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| | | Author: | WoutR  | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 06:36 | | Subject: | Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 170 times | | Topic: | Colors | | Status: | Open | |
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| I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
but in preparation here is a photo of some pink parts.
The parts on the left are LEGO Light Reddish Violet. The parts on the
right are LEGO Rose. Both are called pink on BrickLink.
Rose is commonly called "Paradisa Pink" and is often sold as "Light Pink" on
BrickLink.
I am not sure if BrickLink's Light Pink actually exist. I suspect many are
misidentified.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 09:35 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
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Still planned. 
It would probably be best to update all the existing catalog guidelines before
doing much of anything else major and that's what we're working on.
I've attached a photo showing where we are on this.
No highlighting = not updated, but should be relatively easy updates
Yellow highlighting = not updated and will be controversial/difficult updates
Pink highlighting = expected completion by June 1st
Green highlighting = completed updates
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| | | | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 10:19 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, StormChaser writes:
| | In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
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Still planned.
It would probably be best to update all the existing catalog guidelines before
doing much of anything else major and that's what we're working on.
I've attached a photo showing where we are on this.
No highlighting = not updated, but should be relatively easy updates
Yellow highlighting = not updated and will be controversial/difficult updates
Pink highlighting = expected completion by June 1st
Green highlighting = completed updates
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Will Colors (#10) and/or Colors Additional Notes (#11) include having both BL
and Official Lego naming & lego color ID on this list? https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?utm_content=subnav
It would be beneficial if it contained real image examples in some sort of grid
format perhaps on a separate page as a visual aide of what the colors look like,
for those that are new or unsure on some of these. I know Ryan Howerter has done
excellent job at this already.
Miro
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 11:48 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Miro78 writes:
It won't be on the list you linked to because that would require coding change
to the site itself and we don't have that capability. However, we might
look at adding it to one of those two Help pages.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 13:06 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, StormChaser writes:
| | In Colors, Miro78 writes:
It won't be on the list you linked to because that would require coding change
to the site itself and we don't have that capability. However, we might
look at adding it to one of those two Help pages.
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I'll try to update my list soon
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=132381
The help pages need a lot of work.
Ryan / Pikachu3 has a lot of great photos and should be able to make comparison
photos of color families under constant light conditions also. Ryan and I both
have a collection that includes almost all known colors, but Ryan's photos
are better.
We also need a catalog guideline on when it is OK to group to known LEGO colors
under one Bricklink color name. Currently, that is common practice.
I think that we should not do that if
- parts are released in both colors;
- if one has colored material (solid/pearl/...) and the other has a surface coating
(chrome/metallic/...)
- the colors look very different (which might be subjective).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WoutR writes:
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It is almost a certainty that we will ask for your assistance when updating the
help pages on colors.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 12:36 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Miro78 writes:
| | In Colors, StormChaser writes:
| | In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
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Still planned.
It would probably be best to update all the existing catalog guidelines before
doing much of anything else major and that's what we're working on.
I've attached a photo showing where we are on this.
No highlighting = not updated, but should be relatively easy updates
Yellow highlighting = not updated and will be controversial/difficult updates
Pink highlighting = expected completion by June 1st
Green highlighting = completed updates
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Will Colors (#10) and/or Colors Additional Notes (#11) include having both BL
and Official Lego naming & lego color ID on this list? https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?utm_content=subnav
It would be beneficial if it contained real image examples in some sort of grid
format perhaps on a separate page as a visual aide of what the colors look like,
for those that are new or unsure on some of these.
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You can click "with images" or "thumbnail gallery" and you will see this sort
of display:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?v=1&itemType=P&itemNo=
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?v=2&itemType=P&itemNo=
| | I know Ryan Howerter has done
excellent job at this already.
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He does. That is a great resource.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 12:42 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| I visit the color list page almost everyday, and I think I never clicked that
two links on top 
In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Colors, Miro78 writes:
| | In Colors, StormChaser writes:
| | In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
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Still planned.
It would probably be best to update all the existing catalog guidelines before
doing much of anything else major and that's what we're working on.
I've attached a photo showing where we are on this.
No highlighting = not updated, but should be relatively easy updates
Yellow highlighting = not updated and will be controversial/difficult updates
Pink highlighting = expected completion by June 1st
Green highlighting = completed updates
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Will Colors (#10) and/or Colors Additional Notes (#11) include having both BL
and Official Lego naming & lego color ID on this list? https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?utm_content=subnav
It would be beneficial if it contained real image examples in some sort of grid
format perhaps on a separate page as a visual aide of what the colors look like,
for those that are new or unsure on some of these.
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You can click "with images" or "thumbnail gallery" and you will see this sort
of display:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?v=1&itemType=P&itemNo=
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?v=2&itemType=P&itemNo=
| | I know Ryan Howerter has done
excellent job at this already.
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He does. That is a great resource.
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| | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 11:42 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, StormChaser writes:
| | It would probably be best to update all the existing catalog guidelines before
doing much of anything else major and that's what we're working on.
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Agreed. Don't do everything at once. I assume that this forum thread will
still be available when we get to that project.
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 10:52 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
but in preparation here is a photo of some pink parts.
The parts on the left are LEGO Light Reddish Violet. The parts on the
right are LEGO Rose. Both are called pink on BrickLink.
Rose is commonly called "Paradisa Pink" and is often sold as "Light Pink" on
BrickLink.
I am not sure if BrickLink's Light Pink actually exist. I suspect many are
misidentified.
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I had never noted this difference. I parted out a few Paradisa sets quite a
while back, but I guess none of them had the same pieces as Belville sets I parted
out.
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| | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 11:03 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
but in preparation here is a photo of some pink parts.
The parts on the left are LEGO Light Reddish Violet. The parts on the
right are LEGO Rose. Both are called pink on BrickLink.
Rose is commonly called "Paradisa Pink" and is often sold as "Light Pink" on
BrickLink.
I am not sure if BrickLink's Light Pink actually exist. I suspect many are
misidentified.
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The pink on the right in that photo looks uv damaged to me. Particularly the
fence. I know paradisa pink gets discolored very easily. Which I'm sure adds
to the problem.
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| | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 11:24 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Adjour writes:
| | In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
but in preparation here is a photo of some pink parts.
The parts on the left are LEGO Light Reddish Violet. The parts on the
right are LEGO Rose. Both are called pink on BrickLink.
Rose is commonly called "Paradisa Pink" and is often sold as "Light Pink" on
BrickLink.
I am not sure if BrickLink's Light Pink actually exist. I suspect many are
misidentified.
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The pink on the right in that photo looks uv damaged to me. Particularly the
fence. I know paradisa pink gets discolored very easily. Which I'm sure adds
to the problem.
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I also have yellowed Paradisa parts. Those are even more yellow.
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| | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 12:29 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
but in preparation here is a photo of some pink parts.
The parts on the left are LEGO Light Reddish Violet. The parts on the
right are LEGO Rose. Both are called pink on BrickLink.
Rose is commonly called "Paradisa Pink" and is often sold as "Light Pink" on
BrickLink.
I am not sure if BrickLink's Light Pink actually exist. I suspect many are
misidentified.
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One of the solutions is to simply start using Light Pink for the early pink color.
Some sellers are already doing this.
However, the bigger problem is fitting the new color into our inventory system.
It would be great if the first two set years of Paradisa (1992-1993) the sets
only contained the early pink. But later copies of even the earliest Paradisa
sets have been found with the new pink.
So then we would be stuck with the same situation as the 2003-2004 color changes,
where large parts of an inventory are labeled color alternates. This presents
a very practical problem in that mold variants would compete for space in the
inventory. We give preference to mold variant over minor color variant, but it's
a choice no Inv Admin wants to make.
BrickLink did a survey of these colors in Brickworld Chicago in 2018. It was
called the Pink Challenge and participants were asked simply to sort by color
a dozen pink colored parts in a tray. These included the modern Bright Pink.
Almost everyone clearly distinguished the early pink color, though there was
little consensus on what to call it. I think we ended up with about 50 different
name suggestions by the end of the event.
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| | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | May 14, 2020 13:15 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
but in preparation here is a photo of some pink parts.
The parts on the left are LEGO Light Reddish Violet. The parts on the
right are LEGO Rose. Both are called pink on BrickLink.
Rose is commonly called "Paradisa Pink" and is often sold as "Light Pink" on
BrickLink.
I am not sure if BrickLink's Light Pink actually exist. I suspect many are
misidentified.
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One of the solutions is to simply start using Light Pink for the early pink color.
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Then we need to check the colors of the few parts that remain.
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In my opinion, that supports the need to separate these. Also, I really dislike
grouping colors when the same part is available in both colors. Then, for example,
as a buyer you never know which version you will get.
| | However, the bigger problem is fitting the new color into our inventory system.
It would be great if the first two set years of Paradisa (1992-1993) the sets
only contained the early pink. But later copies of even the earliest Paradisa
sets have been found with the new pink.
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As a guideline:
Rose 1992-1997
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14776964407/
Light Reddish Violet 1997-2006
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14931522786/
(after that replaced by Bright Pink)
| | So then we would be stuck with the same situation as the 2003-2004 color changes,
where large parts of an inventory are labeled color alternates. This presents
a very practical problem in that mold variants would compete for space in the
inventory. We give preference to mold variant over minor color variant, but it's
a choice no Inv Admin wants to make.
BrickLink did a survey of these colors in Brickworld Chicago in 2018. It was
called the Pink Challenge and participants were asked simply to sort by color
a dozen pink colored parts in a tray. These included the modern Bright Pink.
Almost everyone clearly distinguished the early pink color, though there was
little consensus on what to call it. I think we ended up with about 50 different
name suggestions by the end of the event.
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jun 7, 2020 20:42 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
but in preparation here is a photo of some pink parts.
The parts on the left are LEGO Light Reddish Violet. The parts on the
right are LEGO Rose. Both are called pink on BrickLink.
Rose is commonly called "Paradisa Pink" and is often sold as "Light Pink" on
BrickLink.
I am not sure if BrickLink's Light Pink actually exist. I suspect many are
misidentified.
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I recently found a rare 9290-1 for sale. I took the band off myself, so I'm
reasonably sure there was no UV damage, but I can't speak for say temperature
or humidity or anything else. The set is 24 years old.
I didn't notice any problem as I prepared the inventory and sorted the set
out in my kitchen and living room. But when I got it ready to sell the pieces,
in my stockroom with bright white light, I found the white pieces all off-white.
They aren't terrible, you know? I've seen way worse. But they were
not factory white. So I have given them all to my daughters. But none of the
other colors seemed bad until I was consolidating pieces that I already had in
my inventory. This pic shows what I found. Maybe the pink is damaged, but I
just wondered if maybe it wasn't. If 5890 and 9290 come with different old
pinks, then I want to keep one of each for reference. And I have enough to prepare
3 more reference sets for other people. I take some hope from the fact that
the ones in 9290 seem lighter. I'm not sure what a yellowed old pink piece
would look like, but I would expect it to get darker rather than lighter.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 02:44 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, axaday writes:
| | I recently found a rare 9290-1 for sale. I took the band off myself, so I'm
reasonably sure there was no UV damage, but I can't speak for say temperature
or humidity or anything else. The set is 24 years old.
I didn't notice any problem as I prepared the inventory and sorted the set
out in my kitchen and living room. But when I got it ready to sell the pieces,
in my stockroom with bright white light, I found the white pieces all off-white.
They aren't terrible, you know? I've seen way worse. But they were
not factory white. So I have given them all to my daughters. But none of the
other colors seemed bad until I was consolidating pieces that I already had in
my inventory. This pic shows what I found. Maybe the pink is damaged, but I
just wondered if maybe it wasn't. If 5890 and 9290 come with different old
pinks, then I want to keep one of each for reference. And I have enough to prepare
3 more reference sets for other people. I take some hope from the fact that
the ones in 9290 seem lighter. I'm not sure what a yellowed old pink piece
would look like, but I would expect it to get darker rather than lighter.
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The one on the right looks like Paradisa Pink (LEGO=Rose) to me. I don't
have access to our physical color chart at the moment to create a comparison
photo, but the old pink has a grayness / dullness that is unmistakable. See image
below.
I found the winners' list from the competition, btw.
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| | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 12:26 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, axaday writes:
| | In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
but in preparation here is a photo of some pink parts.
The parts on the left are LEGO Light Reddish Violet. The parts on the
right are LEGO Rose. Both are called pink on BrickLink.
Rose is commonly called "Paradisa Pink" and is often sold as "Light Pink" on
BrickLink.
I am not sure if BrickLink's Light Pink actually exist. I suspect many are
misidentified.
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I recently found a rare 9290-1 for sale. I took the band off myself, so I'm
reasonably sure there was no UV damage, but I can't speak for say temperature
or humidity or anything else. The set is 24 years old.
I didn't notice any problem as I prepared the inventory and sorted the set
out in my kitchen and living room. But when I got it ready to sell the pieces,
in my stockroom with bright white light, I found the white pieces all off-white.
They aren't terrible, you know? I've seen way worse. But they were
not factory white. So I have given them all to my daughters. But none of the
other colors seemed bad until I was consolidating pieces that I already had in
my inventory. This pic shows what I found. Maybe the pink is damaged, but I
just wondered if maybe it wasn't. If 5890 and 9290 come with different old
pinks, then I want to keep one of each for reference. And I have enough to prepare
3 more reference sets for other people. I take some hope from the fact that
the ones in 9290 seem lighter. I'm not sure what a yellowed old pink piece
would look like, but I would expect it to get darker rather than lighter.
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Set 5980 was made from 1994 to 1995.
Set 9290 was issued in 1996. It is not included in the LEGO Collector's guide,
so I am not sure how long those were released.
Ryan uses 1994 as the year of the color change. In my earlier message
(PM), I thought it was 1997.
Both of these are the newer Light Reddish Violet.
This list shows the color change in 1994.
http://ryanhowerter.net/colors.php
His Flickr images mention 1997. I think that the list is correct...
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| | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 12:06 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| | Image showing several Pink and Salmon colors. |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Pippysblocks | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 12:38 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| A really fab colour collection there WoutR
In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | Image showing several Pink and Salmon colors.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 13:12 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Pippyblocks writes:
| | A really fab colour collection there WoutR
In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | Image showing several Pink and Salmon colors.
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Thanks. As far as I know, I am only missing one known color.
(If anyone has a cheap 19071c01 top available, let me know. It does not have
to work.)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 13:16 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | In Colors, Pippyblocks writes:
| | A really fab colour collection there WoutR
In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | Image showing several Pink and Salmon colors.
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Thanks. As far as I know, I am only missing one known color.
(If anyone has a cheap 19071c01 top available, let me know. It does not have
to work.)
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You are only missing white?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 13:19 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, axaday writes:
| | In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | In Colors, Pippyblocks writes:
| | A really fab colour collection there WoutR
In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | Image showing several Pink and Salmon colors.
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Thanks. As far as I know, I am only missing one known color.
(If anyone has a cheap 19071c01 top available, let me know. It does not have
to work.)
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You are only missing white?
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No, the infrared cover... The transparent-milky-white part.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 21:49 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | In Colors, axaday writes:
| | In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | In Colors, Pippyblocks writes:
| | A really fab colour collection there WoutR
In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | Image showing several Pink and Salmon colors.
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Thanks. As far as I know, I am only missing one known color.
(If anyone has a cheap 19071c01 top available, let me know. It does not have
to work.)
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You are only missing white?
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No, the infrared cover... The transparent-milky-white part.
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Oh Ok. If you need white, I can do that for you.
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jun 8, 2020 19:27 | | Subject: | Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WoutR writes:
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Lovely!
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