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| | | Author: | Admin_Russell  | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 12:32 | | Subject: | The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 772 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Dear BrickLink members,
We've just added a few more FAQs to the list based on questions raised since
the release of the new Terms of Service and Privacy Policy:
https://www.bricklink.com/r3/announcement/lego_bl_faq.page
These newest FAQs are also copied below:
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8. We can no longer click into Buyer names. Is this permanent, due to privacy
issues?
We made this change to protect the privacy of BrickLink users. However, we plan
to add some information for both buyers and sellers such as the last login and
a summary of recent address changes.
9. What will happen with our current volunteer admins?
Our volunteer admins will continue to be crucial to the BrickLink community and
to the catalog. We are currently working to move them over to the new ‘Community
Experts Program’.
10. How can I completely delete my profile?
Send a ticket to the Help Desk asking to delete your BrickLink account and all
your personal data. We will work with you to complete this process. If you simply
wish to unregister your account, click here: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=129&q=unregister
11. How will you be using my data?
Your data will be used only in accordance with the Privacy Policy and your personal
settings. It will not be shared with any other entities, including the LEGO Group,
without express consent.
12. Is BrickLink a subsidiary of the LEGO Group, or actually folded into it?
BrickLink is a wholly owned subsidiary of the LEGO Group and will be managed
as a stand-alone team. It will continued to be based in Irvine CA.
13. Why are modified parts no longer allowed?
Modified parts may consist of material that may not meet LEGO quality and product
safety standards. In addition, printed designs may also have some legal implications
related to intellectual property rights or display content incompatible with
the LEGO brand.
14. Will the LEGO Group start directly providing set inventories so they no
longer have to be created manually by volunteers?
Moving forward the LEGO Group will supply data to help the catalog admin team
update the catalog faster and more accurately. However, we will continue to need
the community to help build and maintain the catalog.
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| | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 13:00 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 129 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
We've just added a few more FAQs to the list based on questions raised since
the release of the new Terms of Service and Privacy Policy:
https://www.bricklink.com/r3/announcement/lego_bl_faq.page
These newest FAQs are also copied below:
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8. We can no longer click into Buyer names. Is this permanent, due to privacy
issues?
We made this change to protect the privacy of BrickLink users. However, we plan
to add some information for both buyers and sellers such as the last login and
a summary of recent address changes.
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When? This was taken away without informing sellers and it is an important feature
for some sellers. BL does have rather a history of planning things...
Better yet - make a contractual and ship to address on checkout. It would solve
a fair number of headaches. Everywhere else I buy, I get to set a shipping address
and a contract address, except on here. And you should know that even TLG cancels
orders in circumstances where they do not agree with certain addresses, even
if theose addresses are fully valid.
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9. What will happen with our current volunteer admins?
Our volunteer admins will continue to be crucial to the BrickLink community and
to the catalog. We are currently working to move them over to the new ‘Community
Experts Program’.
10. How can I completely delete my profile?
Send a ticket to the Help Desk asking to delete your BrickLink account and all
your personal data. We will work with you to complete this process. If you simply
wish to unregister your account, click here: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=129&q=unregister
11. How will you be using my data?
Your data will be used only in accordance with the Privacy Policy and your personal
settings. It will not be shared with any other entities, including the LEGO Group,
without express consent.
12. Is BrickLink a subsidiary of the LEGO Group, or actually folded into it?
BrickLink is a wholly owned subsidiary of the LEGO Group and will be managed
as a stand-alone team. It will continued to be based in Irvine CA.
13. Why are modified parts no longer allowed?
Modified parts may consist of material that may not meet LEGO quality and product
safety standards. In addition, printed designs may also have some legal implications
related to intellectual property rights or display content incompatible with
the LEGO brand.
14. Will the LEGO Group start directly providing set inventories so they no
longer have to be created manually by volunteers?
Moving forward the LEGO Group will supply data to help the catalog admin team
update the catalog faster and more accurately. However, we will continue to need
the community to help build and maintain the catalog.
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| | | | | | | Author: | DallasBricks | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 13:56 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, bje writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
We've just added a few more FAQs to the list based on questions raised since
the release of the new Terms of Service and Privacy Policy:
https://www.bricklink.com/r3/announcement/lego_bl_faq.page
These newest FAQs are also copied below:
****************************************************
8. We can no longer click into Buyer names. Is this permanent, due to privacy
issues?
We made this change to protect the privacy of BrickLink users. However, we plan
to add some information for both buyers and sellers such as the last login and
a summary of recent address changes.
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When? This was taken away without informing sellers and it is an important feature
for some sellers. BL does have rather a history of planning things...
Better yet - make a contractual and ship to address on checkout. It would solve
a fair number of headaches. Everywhere else I buy, I get to set a shipping address
and a contract address, except on here. And you should know that even TLG cancels
orders in circumstances where they do not agree with certain addresses, even
if theose addresses are fully valid.
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What seems odd to me is the sellers information is still available at the bottom
of an order. And the sellers last login and address changes use to be available,
so this is not "Information Add".
David
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9. What will happen with our current volunteer admins?
Our volunteer admins will continue to be crucial to the BrickLink community and
to the catalog. We are currently working to move them over to the new ‘Community
Experts Program’.
10. How can I completely delete my profile?
Send a ticket to the Help Desk asking to delete your BrickLink account and all
your personal data. We will work with you to complete this process. If you simply
wish to unregister your account, click here: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=129&q=unregister
11. How will you be using my data?
Your data will be used only in accordance with the Privacy Policy and your personal
settings. It will not be shared with any other entities, including the LEGO Group,
without express consent.
12. Is BrickLink a subsidiary of the LEGO Group, or actually folded into it?
BrickLink is a wholly owned subsidiary of the LEGO Group and will be managed
as a stand-alone team. It will continued to be based in Irvine CA.
13. Why are modified parts no longer allowed?
Modified parts may consist of material that may not meet LEGO quality and product
safety standards. In addition, printed designs may also have some legal implications
related to intellectual property rights or display content incompatible with
the LEGO brand.
14. Will the LEGO Group start directly providing set inventories so they no
longer have to be created manually by volunteers?
Moving forward the LEGO Group will supply data to help the catalog admin team
update the catalog faster and more accurately. However, we will continue to need
the community to help build and maintain the catalog.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 15:35 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 125 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Member Since |
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| In Administrative, DallasBricks writes:
| | In Administrative, bje writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
We've just added a few more FAQs to the list based on questions raised since
the release of the new Terms of Service and Privacy Policy:
https://www.bricklink.com/r3/announcement/lego_bl_faq.page
These newest FAQs are also copied below:
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8. We can no longer click into Buyer names. Is this permanent, due to privacy
issues?
We made this change to protect the privacy of BrickLink users. However, we plan
to add some information for both buyers and sellers such as the last login and
a summary of recent address changes.
|
When? This was taken away without informing sellers and it is an important feature
for some sellers. BL does have rather a history of planning things...
Better yet - make a contractual and ship to address on checkout. It would solve
a fair number of headaches. Everywhere else I buy, I get to set a shipping address
and a contract address, except on here. And you should know that even TLG cancels
orders in circumstances where they do not agree with certain addresses, even
if theose addresses are fully valid.
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What seems odd to me is the sellers information is still available at the bottom
of an order. And the sellers last login and address changes use to be available,
so this is not "Information Add".
David
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The privacy issue is not with the buyer / seller current address. It's with
the previous addresses that aren't associated with that order.
So the information available on the classic order detail page hasn't been
reduced, just the extra information available through a link on the order list
page.
However, we are planning to add some information about the last login and address
change frequency to another location, perhaps the order detail page.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Dec 24, 2019 06:19 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 106 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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The privacy issue is not with the buyer / seller current address. It's with
the previous addresses that aren't associated with that order.
So the information available on the classic order detail page hasn't been
reduced, just the extra information available through a link on the order list
page.
However, we are planning to add some information about the last login and address
change frequency to another location, perhaps the order detail page.
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Why not just make it that users can only change their address no more than once
per month. Or better still, if they pay by PayPal on-site then only the PayPal
address is shown.
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| | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 13:14 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 119 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
We've just added a few more FAQs to the list based on questions raised since
the release of the new Terms of Service and Privacy Policy:
https://www.bricklink.com/r3/announcement/lego_bl_faq.page
These newest FAQs are also copied below:
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8. We can no longer click into Buyer names. Is this permanent, due to privacy
issues?
We made this change to protect the privacy of BrickLink users. However, we plan
to add some information for both buyers and sellers such as the last login and
a summary of recent address changes.
9. What will happen with our current volunteer admins?
Our volunteer admins will continue to be crucial to the BrickLink community and
to the catalog. We are currently working to move them over to the new ‘Community
Experts Program’.
10. How can I completely delete my profile?
Send a ticket to the Help Desk asking to delete your BrickLink account and all
your personal data. We will work with you to complete this process. If you simply
wish to unregister your account, click here: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=129&q=unregister
11. How will you be using my data?
Your data will be used only in accordance with the Privacy Policy and your personal
settings. It will not be shared with any other entities, including the LEGO Group,
without express consent.
12. Is BrickLink a subsidiary of the LEGO Group, or actually folded into it?
BrickLink is a wholly owned subsidiary of the LEGO Group and will be managed
as a stand-alone team. It will continued to be based in Irvine CA.
13. Why are modified parts no longer allowed?
Modified parts may consist of material that may not meet LEGO quality and product
safety standards. In addition, printed designs may also have some legal implications
related to intellectual property rights or display content incompatible with
the LEGO brand.
14. Will the LEGO Group start directly providing set inventories so they no
longer have to be created manually by volunteers?
Moving forward the LEGO Group will supply data to help the catalog admin team
update the catalog faster and more accurately. However, we will continue to need
the community to help build and maintain the catalog.
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Hello Russell and thank you for sharing further information with us. Whilst there
still isn't enough to move us off the fence over this we appreciate that
in circumstances such as this, things do take time.
We await further details and information including things such as help desk manning;
development plans (top level of course - or in Bricklink's way - an accurate
and up to date roadmap.
Has XP been put on the back burner? The focus of both Bricklink's statements
and those of Lego seem to centre on the afol designer program and whilst we really
have no comments about that (it did not effect stores in any way as they were
not allowed to sell the designs),is that where the focus is to be? Is there a
site re-write planned? What about the long overdue bug fixes?
Lots and lots of questions really - all need some kind of answers or response
- after all, like you we are businesses and wish to have the ability to plan
not just react.
Thanks
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| | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 13:15 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
We've just added a few more FAQs to the list based on questions raised since
the release of the new Terms of Service and Privacy Policy:
https://www.bricklink.com/r3/announcement/lego_bl_faq.page
These newest FAQs are also copied below:
****************************************************
8. We can no longer click into Buyer names. Is this permanent, due to privacy
issues?
We made this change to protect the privacy of BrickLink users. However, we plan
to add some information for both buyers and sellers such as the last login and
a summary of recent address changes.
9. What will happen with our current volunteer admins?
Our volunteer admins will continue to be crucial to the BrickLink community and
to the catalog. We are currently working to move them over to the new ‘Community
Experts Program’.
10. How can I completely delete my profile?
Send a ticket to the Help Desk asking to delete your BrickLink account and all
your personal data. We will work with you to complete this process. If you simply
wish to unregister your account, click here: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=129&q=unregister
11. How will you be using my data?
Your data will be used only in accordance with the Privacy Policy and your personal
settings. It will not be shared with any other entities, including the LEGO Group,
without express consent.
12. Is BrickLink a subsidiary of the LEGO Group, or actually folded into it?
BrickLink is a wholly owned subsidiary of the LEGO Group and will be managed
as a stand-alone team. It will continued to be based in Irvine CA.
13. Why are modified parts no longer allowed?
Modified parts may consist of material that may not meet LEGO quality and product
safety standards. In addition, printed designs may also have some legal implications
related to intellectual property rights or display content incompatible with
the LEGO brand.
14. Will the LEGO Group start directly providing set inventories so they no
longer have to be created manually by volunteers?
Moving forward the LEGO Group will supply data to help the catalog admin team
update the catalog faster and more accurately. However, we will continue to need
the community to help build and maintain the catalog.
|
Hello Russell and thank you for sharing further information with us. Whilst there
still isn't enough to move us off the fence over this we appreciate that
in circumstances such as this, things do take time.
We await further details and information including things such as help desk manning;
development plans (top level of course - or in Bricklink's way - an accurate
and up to date roadmap.
Has XP been put on the back burner? The focus of both Bricklink's statements
and those of Lego seem to centre on the afol designer program and whilst we really
have no comments about that (it did not effect stores in any way as they were
not allowed to sell the designs),is that where the focus is to be? Is there a
site re-write planned? What about the long overdue bug fixes?
Lots and lots of questions really - all need some kind of answers or response
- after all, like you we are businesses and wish to have the ability to plan
not just react.
Thanks
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NB - Sorry forgot to mention the AMA sessions - when are they likely to take
place and how would they be applied or set up?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 17:13 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, mfav writes:
First rule of the AFOL DNA XPZA Experts Collective Program….
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| | | | | Author: | BrainOfTheBrick | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 13:47 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Dear BrickLink members,
We've just added a few more FAQs to the list based on questions raised since
the release of the new Terms of Service and Privacy Policy:
https://www.bricklink.com/r3/announcement/lego_bl_faq.page
These newest FAQs are also copied below:
****************************************************
8. We can no longer click into Buyer names. Is this permanent, due to privacy
issues?
We made this change to protect the privacy of BrickLink users. However, we plan
to add some information for both buyers and sellers such as the last login and
a summary of recent address changes.
9. What will happen with our current volunteer admins?
Our volunteer admins will continue to be crucial to the BrickLink community and
to the catalog. We are currently working to move them over to the new ‘Community
Experts Program’.
10. How can I completely delete my profile?
Send a ticket to the Help Desk asking to delete your BrickLink account and all
your personal data. We will work with you to complete this process. If you simply
wish to unregister your account, click here: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=129&q=unregister
11. How will you be using my data?
Your data will be used only in accordance with the Privacy Policy and your personal
settings. It will not be shared with any other entities, including the LEGO Group,
without express consent.
12. Is BrickLink a subsidiary of the LEGO Group, or actually folded into it?
BrickLink is a wholly owned subsidiary of the LEGO Group and will be managed
as a stand-alone team. It will continued to be based in Irvine CA.
13. Why are modified parts no longer allowed?
Modified parts may consist of material that may not meet LEGO quality and product
safety standards. In addition, printed designs may also have some legal implications
related to intellectual property rights or display content incompatible with
the LEGO brand.
14. Will the LEGO Group start directly providing set inventories so they no
longer have to be created manually by volunteers?
Moving forward the LEGO Group will supply data to help the catalog admin team
update the catalog faster and more accurately. However, we will continue to need
the community to help build and maintain the catalog.
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Does 13 mean no more chrome parts?!?!
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| | | | | | | Author: | Captain_Q | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 13:56 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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Modified parts may consist of material that may not meet LEGO quality and product
safety standards. In addition, printed designs may also have some legal implications
related to intellectual property rights or display content incompatible with
the LEGO brand.
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Chrome parts are no longer allowed.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 14:33 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 108 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | BrickLink is a wholly owned subsidiary of the LEGO Group and will be managed
as a stand-alone team. It will continued to be based in Irvine CA.
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For those who want a little more insight into what that term means, here is a
summary directly quoted from Investopedia:
A subsidiary company is considered wholly owned when another company, the parent
company, owns all of the common stock. There are no minority shareholders. The
subsidiary's stock is not traded publicly. But it remains an independent
legal body, a corporation with its own organized framework and administration.
Its day-to-day operations are likely directed entirely by the parent company,
however.
The setup of a wholly owned subsidiary is advantageous in a number of ways. In
some countries, licensing regulations make the formation of new companies difficult
or impossible. If a parent company acquires a subsidiary that already has the
necessary operational permits, it can begin conducting business sooner and with
less administrative difficulty. Another advantage of wholly owned subsidiaries
is the potential for coordination of a global corporate strategy. A parent company
usually selects companies to become wholly owned subsidiaries that it considers
vital to its overall success as a business.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Captain_Q | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 15:01 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, StormChaser writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | BrickLink is a wholly owned subsidiary of the LEGO Group and will be managed
as a stand-alone team. It will continued to be based in Irvine CA.
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For those who want a little more insight into what that term means, here is a
summary directly quoted from Investopedia:
A subsidiary company is considered wholly owned when another company, the parent
company, owns all of the common stock. There are no minority shareholders. The
subsidiary's stock is not traded publicly. But it remains an independent
legal body, a corporation with its own organized framework and administration.
Its day-to-day operations are likely directed entirely by the parent company,
however.
The setup of a wholly owned subsidiary is advantageous in a number of ways. In
some countries, licensing regulations make the formation of new companies difficult
or impossible. If a parent company acquires a subsidiary that already has the
necessary operational permits, it can begin conducting business sooner and with
less administrative difficulty. Another advantage of wholly owned subsidiaries
is the potential for coordination of a global corporate strategy. A parent company
usually selects companies to become wholly owned subsidiaries that it considers
vital to its overall success as a business.
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Thank you!
To me it feels like they are going to clean things up and optimize and then really
push that AFOL Designer program to it's limit. While they get that 3% fees
which is really double dipping for them.
Captain Q
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 15:13 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Captain_Q writes:
I've heard this come up a couple of times now. My response: so what?
We all accept it when governments do it with taxes, even when it becomes faintly
ridiculous (triple and quadruple dipping). It's the way of the world.
If you like the plastic product, then why bemoan the company who makes it getting
a little extra money from something that was going to happen anyway? If you
get something from that, meaning a secure, reliable secondhand marketplace, then
why the complaint?
Having said that, if BrickLink continues down the paths of the past and TLG profits
from that, then I can see having a legitimate complaint.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Captain_Q | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 15:59 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, StormChaser writes:
| | In Administrative, Captain_Q writes:
I've heard this come up a couple of times now. My response: so what?
We all accept it when governments do it with taxes, even when it becomes faintly
ridiculous (triple and quadruple dipping). It's the way of the world.
If you like the plastic product, then why bemoan the company who makes it getting
a little extra money from something that was going to happen anyway? If you
get something from that, meaning a secure, reliable secondhand marketplace, then
why the complaint?
Having said that, if BrickLink continues down the paths of the past and TLG profits
from that, then I can see having a legitimate complaint.
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1: I don't see it as a complaint and I am not bothered by it; it's smart
business imo
2: It's evidence that they will not destroy Bricklink as some envision.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 15:38 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 111 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | We've just added a few more FAQs
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I have a question that I would like answered and added to the FAQs if possible.
What long-term commitment, if any, is the LEGO Group making to permanently and
publicly preserving the data in the catalog and are they willing to provide that
in writing?
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 16:37 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, StormChaser writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | We've just added a few more FAQs
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I have a question that I would like answered and added to the FAQs if possible.
What long-term commitment, if any, is the LEGO Group making to permanently and
publicly preserving the data in the catalog and are they willing to provide that
in writing?
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That question is for Mom and Pop. Lego is a big business and will not write
down what they will not do in the future. The data in the catalog will be preserved
as long as they feel it is in their best interest and then it will not be. But
I don't see why it wouldn't be.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 17:00 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | Lego is a big business and will not write down what they will not do in the future.
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That's odd. It kinda seems like they're doing something like that here:
https://www.lego.com/en-us/aboutus/responsibility/sustainability/
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as long as they feel it is in their best interest and then it will not be.
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That's a problem. There is no reason at all why the company can't make
a long-term commitment to publicly preserving the data.
We have collectively poured untold hours and dollars into building this thing
we all share. All I'd like to see is some solid indication that it won't
disappear on the whim of some future executive.
And it really doesn't seem like too much to ask for that in writing.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 17:38 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 110 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, StormChaser writes:
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| | Lego is a big business and will not write down what they will not do in the future.
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That's odd. It kinda seems like they're doing something like that here:
https://www.lego.com/en-us/aboutus/responsibility/sustainability/
| | The data in the catalog will be preserved
as long as they feel it is in their best interest and then it will not be.
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That's a problem. There is no reason at all why the company can't make
a long-term commitment to publicly preserving the data.
We have collectively poured untold hours and dollars into building this thing
we all share. All I'd like to see is some solid indication that it won't
disappear on the whim of some future executive.
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Any past and present executive could have done that at any time. My view is that
th intelletual property value of contributions are signed over to BL on submission.
And as with anything that is someone else's property, they can do it with
what they want, certainly. BL ha a been a wholly owned subsidiary of a publicly
traded corporation for a long while now, so nothing has really changed in respect
of the risks an rewards of the intellectual property you or any other catalogue
contributor gave to BL over the years.
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And it really doesn't seem like too much to ask for that in writing.
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Why would this be an issue with TLG and not any other previous owner of BL?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 19:45 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 100 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, bje writes:
| | Any past and present executive could have done that at any time.
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Yep. I know.
| | My view is that th intelletual property value of contributions are signed over to BL on submission.
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Yep. I'm aware of that.
| | And as with anything that is someone else's property, they can do it with
what they want,
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Yep. They definitely can.
| | Why would this be an issue with TLG and not any other previous owner of BL?
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It has always been an issue for me. I brought it up in the forums a decade ago
when Dan was still alive. I imagine he read what I had to say, but never responded.
As for Dan's family, they did what was best for them.
As for the owner after that, I consider us fortunate that the sale was to TLG.
It could have been to any company. He has said publicly that he's a LEGO
fan, so perhaps he did have the best interests of the community at heart.
As for why TLG, they're the first owner that might have an interest in listening
to us and an interest in the product that matches ours in intensity and
the long-range planning ability to make a long-term commitment to the catalog
(regardless of how well the rest of the site, meaning the secondhand market,
performs). Also, as for why them: they seem to understand what it means to treat
others with respect and fairness, to actually care about other people and the
work they have accomplished.
I want to know that the catalog and the information it contains will still be
here in 20 years or 40 years, even if the rest of the site is abandoned. I appear
to be the only one who cares that deeply about it, but that may be because I've
spent around a decade of my life working on it.
There is no harm in asking, so I ask. And frankly, it would be nice to get a
little support. I'm not just asking for myself, I'm also asking for
you and everyone else who considers the catalog to have value.
Something beyond monetary value, that is.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 20:09 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, StormChaser writes:
| | In Administrative, bje writes:
| | Any past and present executive could have done that at any time.
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Yep. I know.
| | My view is that th intelletual property value of contributions are signed over to BL on submission.
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Yep. I'm aware of that.
| | And as with anything that is someone else's property, they can do it with
what they want,
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Yep. They definitely can.
| | Why would this be an issue with TLG and not any other previous owner of BL?
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It has always been an issue for me. I brought it up in the forums a decade ago
when Dan was still alive. I imagine he read what I had to say, but never responded.
As for Dan's family, they did what was best for them.
As for the owner after that, I consider us fortunate that the sale was to TLG.
It could have been to any company. He has said publicly that he's a LEGO
fan, so perhaps he did have the best interests of the community at heart.
As for why TLG, they're the first owner that might have an interest in listening
to us and an interest in the product that matches ours in intensity and
the long-range planning ability to make a long-term commitment to the catalog
(regardless of how well the rest of the site, meaning the secondhand market,
performs). Also, as for why them: they seem to understand what it means to treat
others with respect and fairness, to actually care about other people and the
work they have accomplished.
I want to know that the catalog and the information it contains will still be
here in 20 years or 40 years, even if the rest of the site is abandoned. I appear
to be the only one who cares that deeply about it, but that may be because I've
spent around a decade of my life working on it.
There is no harm in asking, so I ask. And frankly, it would be nice to get a
little support. I'm not just asking for myself, I'm also asking for
you and everyone else who considers the catalog to have value.
Something beyond monetary value, that is.
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We could lobby to make the catalog open source formally under one of the Creative
Commons licenses, similar to what LDraw does. Rebrickable does the same thing,
but informally.
That would allow anyone and everyone not only to preserve the data, it would
allow us to build on it and create new ways to use it. Lego already has a history
of supporting access to its data and IP for fan use - the Fair Play guidelines,
the open source licenses for the Mindstorms and EV3 software, instructions downloads,
etc. They might consider doing the same with BL.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 20:41 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 105 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, 62Bricks writes:
| | We could lobby to make the catalog open source formally under one of the Creative
Commons licenses, similar to what LDraw does. Rebrickable does the same thing,
but informally.
That would allow anyone and everyone not only to preserve the data, it would
allow us to build on it and create new ways to use it. Lego already has a history
of supporting access to its data and IP for fan use - the Fair Play guidelines,
the open source licenses for the Mindstorms and EV3 software, instructions downloads,
etc. They might consider doing the same with BL.
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Thank you for the response! Nice to have some support. 
There are a number of different ways a long-term commitment could be demonstrated.
Since '09 I've been thinking the best way would be to set up a 501(c)(3)
non-profit foundation to maintain the catalog long-term. I doubt they'll
go for that because it gets complicated legally with the profit aspect of the
site.
Still, I'm greatly hoping they have at least considered the long-term future
of the catalog and are willing to commit to preserving it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Dec 23, 2019 21:13 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 128 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, StormChaser writes:
| | I want to know that the catalog and the information it contains will still be
here in 20 years or 40 years, even if the rest of the site is abandoned. I appear
to be the only one who cares that deeply about it, but that may be because I've
spent around a decade of my life working on it.
There is no harm in asking, so I ask. And frankly, it would be nice to get a
little support. I'm not just asking for myself, I'm also asking for
you and everyone else who considers the catalog to have value.
Something beyond monetary value, that is.
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I didn't mean to have a fight with you. I don't think you really believe
you're the only one who cares. But I'm a pragmatist. I don't see
any reason that Lego would dump the catalog. I'm told they use it themselves
internally because it is better than their own records.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jcvp17 | | Posted: | Dec 24, 2019 11:32 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 116 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, StormChaser writes:
| | And frankly, it would be nice to get a little support.
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Of course the catalog is valuable, of course we are all interested in continuing
on its current line, of course you have not a little support but a lot ...
What may be happening is that we don't know how to get that support to the
right place...
Best regards.
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Dec 24, 2019 09:50 | | Subject: | Re: The Acquisition - even more FAQs | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, StormChaser writes:
| | In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
| | We've just added a few more FAQs
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I have a question that I would like answered and added to the FAQs if possible.
What long-term commitment, if any, is the LEGO Group making to permanently and
publicly preserving the data in the catalog and are they willing to provide that
in writing?
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I work in a secure facility where we have to scan a badge to enter a building.
A decade or so ago, they rolled out badge readers on the inside of the doors.
It alarmed a lot of people that we'd be badging OUT too, but HR put out
a statement that this was to comply with Homeland Security rules concerning emergency
situations so that they would always know how many people were inside. Just
a few years later, when we had a new HR director, a coworker of mine got called
in and they were starting the process of firing him. We had a relatively new
boss in our group too and she showed no sign of sticking up for him. But it
turned out that the day he had only come for an hour and then left was explainable.
He'd spent the rest of the day looking at new equipment in another facility
an hour's drive away. We subsequently learned that the new HR director,
with this information readily available, had taken it upon himself to randomly
select 10 employees every week to compare their badge readings to their timesheets
just to make sure.
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