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 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Mar 10, 2020 13:10
 Subject: New minifigure head variant 28621
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Hi everyone,

my set
 
Set No: 70432  Name: Haunted Fairground
* 
70432-1 (Inv) Haunted Fairground
443 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 2020
Sets: Hidden Side
came with a new minifigure head type with two holes and new
number 28621. It is already listed at Brickset:
https://brickset.com/parts/design-28621

Looks like the new mold is only used for transparent heads. All three trans-neon
green heads (1x plain, 2x printed) in my set are the new type while all other
heads are 3626c.

How should the new type (and the printed variants) be added to the catalog?

Regards,
Jonas
 


 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Mar 10, 2020 21:18
 Subject: Re: New minifigure head variant 28621
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In Catalog, Turez writes:
  How should the new type (and the printed variants) be added to the catalog?

So this is basically a blocked open stud. We have two options:

1. Catalog them under the existing blocked open stud entry and add the new number
as an additional item number.

2. Create a new 3626d entry.

I don't have any preference here. What do others think?
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Mar 11, 2020 10:16
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
  How should the new type (and the printed variants) be added to the catalog?

So this is basically a blocked open stud. We have two options:

1. Catalog them under the existing blocked open stud entry and add the new number
as an additional item number.

2. Create a new 3626d entry.

I don't have any preference here. What do others think?

As a minifigure collector, #2 is my preference.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: Mar 12, 2020 07:33
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
  How should the new type (and the printed variants) be added to the catalog?

So this is basically a blocked open stud. We have two options:

1. Catalog them under the existing blocked open stud entry and add the new number
as an additional item number.

2. Create a new 3626d entry.

I don't have any preference here. What do others think?

Second option will be the best for now on.
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Mar 12, 2020 16:19
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
  How should the new type (and the printed variants) be added to the catalog?

So this is basically a blocked open stud. We have two options:

1. Catalog them under the existing blocked open stud entry and add the new number
as an additional item number.

2. Create a new 3626d entry.

I don't have any preference here. What do others think?

I also prefer different entries so I will create a new head entry tomorrow. Any
suggestions how to name it? It should not be too long to leave room for pattern
descriptions.

In the meantime I have found the new type also in
 
Set No: 40408  Name: Drag Racer
* 
40408-1 (Inv) Drag Racer
126 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2020
Sets: Hidden Side
and
 
Set No: 70429  Name: El Fuego's Stunt Plane
* 
70429-1 (Inv) El Fuego's Stunt Plane
277 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 2020
Sets: Hidden Side
.
So maybe the latest inventories with transparent heads need to be checked again?
 Author: amthatkindoforc View Messages Posted By amthatkindoforc
 Posted: Mar 12, 2020 16:37
 Subject: Re: New minifigure head variant 28621
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In Catalog, Turez writes:
  I also prefer different entries so I will create a new head entry tomorrow. Any
suggestions how to name it? It should not be too long to leave room for pattern
descriptions.

Depends on which you want to emphasize: the bar down the middle, or the 2 holes.
I kept the "Blocked Open Stud" string so people searching would find both the
current form and this variant.

For the former:
Minifigure, Head [Pattern] - Blocked Open Stud, 1 Bar

For the latter:
Minifigure, Head [Pattern] - Blocked Open Stud, 2 Hole
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Mar 12, 2020 17:28
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In Catalog, amthatkindoforc writes:
  For the former:
Minifigure, Head [Pattern] - Blocked Open Stud, 1 Bar

For the latter:
Minifigure, Head [Pattern] - Blocked Open Stud, 2 Hole

I'd suggest the naming convention requires some additional consideration.
We would like the naming convention to be somewhat indicative of the form of
the obstruction for unambiguous recognition. I fear using "one bar" or "two holes"
leaves us vulnerable to too many potential design changes down the line. I'm
attaching a diagram with labels, all of which are accurate but few which are
unique and unambiguous.

With this in mind, I suggest further discussion.
 
 Author: amthatkindoforc View Messages Posted By amthatkindoforc
 Posted: Mar 12, 2020 19:11
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In Catalog, mfav writes:
  We would like the naming convention to be somewhat indicative of the form of
the obstruction for unambiguous recognition. I fear using "one bar" or "two holes"
leaves us vulnerable to too many potential design changes down the line. I'm
attaching a diagram with labels, all of which are accurate but few which are
unique and unambiguous.

I understand the concern. I like what you've done with describing the bars
as letters, and I believe we should use that as one part of the naming convention.
Unfortunately it doesn't cover the potential cases on the right.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Mar 12, 2020 17:57
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In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
  How should the new type (and the printed variants) be added to the catalog?

So this is basically a blocked open stud. We have two options:

1. Catalog them under the existing blocked open stud entry and add the new number
as an additional item number.

2. Create a new 3626d entry.

I don't have any preference here. What do others think?

I also prefer different entries so I will create a new head entry tomorrow. Any
suggestions how to name it? It should not be too long to leave room for pattern
descriptions.

In the meantime I have found the new type also in
 
Set No: 40408  Name: Drag Racer
* 
40408-1 (Inv) Drag Racer
126 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2020
Sets: Hidden Side
and
 
Set No: 70429  Name: El Fuego's Stunt Plane
* 
70429-1 (Inv) El Fuego's Stunt Plane
277 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 2020
Sets: Hidden Side
.
So maybe the latest inventories with transparent heads need to be checked again?

Yes, we will try and contact all the submitter's of inventories since December
that contained transparent heads.

Thanks for catching this early.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: BricksThatStick View Messages Posted By BricksThatStick
 Posted: Mar 12, 2020 16:56
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In Catalog, Turez writes:
  Hi everyone,

my set
 
Set No: 70432  Name: Haunted Fairground
* 
70432-1 (Inv) Haunted Fairground
443 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 2020
Sets: Hidden Side
came with a new minifigure head type with two holes and new
number 28621. It is already listed at Brickset:
https://brickset.com/parts/design-28621

Looks like the new mold is only used for transparent heads. All three trans-neon
green heads (1x plain, 2x printed) in my set are the new type while all other
heads are 3626c.

How should the new type (and the printed variants) be added to the catalog?

Regards,
Jonas

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1115430

I thought maybe they had found an old mould and started reusing it but looks
a different bar width to the one I found at the link above which is from

 
Set No: 6380  Name: Emergency Treatment Center (St. Mary's Hospital)
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6380-1 (Inv) Emergency Treatment Center (St. Mary's Hospital)
270 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 1987
Sets: Town: Classic Town: Hospital
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Mar 14, 2020 09:28
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Thankfully Axaday jumped in and added the new variant so I don't have to
deal with the description anymore.

[p=3626d]

I'm not sure about the part number, though. Officially, the new mold has
nothing to do with 3626 and in similar cases (where a new mold number is known)
like
 
Part No: 15573  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud with Groove and Bottom Stud Holder (Jumper)
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15573 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud with Groove and Bottom Stud Holder (Jumper)
Parts: Plate, Modified
or
 
Part No: 61252  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Open O Clip (Horizontal Grip)
* 
61252 Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Open O Clip (Horizontal Grip)
Parts: Plate, Modified
BL used to take the official number instead of the previous one +letter.

Regards,
Jonas