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 Author: M.Boss View Messages Posted By M.Boss
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 Subject: Darth Vader Head Mold Variance
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Part No: 30368  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
* 
30368 Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

When comparing two Darth Vader figures I had, I discovered a mold variance between
two helmets. The "old" type came likey was made from 1999-2014, while The "new"
type appeared in the 2019 20th Anniversary Clone Scout Walker
 
Set No: 75261  Name: Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
* 
75261-1 (Inv) Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
198 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 3
I think
this new mold was created because in order to create the anniversary figure lego
wanted to use a 1 piece Vader helmet, as opposed to the 2 piece helmets they
switched to a couple of years ago. This mold variation deserves a note in the
catalog entry for the helmet,, or a variant added to the catalog, but I'm
not sure which. If someone wants to take the appropriate action from here, please
go ahead. See the attached image for the differences between the two.
 


 Author: M.Boss View Messages Posted By M.Boss
 Posted: Jun 24, 2020 20:23
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In Catalog, M.Boss writes:
  
 
Part No: 30368  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
* 
30368 Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

When comparing two Darth Vader figures I had, I discovered a mold variance between
two helmets. The "old" type came likey was made from 1999-2014, while The "new"
type appeared in the 2019 20th Anniversary Clone Scout Walker
 
Set No: 75261  Name: Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
* 
75261-1 (Inv) Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
198 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 3
I think
this new mold was created because in order to create the anniversary figure lego
wanted to use a 1 piece Vader helmet, as opposed to the 2 piece helmets they
switched to a couple of years ago. This mold variation deserves a note in the
catalog entry for the helmet,, or a variant added to the catalog, but I'm
not sure which. If someone wants to take the appropriate action from here, please
go ahead. See the attached image for the differences between the two.

Anyone? Does this mold change necessitate an amendment to the Bricklink Catalog?
 Author: starbeanie View Messages Posted By starbeanie
 Posted: Jun 24, 2020 20:45
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I think it's a pretty big change and worth a new entry.

In Catalog, M.Boss writes:
  In Catalog, M.Boss writes:
  
 
Part No: 30368  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
* 
30368 Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

When comparing two Darth Vader figures I had, I discovered a mold variance between
two helmets. The "old" type came likey was made from 1999-2014, while The "new"
type appeared in the 2019 20th Anniversary Clone Scout Walker
 
Set No: 75261  Name: Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
* 
75261-1 (Inv) Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
198 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 3
I think
this new mold was created because in order to create the anniversary figure lego
wanted to use a 1 piece Vader helmet, as opposed to the 2 piece helmets they
switched to a couple of years ago. This mold variation deserves a note in the
catalog entry for the helmet,, or a variant added to the catalog, but I'm
not sure which. If someone wants to take the appropriate action from here, please
go ahead. See the attached image for the differences between the two.

Anyone? Does this mold change necessitate an amendment to the Bricklink Catalog?
 Author: M.Boss View Messages Posted By M.Boss
 Posted: Jun 24, 2020 21:36
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In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
  I think it's a pretty big change and worth a new entry.

In Catalog, M.Boss writes:
  In Catalog, M.Boss writes:
  
 
Part No: 30368  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
* 
30368 Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

When comparing two Darth Vader figures I had, I discovered a mold variance between
two helmets. The "old" type came likey was made from 1999-2014, while The "new"
type appeared in the 2019 20th Anniversary Clone Scout Walker
 
Set No: 75261  Name: Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
* 
75261-1 (Inv) Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
198 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 3
I think
this new mold was created because in order to create the anniversary figure lego
wanted to use a 1 piece Vader helmet, as opposed to the 2 piece helmets they
switched to a couple of years ago. This mold variation deserves a note in the
catalog entry for the helmet,, or a variant added to the catalog, but I'm
not sure which. If someone wants to take the appropriate action from here, please
go ahead. See the attached image for the differences between the two.

Anyone? Does this mold change necessitate an amendment to the Bricklink Catalog?

It appears it has just been made as an additional note.
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Jun 25, 2020 03:24
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In Catalog, M.Boss writes:
  
 
Part No: 30368  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
* 
30368 Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

When comparing two Darth Vader figures I had, I discovered a mold variance between
two helmets. The "old" type came likey was made from 1999-2014, while The "new"
type appeared in the 2019 20th Anniversary Clone Scout Walker
 
Set No: 75261  Name: Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
* 
75261-1 (Inv) Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
198 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 3
I think
this new mold was created because in order to create the anniversary figure lego
wanted to use a 1 piece Vader helmet, as opposed to the 2 piece helmets they
switched to a couple of years ago. This mold variation deserves a note in the
catalog entry for the helmet,, or a variant added to the catalog, but I'm
not sure which. If someone wants to take the appropriate action from here, please
go ahead. See the attached image for the differences between the two.

I have an original helmet from 1999 and it is fur sure the left variant, so that's
definitly not a new mold. I would also say that most if not all images here show
the left variant:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=30368&in=M

And regarding the reintroduction of the old helmet in set 75261, the designers
said that the old mold was still available:
https://www.brothers-brick.com/2019/04/09/interview-with-lego-star-wars-designers-jens-kronvold-and-kurt-kristiansen-feature/

So I am wondering: Where did you find the right variant and are you sure it is
a genuine LEGO part?
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Jun 25, 2020 14:16
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In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, M.Boss writes:
  
 
Part No: 30368  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
* 
30368 Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

When comparing two Darth Vader figures I had, I discovered a mold variance between
two helmets. The "old" type came likey was made from 1999-2014, while The "new"
type appeared in the 2019 20th Anniversary Clone Scout Walker
 
Set No: 75261  Name: Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
* 
75261-1 (Inv) Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
198 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 3
I think
this new mold was created because in order to create the anniversary figure lego
wanted to use a 1 piece Vader helmet, as opposed to the 2 piece helmets they
switched to a couple of years ago. This mold variation deserves a note in the
catalog entry for the helmet,, or a variant added to the catalog, but I'm
not sure which. If someone wants to take the appropriate action from here, please
go ahead. See the attached image for the differences between the two.

I have an original helmet from 1999 and it is fur sure the left variant, so that's
definitly not a new mold. I would also say that most if not all images here show
the left variant:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=30368&in=M

And regarding the reintroduction of the old helmet in set 75261, the designers
said that the old mold was still available:
https://www.brothers-brick.com/2019/04/09/interview-with-lego-star-wars-designers-jens-kronvold-and-kurt-kristiansen-feature/

So I am wondering: Where did you find the right variant and are you sure it is
a genuine LEGO part?

I agree with Jonas.
Your "old" mold on right is suspicious. I just take a look on my Vaders from
different years and in all I have left helmet with narrow nose so your "new"
mold. And there is only one diffrence between oldest and newer Vader halmets
from this mold (later on this).
For this post I just took 4 representants from different years.
1) First one is
 
Minifig No: sw0004  Name: Darth Vader (Light Gray Head)
* 
sw0004 (Inv) Darth Vader (Light Gray Head)
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6
years 1999-2003
My minfigure on images is from 2002 set.
2) Second one is
 
Minifig No: sw0277  Name: Darth Vader (White Pupils)
* 
sw0277 (Inv) Darth Vader (White Pupils)
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6
years 2009-2016
My minfigure on images is from 2011 set.
3) Third one is
 
Minifig No: sw0599  Name: Santa Darth Vader
* 
sw0599 (Inv) Santa Darth Vader
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Other
this ony came onluy in 2014 advent calendar.
4) fourth one
 
Minifig No: sw1029  Name: Darth Vader (20th Anniversary Torso)
* 
sw1029 (Inv) Darth Vader (20th Anniversary Torso)
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6
the newest one from 2019 anniversary set.

and as you can see all of them have identical narrow nose just like "new one"
from your photo.

The only change is that somwhere in timeline LEGO started to add molded number
on this helmet and LEGO logo. Oldest ones don't have mold number and LEGO
logo. It is visible on images. But with mold number this helmet was already in
2014 advent calendar set and this helmet is identical with 2019 helmet.
btw LEGO has for this part only one mold number and one PCC
https://brickset.com/parts/design-30368

I also check that in this Vader from 2013
 
Minifig No: sw0464  Name: Darth Vader (Celebration)
* 
sw0464 (Inv) Darth Vader (Celebration)
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Other
helmet is also already with mold number on it. (and it is of course identical
with 2019 one). I couldn't track for now when LEGO have started to molding
part number on this helmet. But beside this only difference oldest helmet without
part number are identical with newer ones with part number.
 










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 Posted: Jun 25, 2020 14:21
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In Catalog, M.Boss writes:
  
 
Part No: 30368  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
* 
30368 Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader - One Piece
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

When comparing two Darth Vader figures I had, I discovered a mold variance between
two helmets. The "old" type came likey was made from 1999-2014, while The "new"
type appeared in the 2019 20th Anniversary Clone Scout Walker
 
Set No: 75261  Name: Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
* 
75261-1 (Inv) Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
198 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 3
I think
this new mold was created because in order to create the anniversary figure lego
wanted to use a 1 piece Vader helmet, as opposed to the 2 piece helmets they
switched to a couple of years ago. This mold variation deserves a note in the
catalog entry for the helmet,, or a variant added to the catalog, but I'm
not sure which. If someone wants to take the appropriate action from here, please
go ahead. See the attached image for the differences between the two.

think one on right is a chinese knock off.