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 Author: samsam2 View Messages Posted By samsam2
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Titles in the Catalog with words that need an apostrophe, either for a possessive
noun or for a contraction seem to randomly use one of the two types of apostrophe.

The first type is the typewriter apostrophe , it's straight not curly
and is part of ASCII character set and what you get on a PC using EN-US keyboard
layout, other countries and languages may be different....

The second type of apostrophe is the "Right Single Quotation Mark" , which
is part of the Unicode character set. This is hard to type on a PC EN-US keyboard
without the use of autocorrect or 'smart quotes' something AI like.

The main reason this came to my attention is because the straight apostrophe
displays correctly for item names in BrickStock but the curly apostrophe does
not. It seems Brickstock can only display a limited character set, since accented
words are also not shown correctly.

I know Bricklink is not concerned with BrickStock, but Bricklink catalog should
know there is inconsistent use between two apostrophe types.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Oct 29, 2019 15:16
 Subject: Re: Both apostrophe types being used in titles
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In Catalog Requests, samsam2 writes:
  Titles in the Catalog with words that need an apostrophe, either for a possessive
noun or for a contraction seem to randomly use one of the two types of apostrophe.

The first type is the typewriter apostrophe , it's straight not curly
and is part of ASCII character set and what you get on a PC using EN-US keyboard
layout, other countries and languages may be different....

The second type of apostrophe is the "Right Single Quotation Mark" , which
is part of the Unicode character set. This is hard to type on a PC EN-US keyboard
without the use of autocorrect or 'smart quotes' something AI like.

The main reason this came to my attention is because the straight apostrophe
displays correctly for item names in BrickStock but the curly apostrophe does
not. It seems Brickstock can only display a limited character set, since accented
words are also not shown correctly.

I know Bricklink is not concerned with BrickStock, but Bricklink catalog should
know there is inconsistent use between two apostrophe types.

I'm going to look into this and see if we can do some data replacement and
add form filters to get them all the same way.
 Author: samsam2 View Messages Posted By samsam2
 Posted: Oct 29, 2019 15:20
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Just one example, as of now,
 
Set No: 8424  Name: Mater's Spy Zone
* 
8424-1 (Inv) Mater's Spy Zone
114 Parts, 2011
Sets: Cars
is using the curly/angled ’ apostrophe.

And this set is using the straight ' apostrophe
 
Set No: 5815  Name: Flo's Cafe
* 
5815-1 (Inv) Flo's Cafe
32 Parts, 2010
Sets: Duplo: Cars
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Oct 29, 2019 15:55
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In Catalog, samsam2 writes:
  Just one example, as of now,
 
Set No: 8424  Name: Mater's Spy Zone
* 
8424-1 (Inv) Mater's Spy Zone
114 Parts, 2011
Sets: Cars
is using the curly/angled ’ apostrophe.

And this set is using the straight ' apostrophe
 
Set No: 5815  Name: Flo's Cafe
* 
5815-1 (Inv) Flo's Cafe
32 Parts, 2010
Sets: Duplo: Cars

And this one uses both types! And cafe and café.

 
Set No: 8487  Name: Flo's V8 Cafe (Flo's V8 Café)
* 
8487-1 (Inv) Flo's V8 Cafe (Flo's V8 Café)
517 Parts, 2011
Sets: Cars
.

It would be good if BL stripped out all accents for searches. For example, when
searching for the German DFB players, they can be a pain if you don't know
how to type them in.

So for example, if you searched for Ozil, then you wound find this guy:

 
Minifig No: dfb008  Name: Mesut Özil (8) - Minifigure only Entry
* 
dfb008 (Inv) Mesut Özil (8) - Minifigure only Entry
Minifigs: Collectible Minifigures: DFB Series

I did try asking for the non-accented versions to be added to aid searches at
the time but it was denied. Although it was allowed for the Palantír.

 
Part No: 54821pb02  Name: Bionicle Zamor Sphere (Ball) with Marbled Medium Lime Pattern (Palantír, Palantir)
* 
54821pb02 Bionicle Zamor Sphere (Ball) with Marbled Medium Lime Pattern (Palantír, Palantir)
Parts: Bionicle
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Oct 29, 2019 20:10
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, samsam2 writes:
  Just one example, as of now,
 
Set No: 8424  Name: Mater's Spy Zone
* 
8424-1 (Inv) Mater's Spy Zone
114 Parts, 2011
Sets: Cars
is using the curly/angled ’ apostrophe.

And this set is using the straight ' apostrophe
 
Set No: 5815  Name: Flo's Cafe
* 
5815-1 (Inv) Flo's Cafe
32 Parts, 2010
Sets: Duplo: Cars

And this one uses both types! And cafe and café.

 
Set No: 8487  Name: Flo's V8 Cafe (Flo's V8 Café)
* 
8487-1 (Inv) Flo's V8 Cafe (Flo's V8 Café)
517 Parts, 2011
Sets: Cars
.

It would be good if BL stripped out all accents for searches. For example, when
searching for the German DFB players, they can be a pain if you don't know
how to type them in.

So for example, if you searched for Ozil, then you wound find this guy:

 
Minifig No: dfb008  Name: Mesut Özil (8) - Minifigure only Entry
* 
dfb008 (Inv) Mesut Özil (8) - Minifigure only Entry
Minifigs: Collectible Minifigures: DFB Series

I did try asking for the non-accented versions to be added to aid searches at
the time but it was denied. Although it was allowed for the Palantír.

 
Part No: 54821pb02  Name: Bionicle Zamor Sphere (Ball) with Marbled Medium Lime Pattern (Palantír, Palantir)
* 
54821pb02 Bionicle Zamor Sphere (Ball) with Marbled Medium Lime Pattern (Palantír, Palantir)
Parts: Bionicle

I have corrected the ones mentioned in this thread. We'll correct any others
that you find - just post them here. Macro tags are very useful.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Oct 29, 2019 20:24
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  […]
I have corrected the ones mentioned in this thread. We'll correct any others
that you find - just post them here. Macro tags are very useful.

Er, as of May 8th (the last time I downloaded the DB), there were:
106 sets,
15 parts,
and 4 minifigs
with ’ (curly quote) in their names.


That’s a lot to copy here. I could but I won’t.
You should be able to do it in the DB directly or using the XML or CSV dumps
to find them.

There’s also
 
Set No: 75886  Name: Ferrari 488 GT3 'Scuderia Corsa'
* 
75886-1 (Inv) Ferrari 488 GT3 'Scuderia Corsa'
175 Parts, 1 Minifig, 2018
Sets: Speed Champions
with double curly quotes.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  […]
I have corrected the ones mentioned in this thread. We'll correct any others
that you find - just post them here. Macro tags are very useful.

Er, as of May 8th (the last time I downloaded the DB), there were:
106 sets,
15 parts,
and 4 minifigs
with ’ (curly quote) in their names.


That’s a lot to copy here. I could but I won’t.
You should be able to do it in the DB directly or using the XML or CSV dumps
to find them.

There’s also
 
Set No: 75886  Name: Ferrari 488 GT3 'Scuderia Corsa'
* 
75886-1 (Inv) Ferrari 488 GT3 'Scuderia Corsa'
175 Parts, 1 Minifig, 2018
Sets: Speed Champions
with double curly quotes.

Job finished - let us know if we missed any.
 Author: samsam2 View Messages Posted By samsam2
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  Job finished - let us know if we missed any.

I was mostly noticing the problem in Friends sets, with a lot of Mia's
.......
etc. but I just updated BrickStock with the latest DB and it's
all been changed.

I can't see any of the name changes in the logs, i guess that's what
happens with automated editing of the DB directly? or am i not looking in the
right place for logged changes?
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
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In Catalog, samsam2 writes:
  
  Job finished - let us know if we missed any.

I was mostly noticing the problem in Friends sets, with a lot of Mia's
.......
etc. but I just updated BrickStock with the latest DB and it's
all been changed.

I can't see any of the name changes in the logs, i guess that's what
happens with automated editing of the DB directly? or am i not looking in the
right place for logged changes?

Item Name changes made directly by Catalog Admins are not in the public log.
In this case we did a database search and replace - those are not part of the
public log either.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  […]
Job finished - let us know if we missed any.

I found these which have an acute instead of a quote (hadn’t looked at the gears
before ):

 
Gear No: Gstk050  Name: Sticker, Ich hab' ein an der Schüssel!
* 
Gstk050 Sticker, Ich hab' ein an der Schüssel!
Gear: Sticker: Town: Classic Town: Police
 
Gear No: Gstk055  Name: Sticker, Ich glaub' Du hast ein Rad ab!
* 
Gstk055 Sticker, Ich glaub' Du hast ein Rad ab!
Gear: Sticker: Town
 
Gear No: Gstk059  Name: Sticker, Wer wird denn gleich so'n Tamtam machen!
* 
Gstk059 Sticker, Wer wird denn gleich so'n Tamtam machen!
Gear: Sticker: Pirates: Pirates I: Islanders
 
Gear No: Gstk060  Name: Sticker, Ich glaube, ich hab' nen Knick in der Linse!
* 
Gstk060 Sticker, Ich glaube, ich hab' nen Knick in der Linse!
Gear: Sticker: Duplo: Duplo, Town: Safari
 
Gear No: pcLB201  Name: Postcard - Legoland Parks, Legoland Billund - Miniland, King's Castle
* 
pcLB201 Postcard - Legoland Parks, Legoland Billund - Miniland, King's Castle
Gear: Card, Postcard: Legoland Parks
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  […]
Job finished - let us know if we missed any.

I found these which have an acute instead of a quote (hadn’t looked at the gears
before ):

 
Gear No: Gstk050  Name: Sticker, Ich hab' ein an der Schüssel!
* 
Gstk050 Sticker, Ich hab' ein an der Schüssel!
Gear: Sticker: Town: Classic Town: Police
 
Gear No: Gstk055  Name: Sticker, Ich glaub' Du hast ein Rad ab!
* 
Gstk055 Sticker, Ich glaub' Du hast ein Rad ab!
Gear: Sticker: Town
 
Gear No: Gstk059  Name: Sticker, Wer wird denn gleich so'n Tamtam machen!
* 
Gstk059 Sticker, Wer wird denn gleich so'n Tamtam machen!
Gear: Sticker: Pirates: Pirates I: Islanders
 
Gear No: Gstk060  Name: Sticker, Ich glaube, ich hab' nen Knick in der Linse!
* 
Gstk060 Sticker, Ich glaube, ich hab' nen Knick in der Linse!
Gear: Sticker: Duplo: Duplo, Town: Safari
 
Gear No: pcLB201  Name: Postcard - Legoland Parks, Legoland Billund - Miniland, King's Castle
* 
pcLB201 Postcard - Legoland Parks, Legoland Billund - Miniland, King's Castle
Gear: Card, Postcard: Legoland Parks

Handled.

Yes, including Gear items, there were about 360 quote marks to change.
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Not catalog, but I had to use the slanted type for my store name. When I made
the store, it did not allow the use of the regular apostrophes, but I had seen
some stores that did in fact use one. So I found one that did, and copy/pasted.

Just adding info to the discussion, I suppose...

Miles (C0lsanders_)


In Catalog Requests, samsam2 writes:
  Titles in the Catalog with words that need an apostrophe, either for a possessive
noun or for a contraction seem to randomly use one of the two types of apostrophe.

The first type is the typewriter apostrophe , it's straight not curly
and is part of ASCII character set and what you get on a PC using EN-US keyboard
layout, other countries and languages may be different....

The second type of apostrophe is the "Right Single Quotation Mark" , which
is part of the Unicode character set. This is hard to type on a PC EN-US keyboard
without the use of autocorrect or 'smart quotes' something AI like.

The main reason this came to my attention is because the straight apostrophe
displays correctly for item names in BrickStock but the curly apostrophe does
not. It seems Brickstock can only display a limited character set, since accented
words are also not shown correctly.

I know Bricklink is not concerned with BrickStock, but Bricklink catalog should
know there is inconsistent use between two apostrophe types.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Oct 29, 2019 20:16
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In Catalog Requests, C0lsanders_ writes:
  Not catalog, but I had to use the slanted type for my store name. When I made
the store, it did not allow the use of the regular apostrophes, but I had seen
some stores that did in fact use one. So I found one that did, and copy/pasted.

Just adding info to the discussion, I suppose...

Yours is the acute accent. Different from the two others: '’´

A few quotes:
'' straight single quote
‘’ curly single quotes
‚’ German single quotes / low curly quote (actually not the comma but looks
the same) + curly quote
"" straight double quotes
“” curly double quotes
«» chevrons, guillemets, French quotes
„” German double quotes

And similar characters:
´ acute
˝ double acute
′ prime / foot / minute
″ double prime / inches / second
‴ triple prime / lines
⁗ quadruple prime / points
` grave
‵ reversed prime
‶ reversed double prime
‷ reversed triple prime

Typography is fun and full of pitfalls.

A good way to fool people on the internet too: СССР isn’t cccp in caps, it’s
SSSR in Cyrillic, try copying and searching СССР and CCCP, you won’t get the
same results (though search engines are crafty). Now imagine what you can do
with a website name, say to РayРal.com (this one won’t work, it’s actually Cyrillic
Рs, not Ps, and not a registered website name).
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In Catalog Requests, samsam2 writes:
  Titles in the Catalog with words that need an apostrophe, either for a possessive
noun or for a contraction seem to randomly use one of the two types of apostrophe.

The first type is the typewriter apostrophe , it's straight not curly
and is part of ASCII character set and what you get on a PC using EN-US keyboard
layout, other countries and languages may be different....

The second type of apostrophe is the "Right Single Quotation Mark" , which
is part of the Unicode character set. This is hard to type on a PC EN-US keyboard
without the use of autocorrect or 'smart quotes' something AI like.

The main reason this came to my attention is because the straight apostrophe
displays correctly for item names in BrickStock but the curly apostrophe does
not. It seems Brickstock can only display a limited character set, since accented
words are also not shown correctly.

I know Bricklink is not concerned with BrickStock, but Bricklink catalog should
know there is inconsistent use between two apostrophe types.

It’s great to observe the effectual problem solving that's played-out in
this thread, coordinated between some talented get-it-done people, both members
and admin. Beautiful to watch!