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 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Jan 11, 2020 08:15
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 6274-1
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SezaR (248)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 6274  Name: Caribbean Clipper
* 
6274-1 (Inv) Caribbean Clipper
361 Parts, 4 Minifigs, 1989
Sets: Pirates: Pirates I: Imperial Soldiers

* Add 1 Part 4502c01 Yellow Minifigure, Plume / Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue (Counterpart)
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Jan 11, 2020 08:17
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6274-1
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SezaR (248)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 6274  Name: Caribbean Clipper
* 
6274-1 (Inv) Caribbean Clipper
361 Parts, 4 Minifigs, 1989
Sets: Pirates: Pirates I: Imperial Soldiers

* Add 1 Part 4502c01 Yellow Minifigure, Plume / Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue (Counterpart)

Since we cannot add it to the regular section, I guess we can still have it in
the counterpart section.

Sources
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/lego-vintage-1989-pirates-caribbean-1871634191

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/misb-1989-lego-pirates-6274-caribbean-405369328

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-lego-6274-caribbean-clipper-541425322
 
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Jan 11, 2020 11:04
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6274-1
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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Since we cannot add it to the regular section, I guess we can still have it in
the counterpart section.

The definition of counterparts:

Counterparts - Parts which are either assembled from or permanently
changed from parts in the Regular Items section during the process of building
a set according to the instructions. Examples include parts with stickers applied
and cut pneumatic hoses. In the absence of instructions, exceptions may be made.
Refer to Additional Information About Counterparts for further details.


Parts on sprues are addressed in the Additional Information About Regular Items
section here:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
 Posted: Jan 11, 2020 11:44
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6274-1
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62Bricks (838)

Location:  USA, Missouri
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In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Since we cannot add it to the regular section, I guess we can still have it in
the counterpart section.

The definition of counterparts:

Counterparts - Parts which are either assembled from or permanently
changed from parts in the Regular Items section during the process of building
a set according to the instructions. Examples include parts with stickers applied
and cut pneumatic hoses. In the absence of instructions, exceptions may be made.
Refer to Additional Information About Counterparts for further details.


Parts on sprues are addressed in the Additional Information About Regular Items
section here:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562

Another chance to flog this horse.

Some of these plumes are quite expensive: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogPG.asp?P=4502a&colorID=11

The misguided policy that says all parts on sprues are now regular items means
that many of these plumes that were formerly considered "extras" and therefore
not required to be included in a "complete" set are now required per the Bricklink
policies.

$15-$20 is a significant difference in value.

And these changes have resulted in several listings like the ones below, which
were listed correctly as "complete" under the old policy, but which are now incorrect.
One wonders how many of the "complete" sets that do not have any comments also
do not include the former "extras."

This set sells used, complete, for around the same price as one of the small
black plumes alone.

This policy has removed historical information from the site (the information
about which parts are needed to build the set according to the instructions)
and has created the potential for real confusion and unhappiness between buyers
and sellers (Where's the black plume that Bricklink says should be included?).

It is a bad policy.
 
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Jan 11, 2020 12:03
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In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
  This policy has removed historical information from the site (the information
about which parts are needed to build the set according to the instructions)

So you believe that a set inventory should contain only the parts required to
construct the set per instructions and anything else included in the box should
be considered an extra? I'm not asking to argue, but just to understand
your position.

And how does your vision align with that significant fraction of sets which included
no building instructions? How would we address those sets without rules and
exceptions, to which you're mildly allergic?

If the site has removed certain information, such as what is required to build
the set, it has added other information: exactly what comes in a new box.

Again with the horses, it is possible to have an inventory both ways. Just needs
additional inventory functionality that doesn't rely so heavily on "sections."
And yes, I'm aware that you disagree with that. But since we've trotted
out our horses, I'm gonna abuse mine a little, too.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Jan 11, 2020 12:30
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SylvainLS (32)

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In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
  This policy has removed historical information from the site (the information
about which parts are needed to build the set according to the instructions)

So you believe that a set inventory should contain only the parts required to
construct the set per instructions and anything else included in the box should
be considered an extra? I'm not asking to argue, but just to understand
your position.

And how does your vision align with that significant fraction of sets which included
no building instructions? How would we address those sets without rules and
exceptions, to which you're mildly allergic?

If the site has removed certain information, such as what is required to build
the set, it has added other information: exactly what comes in a new box.

Again with the horses, it is possible to have an inventory both ways. Just needs
additional inventory functionality that doesn't rely so heavily on "sections."
And yes, I'm aware that you disagree with that. But since we've trotted
out our horses, I'm gonna abuse mine a little, too.

What if there were:
— Main or Build (parts used to build the main model)
— Regulars (parts always included in the set)
— Extras (supernumerary parts)
?

And then:
(— Incomplete)
— Complete for main model only
— Complete for all models
— Complete with extras
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
 Posted: Jan 11, 2020 13:08
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In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
  This policy has removed historical information from the site (the information
about which parts are needed to build the set according to the instructions)

So you believe that a set inventory should contain only the parts required to
construct the set per instructions and anything else included in the box should
be considered an extra? I'm not asking to argue, but just to understand
your position.

This is already Bricklink's position. A complete set is one that includes
all the parts required to construct the set per instructions. It's not my
opinion, it's Bricklink's definition. And despite Russell's claims
to the contrary, it has been the de facto practice on Bricklink that the
regular parts section represents the complete set. Anyone who claims that this
was not the case (or that it is still not the case) is making excuses,
I believe.

  
And how does your vision align with that significant fraction of sets which included
no building instructions? How would we address those sets without rules and
exceptions, to which you're mildly allergic?

Again, Bricklink's current definition of a complete set is based on the instructions
and the current policy for sets without them already applies.

  
If the site has removed certain information, such as what is required to build
the set, it has added other information: exactly what comes in a new box.

  
Again with the horses, it is possible to have an inventory both ways. Just needs
additional inventory functionality that doesn't rely so heavily on "sections."
And yes, I'm aware that you disagree with that. But since we've trotted
out our horses, I'm gonna abuse mine a little, too.

No, additional inventory functionality is not required to have it both
ways. In the case of plumes and other parts on sprues:

- Those needed to complete the set according to the instructions go in the regular
section as individual parts.

- Those not needed go in the extras section as individual parts

- The sprue part goes in the counterparts.

That preserves all of the historical information, eliminates the current contradiction
between the definitions of regular parts and complete sets, and as an added bonus
makes freaking sense.