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 Author: mnimja View Messages Posted By mnimja
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Why iranian users can not login or can not buy anything in brick link?
my friend payed the order and now he can not login to site
 Author: jonwil View Messages Posted By jonwil
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International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.
 Author: longwallmining View Messages Posted By longwallmining
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In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.

True, too true. I feel bad for people in these situations. Who wants to start
a Lego parts smuggling racket servicing Iran, North Korea, Burma, Turkmenistan
and all the other stans + Diego Garcia?
 Author: poshbrick View Messages Posted By poshbrick
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In Help, longwallmining writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.

True, too true. I feel bad for people in these situations. Who wants to start
a Lego parts smuggling racket servicing Iran, North Korea, Burma, Turkmenistan
and all the other stans + Diego Garcia?

It is so sad to see some countries are restricted.
 Author: mnimja View Messages Posted By mnimja
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In Help, poshbrick writes:
  In Help, longwallmining writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.

True, too true. I feel bad for people in these situations. Who wants to start
a Lego parts smuggling racket servicing Iran, North Korea, Burma, Turkmenistan
and all the other stans + Diego Garcia?

It is so sad to see some countries are restricted.

that's really unfair . my friend was ordered and paid , but now he can't
login to follow the order and his money lost.
so what should he do?????!!!!!!!
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Aug 14, 2019 08:08
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In Help, mnimja writes:
  In Help, poshbrick writes:
  In Help, longwallmining writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.

True, too true. I feel bad for people in these situations. Who wants to start
a Lego parts smuggling racket servicing Iran, North Korea, Burma, Turkmenistan
and all the other stans + Diego Garcia?

It is so sad to see some countries are restricted.

that's really unfair . my friend was ordered and paid , but now he can't
login to follow the order and his money lost.
so what should he do?????!!!!!!!

How did he log in to order? Did something just change during the night?
 Author: mnimja View Messages Posted By mnimja
 Posted: Aug 14, 2019 08:13
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In Help, axaday writes:
  In Help, mnimja writes:
  In Help, poshbrick writes:
  In Help, longwallmining writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.

True, too true. I feel bad for people in these situations. Who wants to start
a Lego parts smuggling racket servicing Iran, North Korea, Burma, Turkmenistan
and all the other stans + Diego Garcia?

It is so sad to see some countries are restricted.

that's really unfair . my friend was ordered and paid , but now he can't
login to follow the order and his money lost.
so what should he do?????!!!!!!!

How did he log in to order? Did something just change during the night?

His order was registered on Monday. And in next day after the payment was made,
the user was cleared and his order was canceled by the administrator ...
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Aug 14, 2019 08:26
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In Help, mnimja writes:
  In Help, axaday writes:
  In Help, mnimja writes:
  In Help, poshbrick writes:
  In Help, longwallmining writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.

True, too true. I feel bad for people in these situations. Who wants to start
a Lego parts smuggling racket servicing Iran, North Korea, Burma, Turkmenistan
and all the other stans + Diego Garcia?

It is so sad to see some countries are restricted.

that's really unfair . my friend was ordered and paid , but now he can't
login to follow the order and his money lost.
so what should he do?????!!!!!!!

How did he log in to order? Did something just change during the night?

His order was registered on Monday. And in next day after the payment was made,
the user was cleared and his order was canceled by the administrator ...

Makes it sound like Iran isn't automatically blocked, but the user got manually
blocked when the seller saw they got an order from there.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Aug 14, 2019 08:30
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In Help, axaday writes:
  In Help, mnimja writes:
  In Help, axaday writes:
  In Help, mnimja writes:
  In Help, poshbrick writes:
  In Help, longwallmining writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.

True, too true. I feel bad for people in these situations. Who wants to start
a Lego parts smuggling racket servicing Iran, North Korea, Burma, Turkmenistan
and all the other stans + Diego Garcia?

It is so sad to see some countries are restricted.

that's really unfair . my friend was ordered and paid , but now he can't
login to follow the order and his money lost.
so what should he do?????!!!!!!!

How did he log in to order? Did something just change during the night?

His order was registered on Monday. And in next day after the payment was made,
the user was cleared and his order was canceled by the administrator ...

Makes it sound like Iran isn't automatically blocked, but the user got manually
blocked when the seller saw they got an order from there.

I just checked and Iran isn't on my "ship to" list OR my "won't ship
to" list. So I don't think Iran is an option.
 Author: Miro78 View Messages Posted By Miro78
 Posted: Aug 14, 2019 08:59
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In Help, mnimja writes:
  In Help, poshbrick writes:
  In Help, longwallmining writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.

True, too true. I feel bad for people in these situations. Who wants to start
a Lego parts smuggling racket servicing Iran, North Korea, Burma, Turkmenistan
and all the other stans + Diego Garcia?

It is so sad to see some countries are restricted.

that's really unfair . my friend was ordered and paid , but now he can't
login to follow the order and his money lost.
so what should he do?????!!!!!!!

Perhaps the seller can send a refund once he becomes aware of the situation.
I imagine the seller is just as confused. If you know the seller through your
friend, perhaps you can contact them on your friend's behalf and alert them
of this situation, and try to point them to this forum thread, and perhaps they
will be inclined to refund given the circumstances. I don't know if PayPal
(if that is the form of payment) will be able to perform refunds, but I would
imagine so.

Miro
 Author: hpoort View Messages Posted By hpoort
 Posted: Aug 14, 2019 12:04
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In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.


Looks like BL blocked all Iranian users from buying:

https://www.bricklink.com/memberList.asp?countryID=IR
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In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.


Looks like BL blocked all Iranian users from buying:

https://www.bricklink.com/memberList.asp?countryID=IR

Actually, BrickLink has for years (well before the site was sold) maintained
an internal list of excluded countries. Unfortunately there was a bug on the
user registration and address change pages when these pages were revised around
2015, and this bug allowed new accounts from these countries to be created and
allowed the switching of addresses from older accounts.

The bug was just fixed this week, but that's why that link shows accounts
from Iran.
 Author: hpoort View Messages Posted By hpoort
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In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.


Looks like BL blocked all Iranian users from buying:

https://www.bricklink.com/memberList.asp?countryID=IR

Actually, BrickLink has for years (well before the site was sold) maintained
an internal list of excluded countries. Unfortunately there was a bug on the
user registration and address change pages when these pages were revised around
2015, and this bug allowed new accounts from these countries to be created and
allowed the switching of addresses from older accounts.

The bug was just fixed this week, but that's why that link shows accounts
from Iran.


Thanks for elaborating on the cause.

This made me curious about the trade sanctions with Iran in general. I just had
a quick read. It seems to me that there are sanctions from the USA against Iran,
less strict sanctions from the EU against Iran, and an opposing China that does
not agree upon these sanctions at all. Since BL is based in Hong Kong, China,
does not the latter apply for the site as a whole?

The EU has explicit policy that makes it illegal to act upon American law (this
sanction) when EU law applies (no sanction on LEGO). So if a EU shop generally
ships to 'all countries' it is illegal to exclude Iran simply because
the USA claims that is sanctioned (it would be legal to do so for other reasons,
e.g. problems with payment or shipping services). I am not sure how this affects
a Chinese company as BL.

Anyone more versed in international law to explain? Thor perhaps?

Hans-Peter
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In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.


Looks like BL blocked all Iranian users from buying:

https://www.bricklink.com/memberList.asp?countryID=IR

Actually, BrickLink has for years (well before the site was sold) maintained
an internal list of excluded countries. Unfortunately there was a bug on the
user registration and address change pages when these pages were revised around
2015, and this bug allowed new accounts from these countries to be created and
allowed the switching of addresses from older accounts.

The bug was just fixed this week, but that's why that link shows accounts
from Iran.


Thanks for elaborating on the cause.

This made me curious about the trade sanctions with Iran in general. I just had
a quick read. It seems to me that there are sanctions from the USA against Iran,
less strict sanctions from the EU against Iran, and an opposing China that does
not agree upon these sanctions at all. Since BL is based in Hong Kong, China,
does not the latter apply for the site as a whole?

The EU has explicit policy that makes it illegal to act upon American law (this
sanction) when EU law applies (no sanction on LEGO). So if a EU shop generally
ships to 'all countries' it is illegal to exclude Iran simply because
the USA claims that is sanctioned (it would be legal to do so for other reasons,
e.g. problems with payment or shipping services). I am not sure how this affects
a Chinese company as BL.

Anyone more versed in international law to explain? Thor perhaps?

Hans-Peter


Thanks for opening up this discussion again. I believe that if US restrictions
are always strictly obeyed this may open the road to use random sanctions as
a tool in political power play between US and EU or US and China.

As LEGO is a medium to connect people from different countries and different
cultures, it should not be used for political power play in my view.

We just visited the House 2 days ago and I very much enjoyed the open minded
truly international multi-cultural atmosphere. If every child on that planet
would experience this, adults would not so much fall for nationalism, racism
and the like.
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In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.


Looks like BL blocked all Iranian users from buying:

https://www.bricklink.com/memberList.asp?countryID=IR

Actually, BrickLink has for years (well before the site was sold) maintained
an internal list of excluded countries. Unfortunately there was a bug on the
user registration and address change pages when these pages were revised around
2015, and this bug allowed new accounts from these countries to be created and
allowed the switching of addresses from older accounts.

The bug was just fixed this week, but that's why that link shows accounts
from Iran.


Thanks for elaborating on the cause.

This made me curious about the trade sanctions with Iran in general. I just had
a quick read. It seems to me that there are sanctions from the USA against Iran,
less strict sanctions from the EU against Iran, and an opposing China that does
not agree upon these sanctions at all. Since BL is based in Hong Kong, China,
does not the latter apply for the site as a whole?

The EU has explicit policy that makes it illegal to act upon American law (this
sanction) when EU law applies (no sanction on LEGO). So if a EU shop generally
ships to 'all countries' it is illegal to exclude Iran simply because
the USA claims that is sanctioned (it would be legal to do so for other reasons,
e.g. problems with payment or shipping services). I am not sure how this affects
a Chinese company as BL.

Anyone more versed in international law to explain? Thor perhaps?

Hans-Peter

BrickLink Corporation (which is the company that operates the website) is a US
company, and as such is under US law. Offering services to users in sanctioned
countries is not an option for us.
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In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.


Looks like BL blocked all Iranian users from buying:

https://www.bricklink.com/memberList.asp?countryID=IR

Actually, BrickLink has for years (well before the site was sold) maintained
an internal list of excluded countries. Unfortunately there was a bug on the
user registration and address change pages when these pages were revised around
2015, and this bug allowed new accounts from these countries to be created and
allowed the switching of addresses from older accounts.

The bug was just fixed this week, but that's why that link shows accounts
from Iran.


Thanks for elaborating on the cause.

This made me curious about the trade sanctions with Iran in general. I just had
a quick read. It seems to me that there are sanctions from the USA against Iran,
less strict sanctions from the EU against Iran, and an opposing China that does
not agree upon these sanctions at all. Since BL is based in Hong Kong, China,
does not the latter apply for the site as a whole?

The EU has explicit policy that makes it illegal to act upon American law (this
sanction) when EU law applies (no sanction on LEGO). So if a EU shop generally
ships to 'all countries' it is illegal to exclude Iran simply because
the USA claims that is sanctioned (it would be legal to do so for other reasons,
e.g. problems with payment or shipping services). I am not sure how this affects
a Chinese company as BL.

Anyone more versed in international law to explain? Thor perhaps?

Hans-Peter

BrickLink Corporation (which is the company that operates the website) is a US
company, and as such is under US law. Offering services to users in sanctioned
countries is not an option for us.

There are sanctions over certain goods, but those sanctions certainly does not
apply to Toys. If it does, I am interested in seeing it.
The US-base and even some other companies in EU,... just restrict their services
to users from sanctioned countries to prevent any eventual problem, even though
there is no such sanction for toys.
I know you personally cannot change this policy of BL.

Few decades ago, there were no media such as internet, newspaper,... and so,
whenever there was a war, the winner-side of war could destroy the territory
of the losers and kill as many people as they could. Today, this is harder to
do, as the media, news,... would now allow violence happen or continue to happen
as it was used to happen in the past. But people don't know what sanctions
really mean, or don't care enough about it. The politicians who are have
the power, as they cannot do what their precendents could do few decades ago,
they apply "peaceful" sanctions. If they could apply sanctions on water, air,...,
to some countries/regions/... that do not obey them, they certainly would. These
liars even say that sanctions are not applied to drugs, but we clearly see one
implication of sanctions on just toys.
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In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.


Looks like BL blocked all Iranian users from buying:

https://www.bricklink.com/memberList.asp?countryID=IR

Actually, BrickLink has for years (well before the site was sold) maintained
an internal list of excluded countries. Unfortunately there was a bug on the
user registration and address change pages when these pages were revised around
2015, and this bug allowed new accounts from these countries to be created and
allowed the switching of addresses from older accounts.

The bug was just fixed this week, but that's why that link shows accounts
from Iran.


Thanks for elaborating on the cause.

"cause?"

  
This made me curious about the trade sanctions with Iran in general. I just had
a quick read. It seems to me that there are sanctions from the USA against Iran,
less strict sanctions from the EU against Iran, and an opposing China that does
not agree upon these sanctions at all.

Is this extent of your knowledge of current events involving the parties you've
invoked? Stunning!

  Since BL is based in Hong Kong, China, does not the latter apply for the site as a whole?

The EU has explicit policy that makes it illegal to act upon American law

Very strange, almost fascinating logic in your statement: "Policy" regardless
of where it's seated, does not determine illegality. Legislated law, does.
But who knows, maybe the policies of unelected bureaucrats in today's EU,
are law for people of the EU to follow

  (this sanction) when EU law applies (no sanction on LEGO). So if a EU shop generally
ships to 'all countries' it is illegal to exclude Iran simply because
the USA claims that is sanctioned (it would be legal to do so for other reasons, e.g. problems with payment or shipping services).

I am not sure how this affects a Chinese company as BL.

"Chinese company?" Are you under the impression that Hong Kong registered companies,
are Chinese?

In any case, the holding company NXC is still a South Korean company, last I
checked. But you're closer than you think with your illogic: I believe Kim
structured his acquisition of BrickLink.com as a subsidiary of the holding company
NXMH, base in Belgium. However, BrickLink Corp. it's run out of the US and
subject to US laws and restrictions.
  
Anyone more versed in international law to explain? Thor perhaps?

I don't think Foster can practice law any longer. I could be wrong. Hope
I am.

By the way, Kim and his wife have tabled the sale of their holdings, as of last
month anyway. Not moving forward with the sale.
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In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Help, hpoort writes:
  In Help, jonwil writes:
  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.


Looks like BL blocked all Iranian users from buying:

https://www.bricklink.com/memberList.asp?countryID=IR

Actually, BrickLink has for years (well before the site was sold) maintained
an internal list of excluded countries. Unfortunately there was a bug on the
user registration and address change pages when these pages were revised around
2015, and this bug allowed new accounts from these countries to be created and
allowed the switching of addresses from older accounts.

The bug was just fixed this week, but that's why that link shows accounts
from Iran.


Thanks for elaborating on the cause.

"cause?"

  
This made me curious about the trade sanctions with Iran in general. I just had
a quick read. It seems to me that there are sanctions from the USA against Iran,
less strict sanctions from the EU against Iran, and an opposing China that does
not agree upon these sanctions at all.

Is this extent of your knowledge of current events involving the parties you've
invoked? Stunning!

  Since BL is based in Hong Kong, China, does not the latter apply for the site as a whole?

The EU has explicit policy that makes it illegal to act upon American law

Very strange, almost fascinating logic in your statement: "Policy" regardless
of where it's seated, does not determine illegality. Legislated law, does.
But who knows, maybe the policies of unelected bureaucrats in today's EU,
are law for people of the EU to follow

  (this sanction) when EU law applies (no sanction on LEGO). So if a EU shop generally
ships to 'all countries' it is illegal to exclude Iran simply because
the USA claims that is sanctioned (it would be legal to do so for other reasons, e.g. problems with payment or shipping services).

I am not sure how this affects a Chinese company as BL.

"Chinese company?" Are you under the impression that Hong Kong registered companies,
are Chinese?


Give it time. Things are not looking good for Hong Kong right now. King Kong
is supposed to retain its sovereignty.

  In any case, the holding company NXC is still a South Korean company, last I
checked. But you're closer than you think with your illogic: I believe Kim
structured his acquisition of BrickLink.com as a subsidiary of the holding company
NXMH, base in Belgium. However, BrickLink Corp. it's run out of the US and
subject to US laws and restrictions.
  
Anyone more versed in international law to explain? Thor perhaps?

I don't think Foster can practice law any longer. I could be wrong. Hope
I am.

I think at this point his issues got the best of him. Hopefully he will get
better.
  
By the way, Kim and his wife have tabled the sale of their holdings, as of last
month anyway. Not moving forward with the sale.

Is that good or bad news?
John P

Never mind - I thought you were discussing King Kong.
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  International sanctions.
The owners of BrickLink are probably just blocking Iran (and other countries
subject to sanctions) to avoid being taken to court for violating the sanctions.


Looks like BL blocked all Iranian users from buying:

https://www.bricklink.com/memberList.asp?countryID=IR

Actually, BrickLink has for years (well before the site was sold) maintained
an internal list of excluded countries. Unfortunately there was a bug on the
user registration and address change pages when these pages were revised around
2015, and this bug allowed new accounts from these countries to be created and
allowed the switching of addresses from older accounts.

The bug was just fixed this week, but that's why that link shows accounts
from Iran.


Thanks for elaborating on the cause.

"cause?"

  
This made me curious about the trade sanctions with Iran in general. I just had
a quick read. It seems to me that there are sanctions from the USA against Iran,
less strict sanctions from the EU against Iran, and an opposing China that does
not agree upon these sanctions at all.

Is this extent of your knowledge of current events involving the parties you've
invoked? Stunning!

  Since BL is based in Hong Kong, China, does not the latter apply for the site as a whole?

The EU has explicit policy that makes it illegal to act upon American law

Very strange, almost fascinating logic in your statement: "Policy" regardless
of where it's seated, does not determine illegality. Legislated law, does.
But who knows, maybe the policies of unelected bureaucrats in today's EU,
are law for people of the EU to follow

  (this sanction) when EU law applies (no sanction on LEGO). So if a EU shop generally
ships to 'all countries' it is illegal to exclude Iran simply because
the USA claims that is sanctioned (it would be legal to do so for other reasons, e.g. problems with payment or shipping services).

I am not sure how this affects a Chinese company as BL.

"Chinese company?" Are you under the impression that Hong Kong registered companies,
are Chinese?


Give it time. Things are not looking good for Hong Kong right now. King Kong
is supposed to retain its sovereignty.

I'd go there and join them, if I weren't needed here. It is a righteous
fight. Hopefully the world will realize the stakes, sooner rather than later.

If I were 20 years younger, I'd disregard all and go. But, a worn out old
fighter, is not what is needed to help them keep their liberty.
  
  In any case, the holding company NXC is still a South Korean company, last I
checked. But you're closer than you think with your illogic: I believe Kim
structured his acquisition of BrickLink.com as a subsidiary of the holding company
NXMH, base in Belgium. However, BrickLink Corp. it's run out of the US and
subject to US laws and restrictions.
  
Anyone more versed in international law to explain? Thor perhaps?

I don't think Foster can practice law any longer. I could be wrong. Hope
I am.

I think at this point his issues got the best of him. Hopefully he will get
better.

He is. My man has set his priorities and as far as I know, is happy.

  
  
By the way, Kim and his wife have tabled the sale of their holdings, as of last
month anyway. Not moving forward with the sale.

Is that good or bad news?

For me, neither. Others here have expressed concern what Kim's selling of
his holdings, portends for BL...

  
Never mind - I thought you were discussing King Kong.
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Never mind - I thought you were discussing King Kong.

Could become bloody dangerous if you had only a table and the racquets to play
ping-pong….
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Never mind - I thought you were discussing King Kong.

Could become bloody dangerous if you had only a table and the racquets to play
ping-pong….


John P
 
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Why iranian users can not login or can not buy anything in brick link?
my friend payed the order and now he can not login to site


EBay has a similar feature, to protect sellers from accidentally selling embargoed
items to a country with sanctions placed upon it.

But I don't really understand. How was he able to join and place an order
if Iran is blocked? Did BL change something recently or did he register in another
country?
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In Help, yorbrick writes:
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Why iranian users can not login or can not buy anything in brick link?
my friend payed the order and now he can not login to site


EBay has a similar feature, to protect sellers from accidentally selling embargoed
items to a country with sanctions placed upon it.

But I don't really understand. How was he able to join and place an order
if Iran is blocked? Did BL change something recently or did he register in another
country?

recently bricklink restriction hers user
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Why iranian users can not login or can not buy anything in brick link?
my friend payed the order and now he can not login to site

Preventive action, as with Syria, Cuba, Sudan and North Korea. I shouldn’t think
they are offered as ship-to countries, either. For now.

Venezuela may be handled as such, soon, IMO

You've referenced "my friend" as both "his & her", from what country did
he, she or you order from?
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In Help, popsicle writes:
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Why iranian users can not login or can not buy anything in brick link?
my friend payed the order and now he can not login to site

Preventive action, as with Syria, Cuba, Sudan and North Korea. I shouldn’t think
they are offered as ship-to countries, either. For now.

Venezuela may be handled as such, soon, IMO

You've referenced "my friend" as both "his & her", from what country did
he, she or you order from?



What countries would you like to see on that list as well?
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In Help, manganschlamm writes:
  In Help, popsicle writes:
  In Help, mnimja writes:
  Hello
Why iranian users can not login or can not buy anything in brick link?
my friend payed the order and now he can not login to site

Preventive action, as with Syria, Cuba, Sudan and North Korea. I shouldn’t think
they are offered as ship-to countries, either. For now.

Venezuela may be handled as such, soon, IMO

You've referenced "my friend" as both "his & her", from what country did
he, she or you order from?



What countries would you like to see on that list as well?

As for me, Andorra and Lichtenstein. I would have added Canada, but that is
a suburb of Detroit.

John P
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In Help, manganschlamm writes:
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Why iranian users can not login or can not buy anything in brick link?
my friend payed the order and now he can not login to site

Preventive action, as with Syria, Cuba, Sudan and North Korea. I shouldn’t think
they are offered as ship-to countries, either. For now.

Venezuela may be handled as such, soon, IMO

You've referenced "my friend" as both "his & her", from what country did
he, she or you order from?



What countries would you like to see on that list as well?

Some parts of Kentucky. They have very beautiful very dangerous women there
. . . I'm just sayin'
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What countries would you like to see on that list as well?

Sweden

I used to work for a company that was owned by Swedish lady, and had a Swedish
CEO and Swedish director of the board.

I got out in time
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Why iranian users can not login or can not buy anything in brick link?
my friend payed the order and now he can not login to site

How did they pay? I think PayPal don't operate in Iran.
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Why iranian users can not login or can not buy anything in brick link?
my friend payed the order and now he can not login to site


If indeed an order was placed and payment was made before the accounts of Iranian
users were cancelled, and if the ordered parts cannot be shipped to the buyer
because the seller has no access to the contact details of the buyer, BL should
compensate that buyer.