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 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
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Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks
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 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

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Because it isn't a door. It doesn't open as there are tabs on both sides
(like a window).
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

Because it isn't a door. It doesn't open as there are tabs on both sides
(like a window).

Plus it is very similar to other bars such as the old portculis grille, fences,
window bars, etc.
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

Because it isn't a door. It doesn't open as there are tabs on both sides
(like a window).

Okay Then why these notes within the listing?
 
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In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

Because it isn't a door. It doesn't open as there are tabs on both sides
(like a window).

Okay Then why these notes within the listing?

Probably cut and paste from the other door listings that fit with the same frames.
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In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  
  Because it isn't a door. It doesn't open as there are tabs on both sides
(like a window).



 


 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

The purpose of this page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1568

Was to address situations like this. However, in this instance the page fails.
I believe the ways in which that page fails will become more clear soon:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1200979

As for the relationship match for 92589, the language used is standardized for
that type of match. It can't be customized for each individual match within
itself. And it is accurate for this part because the part is used as a door
in some sets, although perhaps not within the frames listed.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

The purpose of this page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1568

Was to address situations like this. However, in this instance the page fails.
I believe the ways in which that page fails will become more clear soon:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1200979

As for the relationship match for 92589, the language used is standardized for
that type of match. It can't be customized for each individual match within
itself. And it is accurate for this part because the part is used as a door
in some sets, although perhaps not within the frames listed.

Thanks, Robert.

That's a lot of wording with little reasoning, at least from this user's
point of view.

As I posted, I'm ONLY just curious, as I adjust our inventory for sell-off,
and I'm just as confounded as I was before posting.

However for me, it matters not at all. Roll-on as you will, I'll adapt.

You guys of cat-team do a great job!
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In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  That's a lot of wording with little reasoning, at least from this user's
point of view.

  You guys of cat-team do a great job!

Those two statements are conflicting. Please define the lack of reasoning and
the specific place you found it, with perhaps an example.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  That's a lot of wording with little reasoning, at least from this user's
point of view.

  You guys of cat-team do a great job!

Please define the lack of reasoning and the specific place you found it, with perhaps an example.

No.

But, keep up the hard work. I, for one, appreciate the volunteer effort you and
the others put in.
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  No.

I think I understand now. You weren't faulting the reasoning I presented,
you were saying that you still don't understand why these two parts are in
separate categories.

To answer that: the reason these two parts are in separate categories is that
someone decided they should be. There were no reasons given for the decision
and all these years later I can only make assumptions.

I wasn't trying to answer the reason why things are the way they are. Instead,
I was answering the unspoken question: what are we going to do about it? And
the short answer is nothing right now, but possibly something in a month or so.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  No.

I think I understand now. You weren't faulting the reasoning I presented,
you were saying that you still don't understand why these two parts are in
separate categories.

To answer that: the reason these two parts are in separate categories is that
someone decided they should be. There were no reasons given for the decision
and all these years later I can only make assumptions.

I wasn't trying to answer the reason why things are the way they are. Instead,
I was answering the unspoken question: what are we going to do about it? And
the short answer is nothing right now, but possibly something in a month or so.

Thanks, I understand better, now.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

The purpose of this page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1568

Was to address situations like this. However, in this instance the page fails.
I believe the ways in which that page fails will become more clear soon:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1200979

As for the relationship match for 92589, the language used is standardized for
that type of match. It can't be customized for each individual match within
itself. And it is accurate for this part because the part is used as a door
in some sets, although perhaps not within the frames listed.

Well.. Cory does have a point. You can't really defend that that wording
is ok because it is a door in other situations. It says "this door fits with
this door frame" - you would expect it to be a door in that situation but ironically,
it is exactly the situation where it's not.

I don't really see why it can't be changed. "Door" items have "this door
fits with the following door frame". "Glass" items have "This glass fits with
the following window" - so why can't "Bar" items have "This bar fits with
the following window/frame"? If no such thing can be added and you'd need
to choose between the window text and the door text, in my opinion the window
text would be better, as a door really is different functionality.
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  I don't really see why it can't be changed. "Door" items have "this door
fits with the following door frame". "Glass" items have "This glass fits with
the following window" - so why can't "Bar" items have "This bar fits with
the following window/frame"?

The reason is that the wording is set in stone for each item relationship:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogRel.asp

If you want a "bar fits with frame," then you must add a new relationship type.
I believe we already have too many relationship types (and I either added or
suggested at least three of them).

____________________________________________________

The definitions page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=599

says that multiple relationships include items from other categories, which is
what has occurred in this case.

____________________________________________________

The roadmap includes a project addressing relationships:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

It's titled Rethink and Reorganize Item Relationships (currently project
28).
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Do those relationships have to be so specific. Why not just have "this part can
be used with the following parts."

Does it matter if it says door and frame, for example. Everyone knows they are
looking at a door (unless it is a bar).
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  Do those relationships have to be so specific. Why not just have "this part can
be used with the following parts."

Does it matter if it says door and frame, for example. Everyone knows they are
looking at a door (unless it is a bar).

I'm not sure if you were able to make it to the roadmap to read the project
listed there, so I'll post it here:

Rethink and Reorganize Item Relationships - A project to reduce confusion
about item relationships by significantly reducing the number of item relationships.
Currently there are a total of 17 item relationships, but this could conceivably
be reduced to only seven relationships as outlined below (or five if the first
three on the list are combined into one). This project will require a large number
of low-impact administrative changes to relationships.

Similar Items
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Figure Alternates and Counterparts
Paired Parts
Parts that Belong Together - Categorical
Parts that Belong Together - Open



Date first added: February 11th, 2020
Suggested by: StormChaser
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  I'm not sure if you were able to make it to the roadmap to read the project
listed there, so I'll post it here:

Rethink and Reorganize Item Relationships - A project to reduce confusion
about item relationships by significantly reducing the number of item relationships.
Currently there are a total of 17 item relationships, but this could conceivably
be reduced to only seven relationships as outlined below (or five if the first
three on the list are combined into one). This project will require a large number
of low-impact administrative changes to relationships.

Similar Items
Similar Items - Language Difference
Similar Items - Pattern Difference
Figure Alternates and Counterparts
Paired Parts
Parts that Belong Together - Categorical
Parts that Belong Together - Open


I hadn't seen that. And yes, that would seem very sensible, especially combining
the first three.
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In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

My assumption would be that it is similar to
 
Part No: 62113  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
* 
62113 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Medium Nougat}
and
 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}
and
 
Part No: 6046  Name: Bar 9 x 13 Grille
* 
6046 Bar 9 x 13 Grille
Parts: Bar {Yellow}
and has no handle. The presence of the handle seems ubiquitous in the Door category.
If you picked the part 92589 up by itself and out of context, what about it would
say 'door' to you?

Again, just my assumption!

Hope that helps,
Jen
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In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

My assumption would be that it is similar to
 
Part No: 62113  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
* 
62113 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Medium Nougat}
and
 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}
and
 
Part No: 6046  Name: Bar 9 x 13 Grille
* 
6046 Bar 9 x 13 Grille
Parts: Bar {Yellow}
and has no handle. The presence of the handle seems ubiquitous in the Door category.
If you picked the part 92589 up by itself and out of context, what about it would
say 'door' to you?

Again, just my assumption!

Hope that helps,

Thank you, Jen, helpful. But what of the notes within the listing?
 
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In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

My assumption would be that it is similar to
 
Part No: 62113  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
* 
62113 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Medium Nougat}
and
 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}
and
 
Part No: 6046  Name: Bar 9 x 13 Grille
* 
6046 Bar 9 x 13 Grille
Parts: Bar {Yellow}
and has no handle. The presence of the handle seems ubiquitous in the Door category.
If you picked the part 92589 up by itself and out of context, what about it would
say 'door' to you?

Again, just my assumption!

Hope that helps,

Thank you, Jen, helpful. But what of the notes within the listing?

The type of Match it has referenced has nothing to do with what category a part
is placed in. I understand why it seems incongruous, but the name of the match
itself is fairly arbitrary. Part 62113 is clearly not a Door, but it uses the
same Match to help people find the type of parts it can be used with. Part 6016
is clearly not Glass, but it has matches in the Glass/Window set.

I am sure if you think of a better way to describes types of Matches, the catmins
are willing to listen!
Jen
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In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

My assumption would be that it is similar to
 
Part No: 62113  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
* 
62113 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Medium Nougat}
and
 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}
and
 
Part No: 6046  Name: Bar 9 x 13 Grille
* 
6046 Bar 9 x 13 Grille
Parts: Bar {Yellow}
and has no handle. The presence of the handle seems ubiquitous in the Door category.
If you picked the part 92589 up by itself and out of context, what about it would
say 'door' to you?

Again, just my assumption!

Hope that helps,

Thank you, Jen, helpful. But what of the notes within the listing?

The type of Match it has referenced has nothing to do with what category a part
is placed in. I understand why it seems incongruous, but the name of the match
itself is fairly arbitrary. Part 62113 is clearly not a Door, but it uses the
same Match to help people find the type of parts it can be used with. Part 6016
is clearly not Glass, but it has matches in the Glass/Window set.

Okay. I understand a little more. Thank you.
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In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

My assumption would be that it is similar to
 
Part No: 62113  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
* 
62113 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Medium Nougat}
and
 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}
and
 
Part No: 6046  Name: Bar 9 x 13 Grille
* 
6046 Bar 9 x 13 Grille
Parts: Bar {Yellow}
and has no handle. The presence of the handle seems ubiquitous in the Door category.
If you picked the part 92589 up by itself and out of context, what about it would
say 'door' to you?

Again, just my assumption!

Hope that helps,

Thank you, Jen, helpful. But what of the notes within the listing?

The type of Match it has referenced has nothing to do with what category a part
is placed in. I understand why it seems incongruous, but the name of the match
itself is fairly arbitrary. Part 62113 is clearly not a Door, but it uses the
same Match to help people find the type of parts it can be used with. Part 6016
is clearly not Glass, but it has matches in the Glass/Window set.

Okay. I understand a little more. Thank you.

It's no problem! Glad I could try and help,
Jen
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In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

My assumption would be that it is similar to
 
Part No: 62113  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
* 
62113 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Medium Nougat}
and
 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}
and
 
Part No: 6046  Name: Bar 9 x 13 Grille
* 
6046 Bar 9 x 13 Grille
Parts: Bar {Yellow}
and has no handle. The presence of the handle seems ubiquitous in the Door category.
If you picked the part 92589 up by itself and out of context, what about it would
say 'door' to you?

Again, just my assumption!

Hope that helps,

Thank you, Jen, helpful. But what of the notes within the listing?

The type of Match it has referenced has nothing to do with what category a part
is placed in. I understand why it seems incongruous, but the name of the match
itself is fairly arbitrary. Part 62113 is clearly not a Door, but it uses the
same Match to help people find the type of parts it can be used with. Part 6016
is clearly not Glass, but it has matches in the Glass/Window set.

I am sure if you think of a better way to describes types of Matches, the catmins
are willing to listen!
Jen


No, Cory is right. This needs to be changed.. for glasses it says "this glass
fits with this window", for doors it says "this door fits with this door frame",
and the example you gave is really good:

 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}

"This glass fits with the following window"

But:

 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}

"This door fits with this door frame" - this clearly should be the same text
as in the 6016 example.
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

My assumption would be that it is similar to
 
Part No: 62113  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
* 
62113 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Medium Nougat}
and
 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}
and
 
Part No: 6046  Name: Bar 9 x 13 Grille
* 
6046 Bar 9 x 13 Grille
Parts: Bar {Yellow}
and has no handle. The presence of the handle seems ubiquitous in the Door category.
If you picked the part 92589 up by itself and out of context, what about it would
say 'door' to you?

Again, just my assumption!

Hope that helps,

Thank you, Jen, helpful. But what of the notes within the listing?

The type of Match it has referenced has nothing to do with what category a part
is placed in. I understand why it seems incongruous, but the name of the match
itself is fairly arbitrary. Part 62113 is clearly not a Door, but it uses the
same Match to help people find the type of parts it can be used with. Part 6016
is clearly not Glass, but it has matches in the Glass/Window set.

I am sure if you think of a better way to describes types of Matches, the catmins
are willing to listen!
Jen


No, Cory is right. This needs to be changed.. for glasses it says "this glass
fits with this window", for doors it says "this door fits with this door frame",
and the example you gave is really good:

 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}

"This glass fits with the following window"

But:

 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}

"This door fits with this door frame" - this clearly should be the same text
as in the 6016 example.


Not always for glass parts as well. There is the 1 x 4 x 6 sized glass that fits
into door frames but has no handle. The door frames are sometimes used as windows
with that glass. Obviously, a part cannot be in two categories at the same time,
even if it is used as parts of two categories in builds.
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In Catalog, manganschlamm writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

My assumption would be that it is similar to
 
Part No: 62113  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
* 
62113 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Medium Nougat}
and
 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}
and
 
Part No: 6046  Name: Bar 9 x 13 Grille
* 
6046 Bar 9 x 13 Grille
Parts: Bar {Yellow}
and has no handle. The presence of the handle seems ubiquitous in the Door category.
If you picked the part 92589 up by itself and out of context, what about it would
say 'door' to you?

Again, just my assumption!

Hope that helps,

Thank you, Jen, helpful. But what of the notes within the listing?

The type of Match it has referenced has nothing to do with what category a part
is placed in. I understand why it seems incongruous, but the name of the match
itself is fairly arbitrary. Part 62113 is clearly not a Door, but it uses the
same Match to help people find the type of parts it can be used with. Part 6016
is clearly not Glass, but it has matches in the Glass/Window set.

I am sure if you think of a better way to describes types of Matches, the catmins
are willing to listen!
Jen


No, Cory is right. This needs to be changed.. for glasses it says "this glass
fits with this window", for doors it says "this door fits with this door frame",
and the example you gave is really good:

 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}

"This glass fits with the following window"

But:

 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}

"This door fits with this door frame" - this clearly should be the same text
as in the 6016 example.


Not always for glass parts as well. There is the 1 x 4 x 6 sized glass that fits
into door frames but has no handle. The door frames are sometimes used as windows
with that glass. Obviously, a part cannot be in two categories at the same time,
even if it is used as parts of two categories in builds.

Yes, that is the one I am referring to. It has "This glass fits with this window"
- and then goes on to list the doorframes as valid windows. So it's clear
that this bar should have exactly the same text, since the 4x3 bar also has the
same text as the 4x3 glass.
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, manganschlamm writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

My assumption would be that it is similar to
 
Part No: 62113  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
* 
62113 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Medium Nougat}
and
 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}
and
 
Part No: 6046  Name: Bar 9 x 13 Grille
* 
6046 Bar 9 x 13 Grille
Parts: Bar {Yellow}
and has no handle. The presence of the handle seems ubiquitous in the Door category.
If you picked the part 92589 up by itself and out of context, what about it would
say 'door' to you?

Again, just my assumption!

Hope that helps,

Thank you, Jen, helpful. But what of the notes within the listing?

The type of Match it has referenced has nothing to do with what category a part
is placed in. I understand why it seems incongruous, but the name of the match
itself is fairly arbitrary. Part 62113 is clearly not a Door, but it uses the
same Match to help people find the type of parts it can be used with. Part 6016
is clearly not Glass, but it has matches in the Glass/Window set.

I am sure if you think of a better way to describes types of Matches, the catmins
are willing to listen!
Jen


No, Cory is right. This needs to be changed.. for glasses it says "this glass
fits with this window", for doors it says "this door fits with this door frame",
and the example you gave is really good:

 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}

"This glass fits with the following window"

But:

 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}

"This door fits with this door frame" - this clearly should be the same text
as in the 6016 example.


Not always for glass parts as well. There is the 1 x 4 x 6 sized glass that fits
into door frames but has no handle. The door frames are sometimes used as windows
with that glass. Obviously, a part cannot be in two categories at the same time,
even if it is used as parts of two categories in builds.

Yes, that is the one I am referring to. It has "This glass fits with this window"
- and then goes on to list the doorframes as valid windows. So it's clear
that this bar should have exactly the same text, since the 4x3 bar also has the
same text as the 4x3 glass.

Well, this is a bit beyond the question that I was trying to explain to Cory.
However, if you feel a part is incorrectly matched then you can definitely submit
a request to change it.

Have a good evening!
Jen
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In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, manganschlamm writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

My assumption would be that it is similar to
 
Part No: 62113  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
* 
62113 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Medium Nougat}
and
 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}
and
 
Part No: 6046  Name: Bar 9 x 13 Grille
* 
6046 Bar 9 x 13 Grille
Parts: Bar {Yellow}
and has no handle. The presence of the handle seems ubiquitous in the Door category.
If you picked the part 92589 up by itself and out of context, what about it would
say 'door' to you?

Again, just my assumption!

Hope that helps,

Thank you, Jen, helpful. But what of the notes within the listing?

The type of Match it has referenced has nothing to do with what category a part
is placed in. I understand why it seems incongruous, but the name of the match
itself is fairly arbitrary. Part 62113 is clearly not a Door, but it uses the
same Match to help people find the type of parts it can be used with. Part 6016
is clearly not Glass, but it has matches in the Glass/Window set.

I am sure if you think of a better way to describes types of Matches, the catmins
are willing to listen!
Jen


No, Cory is right. This needs to be changed.. for glasses it says "this glass
fits with this window", for doors it says "this door fits with this door frame",
and the example you gave is really good:

 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}

"This glass fits with the following window"

But:

 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}

"This door fits with this door frame" - this clearly should be the same text
as in the 6016 example.


Not always for glass parts as well. There is the 1 x 4 x 6 sized glass that fits
into door frames but has no handle. The door frames are sometimes used as windows
with that glass. Obviously, a part cannot be in two categories at the same time,
even if it is used as parts of two categories in builds.

Yes, that is the one I am referring to. It has "This glass fits with this window"
- and then goes on to list the doorframes as valid windows. So it's clear
that this bar should have exactly the same text, since the 4x3 bar also has the
same text as the 4x3 glass.

Well, this is a bit beyond the question that I was trying to explain to Cory.
However, if you feel a part is incorrectly matched then you can definitely submit
a request to change it.

Have a good evening!
Jen

The matches are probably fine, it's just that line of text that Cory pointed
out - it should be changed from "This door fits with the following door frames"
into "This glass fits with the following windows". Then it is consistent with
the glasses that fit in the same frame, and also with other bars that fit in
window frames. Then I think we're all good
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  Well, this is a bit beyond the question that I was trying to explain to Cory.
However, if you feel a part is incorrectly matched then you can definitely submit
a request to change it.

Have a good evening!
Jen

The matches are probably fine, it's just that line of text that Cory pointed
out - it should be changed from "This door fits with the following door frames"
into "This glass fits with the following windows". Then it is consistent with
the glasses that fit in the same frame, and also with other bars that fit in
window frames. Then I think we're all good

That’s Jen’s point: the text IS the match, the match IS the text.
So, if you find the text is wrong, then you find the match is wrong.
I.e. it shouldn’t be a door-frame match, it should be a window-frame match.
Change the match and then the text will change.
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  […]
  Well, this is a bit beyond the question that I was trying to explain to Cory.
However, if you feel a part is incorrectly matched then you can definitely submit
a request to change it.

Have a good evening!
Jen

The matches are probably fine, it's just that line of text that Cory pointed
out - it should be changed from "This door fits with the following door frames"
into "This glass fits with the following windows". Then it is consistent with
the glasses that fit in the same frame, and also with other bars that fit in
window frames. Then I think we're all good

That’s Jen’s point: the text IS the match, the match IS the text.
So, if you find the text is wrong, then you find the match is wrong.
I.e. it shouldn’t be a door-frame match, it should be a window-frame match.
Change the match and then the text will change.

But for the glass the same size, it says "this glass fit with this window". I
just think it should have the same text for this bar piece.
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
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  That’s Jen’s point: the text IS the match, the match IS the text.
So, if you find the text is wrong, then you find the match is wrong.
I.e. it shouldn’t be a door-frame match, it should be a window-frame match.
Change the match and then the text will change.

But for the glass the same size, it says "this glass fit with this window". I
just think it should have the same text for this bar piece.

That’s understood but for the text to be “this glass fit with this window,” it
should be a window-and-frame match, a match between a window and a frame (I guess
you took the words “window-frame match” to mean a match to a frame named “window
frame”), not a door-and-frame match (a match between a door and a frame, not
a frame named “door frame”).

So you need to ask for the door-and-frame match to be removed and for a window-and-frame
match to be added, and the text will be what you want.
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  […]
  That’s Jen’s point: the text IS the match, the match IS the text.
So, if you find the text is wrong, then you find the match is wrong.
I.e. it shouldn’t be a door-frame match, it should be a window-frame match.
Change the match and then the text will change.

But for the glass the same size, it says "this glass fit with this window". I
just think it should have the same text for this bar piece.

That’s understood but for the text to be “this glass fit with this window,” it
should be a window-and-frame match, a match between a window and a frame (I guess
you took the words “window-frame match” to mean a match to a frame named “window
frame”), not a door-and-frame match (a match between a door and a frame, not
a frame named “door frame”).

So you need to ask for the door-and-frame match to be removed and for a window-and-frame
match to be added, and the text will be what you want.

Aah ok. Yes, I only looked at the surface, didn't realise the technicality
behind it that produces that line - now I get it.
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Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

My assumption would be that it is similar to
 
Part No: 62113  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
* 
62113 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Medium Nougat}
and
 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}
and
 
Part No: 6046  Name: Bar 9 x 13 Grille
* 
6046 Bar 9 x 13 Grille
Parts: Bar {Yellow}
and has no handle. The presence of the handle seems ubiquitous in the Door category.
If you picked the part 92589 up by itself and out of context, what about it would
say 'door' to you?

Again, just my assumption!

Hope that helps,

Thank you, Jen, helpful. But what of the notes within the listing?

The type of Match it has referenced has nothing to do with what category a part
is placed in. I understand why it seems incongruous, but the name of the match
itself is fairly arbitrary. Part 62113 is clearly not a Door, but it uses the
same Match to help people find the type of parts it can be used with. Part 6016
is clearly not Glass, but it has matches in the Glass/Window set.

I am sure if you think of a better way to describes types of Matches, the catmins
are willing to listen!
Jen


No, Cory is right. This needs to be changed.. for glasses it says "this glass
fits with this window", for doors it says "this door fits with this door frame",
and the example you gave is really good:

 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}

"This glass fits with the following window"

But:

 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}

"This door fits with this door frame" - this clearly should be the same text
as in the 6016 example.


Not always for glass parts as well. There is the 1 x 4 x 6 sized glass that fits
into door frames but has no handle. The door frames are sometimes used as windows
with that glass. Obviously, a part cannot be in two categories at the same time,
even if it is used as parts of two categories in builds.

Yes, that is the one I am referring to. It has "This glass fits with this window"
- and then goes on to list the doorframes as valid windows. So it's clear
that this bar should have exactly the same text, since the 4x3 bar also has the
same text as the 4x3 glass.

Well, this is a bit beyond the question that I was trying to explain to Cory.
However, if you feel a part is incorrectly matched then you can definitely submit
a request to change it.

Have a good evening!
Jen

The matches are probably fine, it's just that line of text that Cory pointed
out - it should be changed from "This door fits with the following door frames"
into "This glass fits with the following windows". Then it is consistent with
the glasses that fit in the same frame, and also with other bars that fit in
window frames. Then I think we're all good

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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  In Catalog, popsicle writes:
  Good morning,

Why is part 92589 categorized as Bar and not Door, as is part 60621?
 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}
 
Part No: 60621  Name: Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
* 
60621 Door 1 x 4 x 6 Barred with Stud Handle
Parts: Door {Light Bluish Gray}

Thanks

My assumption would be that it is similar to
 
Part No: 62113  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
* 
62113 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Medium Nougat}
and
 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}
and
 
Part No: 6046  Name: Bar 9 x 13 Grille
* 
6046 Bar 9 x 13 Grille
Parts: Bar {Yellow}
and has no handle. The presence of the handle seems ubiquitous in the Door category.
If you picked the part 92589 up by itself and out of context, what about it would
say 'door' to you?

Again, just my assumption!

Hope that helps,

Thank you, Jen, helpful. But what of the notes within the listing?

The type of Match it has referenced has nothing to do with what category a part
is placed in. I understand why it seems incongruous, but the name of the match
itself is fairly arbitrary. Part 62113 is clearly not a Door, but it uses the
same Match to help people find the type of parts it can be used with. Part 6016
is clearly not Glass, but it has matches in the Glass/Window set.

I am sure if you think of a better way to describes types of Matches, the catmins
are willing to listen!
Jen


No, Cory is right. This needs to be changed.. for glasses it says "this glass
fits with this window", for doors it says "this door fits with this door frame",
and the example you gave is really good:

 
Part No: 6016  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
* 
6016 Bar 1 x 4 x 3 Window
Parts: Bar {White}

"This glass fits with the following window"

But:

 
Part No: 92589  Name: Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
* 
92589 Bar 1 x 4 x 6 with End Protrusions
Parts: Bar {Light Bluish Gray}

"This door fits with this door frame" - this clearly should be the same text
as in the 6016 example.

I am sorry, but the whole point of my explanation is that the name of the Match
was not the defining or important factor here. It is just a tool to link parts
conveniently. It's just semantics if you get my meaning.

Jen