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 Author: WOLKsite View Messages Posted By WOLKsite
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As most who have dealt with them would know, 54821/95753/15365, most Zamor Spheres
are inconsistent in color. Why? Because they're a marble of two colors. While
I can theorize on what colors were used, that's not what I'm going to
do here. Listing them with those colors is not worthwhile for the purpose of
recognition. Instead, I'd suggest sticking to handling them as single-colored.

Currently, Zamors are often inconsistently listed. For example, Zaktan is listed
with a different zamor from the other 5 Piraka sets, even though they all share
the same one, and Toa Inika Jaller/Hahli are listed with Trans-Neon Green, which
is far from their actual seagreen color, and easily confused with the Piraka's.
My following suggested groupings are based on the part numbers listed in the
instruction manuals, where applicable, where as the suggested colors are approximations
using the existing BL colors. If the set number is followed by a question mark,
it means the part ID is not present in the instructions, and if the ID is replaced
with a question mark, that means it is unknown.

Format:
Design ID/Element ID, Suggested Color: [Set Numbers]

Solid:
54821/4545430, Red: 8547, 7158, 2520, 2236, 2283, 6200, 6228, 10229, 31313,
70211, 76028, 70323
54821/4545434, Yellow: 8547, 7591, 10211, 6283
54821/4545435, Green: 8547
54821/4570137, Blue: 8547, 10211, 8191, 6230, 6282, 70212
54821/4586623, Tan: 8864, 2509
54821/6198976, Black: 76104, 76104

Pearl:
54821/?, Flat Silver: 8719 (Darker than 4494056, but not an exact match
to 4655097 )
54821/4494056, Pearl Light Gray: 7029, 6128?, 8943, 8942-1, 8942-2, 8954,
8941, 8698, 8699, 7041, 8697, 8686, 8685, 8687, 8996, 8995, 7160
54821/4655097, Flat Silver: 6293, 6202
54821/4291757, Pearl Dark Gray: 8719?
54821/4291758, Pearl Gold: 8719?, 7600?
54821/4594818, Pearl Gold: 3850, 2282 (Seemingly identical to 4291758)

Transparent:
54821/4296080, Trans-Neon Green: 8893, 8894, 8624, 8904, 8901, 8900, 8902,
8903, 8626, 6945, 8103
54821/4296577, Trans-Medium Blue: 7699 (Seemingly identical to 4297031)
54821/4297031, Trans-Medium Blue: 8731, 8732, 8893, 8892, 8894, 8624
54821/6024162, Trans-Light Blue: 70103, 70113, 70102, 70106, 70108, 70107,
70115, 70136, TRUCHIMA*? (Looks pretty similar if not identical to 4297031 &
4296577, however more commonly it's lighter, where as the older two are darker.)
54821/4585759, Trans-Dark Blue: 7179, 8863, 2521, 2260 (Unlike 4297031,
4296577 & 6024162, these do not appear to be marbled, but rather akin to the
purple 6030826.)
54821/4297030, Trans-Orange: 9763?, 8729, 8730, 8925, 8930, 8929, 8108,
8932, 8931, 8927, 8926
54821/4297034, Trans-Light Green: 8727, 8728
54821/4583979, Trans-Light Bright Green: 7156, 7148, 7162, 7157, 7147,
9450 (Typically a gradient between the seagreen of 4583979 and the bright green
of 4655587)
54821/4655587, Trans-Bright Green: 6203, 6227, 6223, 6222, 6221, 6217,
6218, 44014, 70503, 44022, 44029, 70132, 44028, 70163, 70165, 44019, 44015, 70732,
9780545703307?
54821/6030826, Trans-Purple: 70702, 70703

*See the listing on Brickset. This set does not appear to exist on Bricklink
at the time of this post.


Co-Injected:
95753/4622390, Red/Yellow: 2235, 2192, 2194, 2193, 2507
95753/6045972, Trans-Black/Trans-Yellow: 10237
15365/6075061, Trans-Light Blue/White: 70209, 70212, 70210, 70156, 70146,
70151, 70147, 76041, 70228
15365/6075267, Trans-Orange/Yellow: 70207, 70211, 70206, 70208 (Seemingly
identical to 6075599)
95753/6075599, Trans-Orange/Yellow: 70156, 70146, 70150, 70135, 70155,
70149, 70225, 70324, 30399?

If I've missed any set, let me know and I can look in to it.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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  Currently, Zamors are often inconsistently listed. For example, Zaktan is listed
with a different zamor from the other 5 Piraka sets, even though they all share
the same one

What do you mean by this, as they all are catalogued as containing:
 
Part No: 54821pb05  Name: Ball, Bionicle Zamor Sphere with Marbled Trans-Bright Green Pattern
* 
54821pb05 Ball, Bionicle Zamor Sphere with Marbled Trans-Bright Green Pattern
Parts: Ball
 Author: WOLKsite View Messages Posted By WOLKsite
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In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  
  Currently, Zamors are often inconsistently listed. For example, Zaktan is listed
with a different zamor from the other 5 Piraka sets, even though they all share
the same one

What do you mean by this, as they all are catalogued as containing:
 
Part No: 54821pb05  Name: Ball, Bionicle Zamor Sphere with Marbled Trans-Bright Green Pattern
* 
54821pb05 Ball, Bionicle Zamor Sphere with Marbled Trans-Bright Green Pattern
Parts: Ball

Oh. Yeah; apologies, that's my bad. The inconsistency (seen on https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&colorInSet=108&catType=S&v=2)
is apparently caused by the alternate items.
New example; Toa Inika Kongu vs Matoro. Anyhow, the examples aren't too important,
my biggest issue is how difficult it is to find seagreen spheres. (Most Neon
Green shop listings tend to be Piraka the Piraka ones, and there's nobeasy
way to know.)
 Author: WOLKsite View Messages Posted By WOLKsite
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To better illustrate what I mean (Hopefully this doesn't end up blurry):
 
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Inventories, WOLKsite writes:
  To better illustrate what I mean (Hopefully this doesn't end up blurry):

If you would like to submit Inventory Change Requests for any sets based upon
your findings, please do so and we will look into them.

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChange.asp?itemType=S

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: WoutR View Messages Posted By WoutR
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Good to see that you are still working on this.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/111441268@N03/25463895267/in/album-72157646588122344/
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In Inventories, WoutR writes:
  Good to see that you are still working on this.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/111441268@N03/25463895267/in/album-72157646588122344/

The first thing that came to my mind: Dragibus® (sweets).
Mmmhh.
 
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In Inventories, WOLKsite writes:
  As most who have dealt with them would know, 54821/95753/15365, most Zamor Spheres
are inconsistent in color. Why? Because they're a marble of two colors. While
I can theorize on what colors were used, that's not what I'm going to
do here. Listing them with those colors is not worthwhile for the purpose of
recognition. Instead, I'd suggest sticking to handling them as single-colored.

Currently, Zamors are often inconsistently listed. For example, Zaktan is listed
with a different zamor from the other 5 Piraka sets, even though they all share
the same one, and Toa Inika Jaller/Hahli are listed with Trans-Neon Green, which
is far from their actual seagreen color, and easily confused with the Piraka's.
My following suggested groupings are based on the part numbers listed in the
instruction manuals, where applicable, where as the suggested colors are approximations
using the existing BL colors. If the set number is followed by a question mark,
it means the part ID is not present in the instructions, and if the ID is replaced
with a question mark, that means it is unknown.

Format:
Design ID/Element ID, Suggested Color: [Set Numbers]

Solid:
54821/4545430, Red: 8547, 7158, 2520, 2236, 2283, 6200, 6228, 10229, 31313,
70211, 76028, 70323
54821/4545434, Yellow: 8547, 7591, 10211, 6283
54821/4545435, Green: 8547
54821/4570137, Blue: 8547, 10211, 8191, 6230, 6282, 70212
54821/4586623, Tan: 8864, 2509
54821/6198976, Black: 76104, 76104

Pearl:
54821/?, Flat Silver: 8719 (Darker than 4494056, but not an exact match
to 4655097 )
54821/4494056, Pearl Light Gray: 7029, 6128?, 8943, 8942-1, 8942-2, 8954,
8941, 8698, 8699, 7041, 8697, 8686, 8685, 8687, 8996, 8995, 7160
54821/4655097, Flat Silver: 6293, 6202
54821/4291757, Pearl Dark Gray: 8719?
54821/4291758, Pearl Gold: 8719?, 7600?
54821/4594818, Pearl Gold: 3850, 2282 (Seemingly identical to 4291758)

Transparent:
54821/4296080, Trans-Neon Green: 8893, 8894, 8624, 8904, 8901, 8900, 8902,
8903, 8626, 6945, 8103
54821/4296577, Trans-Medium Blue: 7699 (Seemingly identical to 4297031)
54821/4297031, Trans-Medium Blue: 8731, 8732, 8893, 8892, 8894, 8624
54821/6024162, Trans-Light Blue: 70103, 70113, 70102, 70106, 70108, 70107,
70115, 70136, TRUCHIMA*? (Looks pretty similar if not identical to 4297031 &
4296577, however more commonly it's lighter, where as the older two are darker.)
54821/4585759, Trans-Dark Blue: 7179, 8863, 2521, 2260 (Unlike 4297031,
4296577 & 6024162, these do not appear to be marbled, but rather akin to the
purple 6030826.)
54821/4297030, Trans-Orange: 9763?, 8729, 8730, 8925, 8930, 8929, 8108,
8932, 8931, 8927, 8926
54821/4297034, Trans-Light Green: 8727, 8728
54821/4583979, Trans-Light Bright Green: 7156, 7148, 7162, 7157, 7147,
9450 (Typically a gradient between the seagreen of 4583979 and the bright green
of 4655587)
54821/4655587, Trans-Bright Green: 6203, 6227, 6223, 6222, 6221, 6217,
6218, 44014, 70503, 44022, 44029, 70132, 44028, 70163, 70165, 44019, 44015, 70732,
9780545703307?
54821/6030826, Trans-Purple: 70702, 70703

*See the listing on Brickset. This set does not appear to exist on Bricklink
at the time of this post.


Co-Injected:
95753/4622390, Red/Yellow: 2235, 2192, 2194, 2193, 2507
95753/6045972, Trans-Black/Trans-Yellow: 10237
15365/6075061, Trans-Light Blue/White: 70209, 70212, 70210, 70156, 70146,
70151, 70147, 76041, 70228
15365/6075267, Trans-Orange/Yellow: 70207, 70211, 70206, 70208 (Seemingly
identical to 6075599)
95753/6075599, Trans-Orange/Yellow: 70156, 70146, 70150, 70135, 70155,
70149, 70225, 70324, 30399?

If I've missed any set, let me know and I can look in to it.

The other problem is, they also varied in color. A LOT. I had a NISB Zaktan that
had a straight green zamor sphere, then the 3 trans neon green ones.
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In Inventories, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
  The other problem is, they also varied in color. A LOT. I had a NISB Zaktan that
had a straight green zamor sphere, then the 3 trans neon green ones.

Agreed. In that particular case, it seems to be Green mixed with Trans-Yellow
to different extents. Some of the orange zamors look really yellow or flat out
red as well. Perhaps more alternate colors? Though that could easily become a
mess.
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Been looking more into this since the original post here, so I wanted to give
an updated overview. Again, primarily sourced from Instructions where possible,
secondarily from LEGO's database. Set inventories in the database are often
updated to use equivalent pieces for the purpose of replacement part orders,
for this reason it is not as reliable.

As far as identifiying parts goes, the two biggest issue seem to be distinguishing:
- the rare occuring solid marbles from the regular single-color spheres.
- certain even-colored 4296080 from 4655587. If Trans-Bright Green was consistently
fluorescent, this wouldn't be an issue. However, that is not the case.

Contrary to what I originally proposed, for dealing with the varied marbled parts
I think the approach 54821pb05 is probably for the best, at least that is my
opinion.

--Solid Colors--
These should all be fine as is, but I'll list them for completeness sake.

54821/4286172 - Light Bluish Grey (unusued)
54821/4291760 - Lime (unused)
54821/4545430 - Red
   Sets 2236, 2283, 2520, 6200, 6228, 7158, 8547, 10229, 10784, 31313, 40413, 45345, 51515, 70211, 70323, 76028, 2000722, 5005231

54821/4545434 - Yellow
   Sets 6283, 7591, 8547, 10211

54821/4545435 - Green
   Set 8547

54821/4570137 - Blue
   Sets 6230, 6282, 8191, 8547, 10211, 70212
Possibly alternate for sets 7179, 2260, 2521, 8863, 70107? Particularily doubtful on 70107 in this regard.

54821/4586623 - Tan
   Sets 2509, 8864

54821/6198976 - Black
   Sets 75188 (both versions), 76104

--Transparent--
54821/4655587 - Trans-Bright Green
   Sets 6203, 6217, 6218, 6221, 6222, 6223, 6227, 44014, 44015, 44019, 44022, 44028, 44029, 70132, 70163, 70165, 70503, 70732, 9780545703307
Set 9450 on replacement orders, possibly alternate.
Seem to vary a bit in translucency. Compared to 4297034/4583979, these are somewhat more yellow, though this can be difficult to notice under certain lighting conditions. However, this instead makes them difficult to distinguish from some even-colored 4296080.
Some but not all are fluorescent. Uncertain if there is a pattern as to which ones are/are not.

54821/6030826 - Trans-Purple
   Sets 70702, 70703

--Pearl Colors--
54821/4291757 - Pearl Dark Grey
   Set 8719

54821/4291758 or 54821/4594818 - Pearl Gold
   Sets 8719 (as 4291758)
Set 7600 (possibly 4291758)
Sets 2283, 3850 (as 4594818)

??? - Flat Silver
   Set 8719
Slightly lighter than 4655097, significantly darker than 4494056. Likely 131 Silver.

54821/4494056 - Pearl Light Grey
   Sets 6218, 7029, 7031, 7160, 8685, 8686, 8687, 8697, 8698, 8699, 8941, 8942 (both versions), 8943, 8954, 8995, 8996
131 Silver

54821/4609596 or 54821/4655097 - Flat Silver
   Sets 6202, 6293 (as 4655097)
Set 7160 on replacement orders, possibly alternate. (as 4609596)
315 Silver Metallic

--Marble 1--
Two different colors blended together. May vary between evenly mixed, marbled,
or single-colored, which make them tricky to identify. Typically one transparent
color and one solid color.

54821/4296080 - Trans-Yellow and Green
   Sets 6945, 8103, 8624, 8626, 8893, 8894, 8900, 8901, 8902, 8903, 8904, 8905

54821/4296577 or 54821/4297031 or 54821/4585759 or 54821/6024162 - Trans-Light
Blue and Blue
   Set 7699 (as 4296577)
Sets 8624, 8731, 8732, 8892, 8893, 8894 (as 4297031)
Sets 2260, 2521, 7179, 8863 (as 4585759)
Sets 70102, 70103, 70106, 70107, 70108, 70113, 70115, 70136, "TRUCHIMA" (as 6024162)

54821/4297030 - Trans-Yellow and Red
   Sets 8108, 8729, 8730, 8925, 8926, 8927, 8929, 8930, 8931, 8932, 9763
Note that this same color combination is also used for 57555.

54821/4297034 or 54821/4583979 - Trans-Clear and Green
   Sets 8727, 8728 (as 4297034)
Sets 7147, 7148, 7156, 7157, 7162, 9450 (as 4583979)

--Marble 2--
Two different colors with distinct sections.

54821/4612532 or 95753/4622390 - Red with Yellow
   Sets 2192, 2193, 2194, 2235, 2507 (as 4622390)
The 4612532 ID I guess is unused?

95753/6045972 - Trans-Black with Trans-Yellow
   Set 10237

15365/6075061 - Trans-Light Blue with White
   Sets 70146, 70147, 70151, 70156, 70209, 70210, 70212, 70228, 76041

15365/6075267 or 95753/6075599 - Trans-Orange with Yellow
   Sets 70206, 70207, 70208, 70211 (as 6075267)
Sets 30399, 70135, 70146, 70149, 70150, 70155, 70156, 70225, 70324 (as 6075599)
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In Inventories, WOLKsite writes:
  Been looking more into this since the original post here, so I wanted to give
an updated overview. Again, primarily sourced from Instructions where possible,
secondarily from LEGO's database. Set inventories in the database are often
updated to use equivalent pieces for the purpose of replacement part orders,
for this reason it is not as reliable.

As far as identifiying parts goes, the two biggest issue seem to be distinguishing:
- the rare occuring solid marbles from the regular single-color spheres.
- certain even-colored 4296080 from 4655587. If Trans-Bright Green was consistently
fluorescent, this wouldn't be an issue. However, that is not the case.

Contrary to what I originally proposed, for dealing with the varied marbled parts
I think the approach 54821pb05 is probably for the best, at least that is my
opinion.

--Solid Colors--
These should all be fine as is, but I'll list them for completeness sake.

54821/4286172 - Light Bluish Grey (unusued)
54821/4291760 - Lime (unused)
54821/4545430 - Red
   Sets 2236, 2283, 2520, 6200, 6228, 7158, 8547, 10229, 10784, 31313, 40413, 45345, 51515, 70211, 70323, 76028, 2000722, 5005231

54821/4545434 - Yellow
   Sets 6283, 7591, 8547, 10211

54821/4545435 - Green
   Set 8547

54821/4570137 - Blue
   Sets 6230, 6282, 8191, 8547, 10211, 70212
Possibly alternate for sets 7179, 2260, 2521, 8863, 70107? Particularily doubtful on 70107 in this regard.

54821/4586623 - Tan
   Sets 2509, 8864

54821/6198976 - Black
   Sets 75188 (both versions), 76104

--Transparent--
54821/4655587 - Trans-Bright Green
   Sets 6203, 6217, 6218, 6221, 6222, 6223, 6227, 44014, 44015, 44019, 44022, 44028, 44029, 70132, 70163, 70165, 70503, 70732, 9780545703307
Set 9450 on replacement orders, possibly alternate.
Seem to vary a bit in translucency. Compared to 4297034/4583979, these are somewhat more yellow, though this can be difficult to notice under certain lighting conditions. However, this instead makes them difficult to distinguish from some even-colored 4296080.
Some but not all are fluorescent. Uncertain if there is a pattern as to which ones are/are not.

54821/6030826 - Trans-Purple
   Sets 70702, 70703

--Pearl Colors--
54821/4291757 - Pearl Dark Grey
   Set 8719

54821/4291758 or 54821/4594818 - Pearl Gold
   Sets 8719 (as 4291758)
Set 7600 (possibly 4291758)
Sets 2283, 3850 (as 4594818)

??? - Flat Silver
   Set 8719
Slightly lighter than 4655097, significantly darker than 4494056. Likely 131 Silver.

54821/4494056 - Pearl Light Grey
   Sets 6218, 7029, 7031, 7160, 8685, 8686, 8687, 8697, 8698, 8699, 8941, 8942 (both versions), 8943, 8954, 8995, 8996
131 Silver

54821/4609596 or 54821/4655097 - Flat Silver
   Sets 6202, 6293 (as 4655097)
Set 7160 on replacement orders, possibly alternate. (as 4609596)
315 Silver Metallic

--Marble 1--
Two different colors blended together. May vary between evenly mixed, marbled,
or single-colored, which make them tricky to identify. Typically one transparent
color and one solid color.

54821/4296080 - Trans-Yellow and Green
   Sets 6945, 8103, 8624, 8626, 8893, 8894, 8900, 8901, 8902, 8903, 8904, 8905

54821/4296577 or 54821/4297031 or 54821/4585759 or 54821/6024162 - Trans-Light
Blue and Blue
   Set 7699 (as 4296577)
Sets 8624, 8731, 8732, 8892, 8893, 8894 (as 4297031)
Sets 2260, 2521, 7179, 8863 (as 4585759)
Sets 70102, 70103, 70106, 70107, 70108, 70113, 70115, 70136, "TRUCHIMA" (as 6024162)

54821/4297030 - Trans-Yellow and Red
   Sets 8108, 8729, 8730, 8925, 8926, 8927, 8929, 8930, 8931, 8932, 9763
Note that this same color combination is also used for 57555.

54821/4297034 or 54821/4583979 - Trans-Clear and Green
   Sets 8727, 8728 (as 4297034)
Sets 7147, 7148, 7156, 7157, 7162, 9450 (as 4583979)

--Marble 2--
Two different colors with distinct sections.

54821/4612532 or 95753/4622390 - Red with Yellow
   Sets 2192, 2193, 2194, 2235, 2507 (as 4622390)
The 4612532 ID I guess is unused?

95753/6045972 - Trans-Black with Trans-Yellow
   Set 10237

15365/6075061 - Trans-Light Blue with White
   Sets 70146, 70147, 70151, 70156, 70209, 70210, 70212, 70228, 76041

15365/6075267 or 95753/6075599 - Trans-Orange with Yellow
   Sets 70206, 70207, 70208, 70211 (as 6075267)
Sets 30399, 70135, 70146, 70149, 70150, 70155, 70156, 70225, 70324 (as 6075599)

I haven't been able to find an ID for a Cool Silver one yet, but I will try
to find one. Cool Silver is lighter in color than Silver, but these spheres are
known for being weird.
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 Posted: May 24, 2023 15:29
 Subject: Re: Consistent Zamor Sphere Inventory Listings
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In Inventories, WOLKsite writes:
  Been looking more into this since the original post here, so I wanted to give
an updated overview. Again, primarily sourced from Instructions where possible,
secondarily from LEGO's database. Set inventories in the database are often
updated to use equivalent pieces for the purpose of replacement part orders,
for this reason it is not as reliable.

As far as identifiying parts goes, the two biggest issue seem to be distinguishing:
- the rare occuring solid marbles from the regular single-color spheres.
- certain even-colored 4296080 from 4655587. If Trans-Bright Green was consistently
fluorescent, this wouldn't be an issue. However, that is not the case.

Contrary to what I originally proposed, for dealing with the varied marbled parts
I think the approach 54821pb05 is probably for the best, at least that is my
opinion.

--Solid Colors--
These should all be fine as is, but I'll list them for completeness sake.

54821/4286172 - Light Bluish Grey (unusued)
54821/4291760 - Lime (unused)
54821/4545430 - Red
   Sets 2236, 2283, 2520, 6200, 6228, 7158, 8547, 10229, 10784, 31313, 40413, 45345, 51515, 70211, 70323, 76028, 2000722, 5005231

54821/4545434 - Yellow
   Sets 6283, 7591, 8547, 10211

54821/4545435 - Green
   Set 8547

54821/4570137 - Blue
   Sets 6230, 6282, 8191, 8547, 10211, 70212
Possibly alternate for sets 7179, 2260, 2521, 8863, 70107? Particularily doubtful on 70107 in this regard.

54821/4586623 - Tan
   Sets 2509, 8864

54821/6198976 - Black
   Sets 75188 (both versions), 76104

--Transparent--
54821/4655587 - Trans-Bright Green
   Sets 6203, 6217, 6218, 6221, 6222, 6223, 6227, 44014, 44015, 44019, 44022, 44028, 44029, 70132, 70163, 70165, 70503, 70732, 9780545703307
Set 9450 on replacement orders, possibly alternate.
Seem to vary a bit in translucency. Compared to 4297034/4583979, these are somewhat more yellow, though this can be difficult to notice under certain lighting conditions. However, this instead makes them difficult to distinguish from some even-colored 4296080.
Some but not all are fluorescent. Uncertain if there is a pattern as to which ones are/are not.

54821/6030826 - Trans-Purple
   Sets 70702, 70703

--Pearl Colors--
54821/4291757 - Pearl Dark Grey
   Set 8719

54821/4291758 or 54821/4594818 - Pearl Gold
   Sets 8719 (as 4291758)
Set 7600 (possibly 4291758)
Sets 2283, 3850 (as 4594818)

??? - Flat Silver
   Set 8719
Slightly lighter than 4655097, significantly darker than 4494056. Likely 131 Silver.

54821/4494056 - Pearl Light Grey
   Sets 6218, 7029, 7031, 7160, 8685, 8686, 8687, 8697, 8698, 8699, 8941, 8942 (both versions), 8943, 8954, 8995, 8996
131 Silver

54821/4609596 or 54821/4655097 - Flat Silver
   Sets 6202, 6293 (as 4655097)
Set 7160 on replacement orders, possibly alternate. (as 4609596)
315 Silver Metallic

--Marble 1--
Two different colors blended together. May vary between evenly mixed, marbled,
or single-colored, which make them tricky to identify. Typically one transparent
color and one solid color.

54821/4296080 - Trans-Yellow and Green
   Sets 6945, 8103, 8624, 8626, 8893, 8894, 8900, 8901, 8902, 8903, 8904, 8905

54821/4296577 or 54821/4297031 or 54821/4585759 or 54821/6024162 - Trans-Light
Blue and Blue
   Set 7699 (as 4296577)
Sets 8624, 8731, 8732, 8892, 8893, 8894 (as 4297031)
Sets 2260, 2521, 7179, 8863 (as 4585759)
Sets 70102, 70103, 70106, 70107, 70108, 70113, 70115, 70136, "TRUCHIMA" (as 6024162)

54821/4297030 - Trans-Yellow and Red
   Sets 8108, 8729, 8730, 8925, 8926, 8927, 8929, 8930, 8931, 8932, 9763
Note that this same color combination is also used for 57555.

54821/4297034 or 54821/4583979 - Trans-Clear and Green
   Sets 8727, 8728 (as 4297034)
Sets 7147, 7148, 7156, 7157, 7162, 9450 (as 4583979)

--Marble 2--
Two different colors with distinct sections.

54821/4612532 or 95753/4622390 - Red with Yellow
   Sets 2192, 2193, 2194, 2235, 2507 (as 4622390)
The 4612532 ID I guess is unused?

95753/6045972 - Trans-Black with Trans-Yellow
   Set 10237

15365/6075061 - Trans-Light Blue with White
   Sets 70146, 70147, 70151, 70156, 70209, 70210, 70212, 70228, 76041

15365/6075267 or 95753/6075599 - Trans-Orange with Yellow
   Sets 70206, 70207, 70208, 70211 (as 6075267)
Sets 30399, 70135, 70146, 70149, 70150, 70155, 70156, 70225, 70324 (as 6075599)

So, it's been over a year since I last posted on this lol...

I'm unsure exactly how to proceed here. Since they are marbled, most accurately
I think what should happen is:
- rename 54821pb05 "Ball, Bionicle Zamor Sphere with Marbled Trans-Bright
Green Pattern" to "Ball, Bionicle Zamor Sphere with Marbled Trans-Yellow
Pattern", and have the 4296080 sets use that in green, while the 4297030
ones use red.
- make 54821pb06 and 54821pb07 "with Marbled Trans-Light Blue Pattern"
and "with Marbled Milky White Pattern". The former for 4296577/4297031/4585759/6024162,
and the latter for 4297034/4583979.
- finally, move 4655587 to Trans-Bright Green.

However, that is a little beyond my scope.

I also still need to further research the alternates for sets 7160, 9450, 7179,
2260, 2521, 8863, 70107... But that costs more money!