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 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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We are finally making serious headway with the catalog backlog. The catalog
change requests queue is cleared out.

In the spirit of trying to ensure that the Catalog Roadmap is not just something
to look at, I am continuing with the goal of moving through one project each
month. We have essentially had a January project (flesh to nougat) and there
is a new project starting today for February:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

What is this project?

This project involves accurately describing the differences between early (old)
versions of an item and later (new) versions. We need this for two reasons:

1. Using the words "old" and "new" were easy ways to avoid having to describe
actual differences between items. Set numbers in minifigure titles performed
the same function, which is why they were removed.

2. When a third version of an item appears, the old/new descriptors are useless.
Similar items should be described by their differences (usually the way in which
the later version is different from the earlier version).

There are around 500-1000 items expected to be affected by this project.

How can members contribute?

For the immediate moment, members may contribute by submitting title change requests.
I'm not sure how we're going to do item numbers yet, so hold off on
those. If you're not confident that you know exactly what this project entails
or need clarification on a specific issue, then please ask before submitting
a request.

For the immediate moment, ignore the additional topic bundled with this project
(looking at the use of with/without in titles). We may be able to include that,
or it may need to be made its own project. This project should also look at
the use of early/later descriptors since they serve the same function as the
terms old/new.

The goal is to wrap this up by the end of February. Of course, we also have
catalog work still to do and that takes precedence over projects - so this may
run over schedule.
 Author: jennnifer View Messages Posted By jennnifer
 Posted: Feb 7, 2020 15:10
 Subject: Re: February Roadmap Project: Old and New
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Sure! I'll play along...

I am not convinced that 90460 is really a new version of 6131.

 
Part No: 90460  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch, Slightly Textured
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90460 Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch, Slightly Textured
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear {Black}
 
Part No: 6131  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch
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6131 Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear {Dark Bluish Gray}

They look the same and LEGO uses the same thumbnail image for both. The small
image in Dark Green that I submitted for 90460 was back in the days before I
knew what I was doing. I cannot confirm the part number or what set it was from.
(I guess we all start somewhere!)

Anyway, I would like to see convincing side by side proof that they are significantly
different even if they have different mold numbers. I have not found any molded
with 90460. My Witch from Series 2 has been played with so I cannot confirm it
there either.

I am open to hearing any ideas or missing information about this!
Thanks,
Jen
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
 Posted: Feb 7, 2020 15:42
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In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  Sure! I'll play along...

I am not convinced that 90460 is really a new version of 6131.

 
Part No: 90460  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch, Slightly Textured
* 
90460 Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch, Slightly Textured
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear {Black}
 
Part No: 6131  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch
* 
6131 Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear {Dark Bluish Gray}

They look the same and LEGO uses the same thumbnail image for both. The small
image in Dark Green that I submitted for 90460 was back in the days before I
knew what I was doing. I cannot confirm the part number or what set it was from.
(I guess we all start somewhere!)

Anyway, I would like to see convincing side by side proof that they are significantly
different even if they have different mold numbers. I have not found any molded
with 90460. My Witch from Series 2 has been played with so I cannot confirm it
there either.

I am open to hearing any ideas or missing information about this!

I've got a question, Jen...

When are you going to arrive at the same conclusion that StormChaser already
has, that the BL catalog needs those like you (passion for, and knowledge of
the catalog process) and rejoin the team?

It is abundantly clear, that like Robert, you care and are impassioned about
BrickLink's catalog construction.

Consider with those already in place, and you (maybe a few others I can think
of) it would be the makings of a BL Catalog Dream Team.
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Feb 7, 2020 15:45
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In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  Sure! I'll play along...

I am not convinced that 90460 is really a new version of 6131.

I don't know which number to ascribe to which hat, but there are hat differences.
http://v4ei.com/brickref/wizard-hats.php
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Feb 7, 2020 17:05
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On further inspection, I find I have four variants.

Page updated.

http://v4ei.com/brickref/wizard-hats.php
 Author: dcarmine View Messages Posted By dcarmine
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In Catalog, mfav writes:
  On further inspection, I find I have four variants.

Page updated.

http://v4ei.com/brickref/wizard-hats.php

According to the new standard for "difference types" the difference has to be
related to the way a part functions, not just cosmetic differences. So with
that rule, there would be only one entry for this hat.

I don't know if that rule applies to minifig categories, but I guess it depends
on how far down the "collector's details" rabbit hole you want to go. .

I have about 98% of the Harry Potter sets if you want to use that for year of
change or verification on that hat. I'm willing to look at them and report
what I find.

HTH
Donna
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Feb 7, 2020 21:10
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In Catalog, dcarmine writes:
  I have about 98% of the Harry Potter sets if you want to use that for year of
change or verification on that hat. I'm willing to look at them and report
what I find.

I'm content to let the mad geniuses of catalog control sort out the catalog.
I'm just documenting the differences I can find in the handful of hats I
have.

Regardless of whatever else, the presence of the prong on some hats and the absence
on others I would think constitutes a different mold, and the supercollectors
may want to note the differences. But, again, I'm content to let the catmins
sort all that out.

If you want to get really crazy, the undersides of the brims also exhibit differences
under the magnifying glass. Some are smooth, some have a pebbled inner and outer
ring, some have an inner ring with parallel striations instead of pebbling, a
couple have a narrow band of striations in an otherwise smooth inner ring. The
subtleties are kind of endless.

For whatever it's worth, though, mine are:
Black 90460: fine pebbling overall
Black: smooth cone, pebbled brim, with prong,
Black: slightly pebbled cone, pebbled brim, with prong,
Blue, Purple, Green: slightly pebbled cone, definitely pebbled brim, with prong
Dark Green, Dark Green with dragon decoration: definitely pebbled cone and brim,
no prong
Tan: slightly pebbled cone, definitely pebbled brim, no prong
Light Purple: cone too beat up to tell if it's smooth or slightly pebbled,
definitely pebbled brim, with prong
The dark green ones and the 90460 are pretty much pristine; the others are old
and worn. Your mileage may vary.

My sample size is small, so additional data is probably warranted if the admins
want to try to make sense of it.

I just updated the hats page with closeups. Don't know if you saw that version
or the earlier no-closeups version.

My opinion otherwise though is that using renders instead of photographs for
the parts is misleading for the collector.

Did I mention: The page cannot be displayed because an internal server error
has occurred.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
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In Catalog, dcarmine writes:
  According to the new standard for "difference types" the difference has to be
related to the way a part functions, not just cosmetic differences. So with
that rule, there would be only one entry for this hat.

I think there you are talking about run change things. Minor adjustments to
a mold to use less plastic or something that don't change its function at
all don't make "a difference". But a change of design on a hat makes it
a new hat.
 Author: dcarmine View Messages Posted By dcarmine
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In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, dcarmine writes:
  According to the new standard for "difference types" the difference has to be
related to the way a part functions, not just cosmetic differences. So with
that rule, there would be only one entry for this hat.

I think there you are talking about run change things. Minor adjustments to
a mold to use less plastic or something that don't change its function at
all don't make "a difference". But a change of design on a hat makes it
a new hat.

Ok good to know.
Donna
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
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Minifig No: nba002  Name: NBA Jason Kidd, New Jersey Nets #5
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nba002 (Inv) NBA Jason Kidd, New Jersey Nets #5
Minifigs: Sports: Basketball

So like we would change this to "NBA Jason Kidd, Dark Blue Jersey Nets #5", right?

 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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I suggest adding names and titles that have "Type 1", "Type 2", etc. in them
to the project. Those terms are useless.

Cheers,
Randy

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  We are finally making serious headway with the catalog backlog. The catalog
change requests queue is cleared out.

In the spirit of trying to ensure that the Catalog Roadmap is not just something
to look at, I am continuing with the goal of moving through one project each
month. We have essentially had a January project (flesh to nougat) and there
is a new project starting today for February:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

What is this project?

This project involves accurately describing the differences between early (old)
versions of an item and later (new) versions. We need this for two reasons:

1. Using the words "old" and "new" were easy ways to avoid having to describe
actual differences between items. Set numbers in minifigure titles performed
the same function, which is why they were removed.

2. When a third version of an item appears, the old/new descriptors are useless.
Similar items should be described by their differences (usually the way in which
the later version is different from the earlier version).

There are around 500-1000 items expected to be affected by this project.

How can members contribute?

For the immediate moment, members may contribute by submitting title change requests.
I'm not sure how we're going to do item numbers yet, so hold off on
those. If you're not confident that you know exactly what this project entails
or need clarification on a specific issue, then please ask before submitting
a request.

For the immediate moment, ignore the additional topic bundled with this project
(looking at the use of with/without in titles). We may be able to include that,
or it may need to be made its own project. This project should also look at
the use of early/later descriptors since they serve the same function as the
terms old/new.

The goal is to wrap this up by the end of February. Of course, we also have
catalog work still to do and that takes precedence over projects - so this may
run over schedule.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
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I reformatted a BUNCH of road signs with type 1 and type 2 bases. They should
perhaps be (xxxx / xxxx) like tire combinations?

In Catalog, randyf writes:
  I suggest adding names and titles that have "Type 1", "Type 2", etc. in them
to the project. Those terms are useless.

Cheers,
Randy

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  We are finally making serious headway with the catalog backlog. The catalog
change requests queue is cleared out.

In the spirit of trying to ensure that the Catalog Roadmap is not just something
to look at, I am continuing with the goal of moving through one project each
month. We have essentially had a January project (flesh to nougat) and there
is a new project starting today for February:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

What is this project?

This project involves accurately describing the differences between early (old)
versions of an item and later (new) versions. We need this for two reasons:

1. Using the words "old" and "new" were easy ways to avoid having to describe
actual differences between items. Set numbers in minifigure titles performed
the same function, which is why they were removed.

2. When a third version of an item appears, the old/new descriptors are useless.
Similar items should be described by their differences (usually the way in which
the later version is different from the earlier version).

There are around 500-1000 items expected to be affected by this project.

How can members contribute?

For the immediate moment, members may contribute by submitting title change requests.
I'm not sure how we're going to do item numbers yet, so hold off on
those. If you're not confident that you know exactly what this project entails
or need clarification on a specific issue, then please ask before submitting
a request.

For the immediate moment, ignore the additional topic bundled with this project
(looking at the use of with/without in titles). We may be able to include that,
or it may need to be made its own project. This project should also look at
the use of early/later descriptors since they serve the same function as the
terms old/new.

The goal is to wrap this up by the end of February. Of course, we also have
catalog work still to do and that takes precedence over projects - so this may
run over schedule.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  I suggest adding names and titles that have "Type 1", "Type 2", etc. in them
to the project. Those terms are useless.

I completely agree.

 
Part No: 4150pb063  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 1 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7691
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4150pb063 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 1 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7691
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated {Black}
 
Part No: 4150pb072  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 2 Pattern (Sticker)
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4150pb072 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 2 Pattern (Sticker)
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated {Black}
 
Part No: 4150pb101  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 3 Pattern (Sticker)
* 
4150pb101 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 3 Pattern (Sticker)
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated {Black}
 
Part No: 4150pb102  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 4 Pattern (Sticker)
* 
4150pb102 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 4 Pattern (Sticker)
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated {Black}
 
Part No: 4150pb103  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 5 Pattern (Sticker)
* 
4150pb103 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 5 Pattern (Sticker)
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated {Black}
 
Part No: 4150pb188  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 6 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7692
* 
4150pb188 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 6 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7692
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated {Black}
 
Part No: 4150pb189  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 7 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7692
* 
4150pb189 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 7 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7692
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated {Black}
 
Part No: 4150pb190  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 8 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7697
* 
4150pb190 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 8 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7697
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated {Black}

But I also know from experience that bundling too many things in together is
not conducive to finishing things. So I may make this a separate project. One
way or the other, it is needed.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
   I'm not sure how we're going to do item numbers yet, so hold off on
those.

Okay, so we won't be changing item numbers at the moment. I have added that
portion of the project to the Catalog Roadmap (currently item 30):

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

We also will not address Type 1/Type 2 items with this project. That has been
added as a separate project.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In the spirit of trying to ensure that the Catalog Roadmap is not just something
to look at, I am continuing with the goal of moving through one project each
month.

  The goal is to wrap this up by the end of February.

This project has been completed:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

For the last two weeks of the month I'm going to focus on the three projects
still in progress. Around the beginning of March we'll start something new.
 Author: StarBrick View Messages Posted By StarBrick
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  
This project has been completed:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

For the last two weeks of the month I'm going to focus on the three projects
still in progress. Around the beginning of March we'll start something new.

Thanks for the update. Steady going forward.