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| | | Author: | axaday  | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2020 16:56 | | Subject: | 3626cpb1788 Will Still Say Flesh | | Viewed: | 128 times | | Topic: | Colors | | Status: | Open | |
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* | | 3626cpb1788 Minifigure, Head Dual Sided Alien Black Moustache, Skeleton with Lavender Eye Showing through Torn Skin Left, Angry / Scared Pattern - Hollow Stud
Parts: Minifigure, Head |
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2020 17:13 | | Subject: | Re: 3626cpb1788 Will Still Say Flesh | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, axaday writes:
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* | | 3626cpb1788 Minifigure, Head Dual Sided Alien Black Moustache, Skeleton with Lavender Eye Showing through Torn Skin Left, Angry / Scared Pattern - Hollow Stud
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You have exposed an ongoing problem with using a title-based system: widespread
inconsistencies in the use of search terms. Skin is the catalog standard term
for this type of pattern:
Here is the problem restated. What is essentially the same thing (a telephone)
is described in the catalog as:
[P=3069bpb545]
[P=3069bpb698]
You might use one of the search terms (phone, telephone, smartphone) and think
you've found all the items. Wrong. That is why title standardization is
incredibly important for a title-based system like BrickLink has now.
I'm working on improving search terms used in titles as we speak.
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| | | | | | | Author: | ratas | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2020 18:59 | | Subject: | Re: 3626cpb1788 Will Still Say Flesh | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, StormChaser writes:
| | In Colors, axaday writes:
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* | | 3626cpb1788 Minifigure, Head Dual Sided Alien Black Moustache, Skeleton with Lavender Eye Showing through Torn Skin Left, Angry / Scared Pattern - Hollow Stud
Parts: Minifigure, Head |
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You have exposed an ongoing problem with using a title-based system: widespread
inconsistencies in the use of search terms. Skin is the catalog standard term
for this type of pattern:
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Hmm.. not knowing what that "abilisk" means, or even fully understand that
title, but I do recognize there is a difference between "skin" and "flesh". (As
in "scratches on skin" vs. "flesh wound"). The head definitely has torn more
than just skin (as it shows bone). Since it does not refer to color in this case,
I'd think using word "flesh" is the most correct one. In the latter, if the
texture showing from the rip is the surface of skin (and not flesh through the
skin), then "skin" is the correct word for that case.
| | Here is the problem restated. What is essentially the same thing (a telephone)
is described in the catalog as:
[P=3069bpb545]
[P=3069bpb698]
You might use one of the search terms (phone, telephone, smartphone) and think
you've found all the items. Wrong. That is why title standardization is
incredibly important for a title-based system like BrickLink has now.
I'm working on improving search terms used in titles as we speak.
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While having consistent titles, even more important is having good search index
with support for synonyms. No matter which word is entered for phone/telephone/smartphone/3310
(okay, last one is a weapon of mass destruction), a good search system will return
(at least) all the 3 items.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | ratas | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2020 19:12 | | Subject: | Re: 3626cpb1788 Will Still Say Flesh | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, ratas writes:
| | While having consistent titles, even more important is having good search index
with support for synonyms. No matter which word is entered for phone/telephone/smartphone/3310
(okay, last one is a weapon of mass destruction), a good search system will return
(at least) all the 3 items.
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Even better would be to have shorter titles (as long as there is no danger of
"collision" with another item). The current titles are often closer to "description"
than title. Title does not need to describe the item exactly, only enough to
differentiate it from anything else. (In some webshops even title/name collisions
can be ok, but I don't think it would be useful here in BL.)
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| | | | | | | Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2020 19:10 | | Subject: | Re: 3626cpb1788 Will Still Say Flesh | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| I'd suggest, if you're going to "standardize" the conventions, please
remove all the withs, withouts, ands, ons, throughs and other useless terms.
Stick to nouns wherever possible. The desire to make the titles "human readable"
isn't always in keeping with good discovery practices. As you noted a little
while ago, why name something in such a way that 75% of the terms are useless.
Change sequencing to reflect a variant before the size:
Bad: Container 1 x 2 Lid
Good: Container Lid 1 x 2
Bad: Tile 1 x 2 with Groove
Good: Tile Grooved 1 x 2
Did I mention: The page cannot be displayed because an internal server error
has occurred.
I guess you're not in charge of that one, though.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | ratas | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2020 19:16 | | Subject: | Re: 3626cpb1788 Will Still Say Flesh | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, mfav writes:
| | I'd suggest, if you're going to "standardize" the conventions, please
remove all the withs, withouts, ands, ons, throughs and other useless terms.
Stick to nouns wherever possible. The desire to make the titles "human readable"
isn't always in keeping with good discovery practices. As you noted a little
while ago, why name something in such a way that 75% of the terms are useless.
Change sequencing to reflect a variant before the size:
Bad: Container 1 x 2 Lid
Good: Container Lid 1 x 2
Bad: Tile 1 x 2 with Groove
Good: Tile Grooved 1 x 2
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I am a bit on both sides on this idea. In one way, having the variant first is
beneficial, but on the other hand, when the "base" version and variant come one
after other, having the variant later is better (imho). E.g.
Tile 1 x 2
Tile 1 x 2 grooved
To me, it is easier to spot the what is the common stuff and what changes when
they are shown like that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2020 19:29 | | Subject: | Re: 3626cpb1788 Will Still Say Flesh | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, ratas writes:
| | I am a bit on both sides on this idea. In one way, having the variant first is
beneficial, but on the other hand, when the "base" version and variant come one
after other, having the variant later is better (imho). E.g.
Tile 1 x 2
Tile 1 x 2 grooved
To me, it is easier to spot the what is the common stuff and what changes when
they are shown like that.
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The problem is with cognition:
Is this a Container or a Container Lid?
Container 1 x 2 x 3 Lid
...is it a 1 x 2 x 3 container or is it a 1 x 2 x 3 lid?
The tile example also would argue for a qualifier
Tile Ungrooved
Tile Grooved
Is Grooved the right qualifier? The 2412 Tile is grooved. The title doesn't
reflect that, but I'd suspect that "groove" would be an likely search term
for the uninitiated. So...back up and work on the glossary first?
Attempting this standardization...developing a schema to follow...should probably
take days if not weeks to sort out. If you download the catalog and look just
at the Container section...try to dissect that with a spreadsheet...put like
attributes into columns...you run into the weeds pretty quickly. And that's
an easy category.
And I'll once again emphasize that without substantive changes to the underlying
database structure, this is just rearranging the deck chairs.
If this work being done now is in anticipation of actually getting a better underlying
database sometime down the road, then start planning now and have the StormBluser
Schema anticipate the "to come" schema.
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2020 17:23 | | Subject: | Re: 3626cpb1788 Will Still Say Flesh | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, axaday writes:
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* | | 3626cpb1788 Minifigure, Head Dual Sided Alien Black Moustache, Skeleton with Lavender Eye Showing through Torn Skin Left, Angry / Scared Pattern - Hollow Stud
Parts: Minifigure, Head |
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Standby...maybe not
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