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 Author: gogogovro View Messages Posted By gogogovro
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gogogovro (557)

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Just checked the roadmap page to see if there are any updates. I don't know
when this happened, but "Seller Tools" has been removed. The only new features
being worked on are "Bricklink XP (Mobile)". So are the seller tools discontinued
or are they being wrapped up into Bricklink XP? Maybe I'm misremembering,
but I'm pretty sure "seller tools" was under the "new features" category
a few months ago.
 Author: gwurst View Messages Posted By gwurst
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It seems they've abandoned any other real improvements. Not a great sign.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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In General, gogogovro writes:
  Just checked the roadmap page to see if there are any updates. I don't know
when this happened, but "Seller Tools" has been removed. The only new features
being worked on are "Bricklink XP (Mobile)". So are the seller tools discontinued
or are they being wrapped up into Bricklink XP? Maybe I'm misremembering,
but I'm pretty sure "seller tools" was under the "new features" category
a few months ago.

I think it's been discontinued due to money problems. It seems to me that
the owner is pulling relatively much of money out of Bricklink (we can calculate
the revenue from the amount of orders and it's not bad) without putting much
back into it. It's leaving Bricklink and the few employees that it has without
a lot of juice to make anything special happen around here. Bricklink seems basically
frozen in place and I think it's best to assume it will remain that way.
It's good news and bad news I guess: No new features but no decisions that
ruin things either

In General,Admin_Russell writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  I'm curious to see what those seller tools are going
to look like. Would be nice to finally see some investment in BL itself.

  And how is that investment supposed to happen without finances? This is why ADP
is so critical. For years BrickLink has tried to develop a revenue stream capable
of funding proper maintenance and development of the site. Now we have a chance
at something that could work. IMO this is the ticket to get the rest accomplished.

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1129048

So sounds like they're waiting for a ticket (ie. money) to be able to do
stuff.

I guess Bricklink is what it is, and it's down to our creativity and problem
solving skills to make it work for us
 Author: leopard37 View Messages Posted By leopard37
 Posted: Jul 24, 2019 11:46
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  And how is that investment supposed to happen without finances? This is why ADP
is so critical. For years BrickLink has tried to develop a revenue stream capable
of funding proper maintenance and development of the site. Now we have a chance
at something that could work. IMO this is the ticket to get the rest accomplished.

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1129048

So sounds like they're waiting for a ticket (ie. money) to be able to do
stuff.

I guess Bricklink is what it is, and it's down to our creativity and problem
solving skills to make it work for us

And based on what's on the roadmap, ADP is now funding XP because that's
the only thing they are working on...?!?

Well I hate to say it, but I want to see proof that they don't have money
to develop anything on this site. If that is the case they need to raise fees
by 1% and actually make changes.

Tyson.
 Author: JusTiCe8 View Messages Posted By JusTiCe8
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Money is not the main issue, skills and will looks like to be as well as actually
making things better for everyone, still, inability to communicate(*) drag everything
else down.


* is that so hard ? why communication means has known so much improvements along
the mankind history to end with "autistic", no disrespect to those who are defined
as such, people who don't know how to talk to each other !


In General, leopard37 writes:

  And based on what's on the roadmap, ADP is now funding XP because that's
the only thing they are working on...?!?

Well I hate to say it, but I want to see proof that they don't have money
to develop anything on this site. If that is the case they need to raise fees
by 1% and actually make changes.

Tyson.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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In General, leopard37 writes:
  
  
  And how is that investment supposed to happen without finances? This is why ADP
is so critical. For years BrickLink has tried to develop a revenue stream capable
of funding proper maintenance and development of the site. Now we have a chance
at something that could work. IMO this is the ticket to get the rest accomplished.

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1129048

So sounds like they're waiting for a ticket (ie. money) to be able to do
stuff.

I guess Bricklink is what it is, and it's down to our creativity and problem
solving skills to make it work for us

And based on what's on the roadmap, ADP is now funding XP because that's
the only thing they are working on...?!?

Well I hate to say it, but I want to see proof that they don't have money
to develop anything on this site. If that is the case they need to raise fees
by 1% and actually make changes.

Tyson.

Whoa whoa, slow down. As I said the site definitely generates enough revenue
to hire a reasonably sized team - you can calculate it based on the amount of
orders per year Bricklink is getting. If there is no money, my logical conclusion
is that it's the owner who's taking too bug a chunk out it to have a
vital Bricklink. If they're raising fees, I'm definitely not going to
pay it..
I think the owner's policy is simply to have a minimum of costs for his Bricklink
and take out of it whatever isn't strictly needed to keep it running.
 Author: leopard37 View Messages Posted By leopard37
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, leopard37 writes:
  
  
  And how is that investment supposed to happen without finances? This is why ADP
is so critical. For years BrickLink has tried to develop a revenue stream capable
of funding proper maintenance and development of the site. Now we have a chance
at something that could work. IMO this is the ticket to get the rest accomplished.

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1129048

So sounds like they're waiting for a ticket (ie. money) to be able to do
stuff.

I guess Bricklink is what it is, and it's down to our creativity and problem
solving skills to make it work for us

And based on what's on the roadmap, ADP is now funding XP because that's
the only thing they are working on...?!?

Well I hate to say it, but I want to see proof that they don't have money
to develop anything on this site. If that is the case they need to raise fees
by 1% and actually make changes.

Tyson.

Whoa whoa, slow down. As I said the site definitely generates enough revenue
to hire a reasonably sized team - you can calculate it based on the amount of
orders per year Bricklink is getting. If there is no money, my logical conclusion
is that it's the owner who's taking too bug a chunk out it to have a
vital Bricklink. If they're raising fees, I'm definitely not going to
pay it..
I think the owner's policy is simply to have a minimum of costs for his Bricklink
and take out of it whatever isn't strictly needed to keep it running.

Yes but it isn't running... it needs improvement, half the time the website
is down. It requires a major overhaul with the amount of data it now processes.
And obviously the owner isn't willing to pony up so maybe the sellers have
to. Frankly the downward spiral of part prices and TLG doing everything they
can to eliminate the dominance of the aftermarket will push it so the current
percentage won't make it worth it.

When I started doing this 3 years ago there wasn't a Star Wars set that fell
below a 2x payback on MSRP partout, now some are 1.5 and less right on release.
Some city sets are not even a 1x payback on partout.

Our margins have slimmed, perhaps the owners need to as well.

Just my 2 cents. It will happen eventually Teup, they will raise fees. It's
just a matter of when. And when it happens the fallout will either kill BL or
revitalize it to something better.

Russel's statement of ADP was needed to fund improvements showed that they
could not handle the process of making sets in a manner that satisfied the people
buying the sets and cost them feedback to customers. How many buyers walked from
this site based on not hearing answers to questions that in all rights should
have been answered.

If they can't make this site work with the revenue they have they have to
get other revenue, they have tried how many different ways to get that revenue
that didn't work. Seller percentages have always been on that list as a way
of getting more revenue, don't kid yourself. The only issue is that they
will have to justify it.

Tyson.
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In General, leopard37 writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, leopard37 writes:
  
  
  And how is that investment supposed to happen without finances? This is why ADP
is so critical. For years BrickLink has tried to develop a revenue stream capable
of funding proper maintenance and development of the site. Now we have a chance
at something that could work. IMO this is the ticket to get the rest accomplished.

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1129048

So sounds like they're waiting for a ticket (ie. money) to be able to do
stuff.

I guess Bricklink is what it is, and it's down to our creativity and problem
solving skills to make it work for us

And based on what's on the roadmap, ADP is now funding XP because that's
the only thing they are working on...?!?

Well I hate to say it, but I want to see proof that they don't have money
to develop anything on this site. If that is the case they need to raise fees
by 1% and actually make changes.

Tyson.

Whoa whoa, slow down. As I said the site definitely generates enough revenue
to hire a reasonably sized team - you can calculate it based on the amount of
orders per year Bricklink is getting. If there is no money, my logical conclusion
is that it's the owner who's taking too bug a chunk out it to have a
vital Bricklink. If they're raising fees, I'm definitely not going to
pay it..
I think the owner's policy is simply to have a minimum of costs for his Bricklink
and take out of it whatever isn't strictly needed to keep it running.

Yes but it isn't running... it needs improvement, half the time the website
is down. It requires a major overhaul with the amount of data it now processes.
And obviously the owner isn't willing to pony up so maybe the sellers have
to. Frankly the downward spiral of part prices and TLG doing everything they
can to eliminate the dominance of the aftermarket will push it so the current
percentage won't make it worth it.

When I started doing this 3 years ago there wasn't a Star Wars set that fell
below a 2x payback on MSRP partout, now some are 1.5 and less right on release.
Some city sets are not even a 1x payback on partout.

Our margins have slimmed, perhaps the owners need to as well.

Just my 2 cents. It will happen eventually Teup, they will raise fees. It's
just a matter of when. And when it happens the fallout will either kill BL or
revitalize it to something better.

Russel's statement of ADP was needed to fund improvements showed that they
could not handle the process of making sets in a manner that satisfied the people
buying the sets and cost them feedback to customers. How many buyers walked from
this site based on not hearing answers to questions that in all rights should
have been answered.

If they can't make this site work with the revenue they have they have to
get other revenue, they have tried how many different ways to get that revenue
that didn't work. Seller percentages have always been on that list as a way
of getting more revenue, don't kid yourself. The only issue is that they
will have to justify it.

Tyson.

What you say makes sense. But one thing though, how about this option:
The owner takes a smaller chunk out of the turnover for himself than he currently
does, puts it into hiring some 5 to 10 or so extra folks to stabilise the site,
pick up communicating with the community and investigating what is needed, fix
bugs, answer helpdesk tickets, eventually implement new features..
Then have the site generate an x% more revenue and then the owner can go ahead
and take back that x% of revenue for himself? Then everyone has won. Of course
that would require more active involvement from the owner which he may not necessarily
be interested in or have time for.
 Author: leopard37 View Messages Posted By leopard37
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, leopard37 writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, leopard37 writes:
  
  
  And how is that investment supposed to happen without finances? This is why ADP
is so critical. For years BrickLink has tried to develop a revenue stream capable
of funding proper maintenance and development of the site. Now we have a chance
at something that could work. IMO this is the ticket to get the rest accomplished.

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1129048

So sounds like they're waiting for a ticket (ie. money) to be able to do
stuff.

I guess Bricklink is what it is, and it's down to our creativity and problem
solving skills to make it work for us

And based on what's on the roadmap, ADP is now funding XP because that's
the only thing they are working on...?!?

Well I hate to say it, but I want to see proof that they don't have money
to develop anything on this site. If that is the case they need to raise fees
by 1% and actually make changes.

Tyson.

Whoa whoa, slow down. As I said the site definitely generates enough revenue
to hire a reasonably sized team - you can calculate it based on the amount of
orders per year Bricklink is getting. If there is no money, my logical conclusion
is that it's the owner who's taking too bug a chunk out it to have a
vital Bricklink. If they're raising fees, I'm definitely not going to
pay it..
I think the owner's policy is simply to have a minimum of costs for his Bricklink
and take out of it whatever isn't strictly needed to keep it running.

Yes but it isn't running... it needs improvement, half the time the website
is down. It requires a major overhaul with the amount of data it now processes.
And obviously the owner isn't willing to pony up so maybe the sellers have
to. Frankly the downward spiral of part prices and TLG doing everything they
can to eliminate the dominance of the aftermarket will push it so the current
percentage won't make it worth it.

When I started doing this 3 years ago there wasn't a Star Wars set that fell
below a 2x payback on MSRP partout, now some are 1.5 and less right on release.
Some city sets are not even a 1x payback on partout.

Our margins have slimmed, perhaps the owners need to as well.

Just my 2 cents. It will happen eventually Teup, they will raise fees. It's
just a matter of when. And when it happens the fallout will either kill BL or
revitalize it to something better.

Russel's statement of ADP was needed to fund improvements showed that they
could not handle the process of making sets in a manner that satisfied the people
buying the sets and cost them feedback to customers. How many buyers walked from
this site based on not hearing answers to questions that in all rights should
have been answered.

If they can't make this site work with the revenue they have they have to
get other revenue, they have tried how many different ways to get that revenue
that didn't work. Seller percentages have always been on that list as a way
of getting more revenue, don't kid yourself. The only issue is that they
will have to justify it.

Tyson.

What you say makes sense. But one thing though, how about this option:
The owner takes a smaller chunk out of the turnover for himself than he currently
does, puts it into hiring some 5 to 10 or so extra folks to stabilise the site,
pick up communicating with the community and investigating what is needed, fix
bugs, answer helpdesk tickets, eventually implement new features..
Then have the site generate an x% more revenue and then the owner can go ahead
and take back that x% of revenue for himself? Then everyone has won. Of course
that would require more active involvement from the owner which he may not necessarily
be interested in or have time for.

I think ideally that's what sellers have been chirping about for the last
2 years. I do believe the ship has sailed on that action. Ain't gonna happen...

Tyson.
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, gogogovro writes:
  Just checked the roadmap page to see if there are any updates. I don't know
when this happened, but "Seller Tools" has been removed. The only new features
being worked on are "Bricklink XP (Mobile)". So are the seller tools discontinued
or are they being wrapped up into Bricklink XP? Maybe I'm misremembering,
but I'm pretty sure "seller tools" was under the "new features" category
a few months ago.

I think it's been discontinued due to money problems. It seems to me that
the owner is pulling relatively much of money out of Bricklink (we can calculate
the revenue from the amount of orders and it's not bad) without putting much
back into it. It's leaving Bricklink and the few employees that it has without
a lot of juice to make anything special happen around here. Bricklink seems basically
frozen in place and I think it's best to assume it will remain that way.
It's good news and bad news I guess: No new features but no decisions that
ruin things either

Hate to disagree with you Teup, but the owner, who is a multi billionaire. is
unlikely to be taking funds out at present. His goal early this year was to sell
the parent company and in order to do that he will have tried to get as much
cash into each of them as he could - hardly a recipe for taking funds out. His
purchase of Bricklink would have been capitalised as either a directors loan
or converted to share capital, depending on circumstances. Share capital would
have been his best route as the purchase cost would have made the liabilities
to strong on the balance sheet.

They are not generating enough revenues to forge forward and whether that is
because they are overpaying for what they have got or their resources are too
expensive for what they are bringing in is something only they can answer in
reality, Developers are not cheap in most areas of the world (not all) but the
USA is not far from the top of the list for costs.

If you re-read Admin_Russelles statement about the AFOL program creating a revenue
stream that suggests it wasn't being done as a one off - they want an additional
revenue stream and felt that program might do that. It is obvious it didn't
although it may have created additional revenue. That looks like it is short
term unless when they launch the long overdue xp they choose to continue to run
their store, competing with the ordinary stores and selling exclusives. Only
time will tell with that.

What may have happened with sellers tools is they recognised what was wanted/needed
and said that was not in their minds and would involve far too much development,
including working on the classic site - which they simply do not wish to do.

They have also posted in this forum that we were to be wary of investing in 3rd
party tools such as Brickstock Pro as they may wish to stop support for that
relationship at sometime in the future.

Put it all together and see what you come up with. You are a very intelligent
guy. The funny thing is no one really knows where this leaves the existing stores.
  
In General,Admin_Russell writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  I'm curious to see what those seller tools are going
to look like. Would be nice to finally see some investment in BL itself.

  And how is that investment supposed to happen without finances? This is why ADP
is so critical. For years BrickLink has tried to develop a revenue stream capable
of funding proper maintenance and development of the site. Now we have a chance
at something that could work. IMO this is the ticket to get the rest accomplished.

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1129048

So sounds like they're waiting for a ticket (ie. money) to be able to do
stuff.

I guess Bricklink is what it is, and it's down to our creativity and problem
solving skills to make it work for us
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  […]
Put it all together and see what you come up with. You are a very intelligent
guy. The funny thing is no one really knows where this leaves the existing stores.

There’s an expression about a wisely named creek and the absence of a paddle
that comes to mind….
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In General, SylvainLS writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  […]
Put it all together and see what you come up with. You are a very intelligent
guy. The funny thing is no one really knows where this leaves the existing stores.

There’s an expression about a wisely named creek and the absence of a paddle

- Have heard of that one. There is also one something to do with a fan
  that comes to mind….
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Hope not, I'm sitting in front of one right now.





In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, SylvainLS writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  […]
Put it all together and see what you come up with. You are a very intelligent
guy. The funny thing is no one really knows where this leaves the existing stores.

There’s an expression about a wisely named creek and the absence of a paddle

- Have heard of that one. There is also one something to do with a fan
  that comes to mind….
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In General, Stuart9 writes:
  Hope not, I'm sitting in front of one right now.

Outs are on as well - but the main office is air conditioned. I can't wait
to see the months electric bill
  




In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, SylvainLS writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  […]
Put it all together and see what you come up with. You are a very intelligent
guy. The funny thing is no one really knows where this leaves the existing stores.

There’s an expression about a wisely named creek and the absence of a paddle

- Have heard of that one. There is also one something to do with a fan
  that comes to mind….
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In General, gogogovro writes:
  Just checked the roadmap page to see if there are any updates. I don't know
when this happened, but "Seller Tools" has been removed. The only new features
being worked on are "Bricklink XP (Mobile)". So are the seller tools discontinued
or are they being wrapped up into Bricklink XP? Maybe I'm misremembering,
but I'm pretty sure "seller tools" was under the "new features" category
a few months ago.

NO it isn't there - you are correct and despite Admin_Russells comments a
while ago about the launch of XP (Phase 1 in March 2019) with Sellers tools coming
after that, it is now apparent they have abandoned all work on the classic site,
perhaps in the hopes that XP will convert everyone. I think, to be honest, there
is more chance of H... freezing over.

It is a real shame when people don't listen to their customers or communicate
what is happening (whichever way you want to look at it)

And now watch the trolls come along.
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Store: Bricker King
I would definitely not be so bummed about this news if our Bricklink overlords
just communicated more with sellers. BrickLink, if you’re listening: Tell sellers
your future plans. Keep us in the loop. Tell us WHY a feature has been taken
off the roadmap. Maybe even ask for our input - even if you don’t use it. In
a word: c o m m u n i c a t e.

Btw, XP is a horrible name in my opinion. I hope it’s just a development name
because the only thought it conjures up is my old pc running windows xp that
can’t even surf the web.

In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, gogogovro writes:
  Just checked the roadmap page to see if there are any updates. I don't know
when this happened, but "Seller Tools" has been removed. The only new features
being worked on are "Bricklink XP (Mobile)". So are the seller tools discontinued
or are they being wrapped up into Bricklink XP? Maybe I'm misremembering,
but I'm pretty sure "seller tools" was under the "new features" category
a few months ago.

NO it isn't there - you are correct and despite Admin_Russells comments a
while ago about the launch of XP (Phase 1 in March 2019) with Sellers tools coming
after that, it is now apparent they have abandoned all work on the classic site,
perhaps in the hopes that XP will convert everyone. I think, to be honest, there
is more chance of H... freezing over.

It is a real shame when people don't listen to their customers or communicate
what is happening (whichever way you want to look at it)

And now watch the trolls come along.
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Jul 24, 2019 16:00
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bje (1288)

Location:  South Africa, Western Cape
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May 24, 2010 Contact Member Seller
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Store: JE Bricks
In General, gogogovro writes:
  Just checked the roadmap page to see if there are any updates. I don't know
when this happened, but "Seller Tools" has been removed. The only new features
being worked on are "Bricklink XP (Mobile)". So are the seller tools discontinued
or are they being wrapped up into Bricklink XP? Maybe I'm misremembering,
but I'm pretty sure "seller tools" was under the "new features" category
a few months ago.

After all this time of promises it was beginning to sound like my diabetic, heart
diseased father telling me he has a new year's resolution to quit smoking,
stop drinking coke and to finally can the insulin injections before he gets kidney
failure - it is a nice idea and it makes for warm fuzzy feelings for awhile,
but then time goes on and you just know it ain't gonna happen. It saddens
you, it makes you angry, it teaches you acceptance but deep down you know that
it should not do those things. Deep down you know that much as you want to believe
a promise of improvement, you also know that you will be disappointed - every
time. After a number of years I can honestly say that BL and my father have something
in common - I try not to believe a word when they tell me about future improvements.
Alas I still fail mostly because I so want things to be better.

The idea that XP is going to be the lifesaver when existing customers cannot
be serviced as promised is frankly stupid. I will say one thing for the ADP program
- much as I agree in principle that it makes business sense and much as I think
that it should be repeated with some lessons learned - BL's first venture
into brand expansion was a bit of mixed bag. The usual crap communication clearly
did not cut it with their added customer base and I am glad BL experienced what
it was they are getting themselves in for on the XP side of things. I hope BL
staff shared their experiences of managing customer expectations with the owner.
Maybe their real customer requests for proper support will not fall on deaf ears
in the future.

I have a feeling that the staff is at present overstretched, under-resourced
and clearly under pressure to deliver more bang for less buck. ADP was created
as a profit centre. It must also plough back into the business, but that should
have been done with fee revenue already and it should have been done long ago.
Creating more profit centres with no ploughback just results into more stretching
of resources and more problems. Common sense really. Eventually BL might go full
circle and start a focus on the core of its business again, if the owner actually
still know what it is, because I sure as hell do not know what BL's core
is really about any longer. And if customers do not know what the business is
about or where it is going to, clearly communication or lack thereof is not the
only train smash in the making.

But then again, maybe the sellers tools got removed from the roadmap because,
gasp, it is 4 months later than last promised, gasp, actually ready for release.
Maybe I am too optimistic for my own good.
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
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popsicle (5722)

Location:  USA, Washington
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Store: ConstrucToys
In General, bje writes:
  After all this time of promises it was beginning to sound like my diabetic, heart
diseased father telling me he has a new year's resolution to quit smoking,
stop drinking coke and to finally can the insulin injections before he gets kidney
failure - it is a nice idea and it makes for warm fuzzy feelings for awhile,
but then time goes on and you just know it ain't gonna happen. It saddens
you, it makes you angry, it teaches you acceptance but deep down you know that
it should not do those things. Deep down you know that much as you want to believe
a promise of improvement, you also know that you will be disappointed - every
time. After a number of years I can honestly say that BL and my father have something
in common - I try not to believe a word when they tell me about future improvements.

I can appreciate the analogy. More than appreciate, I very much respect the sharing
of your personal story and the strong feelings you have concerning your dad's
health.

People, will disappoint only if you care, and clearly you do. Those types of
let-downs are nothing to shun. The type of "disappointment" you've expressed
in BL, is more disgruntlement, and IMO is not analogous to how your father makes
you feel (or how you make yourself feel about your father). Maybe you
do have such a strong attachment to the site, that it is the same emotion, but
I doubt it.

Just thoughts, that aren't even strong enough to move into opinion. Only
you really know, after-all.

  Alas I still fail mostly because I so want things to be better.

To this, I'll quote some dude on some type spaceship at some point in an
unspecified future, that is to just "Make it so, Number One!" Your father's
one thing. But when disgruntled with the site, use the feeling to create opportunity
with lateral moves, that most often lead to new doors opening.

Now if you'll excuse me, I think I'll email my dad...

-Cory
 Author: Brick.Door View Messages Posted By Brick.Door
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Brick.Door (5188)

Location:  USA, New York
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In General, gogogovro writes:
  Just checked the roadmap page to see if there are any updates. I don't know
when this happened, but "Seller Tools" has been removed. The only new features
being worked on are "Bricklink XP (Mobile)". So are the seller tools discontinued
or are they being wrapped up into Bricklink XP? Maybe I'm misremembering,
but I'm pretty sure "seller tools" was under the "new features" category
a few months ago.

It was a choice between seller tools and custom virtual decals for minifigure
torsos in stud.io. You can't have everything.

Obviously they made the right decision.
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calsbricks (5824)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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In General, Brick.Door writes:
  In General, gogogovro writes:
  Just checked the roadmap page to see if there are any updates. I don't know
when this happened, but "Seller Tools" has been removed. The only new features
being worked on are "Bricklink XP (Mobile)". So are the seller tools discontinued
or are they being wrapped up into Bricklink XP? Maybe I'm misremembering,
but I'm pretty sure "seller tools" was under the "new features" category
a few months ago.

It was a choice between seller tools and custom virtual decals for minifigure
torsos in stud.io. You can't have everything.

Obviously they made the right decision.

Obviously