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 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Oct 18, 2019 23:11
 Subject: Shipping/ import fees
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SezaR (236)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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I have an order from Europe. (only instructions)
I am considering to split the order in three to help the buyer not to pay import
fees (the threshold value is 22€)
Shall I insist the buyer to split the items, order and pay them separately? (so
three invoices too) or it doesn't matter really.
 Author: randyipp View Messages Posted By randyipp
 Posted: Oct 18, 2019 23:41
 Subject: Re: Shipping/ import fees
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In Selling, SezaR writes:
  I have an order from Europe. (only instructions)
I am considering to split the order in three to help the buyer not to pay import
fees (the threshold value is 22€)
Shall I insist the buyer to split the items, order and pay them separately? (so
three invoices too) or it doesn't matter really.

There are some countries I have heard, from those who live there, recommend attaching
the invoice to the outside of the package. Splitting shipping of 1 order into
3 packages may save the buyer from import tax and is likely viewed as type of
tax evasion.
Splitting the order into 3 invoices is probably safer, but not really less suspicious.

Of course this is just my opinion and certainly not fact so take it with a grain
of salt.
 Author: alexwilcox View Messages Posted By alexwilcox
 Posted: Oct 19, 2019 00:27
 Subject: Re: Shipping/ import fees
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In Selling, SezaR writes:
  I have an order from Europe. (only instructions)
I am considering to split the order in three to help the buyer not to pay import
fees (the threshold value is 22€)
Shall I insist the buyer to split the items, order and pay them separately? (so
three invoices too) or it doesn't matter really.

But would that not in turn mean 3 lots of postage charges? which would probably
wipe out any saving of import tax?
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Oct 19, 2019 00:39
 Subject: Re: Shipping/ import fees
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SezaR (236)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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In Selling, alexwilcox writes:
  In Selling, SezaR writes:
  I have an order from Europe. (only instructions)
I am considering to split the order in three to help the buyer not to pay import
fees (the threshold value is 22€)
Shall I insist the buyer to split the items, order and pay them separately? (so
three invoices too) or it doesn't matter really.

But would that not in turn mean 3 lots of postage charges? which would probably
wipe out any saving of import tax?

Each postage would cost about $6, so overall $10-12 more than if I ship them
all in one package.
The import fees (+processing fees) would be about $35-40.
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Oct 19, 2019 02:52
 Subject: Re: Shipping/ import fees
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In Selling, SezaR writes:
  I have an order from Europe. (only instructions)
I am considering to split the order in three to help the buyer not to pay import
fees (the threshold value is 22€)
Shall I insist the buyer to split the items, order and pay them separately? (so
three invoices too) or it doesn't matter really.

Check with your buyer first. Some countries in he EU have a different threshold
if you ship as a private individual as opposed to having the return address with
a business name and an invoice.
Also, in some countries it is probable that the parcel will be delivered at home
through a letter box. If it is too big, it might cause the buyer to have to go
the post office three times, an inconvenience some buyers do not want. Again,
check with the buyer;
Be sure to exclude the cost of shipping from the CN22 if you do split in three
as the shipping cost is mostly only added once a dutiable event is triggered;
Make sure you ship the parcels at least one week apart so as to avoid them ending
up in the same mailbag and being opened at the same time by the same customs
official. Obviously this causes some shipping delays.
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Oct 19, 2019 03:05
 Subject: Re: Shipping/ import fees
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SezaR (236)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Selling, bje writes:
  In Selling, SezaR writes:
  I have an order from Europe. (only instructions)
I am considering to split the order in three to help the buyer not to pay import
fees (the threshold value is 22€)
Shall I insist the buyer to split the items, order and pay them separately? (so
three invoices too) or it doesn't matter really.

Check with your buyer first. Some countries in he EU have a different threshold
if you ship as a private individual as opposed to having the return address with
a business name and an invoice.
Also, in some countries it is probable that the parcel will be delivered at home
through a letter box. If it is too big, it might cause the buyer to have to go
the post office three times, an inconvenience some buyers do not want. Again,
check with the buyer;
Be sure to exclude the cost of shipping from the CN22 if you do split in three
as the shipping cost is mostly only added once a dutiable event is triggered;
Make sure you ship the parcels at least one week apart so as to avoid them ending
up in the same mailbag and being opened at the same time by the same customs
official. Obviously this causes some shipping delays.

Three different order numbers, three payments, three parcels: I believe it would
be illegal if they charge the buyer any import fees.
 Author: maxx3001 View Messages Posted By maxx3001
 Posted: Oct 19, 2019 03:33
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maxx3001 (2083)

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In Selling, SezaR writes:
  In Selling, bje writes:
  In Selling, SezaR writes:
  I have an order from Europe. (only instructions)
I am considering to split the order in three to help the buyer not to pay import
fees (the threshold value is 22€)
Shall I insist the buyer to split the items, order and pay them separately? (so
three invoices too) or it doesn't matter really.

Check with your buyer first. Some countries in he EU have a different threshold
if you ship as a private individual as opposed to having the return address with
a business name and an invoice.
Also, in some countries it is probable that the parcel will be delivered at home
through a letter box. If it is too big, it might cause the buyer to have to go
the post office three times, an inconvenience some buyers do not want. Again,
check with the buyer;
Be sure to exclude the cost of shipping from the CN22 if you do split in three
as the shipping cost is mostly only added once a dutiable event is triggered;
Make sure you ship the parcels at least one week apart so as to avoid them ending
up in the same mailbag and being opened at the same time by the same customs
official. Obviously this causes some shipping delays.

Three different order numbers, three payments, three parcels: I believe it would
be illegal if they charge the buyer any import fees.

No, I have had the Dutch post just add them up

Check with your buyer, if it is only flat instructions and not a package, it
may just slip through....

I would chance it if I were the buyer, but it depends on the country it is going
to.
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Oct 19, 2019 03:37
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SezaR (236)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Selling, maxx3001 writes:
  In Selling, SezaR writes:
  In Selling, bje writes:
  In Selling, SezaR writes:
  I have an order from Europe. (only instructions)
I am considering to split the order in three to help the buyer not to pay import
fees (the threshold value is 22€)
Shall I insist the buyer to split the items, order and pay them separately? (so
three invoices too) or it doesn't matter really.

Check with your buyer first. Some countries in he EU have a different threshold
if you ship as a private individual as opposed to having the return address with
a business name and an invoice.
Also, in some countries it is probable that the parcel will be delivered at home
through a letter box. If it is too big, it might cause the buyer to have to go
the post office three times, an inconvenience some buyers do not want. Again,
check with the buyer;
Be sure to exclude the cost of shipping from the CN22 if you do split in three
as the shipping cost is mostly only added once a dutiable event is triggered;
Make sure you ship the parcels at least one week apart so as to avoid them ending
up in the same mailbag and being opened at the same time by the same customs
official. Obviously this causes some shipping delays.

Three different order numbers, three payments, three parcels: I believe it would
be illegal if they charge the buyer any import fees.

No, I have had the Dutch post just add them up

Check with your buyer, if it is only flat instructions and not a package, it
may just slip through....

I would chance it if I were the buyer, but it depends on the country it is going
to.

Your country!
 Author: maxx3001 View Messages Posted By maxx3001
 Posted: Oct 19, 2019 06:11
 Subject: Re: Shipping/ import fees
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In Selling, SezaR writes:
  In Selling, maxx3001 writes:
  In Selling, SezaR writes:
  In Selling, bje writes:
  In Selling, SezaR writes:
  I have an order from Europe. (only instructions)
I am considering to split the order in three to help the buyer not to pay import
fees (the threshold value is 22€)
Shall I insist the buyer to split the items, order and pay them separately? (so
three invoices too) or it doesn't matter really.

Check with your buyer first. Some countries in he EU have a different threshold
if you ship as a private individual as opposed to having the return address with
a business name and an invoice.
Also, in some countries it is probable that the parcel will be delivered at home
through a letter box. If it is too big, it might cause the buyer to have to go
the post office three times, an inconvenience some buyers do not want. Again,
check with the buyer;
Be sure to exclude the cost of shipping from the CN22 if you do split in three
as the shipping cost is mostly only added once a dutiable event is triggered;
Make sure you ship the parcels at least one week apart so as to avoid them ending
up in the same mailbag and being opened at the same time by the same customs
official. Obviously this causes some shipping delays.

Three different order numbers, three payments, three parcels: I believe it would
be illegal if they charge the buyer any import fees.

No, I have had the Dutch post just add them up

Check with your buyer, if it is only flat instructions and not a package, it
may just slip through....

I would chance it if I were the buyer, but it depends on the country it is going
to.

Your country!




Ask the buyer, but I would chance it if it is a flat envelop.
 Author: brick.bewdy View Messages Posted By brick.bewdy
 Posted: Oct 28, 2019 14:31
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In Selling, maxx3001 writes:
  In Selling, SezaR writes:
  In Selling, maxx3001 writes:
  In Selling, SezaR writes:
  In Selling, bje writes:
  In Selling, SezaR writes:
  I have an order from Europe. (only instructions)
I am considering to split the order in three to help the buyer not to pay import
fees (the threshold value is 22€)
Shall I insist the buyer to split the items, order and pay them separately? (so
three invoices too) or it doesn't matter really.

Check with your buyer first. Some countries in he EU have a different threshold
if you ship as a private individual as opposed to having the return address with
a business name and an invoice.
Also, in some countries it is probable that the parcel will be delivered at home
through a letter box. If it is too big, it might cause the buyer to have to go
the post office three times, an inconvenience some buyers do not want. Again,
check with the buyer;
Be sure to exclude the cost of shipping from the CN22 if you do split in three
as the shipping cost is mostly only added once a dutiable event is triggered;
Make sure you ship the parcels at least one week apart so as to avoid them ending
up in the same mailbag and being opened at the same time by the same customs
official. Obviously this causes some shipping delays.

Three different order numbers, three payments, three parcels: I believe it would
be illegal if they charge the buyer any import fees.

No, I have had the Dutch post just add them up

Check with your buyer, if it is only flat instructions and not a package, it
may just slip through....

I would chance it if I were the buyer, but it depends on the country it is going
to.

Your country!




Ask the buyer, but I would chance it if it is a flat envelop.

What is your Countries envelope height restrictions?
In Australia it is a maximum of 20mm thick.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Oct 19, 2019 07:07
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In Selling, SezaR writes:
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Three different order numbers, three payments, three parcels: I believe it would
be illegal if they charge the buyer any import fees.

On the contrary, in their view, it’s splitting an order to avoid taxes which’s
illegal
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Oct 19, 2019 09:44
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In Selling, SezaR writes:
  I have an order from Europe. (only instructions)
I am considering to split the order in three to help the buyer not to pay import
fees (the threshold value is 22€)
Shall I insist the buyer to split the items, order and pay them separately? (so
three invoices too) or it doesn't matter really.

I don't see a benefit of smurfing it over writing a lower value on the package.
Usually there are tons of members ready to express the evils of tax evasion,
I wonder where they went? I don't always feel quite as strongly as they
do, but I do agree it's best to keep things correct, especially to the EU.