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 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
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 Subject: Item names - avoid "old" and "new"
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I think one lesson we should have learned by now is that incorporating words
like "old" and "new" into item names, descriptions and part numbers should be
avoided. The problem of course is that what is new today will one day be old
when an even newer version is released and the descriptions lose their meaning.

This has already happened.

- There have been several versions of the Lego logo to appear on items, and the
term "old style" has been applied to more than one of them.

- The 3003old mold is still in production (I'm guilty of that one myself,
having named it after the 3001old and 3002old parts).

- As Lego has re-issued some classic items like minifigs, we are putting "new"
in the part numbers (as in 973px45newc01) - but what happens if/when the same
item is re-issued again in 30 years?

- There have been at least four versions of the universal joint, but only the
first one is called "old."

We have 70 years of history to look back on and we should be looking ahead to
the next 70 years (at least). Variants and re-issues could be numbered sequentially
rather than labeled as "old" or "new." For previous Lego logos, we could adopt
the descriptive terms that are commonly used like "Open O Style," "Dogbone Style,"
etc., rather than lump them all under "old."

And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Aug 10, 2019 23:52
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In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  I think one lesson we should have learned by now is that incorporating words
like "old" and "new" into item names, descriptions and part numbers should be
avoided. The problem of course is that what is new today will one day be old
when an even newer version is released and the descriptions lose their meaning.

This has already happened.

- There have been several versions of the Lego logo to appear on items, and the
term "old style" has been applied to more than one of them.

- The 3003old mold is still in production (I'm guilty of that one myself,
having named it after the 3001old and 3002old parts).

- As Lego has re-issued some classic items like minifigs, we are putting "new"
in the part numbers (as in 973px45newc01) - but what happens if/when the same
item is re-issued again in 30 years?

- There have been at least four versions of the universal joint, but only the
first one is called "old."

We have 70 years of history to look back on and we should be looking ahead to
the next 70 years (at least). Variants and re-issues could be numbered sequentially
rather than labeled as "old" or "new." For previous Lego logos, we could adopt
the descriptive terms that are commonly used like "Open O Style," "Dogbone Style,"
etc., rather than lump them all under "old."

And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.

Stormchaser and I got rid of dozens of those right before he quit... I haven't
tried to work on it with Marek because I don't want him to quit.
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
 Posted: Aug 11, 2019 00:01
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In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  I think one lesson we should have learned by now is that incorporating words
like "old" and "new" into item names, descriptions and part numbers should be
avoided. The problem of course is that what is new today will one day be old
when an even newer version is released and the descriptions lose their meaning.

This has already happened.

- There have been several versions of the Lego logo to appear on items, and the
term "old style" has been applied to more than one of them.

- The 3003old mold is still in production (I'm guilty of that one myself,
having named it after the 3001old and 3002old parts).

- As Lego has re-issued some classic items like minifigs, we are putting "new"
in the part numbers (as in 973px45newc01) - but what happens if/when the same
item is re-issued again in 30 years?

- There have been at least four versions of the universal joint, but only the
first one is called "old."

We have 70 years of history to look back on and we should be looking ahead to
the next 70 years (at least). Variants and re-issues could be numbered sequentially
rather than labeled as "old" or "new." For previous Lego logos, we could adopt
the descriptive terms that are commonly used like "Open O Style," "Dogbone Style,"
etc., rather than lump them all under "old."

And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.

Stormchaser and I got rid of dozens of those right before he quit... I haven't
tried to work on it with Marek because I don't want him to quit.

No jinx.

The problem is we are still doing it. Kind of hard to clean it up if we don't
stop:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=new&catLike=W&sortBy=D&sortAsc=D&itemBrand=1000&catType=P&v=1
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
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In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  I think one lesson we should have learned by now is that incorporating words
like "old" and "new" into item names, descriptions and part numbers should be
avoided. The problem of course is that what is new today will one day be old
when an even newer version is released and the descriptions lose their meaning.

This has already happened.

- There have been several versions of the Lego logo to appear on items, and the
term "old style" has been applied to more than one of them.

- The 3003old mold is still in production (I'm guilty of that one myself,
having named it after the 3001old and 3002old parts).

- As Lego has re-issued some classic items like minifigs, we are putting "new"
in the part numbers (as in 973px45newc01) - but what happens if/when the same
item is re-issued again in 30 years?

- There have been at least four versions of the universal joint, but only the
first one is called "old."

We have 70 years of history to look back on and we should be looking ahead to
the next 70 years (at least). Variants and re-issues could be numbered sequentially
rather than labeled as "old" or "new." For previous Lego logos, we could adopt
the descriptive terms that are commonly used like "Open O Style," "Dogbone Style,"
etc., rather than lump them all under "old."

And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.

Stormchaser and I got rid of dozens of those right before he quit... I haven't
tried to work on it with Marek because I don't want him to quit.

No jinx.

The problem is we are still doing it. Kind of hard to clean it up if we don't
stop:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=new&catLike=W&sortBy=D&sortAsc=D&itemBrand=1000&catType=P&v=1

And then there's stuff like this:

 
Part No: 50665  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Helmet Old with Thick Chin Strap - with Visor Dimples (Reissue with Top Dimple)
* 
50665 Minifigure, Headgear Helmet Old with Thick Chin Strap - with Visor Dimples (Reissue with Top Dimple)
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Aug 11, 2019 08:20
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In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  I think one lesson we should have learned by now is that incorporating words
like "old" and "new" into item names, descriptions and part numbers should be
avoided. The problem of course is that what is new today will one day be old
when an even newer version is released and the descriptions lose their meaning.

This has already happened.

- There have been several versions of the Lego logo to appear on items, and the
term "old style" has been applied to more than one of them.

- The 3003old mold is still in production (I'm guilty of that one myself,
having named it after the 3001old and 3002old parts).

- As Lego has re-issued some classic items like minifigs, we are putting "new"
in the part numbers (as in 973px45newc01) - but what happens if/when the same
item is re-issued again in 30 years?

- There have been at least four versions of the universal joint, but only the
first one is called "old."

We have 70 years of history to look back on and we should be looking ahead to
the next 70 years (at least). Variants and re-issues could be numbered sequentially
rather than labeled as "old" or "new." For previous Lego logos, we could adopt
the descriptive terms that are commonly used like "Open O Style," "Dogbone Style,"
etc., rather than lump them all under "old."

And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.

Stormchaser and I got rid of dozens of those right before he quit... I haven't
tried to work on it with Marek because I don't want him to quit.

No jinx.

The problem is we are still doing it. Kind of hard to clean it up if we don't
stop:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=new&catLike=W&sortBy=D&sortAsc=D&itemBrand=1000&catType=P&v=1

The New York ones are probably fine.
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In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  I think one lesson we should have learned by now is that incorporating words
like "old" and "new" into item names, descriptions and part numbers should be
avoided. The problem of course is that what is new today will one day be old
when an even newer version is released and the descriptions lose their meaning.

This has already happened.

- There have been several versions of the Lego logo to appear on items, and the
term "old style" has been applied to more than one of them.

- The 3003old mold is still in production (I'm guilty of that one myself,
having named it after the 3001old and 3002old parts).

- As Lego has re-issued some classic items like minifigs, we are putting "new"
in the part numbers (as in 973px45newc01) - but what happens if/when the same
item is re-issued again in 30 years?

- There have been at least four versions of the universal joint, but only the
first one is called "old."

We have 70 years of history to look back on and we should be looking ahead to
the next 70 years (at least). Variants and re-issues could be numbered sequentially
rather than labeled as "old" or "new." For previous Lego logos, we could adopt
the descriptive terms that are commonly used like "Open O Style," "Dogbone Style,"
etc., rather than lump them all under "old."

And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.

Stormchaser and I got rid of dozens of those right before he quit... I haven't
tried to work on it with Marek because I don't want him to quit.

No jinx.

The problem is we are still doing it. Kind of hard to clean it up if we don't
stop:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=new&catLike=W&sortBy=D&sortAsc=D&itemBrand=1000&catType=P&v=1

The New York ones are probably fine.

and "Chinese New Years"
and "New Adventure " as is writen on brick
and "Lunar New Year"
and "WITH NEW HAT!" as is writen on brick
...
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In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  I think one lesson we should have learned by now is that incorporating words
like "old" and "new" into item names, descriptions and part numbers should be
avoided. The problem of course is that what is new today will one day be old
when an even newer version is released and the descriptions lose their meaning.

This has already happened.

- There have been several versions of the Lego logo to appear on items, and the
term "old style" has been applied to more than one of them.

- The 3003old mold is still in production (I'm guilty of that one myself,
having named it after the 3001old and 3002old parts).

- As Lego has re-issued some classic items like minifigs, we are putting "new"
in the part numbers (as in 973px45newc01) - but what happens if/when the same
item is re-issued again in 30 years?

- There have been at least four versions of the universal joint, but only the
first one is called "old."

We have 70 years of history to look back on and we should be looking ahead to
the next 70 years (at least). Variants and re-issues could be numbered sequentially
rather than labeled as "old" or "new." For previous Lego logos, we could adopt
the descriptive terms that are commonly used like "Open O Style," "Dogbone Style,"
etc., rather than lump them all under "old."

And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.

Stormchaser and I got rid of dozens of those right before he quit... I haven't
tried to work on it with Marek because I don't want him to quit.

No jinx.

The problem is we are still doing it. Kind of hard to clean it up if we don't
stop:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=new&catLike=W&sortBy=D&sortAsc=D&itemBrand=1000&catType=P&v=1

The New York ones are probably fine.

and "Chinese New Years"
and "New Adventure " as is writen on brick
and "Lunar New Year"
and "WITH NEW HAT!" as is writen on brick
...


Of course both words have descriptive uses, but the search engine does not yet
recognize context. There are also items that use "old" to describe the age of
a character.
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In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  I think one lesson we should have learned by now is that incorporating words
like "old" and "new" into item names, descriptions and part numbers should be
avoided. The problem of course is that what is new today will one day be old
when an even newer version is released and the descriptions lose their meaning.

This has already happened.

- There have been several versions of the Lego logo to appear on items, and the
term "old style" has been applied to more than one of them.

- The 3003old mold is still in production (I'm guilty of that one myself,
having named it after the 3001old and 3002old parts).

- As Lego has re-issued some classic items like minifigs, we are putting "new"
in the part numbers (as in 973px45newc01) - but what happens if/when the same
item is re-issued again in 30 years?

- There have been at least four versions of the universal joint, but only the
first one is called "old."

We have 70 years of history to look back on and we should be looking ahead to
the next 70 years (at least). Variants and re-issues could be numbered sequentially
rather than labeled as "old" or "new." For previous Lego logos, we could adopt
the descriptive terms that are commonly used like "Open O Style," "Dogbone Style,"
etc., rather than lump them all under "old."

And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.

Stormchaser and I got rid of dozens of those right before he quit... I haven't
tried to work on it with Marek because I don't want him to quit.

No jinx.

The problem is we are still doing it. Kind of hard to clean it up if we don't
stop:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=new&catLike=W&sortBy=D&sortAsc=D&itemBrand=1000&catType=P&v=1

The New York ones are probably fine.

and "Chinese New Years"
and "New Adventure " as is writen on brick
and "Lunar New Year"
and "WITH NEW HAT!" as is writen on brick
...


Of course both words have descriptive uses, but the search engine does not yet
recognize context. There are also items that use "old" to describe the age of
a character.

Can't we have a little fun from it Need you be so serious

Now seriously I try to avoid using this in new added molds. I became admin in
march 2019. So seeing your link in my cadency only five items vere approved with
word "new" two of them need to have this word (it is New York), other three items
are just stickered variants of parts which were in the catalog for longer time.
So they are only a heritage of those names as stickered parts have main name
exactly the same as main part without a pattern. So as you can see no new mold
are added with world 'new' in the describtion recently. I try to name
them showing the difference not going simply by adding 'new type', 'new
mold' or something similar.
Just like those two added today
 
Part No: 52730  Name: Technic, Steering CV Joint Axle, Wide
* 
52730 Technic, Steering CV Joint Axle, Wide
Parts: Technic, Steering
vs. older one
 
Part No: 92906  Name: Technic, Steering CV Joint Axle
* 
92906 Technic, Steering CV Joint Axle
Parts: Technic, Steering

and
 
Part No: 52731  Name: Technic, Steering CV Joint, Large Ball
* 
52731 Technic, Steering CV Joint, Large Ball
Parts: Technic, Steering
vs. older one
 
Part No: 32494  Name: Technic, Steering CV Joint
* 
32494 Technic, Steering CV Joint
Parts: Technic, Steering

or yesterday one
 
Part No: 28974  Name: Minifigure, Neck Bracket with Back Stud - Thick Back Wall
* 
28974 Minifigure, Neck Bracket with Back Stud - Thick Back Wall
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear
vs.
 
Part No: 42446  Name: Minifigure, Neck Bracket with Back Stud - Thin Back Wall
* 
42446 Minifigure, Neck Bracket with Back Stud - Thin Back Wall
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear
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In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  I think one lesson we should have learned by now is that incorporating words
like "old" and "new" into item names, descriptions and part numbers should be
avoided. The problem of course is that what is new today will one day be old
when an even newer version is released and the descriptions lose their meaning.

This has already happened.

- There have been several versions of the Lego logo to appear on items, and the
term "old style" has been applied to more than one of them.

- The 3003old mold is still in production (I'm guilty of that one myself,
having named it after the 3001old and 3002old parts).

- As Lego has re-issued some classic items like minifigs, we are putting "new"
in the part numbers (as in 973px45newc01) - but what happens if/when the same
item is re-issued again in 30 years?

- There have been at least four versions of the universal joint, but only the
first one is called "old."

We have 70 years of history to look back on and we should be looking ahead to
the next 70 years (at least). Variants and re-issues could be numbered sequentially
rather than labeled as "old" or "new." For previous Lego logos, we could adopt
the descriptive terms that are commonly used like "Open O Style," "Dogbone Style,"
etc., rather than lump them all under "old."

And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.

Stormchaser and I got rid of dozens of those right before he quit... I haven't
tried to work on it with Marek because I don't want him to quit.

No jinx.

The problem is we are still doing it. Kind of hard to clean it up if we don't
stop:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=new&catLike=W&sortBy=D&sortAsc=D&itemBrand=1000&catType=P&v=1

The New York ones are probably fine.

and "Chinese New Years"
and "New Adventure " as is writen on brick
and "Lunar New Year"
and "WITH NEW HAT!" as is writen on brick
...


Of course both words have descriptive uses, but the search engine does not yet
recognize context. There are also items that use "old" to describe the age of
a character.

Can't we have a little fun from it Need you be so serious

Now seriously I try to avoid using this in new added molds. I became admin in
march 2019. So seeing your link in my cadency only five items vere approved with
word "new" two of them need to have this word (it is New York), other three items
are just stickered variants of parts which were in the catalog for longer time.
So they are only a heritage of those names as stickered parts have main name
exactly the same as main part without a pattern. So as you can see no new mold
are added with world 'new' in the describtion recently. I try to name
them showing the difference not going simply by adding 'new type', 'new
mold' or something similar.
Just like those two added today
 
Part No: 52730  Name: Technic, Steering CV Joint Axle, Wide
* 
52730 Technic, Steering CV Joint Axle, Wide
Parts: Technic, Steering
vs. older one
 
Part No: 92906  Name: Technic, Steering CV Joint Axle
* 
92906 Technic, Steering CV Joint Axle
Parts: Technic, Steering

and
 
Part No: 52731  Name: Technic, Steering CV Joint, Large Ball
* 
52731 Technic, Steering CV Joint, Large Ball
Parts: Technic, Steering
vs. older one
 
Part No: 32494  Name: Technic, Steering CV Joint
* 
32494 Technic, Steering CV Joint
Parts: Technic, Steering

or yesterday one
 
Part No: 28974  Name: Minifigure, Neck Bracket with Back Stud - Thick Back Wall
* 
28974 Minifigure, Neck Bracket with Back Stud - Thick Back Wall
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear
vs.
 
Part No: 42446  Name: Minifigure, Neck Bracket with Back Stud - Thin Back Wall
* 
42446 Minifigure, Neck Bracket with Back Stud - Thin Back Wall
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear

I think my own joke about the search engine not understanding context was lost
in translation.

Thank you for avoiding the terms new and old. Perhaps this one was just before
you took over:

 
Part No: 2574c01  Name: Pullback Motor Old with Black Tires 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread (2574 / 3483)
* 
2574c01 (Inv) Pullback Motor Old with Black Tires 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread (2574 / 3483)
Parts: Motor, Non-Electric

Also, this is a very confusing situation:

 
Part No: 50665  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Helmet Old with Thick Chin Strap - with Visor Dimples (Reissue with Top Dimple)
* 
50665 Minifigure, Headgear Helmet Old with Thick Chin Strap - with Visor Dimples (Reissue with Top Dimple)
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

This is not an old helmet. It's a reissue made to look like an older helmet.
(It also looks nothing like the older thick chinstrap helmets, but that's
a different issue.) However, when you look at the minifigs which include this
"old" helmet, it is called the "updated" helmet.

 
Minifig No: tlm110  Name: Classic Space - White with Airtanks and Updated Helmet (Third Reissue - Jenny)
* 
tlm110 (Inv) Classic Space - White with Airtanks and Updated Helmet (Third Reissue - Jenny)
Minifigs: The LEGO Movie 2

If we had initially called these helmets "cylindrical" instead of "old" (to distinguish
them from the more spherical versions that replaced them) we maybe would not
have ended up with apparently nonsensical descriptions of a part being both "old"
and "updated."
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It really annoys me that we can't edit posts. I cancelled the other one
because a link was incorrect.

  Perhaps this one was just before
you took over:

 
Part No: 2574c01  Name: Pullback Motor Old with Black Tires 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread (2574 / 3483)
* 
2574c01 (Inv) Pullback Motor Old with Black Tires 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread (2574 / 3483)
Parts: Motor, Non-Electric

The reason for this was that it is a counterpart made of two parts.

 
Part No: 2574  Name: Pullback Motor Old
* 
2574 Pullback Motor Old
Parts: Motor, Non-Electric
 
Part No: 3483  Name: Tire 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread
* 
3483 Tire 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread
Parts: Tire & Tread

So its name is a combination of those names. I agree that I should have take
the time to change the name of 2574 first. What do you think its name should
be?
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
 Posted: Aug 11, 2019 17:28
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In Catalog, axaday writes:
  It really annoys me that we can't edit posts. I cancelled the other one
because a link was incorrect.

  Perhaps this one was just before
you took over:

 
Part No: 2574c01  Name: Pullback Motor Old with Black Tires 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread (2574 / 3483)
* 
2574c01 (Inv) Pullback Motor Old with Black Tires 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread (2574 / 3483)
Parts: Motor, Non-Electric

The reason for this was that it is a counterpart made of two parts.

 
Part No: 2574  Name: Pullback Motor Old
* 
2574 Pullback Motor Old
Parts: Motor, Non-Electric
 
Part No: 3483  Name: Tire 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread
* 
3483 Tire 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread
Parts: Tire & Tread

So its name is a combination of those names. I agree that I should have take
the time to change the name of 2574 first. What do you think its name should
be?

I've done the same thing and followed past naming conventions.

The other pullback motors in the catalog just use the dimensions, so maybe this
one should just be "Pullback Motor 9 x 4 x 2" (if that is the height - I can't
tell exactly and I don't have one).
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 Posted: Aug 11, 2019 17:34
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In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  It really annoys me that we can't edit posts. I cancelled the other one
because a link was incorrect.

  Perhaps this one was just before
you took over:

 
Part No: 2574c01  Name: Pullback Motor Old with Black Tires 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread (2574 / 3483)
* 
2574c01 (Inv) Pullback Motor Old with Black Tires 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread (2574 / 3483)
Parts: Motor, Non-Electric

The reason for this was that it is a counterpart made of two parts.

 
Part No: 2574  Name: Pullback Motor Old
* 
2574 Pullback Motor Old
Parts: Motor, Non-Electric
 
Part No: 3483  Name: Tire 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread
* 
3483 Tire 24mm D. x 8mm Offset Tread
Parts: Tire & Tread

So its name is a combination of those names. I agree that I should have take
the time to change the name of 2574 first. What do you think its name should
be?

I've done the same thing and followed past naming conventions.

The other pullback motors in the catalog just use the dimensions, so maybe this
one should just be "Pullback Motor 9 x 4 x 2" (if that is the height - I can't
tell exactly and I don't have one).

Mine sold. I can't measure it either.
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In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  I think one lesson we should have learned by now is that incorporating words
like "old" and "new" into item names, descriptions and part numbers should be
avoided. The problem of course is that what is new today will one day be old
when an even newer version is released and the descriptions lose their meaning.

This has already happened.

- There have been several versions of the Lego logo to appear on items, and the
term "old style" has been applied to more than one of them.

- The 3003old mold is still in production (I'm guilty of that one myself,
having named it after the 3001old and 3002old parts).

- As Lego has re-issued some classic items like minifigs, we are putting "new"
in the part numbers (as in 973px45newc01) - but what happens if/when the same
item is re-issued again in 30 years?

- There have been at least four versions of the universal joint, but only the
first one is called "old."

We have 70 years of history to look back on and we should be looking ahead to
the next 70 years (at least). Variants and re-issues could be numbered sequentially
rather than labeled as "old" or "new." For previous Lego logos, we could adopt
the descriptive terms that are commonly used like "Open O Style," "Dogbone Style,"
etc., rather than lump them all under "old."

And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.

Stormchaser and I got rid of dozens of those right before he quit... I haven't
tried to work on it with Marek because I don't want him to quit.

No jinx.

The problem is we are still doing it. Kind of hard to clean it up if we don't
stop:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=new&catLike=W&sortBy=D&sortAsc=D&itemBrand=1000&catType=P&v=1

Of course, more wait, more work

It's not a huge work to rename part with "old" and "new" inside description.
it appear "only" :
- 187 parts with "% old %" in description
- 84 parts with "% new %" in description

Look a this example:
 
Part No: 4362c01  Name: Fabuland Car Chassis 12 x 6 New (no Hitch)
* 
4362c01 Fabuland Car Chassis 12 x 6 New (no Hitch)
Parts: Fabuland
 
Part No: x852c01  Name: Fabuland Car Chassis 12 x 6 Old (with Hitch)
* 
x852c01 Fabuland Car Chassis 12 x 6 Old (with Hitch)
Parts: Fabuland

Should be:
4362c01 Fabuland Car Chassis 12 x 6 without Hitch
x852c01 Fabuland Car Chassis 12 x 6 with Hitch

No more easy than that.

Personally, when I look at a part description "without xxx" it mean that the
part "with XXX" exist.
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In Catalog, FreeStorm writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  I think one lesson we should have learned by now is that incorporating words
like "old" and "new" into item names, descriptions and part numbers should be
avoided. The problem of course is that what is new today will one day be old
when an even newer version is released and the descriptions lose their meaning.

This has already happened.

- There have been several versions of the Lego logo to appear on items, and the
term "old style" has been applied to more than one of them.

- The 3003old mold is still in production (I'm guilty of that one myself,
having named it after the 3001old and 3002old parts).

- As Lego has re-issued some classic items like minifigs, we are putting "new"
in the part numbers (as in 973px45newc01) - but what happens if/when the same
item is re-issued again in 30 years?

- There have been at least four versions of the universal joint, but only the
first one is called "old."

We have 70 years of history to look back on and we should be looking ahead to
the next 70 years (at least). Variants and re-issues could be numbered sequentially
rather than labeled as "old" or "new." For previous Lego logos, we could adopt
the descriptive terms that are commonly used like "Open O Style," "Dogbone Style,"
etc., rather than lump them all under "old."

And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.

Stormchaser and I got rid of dozens of those right before he quit... I haven't
tried to work on it with Marek because I don't want him to quit.

No jinx.

The problem is we are still doing it. Kind of hard to clean it up if we don't
stop:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?pg=1&q=new&catLike=W&sortBy=D&sortAsc=D&itemBrand=1000&catType=P&v=1

Of course, more wait, more work

It's not a huge work to rename part with "old" and "new" inside description.
it appear "only" :
- 187 parts with "% old %" in description
- 84 parts with "% new %" in description

Look a this example:
 
Part No: 4362c01  Name: Fabuland Car Chassis 12 x 6 New (no Hitch)
* 
4362c01 Fabuland Car Chassis 12 x 6 New (no Hitch)
Parts: Fabuland
 
Part No: x852c01  Name: Fabuland Car Chassis 12 x 6 Old (with Hitch)
* 
x852c01 Fabuland Car Chassis 12 x 6 Old (with Hitch)
Parts: Fabuland

Should be:
4362c01 Fabuland Car Chassis 12 x 6 without Hitch
x852c01 Fabuland Car Chassis 12 x 6 with Hitch

No more easy than that.

Personally, when I look at a part description "without xxx" it mean that the
part "with XXX" exist.

Before changing the way things have been done in the past, we need to have a
complete understanding of *why* things were done that way and a clear, smooth
path to changing to a different way.

Naming conventions often have arisen out of a need for expediency, as coming
up with a better way just took too much time. The question is, "Do we have have
more time now than when these parts were first named?"

Regarding this old/new issue, sometimes these were used when parts were not yet
added to inventories, and as a temporary measure I think the designations could
help people in a time of transition figure out what is going on.
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In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  I think one lesson we should have learned by now is that incorporating words
like "old" and "new" into item names, descriptions and part numbers should be
avoided. The problem of course is that what is new today will one day be old
when an even newer version is released and the descriptions lose their meaning.

This has already happened.

- There have been several versions of the Lego logo to appear on items, and the
term "old style" has been applied to more than one of them.

- The 3003old mold is still in production (I'm guilty of that one myself,
having named it after the 3001old and 3002old parts).

- As Lego has re-issued some classic items like minifigs, we are putting "new"
in the part numbers (as in 973px45newc01) - but what happens if/when the same
item is re-issued again in 30 years?

- There have been at least four versions of the universal joint, but only the
first one is called "old."

We have 70 years of history to look back on and we should be looking ahead to
the next 70 years (at least). Variants and re-issues could be numbered sequentially
rather than labeled as "old" or "new." For previous Lego logos, we could adopt
the descriptive terms that are commonly used like "Open O Style," "Dogbone Style,"
etc., rather than lump them all under "old."

And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.

Added this to road map
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476
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In Catalog, 62Bricks writes:
  And we should not be calling anything "new." Only the difference from the previous
version should be described.

What Stormchaser and I did was change a lot of things from "old style" and "new
style" to "first version" and "second version"