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 Author: bb80051 View Messages Posted By bb80051
 Posted: Jun 12, 2020 09:32
 Subject: Minifigure, Vest with Black Chevron Pattern
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I would like some comments on the following investigation please:

I was busy with some sets with the Minifigure, Vest with Black Chevron Pattern
and I could not make any sence of it. Print, sticker, downward, upward!?!?!?

So I looked at all the sets and minifigs with this item from the base: the stickersheet.
Although there are three sets with the same stickersheet, instruction can not
be the base, because they do not tell the right story with different numbers
of Chevronstripes and downward/upward.

Before I start, I would like to say that I do not know if the vest has stickers
on both sides or on one side. All the stickersheets has double stickers for the
vest, except for set 670/558. But in no instructions is clear if the stickers
should be on both sides.

Here I go:

Set 641: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes upward, which is correct with
the minifig and the vest entry. So this set is consistent.

The same counts for set 670/558.

Set 6647: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes downward! As the minifig and
the vest entry shows 7 Chevronstripes upward, this set is NOT consistent. So
I will provide a new image and inventory for the minifig, which means part 3840pb19
will be connected to this set.

Set 607: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes upward! The picture of the minifig
shows 7 Chevronstripes downward. The inventory of the minifig is correct, so
I will provide a new picture of this minifig.

This also counts for set 542!

Set 605: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes upward! The picture of the minifig
shows 5 Chevronstripes upward. The inventory of the minifig is correct, so I
will provide a new picture of this minifig.

So that is all! I just want to say I did not find any sticker with 5 Chevronstripes.
All the stickersheets show 7 Chevronstripes. And I had some luck that the minifig
are only related to these sets!!!

Thanks for your time and please leave some comments, when I made a mistake somewhere.

Greets and stay safe, Wilbert
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Jun 14, 2020 18:53
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In Inventories, primadeluxe writes:
  I would like some comments on the following investigation please:

I would suggest reading about past work done on this issue:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=259325&nID=1163344

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=259056&nID=1162510

You have images pending approval for four figures with requests to delete the
existing images, but your pending images will likely not be approved. Or, if
approved, they will be added as alternate images and additional notes created
for each figure.

After you've read further into the issue, please indicate how you'd like
to proceed.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Jun 14, 2020 21:54
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In Inventories, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories, primadeluxe writes:
  I would like some comments on the following investigation please:

I would suggest reading about past work done on this issue:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=259325&nID=1163344

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=259056&nID=1162510

You have images pending approval for four figures with requests to delete the
existing images, but your pending images will likely not be approved. Or, if
approved, they will be added as alternate images and additional notes created
for each figure.

After you've read further into the issue, please indicate how you'd like
to proceed.

The whole thing is just a huge mess because everyone is trying to figure out
something that happened decades ago. It is the main reason that I have avoided
this whole topic like a novel coronavirus.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Jun 14, 2020 18:56
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This minifig seems like one of the main subjects of discussion this year.

In Inventories, primadeluxe writes:
  I would like some comments on the following investigation please:

I was busy with some sets with the Minifigure, Vest with Black Chevron Pattern
and I could not make any sence of it. Print, sticker, downward, upward!?!?!?

So I looked at all the sets and minifigs with this item from the base: the stickersheet.
Although there are three sets with the same stickersheet, instruction can not
be the base, because they do not tell the right story with different numbers
of Chevronstripes and downward/upward.

Before I start, I would like to say that I do not know if the vest has stickers
on both sides or on one side. All the stickersheets has double stickers for the
vest, except for set 670/558. But in no instructions is clear if the stickers
should be on both sides.

Here I go:

Set 641: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes upward, which is correct with
the minifig and the vest entry. So this set is consistent.

The same counts for set 670/558.

Set 6647: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes downward! As the minifig and
the vest entry shows 7 Chevronstripes upward, this set is NOT consistent. So
I will provide a new image and inventory for the minifig, which means part 3840pb19
will be connected to this set.

Set 607: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes upward! The picture of the minifig
shows 7 Chevronstripes downward. The inventory of the minifig is correct, so
I will provide a new picture of this minifig.

This also counts for set 542!

Set 605: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes upward! The picture of the minifig
shows 5 Chevronstripes upward. The inventory of the minifig is correct, so I
will provide a new picture of this minifig.

So that is all! I just want to say I did not find any sticker with 5 Chevronstripes.
All the stickersheets show 7 Chevronstripes. And I had some luck that the minifig
are only related to these sets!!!

Thanks for your time and please leave some comments, when I made a mistake somewhere.

Greets and stay safe, Wilbert
 Author: bb80051 View Messages Posted By bb80051
 Posted: Jun 17, 2020 12:56
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Well I just looked at the shape of the sticker and the shape of the vest. The
both have 4 corners of which the bottom two of the vest are round, the top two
are angular. Looking at the corners of the stickers the have the same shape as
the vest. Bottom two round, top two angular. It is not no math to figure out
how the sticker should be placed on the vest.

I saw my images were added, including a note. Thanks for that! But the old images
are still there. It is okay with me, no problem, except for the minifig with
the vest with the sticker with five Chevron stripes (pln088). There is no stickersheet
with a sticker with five Chevron stripes. All of them have 7 Chevron stripes.

In Inventories, axaday writes:
  This minifig seems like one of the main subjects of discussion this year.

In Inventories, primadeluxe writes:
  I would like some comments on the following investigation please:

I was busy with some sets with the Minifigure, Vest with Black Chevron Pattern
and I could not make any sence of it. Print, sticker, downward, upward!?!?!?

So I looked at all the sets and minifigs with this item from the base: the stickersheet.
Although there are three sets with the same stickersheet, instruction can not
be the base, because they do not tell the right story with different numbers
of Chevronstripes and downward/upward.

Before I start, I would like to say that I do not know if the vest has stickers
on both sides or on one side. All the stickersheets has double stickers for the
vest, except for set 670/558. But in no instructions is clear if the stickers
should be on both sides.

Here I go:

Set 641: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes upward, which is correct with
the minifig and the vest entry. So this set is consistent.

The same counts for set 670/558.

Set 6647: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes downward! As the minifig and
the vest entry shows 7 Chevronstripes upward, this set is NOT consistent. So
I will provide a new image and inventory for the minifig, which means part 3840pb19
will be connected to this set.

Set 607: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes upward! The picture of the minifig
shows 7 Chevronstripes downward. The inventory of the minifig is correct, so
I will provide a new picture of this minifig.

This also counts for set 542!

Set 605: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes upward! The picture of the minifig
shows 5 Chevronstripes upward. The inventory of the minifig is correct, so I
will provide a new picture of this minifig.

So that is all! I just want to say I did not find any sticker with 5 Chevronstripes.
All the stickersheets show 7 Chevronstripes. And I had some luck that the minifig
are only related to these sets!!!

Thanks for your time and please leave some comments, when I made a mistake somewhere.

Greets and stay safe, Wilbert
 Author: bb80051 View Messages Posted By bb80051
 Posted: Jun 17, 2020 13:06
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As for the 6647 and 641. I have recently submitted a new stickersheet for set
641, which shows the Chevron stripes going up. The only set with Chevron stripes
going down is set 6647 (see my inventory change request).

Instructions and other pictures just stating different views. Even within instructions
and other pictures of the same set. They are no use! Just look at the stickersheet
and the shape of the sticker .......

In Inventories, primadeluxe writes:
  Well I just looked at the shape of the sticker and the shape of the vest. The
both have 4 corners of which the bottom two of the vest are round, the top two
are angular. Looking at the corners of the stickers the have the same shape as
the vest. Bottom two round, top two angular. It is not no math to figure out
how the sticker should be placed on the vest.

I saw my images were added, including a note. Thanks for that! But the old images
are still there. It is okay with me, no problem, except for the minifig with
the vest with the sticker with five Chevron stripes (pln088). There is no stickersheet
with a sticker with five Chevron stripes. All of them have 7 Chevron stripes.

In Inventories, axaday writes:
  This minifig seems like one of the main subjects of discussion this year.

In Inventories, primadeluxe writes:
  I would like some comments on the following investigation please:

I was busy with some sets with the Minifigure, Vest with Black Chevron Pattern
and I could not make any sence of it. Print, sticker, downward, upward!?!?!?

So I looked at all the sets and minifigs with this item from the base: the stickersheet.
Although there are three sets with the same stickersheet, instruction can not
be the base, because they do not tell the right story with different numbers
of Chevronstripes and downward/upward.

Before I start, I would like to say that I do not know if the vest has stickers
on both sides or on one side. All the stickersheets has double stickers for the
vest, except for set 670/558. But in no instructions is clear if the stickers
should be on both sides.

Here I go:

Set 641: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes upward, which is correct with
the minifig and the vest entry. So this set is consistent.

The same counts for set 670/558.

Set 6647: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes downward! As the minifig and
the vest entry shows 7 Chevronstripes upward, this set is NOT consistent. So
I will provide a new image and inventory for the minifig, which means part 3840pb19
will be connected to this set.

Set 607: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes upward! The picture of the minifig
shows 7 Chevronstripes downward. The inventory of the minifig is correct, so
I will provide a new picture of this minifig.

This also counts for set 542!

Set 605: the stickersheet shows 7 Chevronstripes upward! The picture of the minifig
shows 5 Chevronstripes upward. The inventory of the minifig is correct, so I
will provide a new picture of this minifig.

So that is all! I just want to say I did not find any sticker with 5 Chevronstripes.
All the stickersheets show 7 Chevronstripes. And I had some luck that the minifig
are only related to these sets!!!

Thanks for your time and please leave some comments, when I made a mistake somewhere.

Greets and stay safe, Wilbert
 Author: anathema View Messages Posted By anathema
 Posted: Jun 17, 2020 13:12
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In Inventories, primadeluxe writes:
  Well I just looked at the shape of the sticker and the shape of the vest. The
both have 4 corners of which the bottom two of the vest are round, the top two
are angular. Looking at the corners of the stickers the have the same shape as
the vest. Bottom two round, top two angular. It is not no math to figure out
how the sticker should be placed on the vest.

I saw my images were added, including a note. Thanks for that! But the old images
are still there. It is okay with me, no problem, except for the minifig with
the vest with the sticker with five Chevron stripes (pln088). There is no stickersheet
with a sticker with five Chevron stripes. All of them have 7 Chevron stripes.


The sticker with the five stripes comes from the sticker-sheet for Ideas Book
6000.
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 Posted: Jun 17, 2020 13:39
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In Inventories, anathema writes:
  […]
The sticker with the five stripes comes from the sticker-sheet for Ideas Book
6000.

Yes but there’s no official minifigure or part with this sticker applied, so
it should only be in the catalogue as a sticker on a sticker sheet.
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In Inventories, SylvainLS writes:
  In Inventories, anathema writes:
  […]
The sticker with the five stripes comes from the sticker-sheet for Ideas Book
6000.

Yes but there’s no official minifigure or part with this sticker applied, so
it should only be in the catalogue as a sticker on a sticker sheet.
 Author: anathema View Messages Posted By anathema
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In Inventories, SylvainLS writes:
  In Inventories, anathema writes:
  […]
The sticker with the five stripes comes from the sticker-sheet for Ideas Book
6000.

Yes but there’s no official minifigure or part with this sticker applied, so
it should only be in the catalogue as a sticker on a sticker sheet.

Yup. This has been discussed before!
 Author: bb80051 View Messages Posted By bb80051
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Thank you very much. So it has no business with set 605 and minifig pln088. That
is why I asked to remove the old image and add the new picture.

In Inventories, anathema writes:
  In Inventories, primadeluxe writes:
  Well I just looked at the shape of the sticker and the shape of the vest. The
both have 4 corners of which the bottom two of the vest are round, the top two
are angular. Looking at the corners of the stickers the have the same shape as
the vest. Bottom two round, top two angular. It is not no math to figure out
how the sticker should be placed on the vest.

I saw my images were added, including a note. Thanks for that! But the old images
are still there. It is okay with me, no problem, except for the minifig with
the vest with the sticker with five Chevron stripes (pln088). There is no stickersheet
with a sticker with five Chevron stripes. All of them have 7 Chevron stripes.


The sticker with the five stripes comes from the sticker-sheet for Ideas Book
6000.