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This is probably what is understood to be America First. Just my 2 cents.
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Stop the presses! At least some of them

It’s yet another outdated system established some 144 years ago.

Through it’s antiquated rules, The USPS (US tax payers) have been subsidizing
the cost of incoming mail from a host countries signed onto the agreement, to
the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

But beyond that, it’s an obvious unfair practice harming US companies and in
the age of e-commerce, individuals.

By way of example for anyone that’s made a eBay purchase from China: It cost
a Chinese company less to send a package to a US consumer or company, than it
does an American company (or individual) to send the same package, domestically.

The US has been in talks with the UPU members for over a year now. The first
members face-to-face talks started Friday just two days ago, at the Blair House
in DC. Led by Navarro’s team and US State Department reps. with the various reps
and ambassadors of the member countries. Several countries (in Europe and elsewhere)
are in full understanding and agreement that it needs to be renegotiated.

As per Navarro two days ago; If the US can’t get the votes needed to level the
playing field, it will leave the UPU next month Oct 17th as intended, and as
declared over a year ago by Trump.

Personally, I don’t think we’re there yet. Even if the weekend talks have stalled,
extensions can be made to the declared withdrawal date of 17 October

-Cory
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In Shipping, popsicle writes:
  In Shipping, tweegster writes:
  U.S. to leave global postal union next month barring last-minute action; exit
could send global parcel rates soaring
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Stop the presses! At least some of them

It’s yet another outdated system established some 144 years ago.

Through it’s antiquated rules, The USPS (US tax payers) have been subsidizing
the cost of incoming mail from a host countries signed onto the agreement, to
the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

But beyond that, it’s an obvious unfair practice harming US companies and in
the age of e-commerce, individuals.

By way of example for anyone that’s made a eBay purchase from China: It cost
a Chinese company less to send a package to a US consumer or company, than it
does an American company (or individual) to send the same package, domestically.

How?
USPS First Class package: First 3.04 oz: $3.94, 6.08 oz: $4.69, 10.2 oz: $5.53
China post Small parcel Airmail: First 3.04 oz: $4.24, 6.08 oz: $8.05 10.2 oz:
$11.86 and so on.

USPS rates from TX to NY where my freight forwarder is; China post rates from
a friend of mine in China, confirmed per https://www.chinapostaltracking.com/service/small-parcel-rate/

The whole fracas is only about the small parcel rate. USPS dropped that from
their range of services for international parcels as of Jan 1 this year. This
move effectively tripled the cost of your shipping to any international destination.
It does not affect letter post, Large Parcels, EMS or mag mail. It does affect
almost every BL order from outside the USA, except orders with a value of of
around $200 or more than 2kg (about 4lbs) in weight.

Coupled with that, USPS stopped their very efficient surface mail years ago in
favour of the very inefficient offering of airmail only or SAL only for complete
mail bags. I have it on good authority that mail bags are sometimes not full
when dispatched, leastways to here. Airmail is always more expensive. There is
probably a reasonable case to be made that your taxpayers are being hammered
because of operational inefficiencies. This is something you will have in common
with a great number of tax jurisdictions.

The idea for all of this only affects the small parcel airmail rates. Again,
something USPS does not even offer for US shippers any longer. Is the proposed
levelling of the playing field not to force everyone to do the same as USPS and
treat all goods mail as freight? This would effectively remove the small parcel
offering of the UPU which was intended not to penalise mail users with high costs
and long customs delays.

Unfortunately, developing nations with their already higher rates, will be paying
even more. Sadly also, our rates are fixed from March to April, so every taxpayer
here will be eating the cost for some portion of the year.

  
The US has been in talks with the UPU members for over a year now. The first
members face-to-face talks started Friday just two days ago, at the Blair House
in DC. Led by Navarro’s team and US State Department reps. with the various reps
and ambassadors of the member countries. Several countries (in Europe and elsewhere)
are in full understanding and agreement that it needs to be renegotiated.

As per Navarro two days ago; If the US can’t get the votes needed to level the
playing field, it will leave the UPU next month Oct 17th as intended, and as
declared over a year ago by Trump.


I'm sure there will be a deal, a very good deal... (couldn't resist )

  Personally, I don’t think we’re there yet. Even if the weekend talks have stalled,
extensions can be made to the declared withdrawal date of 17 October

-Cory
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  In Shipping, popsicle writes:
  In Shipping, tweegster writes:
  U.S. to leave global postal union next month barring last-minute action; exit
could send global parcel rates soaring
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Stop the presses! At least some of them

It’s yet another outdated system established some 144 years ago.

Through it’s antiquated rules, The USPS (US tax payers) have been subsidizing
the cost of incoming mail from a host countries signed onto the agreement, to
the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

But beyond that, it’s an obvious unfair practice harming US companies and in
the age of e-commerce, individuals.

By way of example for anyone that’s made a eBay purchase from China: It cost
a Chinese company less to send a package to a US consumer or company, than it
does an American company (or individual) to send the same package, domestically.

How?
USPS First Class package: First 3.04 oz: $3.94, 6.08 oz: $4.69, 10.2 oz: $5.53
China post Small parcel Airmail: First 3.04 oz: $4.24, 6.08 oz: $8.05 10.2 oz:
$11.86 and so on.

USPS rates from TX to NY where my freight forwarder is; China post rates from
a friend of mine in China, confirmed per https://www.chinapostaltracking.com/service/small-parcel-rate/

The whole fracas is only about the small parcel rate. USPS dropped that from
their range of services for international parcels as of Jan 1 this year. This
move effectively tripled the cost of your shipping to any international destination.
It does not affect letter post, Large Parcels, EMS or mag mail. It does affect
almost every BL order from outside the USA, except orders with a value of of
around $200 or more than 2kg (about 4lbs) in weight.

Coupled with that, USPS stopped their very efficient surface mail years ago in
favour of the very inefficient offering of airmail only or SAL only for complete
mail bags. I have it on good authority that mail bags are sometimes not full
when dispatched, leastways to here. Airmail is always more expensive. There is
probably a reasonable case to be made that your taxpayers are being hammered
because of operational inefficiencies. This is something you will have in common
with a great number of tax jurisdictions.

The idea for all of this only affects the small parcel airmail rates. Again,
something USPS does not even offer for US shippers any longer. Is the proposed
levelling of the playing field not to force everyone to do the same as USPS and
treat all goods mail as freight? This would effectively remove the small parcel
offering of the UPU which was intended not to penalise mail users with high costs
and long customs delays.

Unfortunately, developing nations with their already higher rates, will be paying
even more. Sadly also, our rates are fixed from March to April, so every taxpayer
here will be eating the cost for some portion of the year.

I never stop being taken aback (even considering my age) It’s almost fascinating
how much indoctrination overrides facts and on the ground reality.

I’ve no illusions of being able to reason with those that express themselves
with falsehoods and misleading statements as you do.

So I’ll just say this: It’s happening. Long held burdens are shifting, the world
will need to get used to carrying a little more of their own weight, developing
or not.

But regardless of yours or my wordy drivel, US self-declared rates ARE going
into place. The current admin’s trade team and Dept. of State are implementing
that as we speak. Navarro and his team will be going to Geneva the 23rd to see
if they can achieve the overdue adjustments towards a more level playing field.

But something tells me, those like you will continue to spin facts until acceptance
is all that is left to you

The US postmaster General herself, all US Postal Governors, Canada, Finland,
Sweden, National Association of Manufacturers, US Chamber of Commerce, etc, etc,
are all aboard.

-Cory
  

  
The US has been in talks with the UPU members for over a year now. The first
members face-to-face talks started Friday just two days ago, at the Blair House
in DC. Led by Navarro’s team and US State Department reps. with the various reps
and ambassadors of the member countries. Several countries (in Europe and elsewhere)
are in full understanding and agreement that it needs to be renegotiated.

As per Navarro two days ago; If the US can’t get the votes needed to level the
playing field, it will leave the UPU next month Oct 17th as intended, and as
declared over a year ago by Trump.


I'm sure there will be a deal, a very good deal... (couldn't resist )

And you'd be correct. (appreciate your humor, here )

  
  Personally, I don’t think we’re there yet. Even if the weekend talks have stalled,
extensions can be made to the declared withdrawal date of 17 October

-Cory
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By way of example for anyone that’s made a eBay purchase from China: It cost
a Chinese company less to send a package to a US consumer or company, than it
does an American company (or individual) to send the same package, domestically.

How?
USPS First Class package: First 3.04 oz: $3.94, 6.08 oz: $4.69, 10.2 oz: $5.53
China post Small parcel Airmail: First 3.04 oz: $4.24, 6.08 oz: $8.05 10.2 oz:
$11.86 and so on.

USPS rates from TX to NY where my freight forwarder is; China post rates from
a friend of mine in China, confirmed per https://www.chinapostaltracking.com/service/small-parcel-rate/


  
I’ve no illusions of being able to reason with those that express themselves
with falsehoods and misleading statements as you do.


Would you care to explain what is false? Because I was brainwashed into believing
that $11.86 is more than $5.53, which would mean your initial statement is inaccurate.

But if you are privy to some kind of higher-order math, please enlighten us so
we can stop offending your delicate sensibility to the truth.
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In Shipping, 62Bricks writes:
  
  
  
  
By way of example for anyone that’s made a eBay purchase from China: It cost
a Chinese company less to send a package to a US consumer or company, than it
does an American company (or individual) to send the same package, domestically.

How?
USPS First Class package: First 3.04 oz: $3.94, 6.08 oz: $4.69, 10.2 oz: $5.53
China post Small parcel Airmail: First 3.04 oz: $4.24, 6.08 oz: $8.05 10.2 oz:
$11.86 and so on.

USPS rates from TX to NY where my freight forwarder is; China post rates from
a friend of mine in China, confirmed per https://www.chinapostaltracking.com/service/small-parcel-rate/


  
I’ve no illusions of being able to reason with those that express themselves
with falsehoods and misleading statements as you do.


Would you care to explain what is false? Because I was brainwashed into believing
that $11.86 is more than $5.53, which would mean your initial statement is inaccurate.

But if you are privy to some kind of higher-order math, please enlighten us so
we can stop offending your delicate sensibility to the truth.

Well, aren't you cute with your numbers analogy?

The representation of USPS subsidized INCOMING mail from china, is where the
falsehoods lays.

If you're actually interested in answers (which you're obviously not)
you might spend the time on research instead of cheap shots.

What's more pressing for me, is that I've received two praising emails
regarding my reply to this post, one from a long-standing BL member with one
of the highest unimpeachable feedback ratings on BL. Neither member would post
their support here in the forum, but would take the time to send emails. Both
foundational members. It's a shame.

I think she and the other member, simply dislike what this forum has become.
It's become evermore clannish. By example; because I openly support Mark
(Mfav) the member you've had major clashes with, you carry your immature,
imbecilic wrath over to my posts?

In short, it's toxic.

Now, I'm under no illusion of my unpopularity with the forum regulars, but
try to think objectively from time to time, see how it feels. If you like it
keep doing it.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I'll follow the example of the two
members that contacted me, and leave you to it. Get some fresh air.

-Cory
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  Well, aren't you cute with your numbers analogy?

I don't think this was really an analogy.
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In Shipping, popsicle writes:
  In Shipping, 62Bricks writes:
  
  
  
  
By way of example for anyone that’s made a eBay purchase from China: It cost
a Chinese company less to send a package to a US consumer or company, than it
does an American company (or individual) to send the same package, domestically.

How?
USPS First Class package: First 3.04 oz: $3.94, 6.08 oz: $4.69, 10.2 oz: $5.53
China post Small parcel Airmail: First 3.04 oz: $4.24, 6.08 oz: $8.05 10.2 oz:
$11.86 and so on.

USPS rates from TX to NY where my freight forwarder is; China post rates from
a friend of mine in China, confirmed per https://www.chinapostaltracking.com/service/small-parcel-rate/


  
I’ve no illusions of being able to reason with those that express themselves
with falsehoods and misleading statements as you do.


Would you care to explain what is false? Because I was brainwashed into believing
that $11.86 is more than $5.53, which would mean your initial statement is inaccurate.

But if you are privy to some kind of higher-order math, please enlighten us so
we can stop offending your delicate sensibility to the truth.

Well, aren't you cute with your numbers analogy?

The representation of USPS subsidized INCOMING mail from china, is where the
falsehoods lays.

If you're actually interested in answers (which you're obviously not)
you might spend the time on research instead of cheap shots.

What's more pressing for me, is that I've received two praising emails
regarding my reply to this post, one from a long-standing BL member with one
of the highest unimpeachable feedback ratings on BL. Neither member would post
their support here in the forum, but would take the time to send emails. Both
foundational members. It's a shame.

I think she and the other member, simply dislike what this forum has become.
It's become evermore clannish. By example; because I openly support Mark
(Mfav) the member you've had major clashes with, you carry your immature,
imbecilic wrath over to my posts?

In short, it's toxic.

Now, I'm under no illusion of my unpopularity with the forum regulars, but
try to think objectively from time to time, see how it feels. If you like it
keep doing it.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I'll follow the example of the two
members that contacted me, and leave you to it. Get some fresh air.

-Cory

You engaged in some unnecessary hyperbole to make your point, and got called
out for it. Your response was immediately to start calling people liars, insulting
their intelligence and inventing conspiracy theories.

Toxic, indeed.
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In Shipping, popsicle writes:
  In Shipping, 62Bricks writes:
  
  
  
  
By way of example for anyone that’s made a eBay purchase from China: It cost
a Chinese company less to send a package to a US consumer or company, than it
does an American company (or individual) to send the same package, domestically.

How?
USPS First Class package: First 3.04 oz: $3.94, 6.08 oz: $4.69, 10.2 oz: $5.53
China post Small parcel Airmail: First 3.04 oz: $4.24, 6.08 oz: $8.05 10.2 oz:
$11.86 and so on.

USPS rates from TX to NY where my freight forwarder is; China post rates from
a friend of mine in China, confirmed per https://www.chinapostaltracking.com/service/small-parcel-rate/


  
I’ve no illusions of being able to reason with those that express themselves
with falsehoods and misleading statements as you do.


Would you care to explain what is false? Because I was brainwashed into believing
that $11.86 is more than $5.53, which would mean your initial statement is inaccurate.

But if you are privy to some kind of higher-order math, please enlighten us so
we can stop offending your delicate sensibility to the truth.

Well, aren't you cute with your numbers analogy?

The representation of USPS subsidized INCOMING mail from china, is where the
falsehoods lays.

If you're actually interested in answers (which you're obviously not)
you might spend the time on research instead of cheap shots.

What's more pressing for me, is that I've received two praising emails
regarding my reply to this post, one from a long-standing BL member with one
of the highest unimpeachable feedback ratings on BL. Neither member would post
their support here in the forum, but would take the time to send emails. Both
foundational members. It's a shame.

I think she and the other member, simply dislike what this forum has become.
It's become evermore clannish. By example; because I openly support Mark
(Mfav) the member you've had major clashes with, you carry your immature,
imbecilic wrath over to my posts?

In short, it's toxic.

Now, I'm under no illusion of my unpopularity with the forum regulars, but
try to think objectively from time to time, see how it feels. If you like it
keep doing it.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I'll follow the example of the two
members that contacted me, and leave you to it. Get some fresh air.

-Cory

I'm not interested in debating the topic so I will say this regardless of
who is right and who is wrong:
You call it clannish, but it's basically people with the same set of facts
and similar common sense responses to these facts, and then you who has an alternative
interpretation that nobody expected (or me, at least - first time I hear someone
who would actually defend this type of thing, someone who's not a politician
or a CEO at least). Which is ok, it sounds like you are an independent thinker
and deliberately try to find alternative unexpected ways of looking at things
to pit yourself opposite to the common sentiment. Which is totally OK, and sometimes
it's pretty nice when people can be that way. But then please don't complain
about how everyone is against you, because you're the one who chose challenge
the general opinion.
Good news is that it probably isn't very personal. Claims that are unexpected
and go against the grain are usually met with scepsis, and that's usually
a good thing too.

I think the problem is mostly that you have a wildy different logic or interpretation
(not meaning you can not be right) but instead of treating it as something that
goes against the grain, you present wild claims ("an outdated system") as if
it is a totally common knowledge and won't be met with.. surprise, to say
the least.

Long story short, you cannot casually throw in a view that turns everything upside
down. Either you post casually in line with common understanding, or you challenge
common understanding by going into discussion and providing evidence to back
it up (extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, after all). Sometimes
you're saying things opposite to anything I ever heard people say, and at
the same time have an attitude as if you just said that the sky is blue. I can
totally see how the combination of these two factors leads to frustrations.
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  Long story short, you cannot casually throw in a view that turns everything upside
down. Either you post casually in line with common understanding, or you challenge
common understanding by going into discussion and providing evidence to back
it up (extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, after all). Sometimes
you're saying things opposite to anything I ever heard people say, and at
the same time have an attitude as if you just said that the sky is blue.

The sky is not blue
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In Shipping, 62Bricks writes:
  
  
  
  
By way of example for anyone that’s made a eBay purchase from China: It cost
a Chinese company less to send a package to a US consumer or company, than it
does an American company (or individual) to send the same package, domestically.

How?
USPS First Class package: First 3.04 oz: $3.94, 6.08 oz: $4.69, 10.2 oz: $5.53
China post Small parcel Airmail: First 3.04 oz: $4.24, 6.08 oz: $8.05 10.2 oz:
$11.86 and so on.

USPS rates from TX to NY where my freight forwarder is; China post rates from
a friend of mine in China, confirmed per https://www.chinapostaltracking.com/service/small-parcel-rate/


  
I’ve no illusions of being able to reason with those that express themselves
with falsehoods and misleading statements as you do.


Would you care to explain what is false? Because I was brainwashed into believing
that $11.86 is more than $5.53, which would mean your initial statement is inaccurate.

But if you are privy to some kind of higher-order math, please enlighten us so
we can stop offending your delicate sensibility to the truth.


This is obviously what is called alternative facts. Why we need engineers, scientists,
data, observations, measurements etc. when there are political leaders that know
the absolute truth? This feels like going back to the Middle Ages.
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This feels like going back to the Middle Ages.

I’m not sure we ever left the Neolithic.
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In Shipping, SylvainLS writes:

  I’m not sure we ever left the Neolithic.

Hilarious, as always !

Too bad Fox Mulder isn't around
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In Shipping, manganschlamm writes:
  In Shipping, 62Bricks writes:
  
  
  
  
By way of example for anyone that’s made a eBay purchase from China: It cost
a Chinese company less to send a package to a US consumer or company, than it
does an American company (or individual) to send the same package, domestically.

How?
USPS First Class package: First 3.04 oz: $3.94, 6.08 oz: $4.69, 10.2 oz: $5.53
China post Small parcel Airmail: First 3.04 oz: $4.24, 6.08 oz: $8.05 10.2 oz:
$11.86 and so on.

USPS rates from TX to NY where my freight forwarder is; China post rates from
a friend of mine in China, confirmed per https://www.chinapostaltracking.com/service/small-parcel-rate/


  
I’ve no illusions of being able to reason with those that express themselves
with falsehoods and misleading statements as you do.


Would you care to explain what is false? Because I was brainwashed into believing
that $11.86 is more than $5.53, which would mean your initial statement is inaccurate.

But if you are privy to some kind of higher-order math, please enlighten us so
we can stop offending your delicate sensibility to the truth.


This is obviously what is called alternative facts. Why we need engineers, scientists,
data, observations, measurements etc. when there are political leaders that know
the absolute truth? This feels like going back to the Middle Ages.

How do you explain knock-off crap fake Lego from aliexpress then? Somehow those
sellers can ship a figure for less than $1 with free shipping to the US.

China has some weird under the table deal with USPS that's probably only
benefiting them.

And if the US tax payer is getting screwed on that deal by subsidizing freight
that China (and by extension, their customers) should be paying, then I say good
riddance.
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In Shipping, Adjour writes:
  In Shipping, velocity.rex writes:
  In Shipping, manganschlamm writes:
  In Shipping, 62Bricks writes:
  
  
  
  
By way of example for anyone that’s made a eBay purchase from China: It cost
a Chinese company less to send a package to a US consumer or company, than it
does an American company (or individual) to send the same package, domestically.

How?
USPS First Class package: First 3.04 oz: $3.94, 6.08 oz: $4.69, 10.2 oz: $5.53
China post Small parcel Airmail: First 3.04 oz: $4.24, 6.08 oz: $8.05 10.2 oz:
$11.86 and so on.

USPS rates from TX to NY where my freight forwarder is; China post rates from
a friend of mine in China, confirmed per https://www.chinapostaltracking.com/service/small-parcel-rate/


  
I’ve no illusions of being able to reason with those that express themselves
with falsehoods and misleading statements as you do.


Would you care to explain what is false? Because I was brainwashed into believing
that $11.86 is more than $5.53, which would mean your initial statement is inaccurate.

But if you are privy to some kind of higher-order math, please enlighten us so
we can stop offending your delicate sensibility to the truth.


This is obviously what is called alternative facts. Why we need engineers, scientists,
data, observations, measurements etc. when there are political leaders that know
the absolute truth? This feels like going back to the Middle Ages.

How do you explain knock-off crap fake Lego from aliexpress then? Somehow those
sellers can ship a figure for less than $1 with free shipping to the US.

China has some weird under the table deal with USPS that's probably only
benefiting them.

And if the US tax payer is getting screwed on that deal by subsidizing freight
that China (and by extension, their customers) should be paying, then I say good
riddance.

My understanding was that the chinese govt was subsidizing it (not the US, or
USPS, or whatever) so that Americans would continue to purchase cheap Chinese
goods.


I never researched it further. Some one would have to do their due diligence.


Yeah, a quick search says I'm wrong. So much bad info everywhere these days
it sad.
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In Shipping, Adjour writes:
  In Shipping, Adjour writes:
  In Shipping, velocity.rex writes:
  In Shipping, manganschlamm writes:
  In Shipping, 62Bricks writes:
  
  
  
  
By way of example for anyone that’s made a eBay purchase from China: It cost
a Chinese company less to send a package to a US consumer or company, than it
does an American company (or individual) to send the same package, domestically.

How?
USPS First Class package: First 3.04 oz: $3.94, 6.08 oz: $4.69, 10.2 oz: $5.53
China post Small parcel Airmail: First 3.04 oz: $4.24, 6.08 oz: $8.05 10.2 oz:
$11.86 and so on.

USPS rates from TX to NY where my freight forwarder is; China post rates from
a friend of mine in China, confirmed per https://www.chinapostaltracking.com/service/small-parcel-rate/


  
I’ve no illusions of being able to reason with those that express themselves
with falsehoods and misleading statements as you do.


Would you care to explain what is false? Because I was brainwashed into believing
that $11.86 is more than $5.53, which would mean your initial statement is inaccurate.

But if you are privy to some kind of higher-order math, please enlighten us so
we can stop offending your delicate sensibility to the truth.


This is obviously what is called alternative facts. Why we need engineers, scientists,
data, observations, measurements etc. when there are political leaders that know
the absolute truth? This feels like going back to the Middle Ages.

How do you explain knock-off crap fake Lego from aliexpress then? Somehow those
sellers can ship a figure for less than $1 with free shipping to the US.

China has some weird under the table deal with USPS that's probably only
benefiting them.

And if the US tax payer is getting screwed on that deal by subsidizing freight
that China (and by extension, their customers) should be paying, then I say good
riddance.

My understanding was that the chinese govt was subsidizing it (not the US, or
USPS, or whatever) so that Americans would continue to purchase cheap Chinese
goods.


I never researched it further. Some one would have to do their due diligence.


Yeah, a quick search says I'm wrong. So much bad info everywhere these days
it sad.

I love it that you checked and reported back though. That's an excellent
habit.
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