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| | | Author: | James2506  | | Posted: | Apr 13, 2020 17:07 | | Subject: | Why oh why Batman Sh016b | | Viewed: | 133 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please help. I don’t understand the apparent randomness of the abbreviated naming
rules for minifigures. I collect DC superheroes - specifically anything in a
Batman set. Back many years ago Batman Sh016 had a type 1 cowl. Shortly after
Lego released a type 2 cowl variant and this entered the catalogue as Sh016b.
And now in 2019 as part of the Gotham comic con scene and a magazine exclusive
they release With a sponge cape and this is now Sh016b. This is inconsistent
with other naming conventions. Which is right? For example the first repeat
in the Batman theme was the riddler Bat017. Then he got released with a jet
pack but identical figure and that was Bat023. So should the same figure but
with an accessory variant be a brand new number in the theme or should it be
an a/bc??
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Apr 13, 2020 17:41 | | Subject: | Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, James2506 writes:
| | Please help. I don’t understand the apparent randomness of the abbreviated naming
rules for minifigures. I collect DC superheroes - specifically anything in a
Batman set. Back many years ago Batman Sh016 had a type 1 cowl. Shortly after
Lego released a type 2 cowl variant and this entered the catalogue as Sh016A.
And now in 2019 as part of the Gotham comic con scene and a magazine exclusive
they release With a sponge cape and this is now Sh016b. This is inconsistent
with other naming conventions. Which is right? For example the first repeat
in the Batman theme was the riddler Bat017. Then he got released with a jet
pack but identical figure and that was Bat023. So should the same figure but
with an accessory variant be a brand new number in the theme or should it be
an a/bc??
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If there was perfect foresight, sh016a would have had a new number. But when
he was created he was just a variant in the same sets as sh016. So the A denotes
that he is intended to be the same minifig by Lego. However, he went on to get
5 sets of his own and admins should consider renumbering him.
I have no idea why sh016b didn't have his own number.
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| | | | | | | Author: | James2506 | | Posted: | Apr 13, 2020 18:12 | | Subject: | Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I think each variant should get a fresh number. Certainly the faces do even
though the rest of the fig remains the same. It just happened with Mr Freeze
too - the dark Peary grey now has two unique numbers when all that changed was
the neck bracket and weapon.
How do we ask Admins to consider changing the naming first given?
Thanks
In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, James2506 writes:
| | Please help. I don’t understand the apparent randomness of the abbreviated naming
rules for minifigures. I collect DC superheroes - specifically anything in a
Batman set. Back many years ago Batman Sh016 had a type 1 cowl. Shortly after
Lego released a type 2 cowl variant and this entered the catalogue as Sh016A.
And now in 2019 as part of the Gotham comic con scene and a magazine exclusive
they release With a sponge cape and this is now Sh016b. This is inconsistent
with other naming conventions. Which is right? For example the first repeat
in the Batman theme was the riddler Bat017. Then he got released with a jet
pack but identical figure and that was Bat023. So should the same figure but
with an accessory variant be a brand new number in the theme or should it be
an a/bc??
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If there was perfect foresight, sh016a would have had a new number. But when
he was created he was just a variant in the same sets as sh016. So the A denotes
that he is intended to be the same minifig by Lego. However, he went on to get
5 sets of his own and admins should consider renumbering him.
I have no idea why sh016b didn't have his own number.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Apr 13, 2020 18:39 | | Subject: | Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, James2506 writes:
| | I think each variant should get a fresh number. Certainly the faces do even
though the rest of the fig remains the same. It just happened with Mr Freeze
too - the dark Peary grey now has two unique numbers when all that changed was
the neck bracket and weapon.
How do we ask Admins to consider changing the naming first given?
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I am sure an admin will see this thread.
It's not a for sure thing. They also have to weigh in how it will affect
stores to have the name change. They may have labelled things. Just adding
a or b on the end is much gentler for that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Apr 14, 2020 03:50 | | Subject: | Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, James2506 writes:
| | I think each variant should get a fresh number. Certainly the faces do even
though the rest of the fig remains the same. It just happened with Mr Freeze
too - the dark Peary grey now has two unique numbers when all that changed was
the neck bracket and weapon.
How do we ask Admins to consider changing the naming first given?
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I am sure an admin will see this thread.
It's not a for sure thing. They also have to weigh in how it will affect
stores to have the name change. They may have labelled things. Just adding
a or b on the end is much gentler for that.
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When minfigs assembly is exactly the same but there is just one minior change
in part variant minfigs is classified as variant minfig and gets a or b or c
if there are more variants.
In Batman case all three are the same just one part is in differnt part variant
in sh016 and sh016a and now sh016b is the same assembly as sh016a just cape is
in diffrent part variant. It is a quite common practice (not always consistent,
but I try to keep it consistent)
Minfigs gest new number when assembly is diffrent for example wjhen for this
Batmon would be added totally differnt part
Example with Mr Freeze is good it got nee number as assembly is different, this
minfig has additiona parts so it makes an assembly different.
so few example
assembly the same just the head has different color
assembly the same just cape variant changed
but
new numbers as totally different heads are in there
but when print on the head si only small variation minfig is consider also variant
and gets an a
* | | trn227 (Inv) Overalls with Tools in Pocket, Blue Legs, Red Short Bill Cap, Glasses with Brown Thin Eyebrows
Minifigures: Train |
brown eybrows vs red eyebrows, very minor difference beside that minfigs are
identical
recently added
these have different numbers as they are different assemblies, every one have
additional parts there, but for example if suddenly LEGO would start produce
cupcae in different mold variant and it would be discovered then one with mold
variant of such part would get variant with the same number and added a
when you look through catalog teher really a lot of "a" and "b" variants of minifigs
in very different themes
So important is how significant if change of similar character or minfigs. Slight
change, only different part variant but whole assembly the same. This is minfig
variant with the same number but with a added. Only slight change in prinbt also
only a variant. Significant print change or aditional parts added which makes
it different assembty, new number.
some more examples
only chane of color of the photoreceptor
but here more significant print change
ok there are meny meny more examples 
so numeration of those batmans stays as they are as those minfigs hase the same
assemblies only parts are in different mold variants
normal cape vs spongy cape
type of mask also mold variant
the same here only mask mold change
but here different heads, so different assemblies and new numbers
(btw name should be change here to get rid of type 1, 2 and 3, describtion of
faces exspressions should be here as all heads have different prints like here
for example https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?pg=1&catString=971&catType=M&v=1)
Hope this is more clear now why ve have minfigs variants marked as a nad b
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | James2506 | | Posted: | May 1, 2020 20:32 | | Subject: | Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thanks for such a long effort and providing other examples. I follow but don’t
agree - I think any change for a new part should equal a new number, but it’s
not up to me!
Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, James2506 writes:
| | I think each variant should get a fresh number. Certainly the faces do even
though the rest of the fig remains the same. It just happened with Mr Freeze
too - the dark Peary grey now has two unique numbers when all that changed was
the neck bracket and weapon.
How do we ask Admins to consider changing the naming first given?
|
I am sure an admin will see this thread.
It's not a for sure thing. They also have to weigh in how it will affect
stores to have the name change. They may have labelled things. Just adding
a or b on the end is much gentler for that.
|
When minfigs assembly is exactly the same but there is just one minior change
in part variant minfigs is classified as variant minfig and gets a or b or c
if there are more variants.
In Batman case all three are the same just one part is in differnt part variant
in sh016 and sh016a and now sh016b is the same assembly as sh016a just cape is
in diffrent part variant. It is a quite common practice (not always consistent,
but I try to keep it consistent)
Minfigs gest new number when assembly is diffrent for example wjhen for this
Batmon would be added totally differnt part
Example with Mr Freeze is good it got nee number as assembly is different, this
minfig has additiona parts so it makes an assembly different.
so few example
assembly the same just the head has different color
assembly the same just cape variant changed
but
new numbers as totally different heads are in there
but when print on the head si only small variation minfig is consider also variant
and gets an a
* | | trn227 (Inv) Overalls with Tools in Pocket, Blue Legs, Red Short Bill Cap, Glasses with Brown Thin Eyebrows
Minifigures: Train |
brown eybrows vs red eyebrows, very minor difference beside that minfigs are
identical
recently added
these have different numbers as they are different assemblies, every one have
additional parts there, but for example if suddenly LEGO would start produce
cupcae in different mold variant and it would be discovered then one with mold
variant of such part would get variant with the same number and added a
when you look through catalog teher really a lot of "a" and "b" variants of minifigs
in very different themes
So important is how significant if change of similar character or minfigs. Slight
change, only different part variant but whole assembly the same. This is minfig
variant with the same number but with a added. Only slight change in prinbt also
only a variant. Significant print change or aditional parts added which makes
it different assembty, new number.
some more examples
only chane of color of the photoreceptor
but here more significant print change
ok there are meny meny more examples
so numeration of those batmans stays as they are as those minfigs hase the same
assemblies only parts are in different mold variants
normal cape vs spongy cape
type of mask also mold variant
the same here only mask mold change
but here different heads, so different assemblies and new numbers
(btw name should be change here to get rid of type 1, 2 and 3, describtion of
faces exspressions should be here as all heads have different prints like here
for example https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?pg=1&catString=971&catType=M&v=1)
Hope this is more clear now why ve have minfigs variants marked as a nad b
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | James2506 | | Posted: | May 13, 2020 13:16 | | Subject: | Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| So in the coming summer sets for DC Batman we are getting another black Sh016
batman but a new cape (very cool looking glide cape) - so we should expect Sh016c
in the Penguin Boat Chase. We are also getting another dark grey batman with
gold outline belt with the same new cape so he should get Sh589a in the Mobile
Bat Base and Joker Trike Chase. Interestingly they are releasing these with
3 capes in each set so are we going to get 3 variants in a single set!!!! Oh
my head hurts.
Thanks
In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, James2506 writes:
| | I think each variant should get a fresh number. Certainly the faces do even
though the rest of the fig remains the same. It just happened with Mr Freeze
too - the dark Peary grey now has two unique numbers when all that changed was
the neck bracket and weapon.
How do we ask Admins to consider changing the naming first given?
|
I am sure an admin will see this thread.
It's not a for sure thing. They also have to weigh in how it will affect
stores to have the name change. They may have labelled things. Just adding
a or b on the end is much gentler for that.
|
When minfigs assembly is exactly the same but there is just one minior change
in part variant minfigs is classified as variant minfig and gets a or b or c
if there are more variants.
In Batman case all three are the same just one part is in differnt part variant
in sh016 and sh016a and now sh016b is the same assembly as sh016a just cape is
in diffrent part variant. It is a quite common practice (not always consistent,
but I try to keep it consistent)
Minfigs gest new number when assembly is diffrent for example wjhen for this
Batmon would be added totally differnt part
Example with Mr Freeze is good it got nee number as assembly is different, this
minfig has additiona parts so it makes an assembly different.
so few example
assembly the same just the head has different color
assembly the same just cape variant changed
but
new numbers as totally different heads are in there
but when print on the head si only small variation minfig is consider also variant
and gets an a
* | | trn227 (Inv) Overalls with Tools in Pocket, Blue Legs, Red Short Bill Cap, Glasses with Brown Thin Eyebrows
Minifigures: Train |
brown eybrows vs red eyebrows, very minor difference beside that minfigs are
identical
recently added
these have different numbers as they are different assemblies, every one have
additional parts there, but for example if suddenly LEGO would start produce
cupcae in different mold variant and it would be discovered then one with mold
variant of such part would get variant with the same number and added a
when you look through catalog teher really a lot of "a" and "b" variants of minifigs
in very different themes
So important is how significant if change of similar character or minfigs. Slight
change, only different part variant but whole assembly the same. This is minfig
variant with the same number but with a added. Only slight change in prinbt also
only a variant. Significant print change or aditional parts added which makes
it different assembty, new number.
some more examples
only chane of color of the photoreceptor
but here more significant print change
ok there are meny meny more examples
so numeration of those batmans stays as they are as those minfigs hase the same
assemblies only parts are in different mold variants
normal cape vs spongy cape
type of mask also mold variant
the same here only mask mold change
but here different heads, so different assemblies and new numbers
(btw name should be change here to get rid of type 1, 2 and 3, describtion of
faces exspressions should be here as all heads have different prints like here
for example https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?pg=1&catString=971&catType=M&v=1)
Hope this is more clear now why ve have minfigs variants marked as a nad b
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | May 13, 2020 13:49 | | Subject: | Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, James2506 writes:
| | So in the coming summer sets for DC Batman we are getting another black Sh016
batman but a new cape (very cool looking glide cape) - so we should expect Sh016c
in the Penguin Boat Chase.
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In set 75168 will be new number for Batman as cape has totally different shape
so this will be Batman assembly with new part not being varian of previous capes
This cape isn't a varian to capes
and
[p=56630b,11]
and
New part in assembly not part variant so new number not a, b or c
| | We are also getting another dark grey batman with
gold outline belt with the same new cape so he should get Sh589a in the Mobile
Bat Base and Joker Trike Chase. Interestingly they are releasing these with
3 capes in each set so are we going to get 3 variants in a single set!!!! Oh
my head hurts.
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For other two Batman sets policy is clear only one minfig can be accepted in
assembly as showed firstly in building instruction. So when minfig has in alternates
for it assembly only fisrt showed version in instruction is approved.
For example
in set
can be with hair or helmet.
but in instruction
https://www.lego.com/biassets/bi/6310759.pdf
it is firstly showed assembled with hair then with helmet
so only with hair is being accepted for this set, we don't crate second entry
with helmet.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | James2506 | | Posted: | May 13, 2020 16:47 | | Subject: | Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Thanks!
I built myself an Sh016b today using spare parts from my other figures so your
method has its benefits - i dont have to keep buying new sets - although i do
own the SDCC Gotham Skyline set - just refuse to open it.
James
In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, James2506 writes:
| | So in the coming summer sets for DC Batman we are getting another black Sh016
batman but a new cape (very cool looking glide cape) - so we should expect Sh016c
in the Penguin Boat Chase.
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In set 75168 will be new number for Batman as cape has totally different shape
so this will be Batman assembly with new part not being varian of previous capes
This cape isn't a varian to capes
and
[p=56630b,11]
and
New part in assembly not part variant so new number not a, b or c
| | We are also getting another dark grey batman with
gold outline belt with the same new cape so he should get Sh589a in the Mobile
Bat Base and Joker Trike Chase. Interestingly they are releasing these with
3 capes in each set so are we going to get 3 variants in a single set!!!! Oh
my head hurts.
|
For other two Batman sets policy is clear only one minfig can be accepted in
assembly as showed firstly in building instruction. So when minfig has in alternates
for it assembly only fisrt showed version in instruction is approved.
For example
in set
can be with hair or helmet.
but in instruction
https://www.lego.com/biassets/bi/6310759.pdf
it is firstly showed assembled with hair then with helmet
so only with hair is being accepted for this set, we don't crate second entry
with helmet.
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