the classic definition of a minifigure
anyway, but for the sake of a lack of a better category (fictional character
or something like that) I would just keep them all under the minifigure. For
example Mario Bob-omb is not an animal in any shape or form. It's a fictional
character. Bombs with feet are not land animals.

After all there are many minifigures from Ninjago that are snakelike and are
included in the minifigure category. Keeping all of these characters together
will just make for an easier chore in finding and purchasing them.

[p=mariobobomb01]

Miro
 Author: BulbaNerd4000 View Messages Posted By BulbaNerd4000
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In Catalog, jonwil writes:
  How was it decided which enemies should be minifigs and which should be animals?

A Monty Mole for example seems very much like an animal to me because it is a
mole and not sentient in any way

What about under "part"?
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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In Catalog, jonwil writes:
  How was it decided which enemies should be minifigs and which should be animals?

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=M&catString=1095
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, jonwil writes:
  How was it decided which enemies should be minifigs and which should be animals?

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=M&catString=1095

Thank you for making all of the minifigs!
 Author: pikachu3 View Messages Posted By pikachu3
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In Catalog, jonwil writes:
  A Monty Mole for example seems very much like an animal to me because it is a
mole and not sentient in any way

I wouldn't assume that BrickLink has an agreed-upon definition for sentience.
I would argue that animals are very much sentient.