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 Author: lmeyer View Messages Posted By lmeyer
 Posted: Feb 11, 2020 22:30
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lmeyer (1231)

Location:  USA, Wisconsin
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I have sold custom sets for sale here for many years.

Now all my sets have been deleted. For the false reason 'items appear to
be fake.'

They were never marketed or listed as a lego-created set, they were always listed
as a custom set designed by me.

Lot of time and effort blown away for an incorrect reason.

Thanks so much, Bricklink and LEGO. Not even any contact to me asking about
them, or anything. Real good show.
 Author: Morph View Messages Posted By Morph
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Do you still have copies that you can re-upload?
 Author: lmeyer View Messages Posted By lmeyer
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In Selling, Morph writes:
  Do you still have copies that you can re-upload?

No. This is a real bush-league move, extremely shocked and disappointed by Bricklink.
Someone could have tried to get more information from me before doing this,
people have always been able to sell their custom built sets here. We were able
to list them in the relevant set categories socthat people could actually find
them as Bricklink made it more difficult in some changes to find custom sets
easily in the catalogs/searches.
 Author: SchmickBricks View Messages Posted By SchmickBricks
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Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

5 Custom Sets: Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they do not
infringe on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO Group.
Custom sets may not contain modified parts or non LEGO parts such as lighting
kits or electric motors.

6. Non LEGO Items: Certain non LEGO items that are deemed by BrickLink to be
part of LEGO fan culture may be listed. These include literature about LEGO products,
LEGO memorabilia, and items used to make custom sets (e.g. stickers, instructions,
and boxes).

So by my understanding I have done no wrong, and my listing is compliant with
the rules.
I suspect I'll never receive a reply.




In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  I have sold custom sets for sale here for many years.

Now all my sets have been deleted. For the false reason 'items appear to
be fake.'

They were never marketed or listed as a lego-created set, they were always listed
as a custom set designed by me.

Lot of time and effort blown away for an incorrect reason.

Thanks so much, Bricklink and LEGO. Not even any contact to me asking about
them, or anything. Real good show.
 Author: Morph View Messages Posted By Morph
 Posted: Feb 11, 2020 23:34
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Morph (36)

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Sounds like someone is cleaning house and either not paying attention, or ???

I saw a post earlier about a guy with a large collection of stromtrooper figures.
Apparently lost his ability to sell because "fake". But in the discussion forum
he was posting pics proving that the figures are branded with the LEGO brand.

That's not kewl at all. I don't sell, but I do like looking at all the
different MOCs that are available and have bought a few.

If you guys aren't getting responses, make it known in the forums. We all
have to come together and push it forward as a group. One-on-one doesn't
seem to be working
 Author: SchmickBricks View Messages Posted By SchmickBricks
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SchmickBricks (2267)

Location:  Australia, South Australia
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My experience has been shared in a few FB BrickLink discussion pages.

If BL and TLG no longer want MOC's sold on the site then so be it, but they
need to remove clause 5 & 6 from their terms that clearly state selling MOC's
and the supporting material for them (box's, stickers e.t.c.) is OK.

The kicker for me was being threatened to have my selling privileges revoked
for multiple breaches, (One MOC, One sticker sheet for the MOC) which is pretty
severe considering by their own terms I have done no wrong, and there was no
prior contact to suggest there was a problem with my listings.

It's very hard now for a store to comply with the selling terms when the
people enforcing them don't even appear to know what those terms are.

I knew nothing good would come from TLG buying BrickLink.



In Selling, Morph writes:
  Sounds like someone is cleaning house and either not paying attention, or ???

I saw a post earlier about a guy with a large collection of stromtrooper figures.
Apparently lost his ability to sell because "fake". But in the discussion forum
he was posting pics proving that the figures are branded with the LEGO brand.

That's not kewl at all. I don't sell, but I do like looking at all the
different MOCs that are available and have bought a few.

If you guys aren't getting responses, make it known in the forums. We all
have to come together and push it forward as a group. One-on-one doesn't
seem to be working
 Author: legoman77 View Messages Posted By legoman77
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In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  My experience has been shared in a few FB BrickLink discussion pages.

If BL and TLG no longer want MOC's sold on the site then so be it, but they
need to remove clause 5 & 6 from their terms that clearly state selling MOC's
and the supporting material for them (box's, stickers e.t.c.) is OK.

The kicker for me was being threatened to have my selling privileges revoked
for multiple breaches, (One MOC, One sticker sheet for the MOC) which is pretty
severe considering by their own terms I have done no wrong, and there was no
prior contact to suggest there was a problem with my listings.

It's very hard now for a store to comply with the selling terms when the
people enforcing them don't even appear to know what those terms are.

I knew nothing good would come from TLG buying BrickLink.



In Selling, Morph writes:
  Sounds like someone is cleaning house and either not paying attention, or ???

I saw a post earlier about a guy with a large collection of stromtrooper figures.
Apparently lost his ability to sell because "fake". But in the discussion forum
he was posting pics proving that the figures are branded with the LEGO brand.

That's not kewl at all. I don't sell, but I do like looking at all the
different MOCs that are available and have bought a few.

If you guys aren't getting responses, make it known in the forums. We all
have to come together and push it forward as a group. One-on-one doesn't
seem to be working

I wonder if TLG acquired BL only to stifle any perceived competition. Lego makes
unique sets and Bricklink members make unique sets. TLG now owns BL so if they
do not like the competition just shut it down. Lego makes more money from the
sale of their sets than than they make from BL Sets. Always follow the money.
John P
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Feb 12, 2020 00:51
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In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.
 Author: lmeyer View Messages Posted By lmeyer
 Posted: Feb 12, 2020 00:57
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In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Also, neo-blacktron and neo-classic space is not anything LEGO ever created.
It describes a STYLE of items created, the designs are my original custom designs.
LEGO doesn't have a copyright on entire themes and color combinations for
sets.
 Author: SchmickBricks View Messages Posted By SchmickBricks
 Posted: Feb 12, 2020 01:07
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SchmickBricks (2267)

Location:  Australia, South Australia
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That is a pretty lame application of the rules, and effectively prevents anyone
from listing any MOC because you (Bricklink) will just assume that it contravenes
someones copyright or IP even if it does not.

No attempt was made to contact me before the items were removed.
If you had contacted me I would have told you that the copyright ran out in the
early 1990's and supplied you with supporting evidence.

Perhaps you need to modify clause 5 and 6, because as they stand I was complying
with them and was penalised regardless.






In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Also, neo-blacktron and neo-classic space is not anything LEGO ever created.
It describes a STYLE of items created, the designs are my original custom designs.
LEGO doesn't have a copyright on entire themes and color combinations for
sets.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
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In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  That is a pretty lame application of the rules, and effectively prevents anyone
from listing any MOC because you (Bricklink) will just assume that it contravenes
someones copyright or IP even if it does not.

Yes, if presented with something that looks like an IP violation, we will assume
it is and remove it.

  No attempt was made to contact me before the items were removed.

The terms you agreed to (and the terms for years before that) give the administration
the right to remove violations *without notice*. However, as a courtesy, we do
send you an automated email with the info from your listing.

And in the case of this new TOS, we made an exception and contacted major sellers
of custom items first to give them a chance to download and/or manage their inventory.

  If you had contacted me I would have told you that the copyright ran out in the
early 1990's and supplied you with supporting evidence.

Feel free to send me the evidence and I will forward it on to the team.

  Perhaps you need to modify clause 5 and 6, because as they stand I was complying
with them and was penalised regardless.

The Terms of Service may be adjusted from time to time, but we can't wait
for that to happen before we enforce the rules of the current TOS.
 Author: SchmickBricks View Messages Posted By SchmickBricks
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SchmickBricks (2267)

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Ok I'll put something together.
Hopefully the original patents still exist.
The 1940's were a long time ago.



In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  That is a pretty lame application of the rules, and effectively prevents anyone
from listing any MOC because you (Bricklink) will just assume that it contravenes
someones copyright or IP even if it does not.

Yes, if presented with something that looks like an IP violation, we will assume
it is and remove it.

  No attempt was made to contact me before the items were removed.

The terms you agreed to (and the terms for years before that) give the administration
the right to remove violations *without notice*. However, as a courtesy, we do
send you an automated email with the info from your listing.

And in the case of this new TOS, we made an exception and contacted major sellers
of custom items first to give them a chance to download and/or manage their inventory.

  If you had contacted me I would have told you that the copyright ran out in the
early 1990's and supplied you with supporting evidence.

Feel free to send me the evidence and I will forward it on to the team.

  Perhaps you need to modify clause 5 and 6, because as they stand I was complying
with them and was penalised regardless.

The Terms of Service may be adjusted from time to time, but we can't wait
for that to happen before we enforce the rules of the current TOS.
 Author: StarBrick View Messages Posted By StarBrick
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In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Ok I'll put something together.
Hopefully the original patents still exist.
The 1940's were a long time ago.



+1
 Author: runner.caller View Messages Posted By runner.caller
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  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:

  Yes, if presented with something that looks like an IP violation, we will assume
it is and remove it.

  Feel free to send me the evidence and I will forward it on to the team.

Guilty until proven innocent then? Good look..
 Author: lmeyer View Messages Posted By lmeyer
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In Selling, runner.caller writes:
  
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:

  Yes, if presented with something that looks like an IP violation, we will assume
it is and remove it.

  Feel free to send me the evidence and I will forward it on to the team.

Guilty until proven innocent then? Good look..

This is the basis of european law, everything is forbidden unless explicitly
stated as legal. Its the basic opposite of american law.
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In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  In Selling, runner.caller writes:
  
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:

  Yes, if presented with something that looks like an IP violation, we will assume
it is and remove it.

  Feel free to send me the evidence and I will forward it on to the team.

Guilty until proven innocent then? Good look..

This is the basis of european law, everything is forbidden unless explicitly
stated as legal. Its the basic opposite of american law.

I wonder if that was a troll, joke, or a bad attempt to somehow discredit european
law systems (compared to US ones).

But just to clarify to anyone who might have thought the above statement is correct:

No, european laws (assuming it meant mainly EU countries, since europe as geographical
area also includes things like parts of Russia) definitely do not work that way,
at least not the ones I know anything about. Indeed, most EU countries most
laws work as expected all the way to the point of not getting stated guilty for
clearly immoral/unethical and damaging actions if those actions did not break
any written laws, rules or regulations.

Though there are some corners even in EU that are slipping towards less functional
law systems, but that is another story.
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In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  That is a pretty lame application of the rules, and effectively prevents anyone
from listing any MOC because you (Bricklink) will just assume that it contravenes
someones copyright or IP even if it does not.

No attempt was made to contact me before the items were removed.
If you had contacted me I would have told you that the copyright ran out in the
early 1990's and supplied you with supporting evidence.

Perhaps you need to modify clause 5 and 6, because as they stand I was complying
with them and was penalised regardless.






In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Also, neo-blacktron and neo-classic space is not anything LEGO ever created.
It describes a STYLE of items created, the designs are my original custom designs.
LEGO doesn't have a copyright on entire themes and color combinations for
sets.


The viewpoint is pretty much like administration in my home country Germany works
and thinks. The basic assumption is that everything that is not explicitly permitted
(and you need to be able to show a paper for that) is assumed to be forbidden
to begin with.
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In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Also, neo-blacktron and neo-classic space is not anything LEGO ever created.
It describes a STYLE of items created, the designs are my original custom designs.
LEGO doesn't have a copyright on entire themes and color combinations for
sets.

Another quote from the new Terms of Service:

"We reserve the right to delete without notice any items listed in your store
on the Site that in our judgement do not comply with these rules."
 Author: SchmickBricks View Messages Posted By SchmickBricks
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Perhaps you need to change the terms to put a blanket ban on MOC's then,
because it's clear that a seller has no way of knowing how you will interpret
the listing policy, and there is no procedure in place for a seller to provide
documentation to prove that a design violates no copyright or IP legislation.

I was compliant with the policy as it is currently written.

Who is making the decisions in each instance?
Is it being done by a single person, an automated script routine or a team a
IP lawyers?








In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Also, neo-blacktron and neo-classic space is not anything LEGO ever created.
It describes a STYLE of items created, the designs are my original custom designs.
LEGO doesn't have a copyright on entire themes and color combinations for
sets.

Another quote from the new Terms of Service:

"We reserve the right to delete without notice any items listed in your store
on the Site that in our judgement do not comply with these rules."
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In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Perhaps you need to change the terms to put a blanket ban on MOC's then,

Absolutely not! Look at the MOCs that are currently listed. We will allow those.

  because it's clear that a seller has no way of knowing how you will interpret
the listing policy, and there is no procedure in place for a seller to provide
documentation to prove that a design violates no copyright or IP legislation.

I was compliant with the policy as it is currently written.

Who is making the decisions in each instance?
Is it being done by a single person, an automated script routine or a team a
IP lawyers?

It's being done by a small team headed by myself. We are the ones who interpret
the TOS on a day-to-day basis.
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"We reserve the right to delete without notice any items listed in your store
on the Site that in our judgement do not comply with these rules."

I see where you are going with this statement, but it might be a good idea to
revise the sentence. I think most people can agree that no two people share
the same opinions or judgements about things. Whenever there is not a clear
right or wrong, there will always be people that think they are doing things
the right way. When the enforcers of policy have the ability to use their opinions
to enforce policy, things get a little hectic.

A little anecdote about this type of thing:

I used to be a traffic court judge. A driver was once before me for getting
a ticket for using his phone while driving, to which the driver said he never
used his phone. The officer said he saw the driver look down then back up.
From that, the officer assumed the driver was using a phone. After further questioning,
the officer never actually saw a phone either before or after the ticket was
issued. It was all judgement based. Both parties believed they were right in
that situation.

That being said, I think it is easy to get to an improper act with Star Trek,
HALO, and Alien type MCOs due to the easy link to IP. Where the grey area comes
into play is for items that appear to be close to IP infringement, but may not
actually violate it.

Normally, many lawyers and expert witnesses are involved in determining IP infringement.
If there are lawyers on the BL IP review team, then good to go, if not, maybe
something to think about.

Just my opinion.
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In Selling, lmeyer writes:

  Also, neo-blacktron and neo-classic space is not anything LEGO ever created.
It describes a STYLE of items created, the designs are my original custom designs.
LEGO doesn't have a copyright on entire themes and color combinations for
sets.

wait, whaaaat?

Not sure how you come to that conclusion.


If I was selling Mickey Mouse stuff, but in a "style" disney didn't come
up with, its still an IP violation...

How on earth does LEGO not have protections on themes they created? Tweeking
them doesn't change the fact that its still BLACKTRON and CLASSIC SPACE.


Sorry this happened to you, but c'mon now.
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In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Can you please, then, explain the deletion of instructions from my shop that
were not under any IP of any kind, ever? You told me that several of my locomotive
designs might be under expired copyright, however I had completely original designs
in my shop, not based on any real locomotive or locomotive paint scheme, that
were also deleted.

*I* own that copyright.

There was no review, every locomotive instruction design in my shop was simply
wiped from existence.

--Tony
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In Selling, AggieSava writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Can you please, then, explain the deletion of instructions from my shop that
were not under any IP of any kind, ever? You told me that several of my locomotive
designs might be under expired copyright, however I had completely original designs
in my shop, not based on any real locomotive or locomotive paint scheme, that
were also deleted.

*I* own that copyright.

There was no review, every locomotive instruction design in my shop was simply
wiped from existence.

--Tony

You are correct, there were several models in your store that were not deleted
because of IP infringement but because of their use of Big Ben Wheels. Sorry
I didn't see that at first, but the info about the wheels was contained in
the image. I didn't notice it until we made the second pass through the custom
items section.
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In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, AggieSava writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Can you please, then, explain the deletion of instructions from my shop that
were not under any IP of any kind, ever? You told me that several of my locomotive
designs might be under expired copyright, however I had completely original designs
in my shop, not based on any real locomotive or locomotive paint scheme, that
were also deleted.

*I* own that copyright.

There was no review, every locomotive instruction design in my shop was simply
wiped from existence.

--Tony

You are correct, there were several models in your store that were not deleted
because of IP infringement but because of their use of Big Ben Wheels. Sorry
I didn't see that at first, but the info about the wheels was contained in
the image. I didn't notice it until we made the second pass through the custom
items section.

So since Big Ben Bricks wheels are functionally identical and nearly visually
identical to LEGO wheels (and actually pre-date LEGO's wheels giving LEGO
some sketchy ground to stand on), if I removed the mention of Big Ben Bricks
wheels from my instructions and re-listed them, you would be ok with them?

They're completely interchangeable on all but 2 of my designs. In fact I
created a spreadsheet that I give to my customers that list which instructions
can be built with 100% LEGO.

-Tony
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In Selling, AggieSava writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, AggieSava writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Can you please, then, explain the deletion of instructions from my shop that
were not under any IP of any kind, ever? You told me that several of my locomotive
designs might be under expired copyright, however I had completely original designs
in my shop, not based on any real locomotive or locomotive paint scheme, that
were also deleted.

*I* own that copyright.

There was no review, every locomotive instruction design in my shop was simply
wiped from existence.

--Tony

You are correct, there were several models in your store that were not deleted
because of IP infringement but because of their use of Big Ben Wheels. Sorry
I didn't see that at first, but the info about the wheels was contained in
the image. I didn't notice it until we made the second pass through the custom
items section.

So since Big Ben Bricks wheels are functionally identical and nearly visually
identical to LEGO wheels (and actually pre-date LEGO's wheels giving LEGO
some sketchy ground to stand on), if I removed the mention of Big Ben Bricks
wheels from my instructions and re-listed them, you would be ok with them?

They're completely interchangeable on all but 2 of my designs. In fact I
created a spreadsheet that I give to my customers that list which instructions
can be built with 100% LEGO.

-Tony

If the instructions show only LEGO parts and no mention is made anywhere of the
custom brand wheels, then yes, you may relist them. But IP may still be an issue
if you use names / trademarks of specific railroad companies.

A colleague and I did a trace recently on some train names for a company that
went out of business in the 50s. We discovered it was sold to another company
which later was sold to another... on and on through 5 or 6 transactions. But
today there is still a company with an address and contact info that owns that
IP, and if a model railroad company wanted to use the IP, they would need to
obtain permission from that (modern) company, even though the original train
has not been seen on a track in 70 years.
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In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, AggieSava writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Can you please, then, explain the deletion of instructions from my shop that
were not under any IP of any kind, ever? You told me that several of my locomotive
designs might be under expired copyright, however I had completely original designs
in my shop, not based on any real locomotive or locomotive paint scheme, that
were also deleted.

*I* own that copyright.

There was no review, every locomotive instruction design in my shop was simply
wiped from existence.

--Tony

You are correct, there were several models in your store that were not deleted
because of IP infringement but because of their use of Big Ben Wheels. Sorry
I didn't see that at first, but the info about the wheels was contained in
the image. I didn't notice it until we made the second pass through the custom
items section.

Hold on. Selling prohibited of third party was clearly stated, understood. Selling
prohibited of IP infringement, more or less clearly stated, implications on expired
intellectual property, or other 'vague' ownerships might be debatable.
But now selling prohibited of instructions using a third party part? That's
not clearly stated, and in the train segment I can imagine this being the demise
of the listing of mocs, instructions etc on Bricklink.

What about the studio? Last time I checked I counted at least 80 Mocs clearly
stating 'ferrari' and 20 odd under 'lamborghini'. That'll
all be gone? We're going to be left with a hollow studio and a hollow gallery
as well?

I hope everybody involved is aware that this will move the 'fan' part
of bricklink to alternatives as Rebrickable, leaving only a pure LEGO brand sellers
platform. If that's the goal, sure, but I have a feeling not everybody is
aware of it, especially if LEGO states the purchase of bricklink partially is
to get closer to the AFOL community.
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In Selling, Gmid writes:

  Hold on. Selling prohibited of third party was clearly stated, understood. Selling
prohibited of IP infringement, more or less clearly stated, implications on expired
intellectual property, or other 'vague' ownerships might be debatable.
But now selling prohibited of instructions using a third party part? That's
not clearly stated, and in the train segment I can imagine this being the demise
of the listing of mocs, instructions etc on Bricklink.

For this, you need to put sections 5 and 6 together:

"Custom sets may not contain modified parts or non LEGO parts such as
lighting kits or electric motors.

"Certain non LEGO items that are deemed by BrickLink to be part of LEGO fan culture
may be listed. These include literature about LEGO products, LEGO memorabilia,
and items used to make custom sets (e.g. stickers, instructions,
and boxes).

When you are buying instructions, you are essentially buying the set without
the parts or box.

  What about the studio? Last time I checked I counted at least 80 Mocs clearly
stating 'ferrari' and 20 odd under 'lamborghini'. That'll
all be gone? We're going to be left with a hollow studio and a hollow gallery
as well?

They will not be removed from the Studio Gallery. The file download and inventory
export functions will be disabled. We haven't really started in there yet,
so keep that in mind when browsing.
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Dear Russell,

I think you're trying your best to resolve this IP situation. I truly think
you think you are. I'm imagining you've been given a deadline and insufficient
resources. That's what I'm imagining.

However.

The message I'm hearing is that BrickLink is more concerned with not being
sued by some entity, and will do whatever it thinks is necessary regardless of
how the actions taken are perceived by the community.

BrickLink does not and will not provide clear specific direction as to what is
and is not allowable because that would take too long. However, BrickLink will
take time to poorly explain decisions after the fact when the consequences of
its actions are blowing up on the forum.

If BrickLink would take the time to inform Member X that his instructions will
be pulled because he mentions Brand Competitor in them, and suggest proactively
that Member X revise his instructions to not include a mention of Brand Competitor
in them, then he's welcome to offer his instructions in the store...that
would be a different story. In that instance you've defined the problem and
offered a solution. That would make me, as Member X, feel valued.

I've lost count for today how many members have expressed...dissatisfaction...with
the way their cases have been handled. It is going to be difficult to earn back
the member good will. It is going to be difficult to earn back the member trust.

Now, granted, it would take time to explain the situation to every seller who
has an item in violation of some fairly ambiguous rules, but it would avoid ill-will
being engendered throughout the community.

Explain to me, please, how the way BrickLink is going about this situation is
positively embracing the AFOL community.

Mark
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In Selling, mfav writes:
  Dear Russell,

I think you're trying your best to resolve this IP situation. I truly think
you think you are. I'm imagining you've been given a deadline and insufficient
resources. That's what I'm imagining.

However.

The message I'm hearing is that BrickLink is more concerned with not being
sued by some entity, and will do whatever it thinks is necessary regardless of
how the actions taken are perceived by the community.

BrickLink does not and will not provide clear specific direction as to what is
and is not allowable because that would take too long. However, BrickLink will
take time to poorly explain decisions after the fact when the consequences of
its actions are blowing up on the forum.

If BrickLink would take the time to inform Member X that his instructions will
be pulled because he mentions Brand Competitor in them, and suggest proactively
that Member X revise his instructions to not include a mention of Brand Competitor
in them, then he's welcome to offer his instructions in the store...that
would be a different story. In that instance you've defined the problem and
offered a solution. That would make me, as Member X, feel valued.

I've lost count for today how many members have expressed...dissatisfaction...with
the way their cases have been handled. It is going to be difficult to earn back
the member good will. It is going to be difficult to earn back the member trust.

Now, granted, it would take time to explain the situation to every seller who
has an item in violation of some fairly ambiguous rules, but it would avoid ill-will
being engendered throughout the community.

Explain to me, please, how the way BrickLink is going about this situation is
positively embracing the AFOL community.

Mark

Spot on.
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In Selling, mfav writes:
  Dear Russell,

I think you're trying your best to resolve this IP situation. I truly think
you think you are. I'm imagining you've been given a deadline and insufficient
resources. That's what I'm imagining.

However.

The message I'm hearing is that BrickLink is more concerned with not being
sued by some entity, and will do whatever it thinks is necessary regardless of
how the actions taken are perceived by the community.

BrickLink does not and will not provide clear specific direction as to what is
and is not allowable because that would take too long. However, BrickLink will
take time to poorly explain decisions after the fact when the consequences of
its actions are blowing up on the forum.

If BrickLink would take the time to inform Member X that his instructions will
be pulled because he mentions Brand Competitor in them, and suggest proactively
that Member X revise his instructions to not include a mention of Brand Competitor
in them, then he's welcome to offer his instructions in the store...that
would be a different story. In that instance you've defined the problem and
offered a solution. That would make me, as Member X, feel valued.

I've lost count for today how many members have expressed...dissatisfaction...with
the way their cases have been handled. It is going to be difficult to earn back
the member good will. It is going to be difficult to earn back the member trust.

Now, granted, it would take time to explain the situation to every seller who
has an item in violation of some fairly ambiguous rules, but it would avoid ill-will
being engendered throughout the community.

Explain to me, please, how the way BrickLink is going about this situation is
positively embracing the AFOL community.

Mark


Well said. And to sum up, this all goes back to the number one thing people on
Bricklink complain about. Through all the bugs, changes, and whatever else. Bricklink's
number 1 problem is their horrendous lack of communication.

Also, Bricklink might be the only website in the entire world where it's
users actually read the terms of service. I would say that's because its
users have a deep appreciation for the website and investment of the website
running smoothly. With a severe lack of any respectful communication, this does
not appear to be a two-way street.
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In Selling, mfav writes:
  Dear Russell,

I think you're trying your best to resolve this IP situation. I truly think
you think you are. I'm imagining you've been given a deadline and insufficient
resources. That's what I'm imagining.

However.

The message I'm hearing is that BrickLink is more concerned with not being
sued by some entity, and will do whatever it thinks is necessary regardless of
how the actions taken are perceived by the community.

BrickLink does not and will not provide clear specific direction as to what is
and is not allowable because that would take too long. However, BrickLink will
take time to poorly explain decisions after the fact when the consequences of
its actions are blowing up on the forum.

If BrickLink would take the time to inform Member X that his instructions will
be pulled because he mentions Brand Competitor in them, and suggest proactively
that Member X revise his instructions to not include a mention of Brand Competitor
in them, then he's welcome to offer his instructions in the store...that
would be a different story. In that instance you've defined the problem and
offered a solution. That would make me, as Member X, feel valued.

I've lost count for today how many members have expressed...dissatisfaction...with
the way their cases have been handled. It is going to be difficult to earn back
the member good will. It is going to be difficult to earn back the member trust.

Now, granted, it would take time to explain the situation to every seller who
has an item in violation of some fairly ambiguous rules, but it would avoid ill-will
being engendered throughout the community.

Explain to me, please, how the way BrickLink is going about this situation is
positively embracing the AFOL community.

Mark

I don't really see the issue here. People get angry when you remove something
they have created. We didn't have 6 months to personally contact every affected
member and explain the new policies to them. But even if we had done that, some
people would still have gotten angry and posted in the Forum. It was inevitable.

And contrary to your assessment, I think the BrickLink user sentiment is at an
all-time high right now. I have a lot of experience interacting with BrickLink
members, and my vision is not clouded by a few animated users in the Forum. If
I thought threads like this were destructive to our community, I would remove
them.

Regarding this IP issue, since I haven't stated this yet, I will. For years
we have had an undercurrent of dissatisfaction due to the non-enforcement of
IP rules. People complained mostly about the MOC shop and the Gallery, but there
were also legitimate complaints about listings as well. All of that "user input"
was essentially ignored.

Now BrickLink is finally getting it right and taking IP seriously. "Obeying local
laws" was in the TOS as long as I can remember, so these rules are really nothing
new. But we did try to define them better in the new TOS, and now they are being
enforced.

I think this is a big win for the community. We managed to separate out the things
that could get us into real legal trouble while still maintaining a custom items
section. One "solution" to this issue would have been to eliminate the entire
custom items option on BrickLink. Thankfully a different approach was taken,
one that should be sufficient to support the independent, creative nature of
the BrickLink community.
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In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:

  I don't really see the issue here.

On this much we agree. This is where I think the problem is. You don't see
the issue.

  People get angry when you remove something they have created.

Some people do, some people don't.

If you want to test the theory, I give you permission to remove all the images
I've supplied to the catalog. Let's see who gets angry.

  We didn't have 6 months to personally contact every affected
member and explain the new policies to them. But even if we had done that, some
people would still have gotten angry and posted in the Forum. It was inevitable.

So, because it was inevitable, you decided...that contacting the members wasn't
worth the bother? BrickLink could have been proactive. I mean, as you note below,
you had six years. Anyway, a few angry people in the forum appear to feel
they were blindsided. Maybe I'm misinterpreting that. It's possible.

  And contrary to your assessment, I think the BrickLink user sentiment is at an
all-time high right now.

I wasn't assessing the all-time BrickLink user sentiment. I was questioning
the quality of the approach BrickLink was taking towards this particular issue.
Also I disagree. I think the user sentiment was generally better prior to the
most-recently-previous-owner's ownership. But the user group you have now
is not the same user group you had six years ago, so that's a difficult one
to objectively assess.

  I have a lot of experience interacting with BrickLink
members, and my vision is not clouded by a few animated users in the Forum.

I'd agree with that point. Your vision does not appear to be informed, clouded,
or otherwise impacted by forum users animated or otherwise. And this is why we're
having this polite discourse now. Because I'm wondering why it isn't.
You've just dismissed the opinions of several of us outright. You're
telling the few of us animated users that we don't count. Well, good to know
where we stand.

  If I thought threads like this were destructive to our community, I would remove them.

Frankly, there are a number of threads in the community that could stand a little
more...moderation. And I don't mean censorship. I mean the heat could be
turned down from all sides. Some are lively. Others are unnecessarily vicious.
But we digress.

  Regarding this IP issue, since I haven't stated this yet, I will. For years
we have had an undercurrent of dissatisfaction due to the non-enforcement of
IP rules. People complained mostly about the MOC shop and the Gallery, but there
were also legitimate complaints about listings as well. All of that "user input"
was essentially ignored.

I don't understand an aspect of this. Please clarify. You're getting
(new) user input now, and instead of taking it seriously, you're dismissing
it (read: ignoring it) as being from a few animated users. Who clearly don't
count. For some reason. So, you're still ignoring user input? Right?
But user input from six years ago is suddenly relevant? But weren't they
the "few animated users" then? Will we few "now" animated users have our concerns
addressed in six years' time? How does BrickLink determine what is a legitimate
complaint and what is a non-legitimate complaint?

An aside on the topic of not being ignored: I was very excited to see between
8 and 14 simultaneous connections to my website from Irvine at 7:42 pm ET this
evening, going through all the comics, right after I posted the previous message.
That was special.

  Now BrickLink is finally getting it right and taking IP seriously. "Obeying local
laws" was in the TOS as long as I can remember, so these rules are really nothing
new. But we did try to define them better in the new TOS, and now they are being
enforced.

Better late than never? You're crowing that after six years you're finally
able to enforce your own terms of service? That is one undeniable accomplishment.
I want to apologize for the sarcasm, but I couldn't find a better way to
express whatever it is I want to express here.

  I think this is a big win for the community.

I'm not sure what "this" refers to in this sentence. The fact that after
six years BrickLink is finally enforcing rules that have "been in place for as
long as you can remember"? Please define how long you can remember so we have
an accurate description of that time period.

I'm not sure who's winning what. I'm pretty sure this is legal cover-my-ass
coming from corporate, and that's legitimate. Completely understandable and
legitimate. But winning?

  We managed to separate out the things that could get us into real legal trouble

Well, I commend you there. Or I commend whoever put the squeeze on you to do
it. And I really didn't and don't have issue with your doing it. I have
issue with HOW it was done.

  while still maintaining a custom items section.

I'll take your word on that. That there is a section. I have no idea what
was in it or what's in it now, and I don't really give a happy rat's
hat one way or another. It's my opinion that having a custom items section
that's censored for whatever reason is probably not going to be terribly
popular or worth the effort to maintain it, but, also not my worry, concern,
or care. I just feel that if it's censored, it's not embracing. It is
exclusive. Not inclusive.

  One "solution" to this issue would have been to eliminate the entire
custom items option on BrickLink.

I would argue that would have been a more elegant, legally safer, and unequivocally
unbiased option at start. Then when BrickLink figures out what can and can't
go into the custom section, with specific do's and don'ts and can's
and can'ts...and has the required six months to inform people...then a custom
section could be populated within the prescribed parameters. But prescribed parameters
are inherently exclusive.

You do get the gist of the argument, here, right? That BrickLink is being exclusive
of a particular faction of the community. I'm not arguing that it's right
or wrong. I'm suggesting it is contrary to the position statement that [some
entity] wants to establish deeper understanding and ties to the AFOL community.

I'm really struggling to understand how this new BrickLink is supposed to
work. The BrickLink community...those noisy few of us on the forum...often disagree.
And I'm certainly disagreeable. But I can embrace that each member is unique
and be reasonably respectful of an opposing opinion. What works for one person
doesn't have to work for another. Bricks can be assembled in a myriad of
ways.

But here, now, I'm getting a sense of "it's my way or the highway".
BrickLink used to be a place where people could share their love of Lego. It
now seems like people can share their love of Lego only if it doesn't impinge
on non-specific intellectual property rights, and only if it involves official
unadulterated Lego pieces, and only if we agree to terms set by the European
Union about our privacy, and corporate forbid we share how to build a thing,
and some other stuff. So, it's becoming a place of sharing ONLY with like-minded
folks who are willing to put up with rules they don't have any say in creating.
That's not a community. That's a cult.

  Thankfully a different approach was taken, one that should be
sufficient to support the independent, creative nature of
the BrickLink community.

I guess we'll see eventually, maybe.

Although we certainly have different perspectives on this issue, I really do
appreciate the time you've taken to respond.
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In Selling, mfav writes:

  But here, now, I'm getting a sense of "it's my way or the highway".
BrickLink used to be a place where people could share their love of Lego. It
now seems like people can share their love of Lego only if it doesn't impinge
on non-specific intellectual property rights, and only if it involves official
unadulterated Lego pieces, and only if we agree to terms set by the European
Union about our privacy, and corporate forbid we share how to build a thing,
and some other stuff. So, it's becoming a place of sharing ONLY with like-minded
folks who are willing to put up with rules they don't have any say in creating.
That's not a community. That's a cult.

I knew this was coming, and I really wonder why anyone, including you, would
have thought things would be any different after being acquired by an enormous
company like LEGO with huge legal teams who need to CYA everything and with huge
corporate structures that everything needs to run through. They may say they
want to eventually be more inclusive of the AFOL community, but we all know the
track record that LEGO has on this. LEGO Ideas, anybody? Did anyone really think
they would just be laissez-faire with everything here? And did anyone expect
BrickLink communication to get any better when it seems the same management team
at BrickLink HQ is still in place? If you answered 'yes' to either of
those questions, then I have a bridge to sell you. There is no point in berating
these issues, because none of us have any say in any of it anyhow. LEGO will
make this site what they want it to be. That's what having the big bucks
allows you to do.

Oh, and did I mention: The page cannot be displayed because an internal server
error has occurred.

Cheers,
Randy
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In Selling, randyf writes:
  In Selling, mfav writes:

That's what having the big bucks allows you to do.


Unfortunately it does....

Thank nature for my own mind, that is not yet property of a corp except my own.
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In Selling, AggieSava writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Can you please, then, explain the deletion of instructions from my shop that
were not under any IP of any kind, ever? You told me that several of my locomotive
designs might be under expired copyright, however I had completely original designs
in my shop, not based on any real locomotive or locomotive paint scheme, that
were also deleted.

*I* own that copyright.

There was no review, every locomotive instruction design in my shop was simply
wiped from existence.

--Tony

So, let me get this straight... Making a moc of a locomotive is IP infringement
because some company designed it? How can anyone make a moc of anything man-made
then, because someone makes everything.
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In Selling, LordSkylark writes:
  In Selling, AggieSava writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Can you please, then, explain the deletion of instructions from my shop that
were not under any IP of any kind, ever? You told me that several of my locomotive
designs might be under expired copyright, however I had completely original designs
in my shop, not based on any real locomotive or locomotive paint scheme, that
were also deleted.

*I* own that copyright.

There was no review, every locomotive instruction design in my shop was simply
wiped from existence.

--Tony

So, let me get this straight... Making a moc of a locomotive is IP infringement
because some company designed it? How can anyone make a moc of anything man-made
then, because someone makes everything.

If the trademark or branding is printed on the locomotive, then it's a clear
case of Intellectual Property. But in Tony's case, the items were actually
removed because they contained / mentioned non-LEGO brand parts.
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In Selling, LordSkylark writes:
  In Selling, AggieSava writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, SchmickBricks writes:
  Yes. This happened to me about 48 hours ago.
No explanation or warning other than "Appears to be fake".

In my case it was PDF instructions and a sticker sheet to build a MOC of my own
creation using genuine Lego parts. It violated no copyright or IP laws - It
was a model of a early 1940's train who IP rights by Australian law ran out
some 30 years ago.

We don't have the benefit of knowing which IP rights are still in place and
which ones aren't.

  I've have requested clarification of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" as
clause 5 and 6 state that:

I personally asked for clarification several times during the process in which
the new terms were written, and several times following. The LEGO Group has also
been crystal clear about IP issues in their public communication with the BrickLink
membership.

So the rules couldn't be clearer on this issue. Unless you obtain the right
to sell someone else's intellectual property, you may not list an item on
BrickLink that uses their property.

Can you please, then, explain the deletion of instructions from my shop that
were not under any IP of any kind, ever? You told me that several of my locomotive
designs might be under expired copyright, however I had completely original designs
in my shop, not based on any real locomotive or locomotive paint scheme, that
were also deleted.

*I* own that copyright.

There was no review, every locomotive instruction design in my shop was simply
wiped from existence.

--Tony

So, let me get this straight... Making a moc of a locomotive is IP infringement
because some company designed it? How can anyone make a moc of anything man-made
then, because someone makes everything.

My recollection, is that TLG has get permission from BNSF to make 10020 and the
various cars that went with it.

 
Set No: 10020  Name: Santa Fe Super Chief, NOT the Limited Edition
* 
10020-1 (Inv) Santa Fe Super Chief, NOT the Limited Edition
427 Parts, 2 Minifigs, 2002
Sets: Train: 9V

Nita Rae
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In Selling, cosmicray writes:
  In Selling, LordSkylark writes:

  
  So, let me get this straight... Making a moc of a locomotive is IP infringement
because some company designed it? How can anyone make a moc of anything man-made
then, because someone makes everything.

My recollection, is that TLG has get permission from BNSF to make 10020 and the
various cars that went with it.

 
Set No: 10020  Name: Santa Fe Super Chief, NOT the Limited Edition
* 
10020-1 (Inv) Santa Fe Super Chief, NOT the Limited Edition
427 Parts, 2 Minifigs, 2002
Sets: Train: 9V

Nita Rae

They sure did, and they get permission for every one the IPs they use in their
models, including everything listed on this page:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogPromo.asp
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How can anyone make a moc of anything man-made
  then, because someone makes everything.

But it isn't just those silly man-made items. It is also geographic locations,
historical monuments, common everyday items and everything in between!
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In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  I have sold custom sets for sale here for many years.

Now all my sets have been deleted. For the false reason 'items appear to
be fake.'

They were never marketed or listed as a lego-created set, they were always listed
as a custom set designed by me.

Lot of time and effort blown away for an incorrect reason.

Thanks so much, Bricklink and LEGO. Not even any contact to me asking about
them, or anything. Real good show.

The custom sets were removed for IP violation. Halo, Star Trek, Neo-Blacktron.
These all break the rule as stated here:

Custom Sets: Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they
do not infringe on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO
Group.

We did contact stores with the most issues first and gave them a week's
notice to remove their items. Right now we are screening the entire custom items
section, lot by lot, to remove any remaining problem lots. We don't have
time or resources to communicate manually with every remaining seller, so at
this point the automessage will have to suffice. Sorry we don't have a dropdown
reason yet for "IP violation".
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In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  I have sold custom sets for sale here for many years.

Now all my sets have been deleted. For the false reason 'items appear to
be fake.'

They were never marketed or listed as a lego-created set, they were always listed
as a custom set designed by me.

Lot of time and effort blown away for an incorrect reason.

Thanks so much, Bricklink and LEGO. Not even any contact to me asking about
them, or anything. Real good show.

The custom sets were removed for IP violation. Halo, Star Trek, Neo-Blacktron.
These all break the rule as stated here:

Custom Sets: Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they
do not infringe on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO
Group.

We did contact stores with the most issues first and gave them a week's
notice to remove their items. Right now we are screening the entire custom items
section, lot by lot, to remove any remaining problem lots. We don't have
time or resources to communicate manually with every remaining seller, so at
this point the automessage will have to suffice. Sorry we don't have a dropdown
reason yet for "IP violation".
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My listing was my MOC and stickers for a model of an early 1940's Australian
train for which any copyright (by Australian law) expired some 30 years ago.
Can you please clarify why this was removed?





In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  I have sold custom sets for sale here for many years.

Now all my sets have been deleted. For the false reason 'items appear to
be fake.'

They were never marketed or listed as a lego-created set, they were always listed
as a custom set designed by me.

Lot of time and effort blown away for an incorrect reason.

Thanks so much, Bricklink and LEGO. Not even any contact to me asking about
them, or anything. Real good show.

The custom sets were removed for IP violation. Halo, Star Trek, Neo-Blacktron.
These all break the rule as stated here:

Custom Sets: Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they
do not infringe on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO
Group.

We did contact stores with the most issues first and gave them a week's
notice to remove their items. Right now we are screening the entire custom items
section, lot by lot, to remove any remaining problem lots. We don't have
time or resources to communicate manually with every remaining seller, so at
this point the automessage will have to suffice. Sorry we don't have a dropdown
reason yet for "IP violation".
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Dear Russell,

This whole thread is really sad.

While I'm sure you will prevail in legal court, you're not necessarily
winning in the court of public opinion.

If you don't have the proper resources to deal with this or any other situation
in a consistent, respectful, and considerate manner, then you should eliminate
the point of contention altogether and at once. If you declare that there will
be no custom lots and no MOCs and no modified parts of any sort, then you don't
have to police it and spend time on it. You can then move on to something else.

At some point in the future if you do have the resources to police such things
as custom whatnots, and put a set of criteria in place to manage that, and can
effectively process submissions, great. Otherwise you probably ought to rip the
band-aid off and get the monkey off your back.

There's a PR blunder every week, and this is one of them. This thread is
one shining example of not positively engaging with the AFOL community.

The defense of your actions here may be in line with the "new rules" but it's
not going to gain you much support with the membership.

I know you're between a rock and a hard place and are trying to fix the car
with the engine running, but in all seriousness, you really need to find a...better
way...to handle these transition things. A way that doesn't inflame the membership
and result in bad word of mouth for Bricklink.

I hope you find something that you can spin positive, and soon.

OH AND ONCE AGAIN: The page cannot be displayed because an internal server error
has occurred.
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In Selling, mfav writes:
  Dear Russell,

This whole thread is really sad.

While I'm sure you will prevail in legal court, you're not necessarily
winning in the court of public opinion.

If you don't have the proper resources to deal with this or any other situation
in a consistent, respectful, and considerate manner, then you should eliminate
the point of contention altogether and at once. If you declare that there will
be no custom lots and no MOCs and no modified parts of any sort, then you don't
have to police it and spend time on it. You can then move on to something else.

At some point in the future if you do have the resources to police such things
as custom whatnots, and put a set of criteria in place to manage that, and can
effectively process submissions, great. Otherwise you probably ought to rip the
band-aid off and get the monkey off your back.

There's a PR blunder every week, and this is one of them. This thread is
one shining example of not positively engaging with the AFOL community.

The defense of your actions here may be in line with the "new rules" but it's
not going to gain you much support with the membership.

I know you're between a rock and a hard place and are trying to fix the car
with the engine running, but in all seriousness, you really need to find a...better
way...to handle these transition things. A way that doesn't inflame the membership
and result in bad word of mouth for Bricklink.

I hope you find something that you can spin positive, and soon.

OH AND ONCE AGAIN: The page cannot be displayed because an internal server error
has occurred.

Sorry Mark cannot add my agreement as the page cannot be displayed. Is there
an allergy to fixing these bugs or something - it is enough to drive me crazy
(as if I wasn't already there)
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In Selling, calsbricks writes:
  In Selling, mfav writes:
  Dear Russell,

This whole thread is really sad.

While I'm sure you will prevail in legal court, you're not necessarily
winning in the court of public opinion.

If you don't have the proper resources to deal with this or any other situation
in a consistent, respectful, and considerate manner, then you should eliminate
the point of contention altogether and at once. If you declare that there will
be no custom lots and no MOCs and no modified parts of any sort, then you don't
have to police it and spend time on it. You can then move on to something else.

At some point in the future if you do have the resources to police such things
as custom whatnots, and put a set of criteria in place to manage that, and can
effectively process submissions, great. Otherwise you probably ought to rip the
band-aid off and get the monkey off your back.

There's a PR blunder every week, and this is one of them. This thread is
one shining example of not positively engaging with the AFOL community.

The defense of your actions here may be in line with the "new rules" but it's
not going to gain you much support with the membership.

I know you're between a rock and a hard place and are trying to fix the car
with the engine running, but in all seriousness, you really need to find a...better
way...to handle these transition things. A way that doesn't inflame the membership
and result in bad word of mouth for Bricklink.

I hope you find something that you can spin positive, and soon.

OH AND ONCE AGAIN: The page cannot be displayed because an internal server error
has occurred.

Sorry Mark cannot add my agreement as the page cannot be displayed. Is there
an allergy to fixing these bugs or something - it is enough to drive me crazy
(as if I wasn't already there)

Things are so much better now that Bricklink is part of TLG. The future looks
so bright.
John P
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In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  I have sold custom sets for sale here for many years.

Now all my sets have been deleted. For the false reason 'items appear to
be fake.'

They were never marketed or listed as a lego-created set, they were always listed
as a custom set designed by me.

Lot of time and effort blown away for an incorrect reason.

Thanks so much, Bricklink and LEGO. Not even any contact to me asking about
them, or anything. Real good show.

The custom sets were removed for IP violation. Halo, Star Trek, Neo-Blacktron.
These all break the rule as stated here:

Custom Sets: Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they
do not infringe on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO
Group.

We did contact stores with the most issues first and gave them a week's
notice to remove their items. Right now we are screening the entire custom items
section, lot by lot, to remove any remaining problem lots. We don't have
time or resources to communicate manually with every remaining seller, so at
this point the automessage will have to suffice. Sorry we don't have a dropdown
reason yet for "IP violation".

Does that mean you could make a set that looks like Blacktron and not call it
Blacktron and it is ok? Or make a set that looks like an Emterprise shuttle
and not call it Star Trek and that is ok?

Why is this even an issue. Why should Lego care if you sell something like a
Blacktron. If the members here are part of Bricklink and Bricklink is part of
TLG.....what is the use? Why waste key-strokes?
John P
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In Selling, legoman77 writes:
  In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  I have sold custom sets for sale here for many years.

Now all my sets have been deleted. For the false reason 'items appear to
be fake.'

They were never marketed or listed as a lego-created set, they were always listed
as a custom set designed by me.

Lot of time and effort blown away for an incorrect reason.

Thanks so much, Bricklink and LEGO. Not even any contact to me asking about
them, or anything. Real good show.

The custom sets were removed for IP violation. Halo, Star Trek, Neo-Blacktron.
These all break the rule as stated here:

Custom Sets: Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they
do not infringe on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO
Group.

We did contact stores with the most issues first and gave them a week's
notice to remove their items. Right now we are screening the entire custom items
section, lot by lot, to remove any remaining problem lots. We don't have
time or resources to communicate manually with every remaining seller, so at
this point the automessage will have to suffice. Sorry we don't have a dropdown
reason yet for "IP violation".

Does that mean you could make a set that looks like Blacktron and not call it
Blacktron and it is ok? Or make a set that looks like an Emterprise shuttle
and not call it Star Trek and that is ok?

Why is this even an issue. Why should Lego care if you sell something like a
Blacktron. If the members here are part of Bricklink and Bricklink is part of
TLG.....what is the use? Why waste key-strokes?
John P


Russell -- Can you clarify for us? When LEGO meant that someone was not allowed
to make MOCs of Bricklink's IP, I cannot help but wonder if they meant things
such as "Star Wars", "Disney" , etc. Does LEGO honestly think that a LEGO buyer
making a Blacktron set is actually IP infringement? Do they also consider a new
"Imperial Soldier" set to be IP infringement? Because I could completely understand
if it was something like Star Wars, but I'm really struggling to think that
LEGO would honestly have a problem with someone making a Blacktron set... And
if so... That seems overly paranoid and at the point of tyranny. Someone may
have the right to do something, but that doesn't mean it's the right
thing to do.

(Note - This is not directly at you, Russell, by any means. I understand that
you are hired by the company. And I understand that you are in a very difficult
place between your own personal sentiments with the LEGO hobby and being an employee.)
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In Selling, LordSkylark writes:

  Russell -- Can you clarify for us? When LEGO meant that someone was not allowed
to make MOCs of Bricklink's IP, I cannot help but wonder if they meant things
such as "Star Wars", "Disney" , etc. Does LEGO honestly think that a LEGO buyer
making a Blacktron set is actually IP infringement? Do they also consider a new
"Imperial Soldier" set to be IP infringement? Because I could completely understand
if it was something like Star Wars, but I'm really struggling to think that
LEGO would honestly have a problem with someone making a Blacktron set... And
if so... That seems overly paranoid and at the point of tyranny. Someone may
have the right to do something, but that doesn't mean it's the right
thing to do.

Using the Blacktron name, or any official set name and/or number or other identifier,
including an image, is indeed considered IP infringement, because the LEGO IP
is being used in these cases to attract buyers to the listing. In effect, such
listings are "piggy-backing" off the commercial success and branding strength
of the LEGO Group.

Directly from the Seller Terms of Service:

https://www.bricklink.com/v3/terms_of_service_seller.page

"Custom Sets: Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they
do not infringe on any intellectual property rights, including those of the
LEGO Group.
"

And to clarify a further point (and this is what a lot of people are missing),
we are not preventing anyone from building, displaying, or enjoying IP-related
MOCs. What we are stopping is the SALE of such items on BrickLink.
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I have just spent the past twenty minutes reading through this. I clearly understand
both sides of this.
However this has caused me to become quite angry and I feel this needs said.
IP is everywhere and I get that TLG is trying to uphold what it has just fought
so hard for in courts. However the general input I'm reading and hearing
from the Community is this: You are alienating us!
For the last two years I have been involved with AFOL public shows. I know people
from all over the globe. Everyone is all saying the same thing ... My store
was deleted ... My items removed. And on the Buyer side of things there is a
panic of people trying to desperately contact the people that have been involved
in at least the Train Fan Community since 2008. I can name you twenty stores
that closed recently that train fans held as a staple of the community. Is this
the goal of TLG? To Alienate an entire community? Sure we may be a niche market
but how many are willing to purchase the way we do? Our trains run in the thousands
of pieces. Ballasting track runs in the millions of pieces and I can rattle
off a list of 100 names from the top of my head. Give me time and that list
grows longer.

I for one do not agree with the decisions being made. The interlocking brick
system was not created to be a monopoly ... The original creator encouraged people
to build off the design. The original goal was to be the best ... Not the only.
Or have we lost sight of that? The AFOL community builds things they know,..
they build things they love... I'm talking trains, cars, planes, building's,
space ships, tall ships, etc. They are all based off something we have seen
or liked or would like to see. What your effectively doing is telling the community
you can't anymore those days are over.
If deadline's were set perhaps it's time to rethink those deadline's,
perhaps it's time to re-evaluate the process before the whole community is
so upset with the whole process that they abandon the site all together.
Food for thought.
-Trevor
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Trevor, you deserve a statue.

Thank you for compiling the thoughts of many in these few lines.

@Lego: read, feel and act upon it!
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I want to thank you Trevor, for your powerful post. Reading your lines really
moved me.
Tony


In Selling, Roadmonkey writes:
  I have just spent the past twenty minutes reading through this. I clearly understand
both sides of this.
However this has caused me to become quite angry and I feel this needs said.
IP is everywhere and I get that TLG is trying to uphold what it has just fought
so hard for in courts. However the general input I'm reading and hearing
from the Community is this: You are alienating us!
For the last two years I have been involved with AFOL public shows. I know people
from all over the globe. Everyone is all saying the same thing ... My store
was deleted ... My items removed. And on the Buyer side of things there is a
panic of people trying to desperately contact the people that have been involved
in at least the Train Fan Community since 2008. I can name you twenty stores
that closed recently that train fans held as a staple of the community. Is this
the goal of TLG? To Alienate an entire community? Sure we may be a niche market
but how many are willing to purchase the way we do? Our trains run in the thousands
of pieces. Ballasting track runs in the millions of pieces and I can rattle
off a list of 100 names from the top of my head. Give me time and that list
grows longer.

I for one do not agree with the decisions being made. The interlocking brick
system was not created to be a monopoly ... The original creator encouraged people
to build off the design. The original goal was to be the best ... Not the only.
Or have we lost sight of that? The AFOL community builds things they know,..
they build things they love... I'm talking trains, cars, planes, building's,
space ships, tall ships, etc. They are all based off something we have seen
or liked or would like to see. What your effectively doing is telling the community
you can't anymore those days are over.
If deadline's were set perhaps it's time to rethink those deadline's,
perhaps it's time to re-evaluate the process before the whole community is
so upset with the whole process that they abandon the site all together.
Food for thought.
-Trevor
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In Selling, Roadmonkey writes:
  I have just spent the past twenty minutes reading through this. I clearly understand
both sides of this.
However this has caused me to become quite angry and I feel this needs said.
IP is everywhere and I get that TLG is trying to uphold what it has just fought
so hard for in courts. However the general input I'm reading and hearing
from the Community is this: You are alienating us!
For the last two years I have been involved with AFOL public shows. I know people
from all over the globe. Everyone is all saying the same thing ... My store
was deleted ... My items removed. And on the Buyer side of things there is a
panic of people trying to desperately contact the people that have been involved
in at least the Train Fan Community since 2008. I can name you twenty stores
that closed recently that train fans held as a staple of the community. Is this
the goal of TLG? To Alienate an entire community? Sure we may be a niche market
but how many are willing to purchase the way we do? Our trains run in the thousands
of pieces. Ballasting track runs in the millions of pieces and I can rattle
off a list of 100 names from the top of my head. Give me time and that list
grows longer.

I for one do not agree with the decisions being made. The interlocking brick
system was not created to be a monopoly ... The original creator encouraged people
to build off the design. The original goal was to be the best ... Not the only.
Or have we lost sight of that? The AFOL community builds things they know,..
they build things they love... I'm talking trains, cars, planes, building's,
space ships, tall ships, etc. They are all based off something we have seen
or liked or would like to see. What your effectively doing is telling the community
you can't anymore those days are over.
If deadline's were set perhaps it's time to rethink those deadline's,
perhaps it's time to re-evaluate the process before the whole community is
so upset with the whole process that they abandon the site all together.
Food for thought.
-Trevor


Could not have been worded any better, fully agree. One thing to consider: There
is always a legal framework and there is a way how it is being interpreted and
applied. The former cannot be changed so easily, but the latter has a lot to
do with who interprets and applies it. BL may need a trained professional PR
manager to handle such transitions.
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In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  I have sold custom sets for sale here for many years.

Now all my sets have been deleted. For the false reason 'items appear to
be fake.'

They were never marketed or listed as a lego-created set, they were always listed
as a custom set designed by me.

Lot of time and effort blown away for an incorrect reason.

Thanks so much, Bricklink and LEGO. Not even any contact to me asking about
them, or anything. Real good show.



It is clear from all this that it needs an independent platform for custom stuff
and MOC instructions. Hopefully someone will come up with this in due course.
It is very tedious to track down individual sellers of such things.
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In Selling, manganschlamm writes:
  In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  I have sold custom sets for sale here for many years.

Now all my sets have been deleted. For the false reason 'items appear to
be fake.'

They were never marketed or listed as a lego-created set, they were always listed
as a custom set designed by me.

Lot of time and effort blown away for an incorrect reason.

Thanks so much, Bricklink and LEGO. Not even any contact to me asking about
them, or anything. Real good show.



It is clear from all this that it needs an independent platform for custom stuff
and MOC instructions. Hopefully someone will come up with this in due course.
It is very tedious to track down individual sellers of such things.

+1
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In Selling, manganschlamm writes:
  In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  I have sold custom sets for sale here for many years.

Now all my sets have been deleted. For the false reason 'items appear to
be fake.'

They were never marketed or listed as a lego-created set, they were always listed
as a custom set designed by me.

Lot of time and effort blown away for an incorrect reason.

Thanks so much, Bricklink and LEGO. Not even any contact to me asking about
them, or anything. Real good show.



It is clear from all this that it needs an independent platform for custom stuff
and MOC instructions. Hopefully someone will come up with this in due course.
It is very tedious to track down individual sellers of such things.

It’s there already: rebrickable. It also has a flawless buying option for BL
and BO and you can turn your MOC into a wanted list with one click.
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What about the MOCshop? Still part of bricklink, but does that work for listing
and selling custom sets? Not been on there much, so don't really know how
well it works.

Miles (C0lsanders_)



In Selling, manganschlamm writes:
  In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  I have sold custom sets for sale here for many years.

Now all my sets have been deleted. For the false reason 'items appear to
be fake.'

They were never marketed or listed as a lego-created set, they were always listed
as a custom set designed by me.

Lot of time and effort blown away for an incorrect reason.

Thanks so much, Bricklink and LEGO. Not even any contact to me asking about
them, or anything. Real good show.



It is clear from all this that it needs an independent platform for custom stuff
and MOC instructions. Hopefully someone will come up with this in due course.
It is very tedious to track down individual sellers of such things.
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In Selling, C0lsanders_ writes:
  What about the MOCshop? Still part of bricklink, but does that work for listing
and selling custom sets? Not been on there much, so don't really know how
well it works.

No one has been there much, that’s the problem with the MOCShop

Anyway, the same rules should apply everywhere on BL.
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In Selling, manganschlamm writes:
  In Selling, lmeyer writes:
  I have sold custom sets for sale here for many years.

Now all my sets have been deleted. For the false reason 'items appear to
be fake.'

They were never marketed or listed as a lego-created set, they were always listed
as a custom set designed by me.

Lot of time and effort blown away for an incorrect reason.

Thanks so much, Bricklink and LEGO. Not even any contact to me asking about
them, or anything. Real good show.



It is clear from all this that it needs an independent platform for custom stuff
and MOC instructions. Hopefully someone will come up with this in due course.
It is very tedious to track down individual sellers of such things.

That's what rebrickable is for, and it allows you to buy on BrickLink as
well as other competitors. I don't think BrickLink needs to be like rebrickable,
and it is obvious that LEGO is very intent on making sure it does not get sued
in any way through the acquisition of this platform. Russell may be on the front
lines doing the grunt work, but there is definitely a team of legal people behind
the scenes pulling the strings.

Cheers,
Randy