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 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
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Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory
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In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

I believe "all brands" as been there from the beginning.
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
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In Help, Cob writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

I believe "all brands" as been there from the beginning.

+1 - It has. I cannot find the message which was put out by Jaclyn after the
furore of the Brickarms saga but in it she suggested they would always consider
adding other brands but not clones, or something like that. Nothing else ever
emerged from that but who really knows what the intentions of BL management are.
With the various tangents they tend to move off onto, almost anything is possible.

A mission statement - dreamer
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In Help, calsbricks writes:
  In Help, Cob writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

I believe "all brands" as been there from the beginning.

+1 - It has. I cannot find the message which was put out by Jaclyn after the
furore of the Brickarms saga but in it she suggested they would always consider
adding other brands but not clones, or something like that. Nothing else ever
emerged from that but who really knows what the intentions of BL management are.
With the various tangents they tend to move off onto, almost anything is possible.

A mission statement - dreamer

As far as I know, there will be no more brands added to BrickLink and the BrickArms
addition may be depricated. These were stipulations by LEGO for the ADP to happen.

Cheers,
Randy
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In Help, randyf writes:
  In Help, calsbricks writes:
  In Help, Cob writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

I believe "all brands" as been there from the beginning.

+1 - It has. I cannot find the message which was put out by Jaclyn after the
furore of the Brickarms saga but in it she suggested they would always consider
adding other brands but not clones, or something like that. Nothing else ever
emerged from that but who really knows what the intentions of BL management are.
With the various tangents they tend to move off onto, almost anything is possible.

A mission statement - dreamer

As far as I know, there will be no more brands added to BrickLink and the BrickArms
addition may be depricated. These were stipulations by LEGO for the ADP to happen.

Cheers,
Randy

Interesting and lets hope it materialises in that way.
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In Help, randyf writes:
  In Help, calsbricks writes:
  In Help, Cob writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

I believe "all brands" as been there from the beginning.

+1 - It has. I cannot find the message which was put out by Jaclyn after the
furore of the Brickarms saga but in it she suggested they would always consider
adding other brands but not clones, or something like that. Nothing else ever
emerged from that but who really knows what the intentions of BL management are.
With the various tangents they tend to move off onto, almost anything is possible.

A mission statement - dreamer

As far as I know, there will be no more brands added to BrickLink and the BrickArms
addition may be depricated. These were stipulations by LEGO for the ADP to happen.

Thanks for shining a little more light on the current thinking.

"depricated" can you clarify? Did you mean to say: depreciated?
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In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, randyf writes:
  In Help, calsbricks writes:
  In Help, Cob writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

I believe "all brands" as been there from the beginning.

+1 - It has. I cannot find the message which was put out by Jaclyn after the
furore of the Brickarms saga but in it she suggested they would always consider
adding other brands but not clones, or something like that. Nothing else ever
emerged from that but who really knows what the intentions of BL management are.
With the various tangents they tend to move off onto, almost anything is possible.

A mission statement - dreamer

As far as I know, there will be no more brands added to BrickLink and the BrickArms
addition may be depricated. These were stipulations by LEGO for the ADP to happen.

Thanks for shining a little more light on the current thinking.

"depricated" can you clarify? Did you mean to say: depreciated?

Oops. That should have read "deprecated".
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In Help, randyf writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, randyf writes:
  In Help, calsbricks writes:
  In Help, Cob writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

I believe "all brands" as been there from the beginning.

+1 - It has. I cannot find the message which was put out by Jaclyn after the
furore of the Brickarms saga but in it she suggested they would always consider
adding other brands but not clones, or something like that. Nothing else ever
emerged from that but who really knows what the intentions of BL management are.
With the various tangents they tend to move off onto, almost anything is possible.

A mission statement - dreamer

As far as I know, there will be no more brands added to BrickLink and the BrickArms
addition may be depricated. These were stipulations by LEGO for the ADP to happen.

Thanks for shining a little more light on the current thinking.

"depricated" can you clarify? Did you mean to say: depreciated?

Oops. That should have read "deprecated".

Ahhh, that makes more sense than my thinking on it. It also makes sense that
TLG would stipulate that.
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In Help, randyf writes:

  
  +1 - It has. I cannot find the message which was put out by Jaclyn after the
furore of the Brickarms saga but in it she suggested they would always consider
adding other brands but not clones, or something like that. Nothing else ever
emerged from that but who really knows what the intentions of BL management are.
With the various tangents they tend to move off onto, almost anything is possible.

A mission statement - dreamer

As far as I know, there will be no more brands added to BrickLink and the BrickArms
addition may be depricated. These were stipulations by LEGO for the ADP to happen.

Cheers,
Randy

Just to give a bit of context to this discussion, the addition of BrickArms to
the catalog was a touchy subject ever from the beginning, and as none of our
catalog admins felt comfortable with it, the whole process was done in-office
by BrickLink staff, save a few color images that were contributed by the community.

Interest in buying BrickArms items on BrickLink never really gained much traction,
and there came a point where we decided we would not invest further in building
that part of the catalog. And to quell some members' objections to the brand,
we installed and fine tuned a brand filter.

In fact, we discovered a loophole in the new wanted list feature that was allowing
regular catalog items to be listed in BrickArms colors (a whole palette of colors
had to be added to the catalog to help keep the brands completely separate).
By the time we discovered the bug, there were hundreds of items wrongly added
in this way, some done probably by accident, and some done for sure from a nefarious
standpoint, e.g. swaths of standard bricks "wanted" in BA Trans-Pink or the like.

These "wanted' items would of course appear on the catalog pages of these
standard bricks, and had to be manually deleted or the item merged through the
Xref function. After dealing with all of this, it became clear that BrickArms
had become much more trouble than it was worth. I won't reveal any sales
statistics, but suffice it to say there was nothing there to encourage us otherwise.

Fast forward a few months to when we started talking with the LEGO Group about
ADP. It will come as a surprise to no one that the LEGO Group is a very "brand
aware" company and in particular they do not want their brand associated with
any other brand of "Lego-compatible" toys, with the exception of perhaps certain
robotics items in the LEGO Education sphere, where they have developed a formal
partnership.

And in the case of BrickArms, there is the added issue of the modern military
theme, which the LEGO Group has stayed very far away from for many years.

So we were asked to come up with a solution, so that ADP (and by extension the
LEGO brand) would not be tainted by our recent leanings toward the BrickArms
brand. Our solution was that we would hide all BrickArms catalog entries and
listings, and show them only to people who would "opt in" to see them. We didn't
feel it was wise at the time, given that ADP was only a pilot program, that we
remove the BrickArms brand entirely from the catalog.

We also elected not to publicize the hiding of BrickArms, because honestly we
didn't want another 700-post thread about the issue right when we were starting
ADP.

Going forward, I don't imagine a scenario where we start another round of
ADP and still have BrickArms in the catalog. I suppose we could make the case
that they are so well hidden that it's practically a moot point, but what's
the benefit of having something in your catalog that you are perpetually trying
to hide from the public? There are some side-effects too, like the intrusion
of BrickArms colors, etc into BrickStock, that would need be fixed.
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In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Help, randyf writes:

  
  +1 - It has. I cannot find the message which was put out by Jaclyn after the
furore of the Brickarms saga but in it she suggested they would always consider
adding other brands but not clones, or something like that. Nothing else ever
emerged from that but who really knows what the intentions of BL management are.
With the various tangents they tend to move off onto, almost anything is possible.

A mission statement - dreamer

As far as I know, there will be no more brands added to BrickLink and the BrickArms
addition may be depricated. These were stipulations by LEGO for the ADP to happen.

Cheers,
Randy

Just to give a bit of context to this discussion, the addition of BrickArms to
the catalog was a touchy subject ever from the beginning, and as none of our
catalog admins felt comfortable with it, the whole process was done in-office
by BrickLink staff, save a few color images that were contributed by the community.

Interest in buying BrickArms items on BrickLink never really gained much traction,
and there came a point where we decided we would not invest further in building
that part of the catalog. And to quell some members' objections to the brand,
we installed and fine tuned a brand filter.

In fact, we discovered a loophole in the new wanted list feature that was allowing
regular catalog items to be listed in BrickArms colors (a whole palette of colors
had to be added to the catalog to help keep the brands completely separate).
By the time we discovered the bug, there were hundreds of items wrongly added
in this way, some done probably by accident, and some done for sure from a nefarious
standpoint, e.g. swaths of standard bricks "wanted" in BA Trans-Pink or the like.

These "wanted' items would of course appear on the catalog pages of these
standard bricks, and had to be manually deleted or the item merged through the
Xref function. After dealing with all of this, it became clear that BrickArms
had become much more trouble than it was worth. I won't reveal any sales
statistics, but suffice it to say there was nothing there to encourage us otherwise.

Fast forward a few months to when we started talking with the LEGO Group about
ADP. It will come as a surprise to no one that the LEGO Group is a very "brand
aware" company and in particular they do not want their brand associated with
any other brand of "Lego-compatible" toys, with the exception of perhaps certain
robotics items in the LEGO Education sphere, where they have developed a formal
partnership.

And in the case of BrickArms, there is the added issue of the modern military
theme, which the LEGO Group has stayed very far away from for many years.

So we were asked to come up with a solution, so that ADP (and by extension the
LEGO brand) would not be tainted by our recent leanings toward the BrickArms
brand. Our solution was that we would hide all BrickArms catalog entries and
listings, and show them only to people who would "opt in" to see them. We didn't
feel it was wise at the time, given that ADP was only a pilot program, that we
remove the BrickArms brand entirely from the catalog.

We also elected not to publicize the hiding of BrickArms, because honestly we
didn't want another 700-post thread about the issue right when we were starting
ADP.

Going forward, I don't imagine a scenario where we start another round of
ADP and still have BrickArms in the catalog. I suppose we could make the case
that they are so well hidden that it's practically a moot point, but what's
the benefit of having something in your catalog that you are perpetually trying
to hide from the public? There are some side-effects too, like the intrusion
of BrickArms colors, etc into BrickStock, that would need be fixed.

Thanks for the post Russell, interesting read! I appreciate it that you share
some of these things. Haha, the trans pink rebellion.... I totally forgot about
that (I also forgot to what extend I participated or maybe came up with the
idea... Conveniently, perhaps )

As someone who recently built a webshop, I can totally see how adding an entire
dimension such as a brand to the site can have repercussions all over the place.
Definitely an ambitious addition, and that "leak" comes as no surprise. This
requires extensive testing, by a robust testing team. Bricklink already barely
manages to contain the bugs it is experiencing in its core functionality at times,
so expansions like that are not the best move if you ask me. Much better to direct
Bricklink's scarce resources on something more realistic, more profitable
and more in line with what is desired.... but obviously that lesson is already
learned by now
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In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Help, randyf writes:

  
  +1 - It has. I cannot find the message which was put out by Jaclyn after the
furore of the Brickarms saga but in it she suggested they would always consider
adding other brands but not clones, or something like that. Nothing else ever
emerged from that but who really knows what the intentions of BL management are.
With the various tangents they tend to move off onto, almost anything is possible.

A mission statement - dreamer

As far as I know, there will be no more brands added to BrickLink and the BrickArms
addition may be depricated. These were stipulations by LEGO for the ADP to happen.

Cheers,
Randy

Just to give a bit of context to this discussion, the addition of BrickArms to
the catalog was a touchy subject ever from the beginning, and as none of our
catalog admins felt comfortable with it, the whole process was done in-office
by BrickLink staff, save a few color images that were contributed by the community.

Interest in buying BrickArms items on BrickLink never really gained much traction,
and there came a point where we decided we would not invest further in building
that part of the catalog. And to quell some members' objections to the brand,
we installed and fine tuned a brand filter.

In fact, we discovered a loophole in the new wanted list feature that was allowing
regular catalog items to be listed in BrickArms colors (a whole palette of colors
had to be added to the catalog to help keep the brands completely separate).
By the time we discovered the bug, there were hundreds of items wrongly added
in this way, some done probably by accident, and some done for sure from a nefarious
standpoint, e.g. swaths of standard bricks "wanted" in BA Trans-Pink or the like.

These "wanted' items would of course appear on the catalog pages of these
standard bricks, and had to be manually deleted or the item merged through the
Xref function. After dealing with all of this, it became clear that BrickArms
had become much more trouble than it was worth. I won't reveal any sales
statistics, but suffice it to say there was nothing there to encourage us otherwise.

Fast forward a few months to when we started talking with the LEGO Group about
ADP. It will come as a surprise to no one that the LEGO Group is a very "brand
aware" company and in particular they do not want their brand associated with
any other brand of "Lego-compatible" toys, with the exception of perhaps certain
robotics items in the LEGO Education sphere, where they have developed a formal
partnership.

And in the case of BrickArms, there is the added issue of the modern military
theme, which the LEGO Group has stayed very far away from for many years.

So we were asked to come up with a solution, so that ADP (and by extension the
LEGO brand) would not be tainted by our recent leanings toward the BrickArms
brand. Our solution was that we would hide all BrickArms catalog entries and
listings, and show them only to people who would "opt in" to see them. We didn't
feel it was wise at the time, given that ADP was only a pilot program, that we
remove the BrickArms brand entirely from the catalog.

We also elected not to publicize the hiding of BrickArms, because honestly we
didn't want another 700-post thread about the issue right when we were starting
ADP.

Going forward, I don't imagine a scenario where we start another round of
ADP and still have BrickArms in the catalog. I suppose we could make the case
that they are so well hidden that it's practically a moot point, but what's
the benefit of having something in your catalog that you are perpetually trying
to hide from the public? There are some side-effects too, like the intrusion
of BrickArms colors, etc into BrickStock, that would need be fixed.

A lot of helpful context, given. Thank you.
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  Interest in buying BrickArms items on BrickLink never really gained much traction,
and there came a point where we decided we would not invest further in building
that part of the catalog. And to quell some members' objections to the brand,
we installed and fine tuned a brand filter.

It doesn't really bother me if they are in the catalogue or not. Having them
in has the advantage that prices and sales volumes can be tracked but of course
there is the downside that someone has to do the work to add them. Plus the problems
with colours as you mention, although a decent coder should be able to exclude
LEGO parts being added in non-LEGO brand colours.

It always seemed a bit odd that one company was allowed in but others such as
brickforge and brickwarriors were not, although I guess that was down to negotiations
with those companies.

If they are removed from the catalogue longer term, I would however hope that
sellers are still allowed to add them as custom items - the same as they were
allowed to be added dating way back under the ownership of Dan Jezek.
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In Help, Cob writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

I believe "all brands" as been there from the beginning.

I don't remember it "being there from the beginning".

Below is a link to Jaclyn's introduction to the idea post, and sandbox. This
is well before her announcement of the implementation. I've supplied a screenshot
of some key wording within her very nicely worded intro. to the plan

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1065576
 
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In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, Cob writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

I believe "all brands" as been there from the beginning.

I don't remember it "being there from the beginning".

Below is a link to Jaclyn's introduction to the idea post, and sandbox. This
is well before her announcement of the implementation. I've supplied a screenshot
of some key wording within her very nicely worded intro. to the plan

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1065576

I think you may find that the focus has altered somewhat since those days. Firstly
the AFOL program has come and gone and with that, as mentioned by randyf rules
were set in motion, and secondly the almost 100% focus on Bricklink express which
we understand will launch as Phase 2 at the end of the year. There simply isn't
enough resource available within the organisation to take on anything more, unless
the owner reaches into his pockets and finances it (past evidence plus his desire
to sell the investment portfolio probably means that isn't going to happen
either. We could be safe from yet another tangent - at least for a while. (ONE
CAN HOPE)
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In Help, calsbricks writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, Cob writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

I believe "all brands" as been there from the beginning.

I don't remember it "being there from the beginning".

Below is a link to Jaclyn's introduction to the idea post, and sandbox. This
is well before her announcement of the implementation. I've supplied a screenshot
of some key wording within her very nicely worded intro. to the plan

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1065576

I think you may find that the focus has altered somewhat since those days. Firstly
the AFOL program has come and gone and with that, as mentioned by randyf rules
were set in motion, and secondly the almost 100% focus on Bricklink express which
we understand will launch as Phase 2 at the end of the year. There simply isn't
enough resource available within the organisation to take on anything more, unless
the owner reaches into his pockets and finances it (past evidence plus his desire
to sell the investment portfolio probably means that isn't going to happen
either. We could be safe from yet another tangent - at least for a while. (ONE
CAN HOPE)

Thanks
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In Help, calsbricks writes:

  I think you may find that the focus has altered somewhat since those days. Firstly
the AFOL program has come and gone and with that, as mentioned by randyf rules
were set in motion, and secondly the almost 100% focus on Bricklink express which
we understand will launch as Phase 2 at the end of the year. There simply isn't
enough resource available within the organisation to take on anything more, unless
the owner reaches into his pockets and finances it (past evidence plus his desire
to sell the investment portfolio probably means that isn't going to happen
either. We could be safe from yet another tangent - at least for a while. (ONE
CAN HOPE)

Gods, I'm afraid to ask. What is Bricklink Express?
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In Help, mmookk61 writes:
  In Help, calsbricks writes:

  I think you may find that the focus has altered somewhat since those days. Firstly
the AFOL program has come and gone and with that, as mentioned by randyf rules
were set in motion, and secondly the almost 100% focus on Bricklink express which
we understand will launch as Phase 2 at the end of the year. There simply isn't
enough resource available within the organisation to take on anything more, unless
the owner reaches into his pockets and finances it (past evidence plus his desire
to sell the investment portfolio probably means that isn't going to happen
either. We could be safe from yet another tangent - at least for a while. (ONE
CAN HOPE)

Gods, I'm afraid to ask. What is Bricklink Express?

according to the head of development and acting ceo it is the future of Bricklink.
it is been described as an amazon/eBay business model. it will probably work
via Google search and is really aimed at the 'soccer moms' who want a
set for little Johnny. there is no real detail available other than the Brickworld
presentation last year.

there are countless questions about it but no answers from BL and no dialogue.
things might have changed but we doubt it

if anyone knows any more happy to hear from you
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In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, Cob writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

I believe "all brands" as been there from the beginning.

I don't remember it "being there from the beginning".

Below is a link to Jaclyn's introduction to the idea post, and sandbox. This
is well before her announcement of the implementation. I've supplied a screenshot
of some key wording within her very nicely worded intro. to the plan

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1065576

Actually yes, Cory, I do remember that it was there from the moment that BrickArms
was added.

Jaclyn... haha. The other day I placed a PayPal order and was surprised to find
that they still haven't changed this page where Jaclyn instructs you
to mark the order as paid. It's been quite a while since she's been fired,
you'd think that by now they'd have replaced that picture by another
admin or something like that.. oh well.. Bricklink inertia
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In Help, Teup writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, Cob writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

I believe "all brands" as been there from the beginning.

I don't remember it "being there from the beginning".

Below is a link to Jaclyn's introduction to the idea post, and sandbox. This
is well before her announcement of the implementation. I've supplied a screenshot
of some key wording within her very nicely worded intro. to the plan

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1065576

Actually yes, Cory, I do remember that it was there from the moment that BrickArms
was added.

I think there's a misunderstanding here. As to my reply to Cob's statement
"I believe all brands as been there from the beginning" I took it as on BL from
the start, which it has not been. In my original post, I'm asking the genesis
of the "All Brands" addition, both the reasoning and when it was introduced.

Re-read my original post, hopefully you'll be back on track for a meeting
of the minds
  
Jaclyn... haha. The other day I placed a PayPal order and was surprised to find
that they still haven't changed this page where Jaclyn instructs you
to mark the order as paid. It's been quite a while since she's been fired,
you'd think that by now they'd have replaced that picture by another
admin or something like that.. oh well.. Bricklink inertia

Never noticed it. Thanks, I'll look for it.
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In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

Currently, only LEGO (idBrand: 1000) and BrickArms (idBrand: 1001) are defined
in the database, see https://www.bricklink.com/js/allVars.js # varArrayCategory

The way it is implemented seems to indicate they had plans to allow for more
brands. Judging Randy's comment, 'plans' it remains.

Hans-Peter
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In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

Currently, only LEGO (idBrand: 1000) and BrickArms (idBrand: 1001) are defined
in the database, see https://www.bricklink.com/js/allVars.js # varArrayCategor

The way it is implemented seems to indicate they had plans to allow for more
brands. Judging Randy's comment, 'plans' it remains.

Thanks, Hans-Peter for shedding yet more light upon the topic. But for me, the
AFOL Designer Program Sets fall under the search option "All Brands"
 
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In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

What little I know of the timeline-of-events, was that the All Brands
listing option was put into place first, allowing BrickArms an in, onto BL’s
platform. I remember Jaclyn's announcement: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1071320

Entirely possible I've got it all wrong, as clueless to site updates as I
feel like most of the time

Was folding BrickArms into BL the original intent for the adding of the All
Brands
listing option? Or was the option's genesis to be an umbrella
term for the planned introduction of other brands?

Are there plans or thoughts of adding more brands? Should there be? (I've
no opinion on this last question, just curious of what others think)

Maybe there’s a mission statement of sorts, that spell out these points? If so,
direction to it would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Cory

Currently, only LEGO (idBrand: 1000) and BrickArms (idBrand: 1001) are defined
in the database, see https://www.bricklink.com/js/allVars.js # varArrayCategor

The way it is implemented seems to indicate they had plans to allow for more
brands. Judging Randy's comment, 'plans' it remains.

Thanks, Hans-Peter for shedding yet more light upon the topic. But for me, the
AFOL Designer Program Sets fall under the search option "All Brands"

Ah sorry, was a bit distracted here, read the post properly now

I see the AFOL designer sets under LEGO, though. So the AFOL designer sets don't
appear to have a different brand status than other LEGO sets as far as I can
see. Seems like that whole brand filter is still only about distinguishing Brickarms.
What the future is gonna bring nobody knows, I wouldn't even bother to predict
anything since Bricklink 's changes don't seem to have anything to do
with logic or preditability
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  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

Does the filter even work for the AFOL sets?

For example, if I search for a brickarms named part (say, A280C) but with LEGO
as the only brand, then I do not see the brickarms part in the search. The search
fails.

Whereas if I search for Skyline and restrict to LEGO only, I am still presented
with a non-LEGO set - the Skyline Express. This suggests that it is a LEGO set,
as I had a filter for genuine LEGO only. And even on the page for that item,
I cannot see any indication that this is not a genuine LEGO set. It tells me
it is an AFOL Designer Program set, but there is no indication that this is not
LEGO's own brand. I don't think enough is done to make it clear that
these are not genuine LEGO sets. There are other in-betweener type sets from
LEGO certified builders that could be added with similar status, but are not
as they are not genuine LEGO.

And while the AFOL sets are being discussed, when will the massive front page
advert for them go? The top of the main page (which covers most of my browser
screen) is devoted to these sets: "Don't pass up your last chance to own
a limited edition AFOL Designer set!" Given that BL are no longer selling them,
isn't this a bit disingenuous? These will always be available on the secondary
market so long as resellers have one for sale or collectors no longer want them
and will sell them second hand. The same is true of any retired LEGO set.
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In Help, yorbrick writes:
  
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

Does the filter even work for the AFOL sets?

For example, if I search for a brickarms named part (say, A280C) but with LEGO
as the only brand, then I do not see the brickarms part in the search. The search
fails.

Whereas if I search for Skyline and restrict to LEGO only, I am still presented
with a non-LEGO set - the Skyline Express. This suggests that it is a LEGO set,
as I had a filter for genuine LEGO only. And even on the page for that item,
I cannot see any indication that this is not a genuine LEGO set. It tells me
it is an AFOL Designer Program set, but there is no indication that this is not
LEGO's own brand. I don't think enough is done to make it clear that
these are not genuine LEGO sets. There are other in-betweener type sets from
LEGO certified builders that could be added with similar status, but are not
as they are not genuine LEGO.

Yes, the ADP sets are consistently listed as genuine LEGO sets. If you check
the (LEGO only) set catalog, the ADP is a category, on a par with themes like
City and Space. It seems like it's a deliberate decision not to make any
distinction. Maybe LEGO required/allowed it, or maybe Bricklink figured that
they are kind of official.

I don't have a real issue with that but I would expect to see "Bricklink"
under co-branding. Then again, since Octan is considered a "brand", I'm not
even sure what co-branding means anymore.
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In Help, yorbrick writes:
  
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

Does the filter even work for the AFOL sets?

If it's not meant to, then it's another bug. It does show as "All Brands"
when I search Program sets via one of the set's listings. See the two sequenced
screenshots below...
 


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In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, yorbrick writes:
  
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

Does the filter even work for the AFOL sets?

If it's not meant to, then it's another bug. It does show as "All Brands"
when I search Program sets via one of the set's listings. See the two sequenced
screenshots below...

I don't see any bugs. It's simply listed as a LEGO set, right? I don't
see anything unusual in the screenshots. As was pointed out, Brickarms and LEGO
are the only two brands in the system and the ADP sets fall under LEGO and are
in the LEGO catalog.
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In Help, Teup writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, yorbrick writes:
  
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

Does the filter even work for the AFOL sets?

If it's not meant to, then it's another bug. It does show as "All Brands"
when I search Program sets via one of the set's listings. See the two sequenced
screenshots below...

I don't see any bugs. It's simply listed as a LEGO set, right? I don't
see anything unusual in the screenshots. As was pointed out, Brickarms and LEGO
are the only two brands in the system and the ADP sets fall under LEGO and are
in the LEGO catalog.

I can't make it any more simple than the screenshots shown. I'm actually
using pics to show

When I search AFOL Designer Program, they (for me) show up under "All Brands"
NOT "Lego" in sets. As clearly shown.

I guess it's all in how one is uses the searches functions. In any case,
I couldn't care less about the bug. I'm taking the time to point this
out, for you guys here in the forum.
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In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, Teup writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, yorbrick writes:
  
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

Does the filter even work for the AFOL sets?

If it's not meant to, then it's another bug. It does show as "All Brands"
when I search Program sets via one of the set's listings. See the two sequenced
screenshots below...

I don't see any bugs. It's simply listed as a LEGO set, right? I don't
see anything unusual in the screenshots. As was pointed out, Brickarms and LEGO
are the only two brands in the system and the ADP sets fall under LEGO and are
in the LEGO catalog.

I can't make it any more simple than the screenshots shown. I'm actually
using pics to show

When I search AFOL Designer Program, they (for me) show up under "All Brands"
NOT "Lego" in sets. As clearly shown.

I guess it's all in how one is uses the searches functions. In any case,
I couldn't care less about the bug. I'm taking the time to point this
out, for you guys here in the forum.

If I use a filter for LEGO only, I would not expect to see anything in the catalogue
that isn't LEGO. To me, that is the point of a filter - to exclude things
that are not what you want. These are not excluded, therefore they are either
listed as LEGO or the filter does not do what it is meant to do, or at least
what I expect the filter to do.

If I select LEGO only, I would not expect to see brickarms items - and I do not.

If I select LEGO only, I would not expect to see ADP sets - but I do.

Something is wrong.
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In Help, yorbrick writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, Teup writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, yorbrick writes:
  
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

Does the filter even work for the AFOL sets?

If it's not meant to, then it's another bug. It does show as "All Brands"
when I search Program sets via one of the set's listings. See the two sequenced
screenshots below...

I don't see any bugs. It's simply listed as a LEGO set, right? I don't
see anything unusual in the screenshots. As was pointed out, Brickarms and LEGO
are the only two brands in the system and the ADP sets fall under LEGO and are
in the LEGO catalog.

I can't make it any more simple than the screenshots shown. I'm actually
using pics to show

When I search AFOL Designer Program, they (for me) show up under "All Brands"
NOT "Lego" in sets. As clearly shown.

I guess it's all in how one is uses the searches functions. In any case,
I couldn't care less about the bug. I'm taking the time to point this
out, for you guys here in the forum.

If I use a filter for LEGO only, I would not expect to see anything in the catalogue
that isn't LEGO. To me, that is the point of a filter - to exclude things
that are not what you want. These are not excluded, therefore they are either
listed as LEGO or the filter does not do what it is meant to do, or at least
what I expect the filter to do.

If I select LEGO only, I would not expect to see brickarms items - and I do not.

If I select LEGO only, I would not expect to see ADP sets - but I do.

Something is wrong.

Do me a solid. Go into one of the AFOL Designer Program set's listing pages
- Use the "AFOL Designer Program" search link at the top of the page, to show
all sets within the program. What does that page land on; 'All Brands'
or 'Lego' sets?
 
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  Do me a solid. Go into one of the AFOL Designer Program set's listing pages
- Use the "AFOL Designer Program" search link at the top of the page, to show
all sets within the program. What does that page land on; 'All Brands'
or 'Lego' sets?

It lands on All Brands by default, but if you change it to LEGO only and click
search, the same view remains. Therefore they are listed as LEGO sets.

And if you go to any lego set and do the same, it also lands on All Brands by
default, so showing "All Brands" by default means nothing here for the ADP sets,
as LEGO sets behave in the same way.
 
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In Help, yorbrick writes:
  
  Do me a solid. Go into one of the AFOL Designer Program set's listing pages
- Use the "AFOL Designer Program" search link at the top of the page, to show
all sets within the program. What does that page land on; 'All Brands'
or 'Lego' sets?

It lands on All Brands by default, but if you change it to LEGO only and click
search, the same view remains. Therefore they are listed as LEGO sets.

And if you go to any lego set and do the same, it also lands on All Brands by
default, so showing "All Brands" by default means nothing here for the ADP sets,
as LEGO sets behave in the same way.

Learning much here today about a side of the site I've not used much lately.
Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time.

-Cory
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In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, Teup writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, yorbrick writes:
  
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

Does the filter even work for the AFOL sets?

If it's not meant to, then it's another bug. It does show as "All Brands"
when I search Program sets via one of the set's listings. See the two sequenced
screenshots below...

I don't see any bugs. It's simply listed as a LEGO set, right? I don't
see anything unusual in the screenshots. As was pointed out, Brickarms and LEGO
are the only two brands in the system and the ADP sets fall under LEGO and are
in the LEGO catalog.

I can't make it any more simple than the screenshots shown. I'm actually
using pics to show

When I search AFOL Designer Program, they (for me) show up under "All Brands"
NOT "Lego" in sets. As clearly shown.

I guess it's all in how one is uses the searches functions. In any case,
I couldn't care less about the bug. I'm taking the time to point this
out, for you guys here in the forum.

If I do what you describe, they show up under LEGO for me. I also see them in
the LEGO catalog. I've tried everything and didn't find any situation
where they behave differently from regular LEGO sets. From everything I can see
they are given exactly the same status as LEGO sets. There's no evidence
of a bug from here, just the deliberate decision to consider them offical LEGO
sets. Perhaps we're looking at different versions of Bricklink or something
like that.
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In Help, Teup writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, Teup writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, yorbrick writes:
  
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

Does the filter even work for the AFOL sets?

If it's not meant to, then it's another bug. It does show as "All Brands"
when I search Program sets via one of the set's listings. See the two sequenced
screenshots below...

I don't see any bugs. It's simply listed as a LEGO set, right? I don't
see anything unusual in the screenshots. As was pointed out, Brickarms and LEGO
are the only two brands in the system and the ADP sets fall under LEGO and are
in the LEGO catalog.

I can't make it any more simple than the screenshots shown. I'm actually
using pics to show

When I search AFOL Designer Program, they (for me) show up under "All Brands"
NOT "Lego" in sets. As clearly shown.

I guess it's all in how one is uses the searches functions. In any case,
I couldn't care less about the bug. I'm taking the time to point this
out, for you guys here in the forum.

If I do what you describe, they show up under LEGO for me. I also see them in
the LEGO catalog. I've tried everything and didn't find any situation
where they behave differently from regular LEGO sets. From everything I can see
they are given exactly the same status as LEGO sets. There's no evidence
of a bug from here, just the deliberate decision to consider them offical LEGO
sets. Perhaps we're looking at different versions of Bricklink or something
like that.

Do me a solid. Go into one of the AFOL Designer Program set's listing pages
- Use the "AFOL Designer Program" search link at the top of the page, to show
all sets within the program. What does that page land on; 'All Brands'
or 'Lego' sets?
 
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In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, Teup writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, Teup writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, yorbrick writes:
  
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

Does the filter even work for the AFOL sets?

If it's not meant to, then it's another bug. It does show as "All Brands"
when I search Program sets via one of the set's listings. See the two sequenced
screenshots below...

I don't see any bugs. It's simply listed as a LEGO set, right? I don't
see anything unusual in the screenshots. As was pointed out, Brickarms and LEGO
are the only two brands in the system and the ADP sets fall under LEGO and are
in the LEGO catalog.

I can't make it any more simple than the screenshots shown. I'm actually
using pics to show

When I search AFOL Designer Program, they (for me) show up under "All Brands"
NOT "Lego" in sets. As clearly shown.

I guess it's all in how one is uses the searches functions. In any case,
I couldn't care less about the bug. I'm taking the time to point this
out, for you guys here in the forum.

If I do what you describe, they show up under LEGO for me. I also see them in
the LEGO catalog. I've tried everything and didn't find any situation
where they behave differently from regular LEGO sets. From everything I can see
they are given exactly the same status as LEGO sets. There's no evidence
of a bug from here, just the deliberate decision to consider them offical LEGO
sets. Perhaps we're looking at different versions of Bricklink or something
like that.

Do me a solid. Go into one of the AFOL Designer Program set's listing pages
- Use the "AFOL Designer Program" search link at the top of the page, to show
all sets within the program. What does that page land on; 'All Brands'
or 'Lego' sets?

If I do a search I get LEGO, but if I do it like that I get All Brands, which
is exactly what I also get for regular sets.
Well OK, I guess you could say it's a bug that the filter setting gets forgotten
if you click on a category. (However, since categories are a branch down from
brands, you will never end up with a list of products of mixed brands because
of it. A category always only contains 1 brand.)
Anyway this issue is not related to the AFOL designer program. There is no distinction
anywhere between AFOL designer program sets and other sets. AFOL designer program
sets are simply considered a category of LEGO sets, just like Pirates or Nexoknights,
and tey behave the same.
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In Help, Teup writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, Teup writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, Teup writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, yorbrick writes:
  
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

Does the filter even work for the AFOL sets?

If it's not meant to, then it's another bug. It does show as "All Brands"
when I search Program sets via one of the set's listings. See the two sequenced
screenshots below...

I don't see any bugs. It's simply listed as a LEGO set, right? I don't
see anything unusual in the screenshots. As was pointed out, Brickarms and LEGO
are the only two brands in the system and the ADP sets fall under LEGO and are
in the LEGO catalog.

I can't make it any more simple than the screenshots shown. I'm actually
using pics to show

When I search AFOL Designer Program, they (for me) show up under "All Brands"
NOT "Lego" in sets. As clearly shown.

I guess it's all in how one is uses the searches functions. In any case,
I couldn't care less about the bug. I'm taking the time to point this
out, for you guys here in the forum.

If I do what you describe, they show up under LEGO for me. I also see them in
the LEGO catalog. I've tried everything and didn't find any situation
where they behave differently from regular LEGO sets. From everything I can see
they are given exactly the same status as LEGO sets. There's no evidence
of a bug from here, just the deliberate decision to consider them offical LEGO
sets. Perhaps we're looking at different versions of Bricklink or something
like that.

Do me a solid. Go into one of the AFOL Designer Program set's listing pages
- Use the "AFOL Designer Program" search link at the top of the page, to show
all sets within the program. What does that page land on; 'All Brands'
or 'Lego' sets?

If I do a search I get LEGO, but if I do it like that I get All Brands, which
is exactly what I also get for regular sets.

I did not know that. Thank you. Shows just how little I use that 'side'
of the site nowadays.

  
Well OK, I guess you could say it's a bug that the filter setting gets forgotten
if you click on a category. (However, since categories are a branch down from
brands, you will never end up with a list of products of mixed brands because
of it. A category always only contains 1 brand.)
Anyway this issue is not related to the AFOL designer program. There is no distinction
anywhere between AFOL designer program sets and other sets. AFOL designer program
sets are simply considered a category of LEGO sets, just like Pirates or Nexoknights,
and tey behave the same.
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In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, yorbrick writes:
  
  Beyond the two brands; AFOL Designer Program and BrickArms, are there currently
any other brands under the umbrella search option All Brands?

Does the filter even work for the AFOL sets?

If it's not meant to, then it's another bug. It does show as "All Brands"
when I search Program sets via one of the set's listings. See the two sequenced
screenshots below...


Also, if you take a look at any of the Brickarms parts, there is a clear statement
underneath the picture. "This item is manufactured by BrickArms LLC."

That avoids any doubt as to the manufacturer. As the ADP sets are not genuine
LEGO sets, there should really be a similar statement to avoid any doubt about
the origin of these sets. Especially as they are showing up under searches for
LEGO brand only.