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 Author: JusTiCe8 View Messages Posted By JusTiCe8
 Posted: Aug 11, 2019 06:08
 Subject: 4460 a/b: wrong height
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JusTiCe8 (43)

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Hi,

Looks like this parts:
 
Part No: 4460a  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
* 
4460a Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
Parts: Slope
 
Part No: 4460b  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
* 
4460b Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
Parts: Slope

is taller than described as it is 4 studs high instead of 3 unless there is a
way to measure height I don't know.

Fortunately, there is no 3 studs high slope and I believe any MOCers using the
part just call it by its name and there would be no issue when building.

Strangely, part
 
Part No: 3684c  Name: Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
* 
3684c Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
Parts: Slope
and all its variants looks like to be also 4 studs
high and not 3 (last pic clearly shows the same aspect ratio as 4460).
By the way 3684 is not marked for deletion yet.

Where was the issue ? "It's not you it's us" or just me ?

Thanks.
 
 Author: paulvdb View Messages Posted By paulvdb
 Posted: Aug 11, 2019 06:11
 Subject: Re: 4460 a/b: wrong height
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In Catalog, JusTiCe8 writes:
  Hi,

Looks like this parts:
 
Part No: 4460a  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
* 
4460a Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
Parts: Slope
 
Part No: 4460b  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
* 
4460b Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
Parts: Slope

is taller than described as it is 4 studs high instead of 3 unless there is a
way to measure height I don't know.

Fortunately, there is no 3 studs high slope and I believe any MOCers using the
part just call it by its name and there would be no issue when building.

Strangely, part
 
Part No: 3684c  Name: Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
* 
3684c Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
Parts: Slope
and all its variants looks like to be also 4 studs
high and not 3 (last pic clearly shows the same aspect ratio as 4460).
By the way 3684 is not marked for deletion yet.

Where was the issue ? "It's not you it's us" or just me ?

Thanks.

Length and width are measured in studs, but height is measured in brick heights.
These slopes have the same height as 3 bricks stacked on top of each other.
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Aug 11, 2019 06:27
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In Catalog, paulvdb writes:
  In Catalog, JusTiCe8 writes:
  Hi,

Looks like this parts:
 
Part No: 4460a  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
* 
4460a Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
Parts: Slope
 
Part No: 4460b  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
* 
4460b Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
Parts: Slope

is taller than described as it is 4 studs high instead of 3 unless there is a
way to measure height I don't know.

Fortunately, there is no 3 studs high slope and I believe any MOCers using the
part just call it by its name and there would be no issue when building.

Strangely, part
 
Part No: 3684c  Name: Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
* 
3684c Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
Parts: Slope
and all its variants looks like to be also 4 studs
high and not 3 (last pic clearly shows the same aspect ratio as 4460).
By the way 3684 is not marked for deletion yet.

Where was the issue ? "It's not you it's us" or just me ?

Thanks.

Length and width are measured in studs, but height is measured in brick heights.
These slopes have the same height as 3 bricks stacked on top of each other.

And that is why exactly many submitters make that mistake when submitting measurements
of part to the catalog.
 Author: JusTiCe8 View Messages Posted By JusTiCe8
 Posted: Aug 11, 2019 08:54
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JusTiCe8 (43)

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Thank you both for the heads up.

Still, parts have "Size: 2 x 1 x 3 in studs"

This is the issue, when many units are used, they have to be explicitly written
to avoid such confusion, as history tells us, help page on BL are not enough.

I suggest to add a note on each single page of inventory for parts (done
by front "code" obviously, default design for parts for instance) about the units
used. Kind of studs from width/length, brick height for height.

In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In Catalog, paulvdb writes:
  
Length and width are measured in studs, but height is measured in brick heights.
These slopes have the same height as 3 bricks stacked on top of each other.

And that is why exactly many submitters make that mistake when submitting measurements
of part to the catalog.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Aug 11, 2019 09:02
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In Catalog, JusTiCe8 writes:
  Thank you both for the heads up.

Still, parts have "Size: 2 x 1 x 3 in studs"

This is the issue, when many units are used, they have to be explicitly written
to avoid such confusion, as history tells us, help page on BL are not enough.

I suggest to add a note on each single page of inventory for parts (done
by front "code" obviously, default design for parts for instance) about the units
used. Kind of studs from width/length, brick height for height.

Or that the size be formatted as “2 x 1 x 3 (studs x studs x bricks)” or, better,
“2 studs x 1 stud x 3 bricks.”

And these suggestions have been made almost every time a remark such as yours
was made but nothing changed
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Aug 11, 2019 06:28
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In Catalog, JusTiCe8 writes:
  Hi,

Looks like this parts:
 
Part No: 4460a  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
* 
4460a Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
Parts: Slope
 
Part No: 4460b  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
* 
4460b Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
Parts: Slope

is taller than described as it is 4 studs high instead of 3 unless there is a
way to measure height I don't know.

Fortunately, there is no 3 studs high slope and I believe any MOCers using the
part just call it by its name and there would be no issue when building.

Strangely, part
 
Part No: 3684c  Name: Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
* 
3684c Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
Parts: Slope
and all its variants looks like to be also 4 studs
high and not 3 (last pic clearly shows the same aspect ratio as 4460).
By the way 3684 is not marked for deletion yet.

Where was the issue ? "It's not you it's us" or just me ?

Thanks.

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=261
 Author: Miro78 View Messages Posted By Miro78
 Posted: Aug 11, 2019 12:55
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In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In Catalog, JusTiCe8 writes:
  Hi,

Looks like this parts:
 
Part No: 4460a  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
* 
4460a Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
Parts: Slope
 
Part No: 4460b  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
* 
4460b Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
Parts: Slope

is taller than described as it is 4 studs high instead of 3 unless there is a
way to measure height I don't know.

Fortunately, there is no 3 studs high slope and I believe any MOCers using the
part just call it by its name and there would be no issue when building.

Strangely, part
 
Part No: 3684c  Name: Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
* 
3684c Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
Parts: Slope
and all its variants looks like to be also 4 studs
high and not 3 (last pic clearly shows the same aspect ratio as 4460).
By the way 3684 is not marked for deletion yet.

Where was the issue ? "It's not you it's us" or just me ?

Thanks.

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=261


This thread is a useful reminder that exemplifies that measurement values without
units creates confusion. I work as a scientist in my day life, and talking about
measurements without units causes same problems.

To the OP, the slope 3684 is 3 bricks tall, which is the same as 9 plates tall
(a brick is 3 plates tall), or 18 Lego units tall (a plate is 2 Lego units).
A good relation measurement is 2x2 brick width is same as 5 plates height, which
means that a 1x1 brick width is 2.5 plates height, therefore the 3684 slope which
is 3 bricks tall = 9 plates height = 4.8 stud widths (12/2.5=3.6). So as you
can see, it makes no sense in referring to this slope as 3.6 stud heights. It's
very confusing. That being said, having units in the dimensions handy, will prevent
further confusions.

Knowing dimensions is very practical when SNOT building, where the orientation
of bricks is placed sideways and combination of upright and sideway bricks.

Here is a useful converter: http://www.studs.sariel.pl

Miro
 Author: DamoB View Messages Posted By DamoB
 Posted: Aug 12, 2019 08:20
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In Catalog, JusTiCe8 writes:
  Hi,

Looks like this parts:
 
Part No: 4460a  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
* 
4460a Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
Parts: Slope
 
Part No: 4460b  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
* 
4460b Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
Parts: Slope

is taller than described as it is 4 studs high instead of 3 unless there is a
way to measure height I don't know.

Fortunately, there is no 3 studs high slope and I believe any MOCers using the
part just call it by its name and there would be no issue when building.

Strangely, part
 
Part No: 3684c  Name: Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
* 
3684c Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
Parts: Slope
and all its variants looks like to be also 4 studs
high and not 3 (last pic clearly shows the same aspect ratio as 4460).
By the way 3684 is not marked for deletion yet.

Where was the issue ? "It's not you it's us" or just me ?

Thanks.

I used to think this until I found Tom Alphin's lego ruler and sorting tool:
http://tomalphin.com/2014/02/lego-ruler-and-sorting-tool.html

One stud is 8mm wide but a plate is 3.2mm high, therefore the size of a 1x1 brick
is 8mm x 8mm x 9.8mm. I have Tom's guide printed and laminated and reckon
that it has saved me a load of time while sorting!
 Author: Miro78 View Messages Posted By Miro78
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In Catalog, WrefordBrown writes:
  In Catalog, JusTiCe8 writes:
  Hi,

Looks like this parts:
 
Part No: 4460a  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
* 
4460a Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Open Stud
Parts: Slope
 
Part No: 4460b  Name: Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
* 
4460b Slope 75 2 x 1 x 3 - Hollow Stud
Parts: Slope

is taller than described as it is 4 studs high instead of 3 unless there is a
way to measure height I don't know.

Fortunately, there is no 3 studs high slope and I believe any MOCers using the
part just call it by its name and there would be no issue when building.

Strangely, part
 
Part No: 3684c  Name: Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
* 
3684c Slope 75 2 x 2 x 3 - Solid Studs
Parts: Slope
and all its variants looks like to be also 4 studs
high and not 3 (last pic clearly shows the same aspect ratio as 4460).
By the way 3684 is not marked for deletion yet.

Where was the issue ? "It's not you it's us" or just me ?

Thanks.

I used to think this until I found Tom Alphin's lego ruler and sorting tool:
http://tomalphin.com/2014/02/lego-ruler-and-sorting-tool.html

One stud is 8mm wide but a plate is 3.2mm high, therefore the size of a 1x1 brick
is 8mm x 8mm x 9.8mm. I have Tom's guide printed and laminated and reckon
that it has saved me a load of time while sorting!

Very handy. Thanks for sharing.

Miro