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 Author: DrFille View Messages Posted By DrFille
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Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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When you place an order, just request that the seller does not use small bags
to separate parts and tell them that they can just put all the parts into one
big bag instead.
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My feelings too, I'm happy to use as little as possible if I can.

I pack all mine separately where weights and sizes permit due to the complaints
and negative feedback some get for not doing so, I use far too much but won't
risk getting negatives for mixing the parts.

Might consider asking buyers in future if they haven't already asked for
minimal packaging.

Many aren't happy having to sort the parts when they receive them knowing
that they wouldn't have been stored that way.




In General, yorbrick writes:
  When you place an order, just request that the seller does not use small bags
to separate parts and tell them that they can just put all the parts into one
big bag instead.
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That's something which may be added to seller's tools I guess.

Some choices buyer HAVE TO choose (default would, and should be, reasonnable
for both sides) which kind of packaging he/she want, from 'total mess'
to 'crazy over protective', including mixing new/used or not, separate
clear parts/printed/"painted"/chromed from other parts.
Even additional choices like sort by colour, by type, or both.

"painted" refer to some metallic parts which are not manufactured using a metallic
color like perl metallic parts, I have some gold or mat silver parts which
looks like to be painted and color can suffer a lot from scratches.

In General, Stuart9 writes:
  My feelings too, I'm happy to use as little as possible if I can.

I pack all mine separately where weights and sizes permit due to the complaints
and negative feedback some get for not doing so, I use far too much but won't
risk getting negatives for mixing the parts.

Might consider asking buyers in future if they haven't already asked for
minimal packaging.

Many aren't happy having to sort the parts when they receive them knowing
that they wouldn't have been stored that way.
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In General, JusTiCe8 writes:
  That's something which may be added to seller's tools I guess.

Some choices buyer HAVE TO choose (default would, and should be, reasonnable
for both sides) which kind of packaging he/she want, from 'total mess'
to 'crazy over protective', including mixing new/used or not, separate
clear parts/printed/"painted"/chromed from other parts.
Even additional choices like sort by colour, by type, or both.

I'd want those sorts of things to be opt in by sellers. For example, I don't
think I'd sort by colour for a buyer, especially on a small order. There
might be one 1x1 round plate in a single colour. If they happen to click the
sort by colour box then it implies that the single part should go into its own
bag, otherwise you are going against the buyers instructions.
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  In General, JusTiCe8 writes:
  That's something which may be added to seller's tools I guess.

Some choices buyer HAVE TO choose (default would, and should be, reasonnable
for both sides) which kind of packaging he/she want, from 'total mess'
to 'crazy over protective', including mixing new/used or not, separate
clear parts/printed/"painted"/chromed from other parts.
Even additional choices like sort by colour, by type, or both.

I'd want those sorts of things to be opt in by sellers. For example, I don't
think I'd sort by colour for a buyer, especially on a small order. There
might be one 1x1 round plate in a single colour. If they happen to click the
sort by colour box then it implies that the single part should go into its own
bag, otherwise you are going against the buyers instructions.

Agreed, a few minor options, like may pack combined, but options about how to
pack is not always going to work on sellers side, to pick and pack an order must
be in a process.

We do pack small lot averages combined, if an order has 5 single diffirent parts
we pack them in one bag, only used and new will be seperatly packed always.

There is the dark side from buyers easily leaving negative feedback when packed
combined.
 Author: DrFille View Messages Posted By DrFille
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In General, Stuart9 writes:
  My feelings too, I'm happy to use as little as possible if I can.

I pack all mine separately where weights and sizes permit due to the complaints
and negative feedback some get for not doing so, I use far too much but won't
risk getting negatives for mixing the parts.

Might consider asking buyers in future if they haven't already asked for
minimal packaging.

Many aren't happy having to sort the parts when they receive them knowing
that they wouldn't have been stored that way.




In General, yorbrick writes:
  When you place an order, just request that the seller does not use small bags
to separate parts and tell them that they can just put all the parts into one
big bag instead.

Thanks for you input and down-to-earth thoughts! Make sense.
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  When you place an order, just request that the seller does not use small bags
to separate parts and tell them that they can just put all the parts into one
big bag instead.

Thank you for you reply and suggestion. Yes, I will do that. A good simple idea
and simple solutions can be good solutions, perhaps even the best solution in
the situation at hand.

That said, in my experience, having ready-made options will make more people
think of something compared to use adding free text (such in a comment field).
I try to not judge people, but many of us are convenient and go the route having
the smallest effort for us. Also, a GUI feature may help people think of the
possibility. If more people than just I avoid some plastic that may not even
be needed in the first place in a given order, the better in the long run. Cheers.
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In General, DrFille writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  When you place an order, just request that the seller does not use small bags
to separate parts and tell them that they can just put all the parts into one
big bag instead.

Thank you for you reply and suggestion. Yes, I will do that. A good simple idea
and simple solutions can be good solutions, perhaps even the best solution in
the situation at hand.

That said, in my experience, having ready-made options will make more people
think of something compared to use adding free text (such in a comment field).
I try to not judge people, but many of us are convenient and go the route having
the smallest effort for us. Also, a GUI feature may help people think of the
possibility. If more people than just I avoid some plastic that may not even
be needed in the first place in a given order, the better in the long run. Cheers.

A real problem here is expectation of condition. If a buyer asks if I will put
all parts in one plastic bag I will oblige, but then whose problem is it if they
decide that, for example, a printed or transparent window part was scratched
on arrival. They asked for no extra packaging but those parts would have been
protected if they were in separate bags. Yet consumer law would be on their side
- if the item is damaged they are entitled to return it. Similar with minifigures.
I once received an (ebay) order of 20 or so minifigures (unbuilt) where the seller
had put all the parts into one bag - I didn't ask for this. It took me ages
to sort out which parts were for which figure.
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As a buyer, I've always asked sellers to use as few as possible ziplocks,
mainly for cutting down on shipping weight for international orders. Only one
seller ever passed a credit for the reduced shipping costs without being asked,
for every other seller it is a case of begging to actually pay only the correct
shipping costs. I've stopped requesting this, it is not worth the aggravation.
I've also requested this to reduce handling and materials fees, also stopped
doing so, again as a result of the fact that only seller ever has agreed to pass
a credit for the saving. Again, the aggravation is just not worth it. This is
not nitpicking - I've had an order where the separate ziplock idea added
well over 500 grams to the weight, to say nothing of the extra time wasted by
the seller or the extra overhead.

Generally, I pack per category for small lots. This helps to avoid a situation
where 100 lots of 1 item each gets a ziplock, unless the buyer asks for it to
be so and then I will normally decide if it is worth it to do. So far, touch
wood, never a problem.

The eco-route is unfortunately, much as I would like to use only recyclable bags
etc, way out of my price league. The ziplock bags I use the largest volume of
costs 9 times more once it is eco-friendly as opposed to the cheap and nasty
bags; the eco-friendly ones are also not as strong around the seal, so I cannot
use them for pre-sorted lots. I also live in a very small town and access is
not guaranteed. I would still consider it at triple price, but not 9 times the
price point - it is just not worth it. Recyclable boxes and envelopes or compostable
packaging, again as much as I would like to use it, simply is not in my price
range as the only ones I've able to find so far has been 6 times the price.
I doubt buyers would pay that much extra and I would not use it as a sales gimmick
to increase prices across the board, or make buyers wait longer while I try to
find a packing solution which will involve shipping those shipping materials
in from wherever.

I have a reasonable sized box of used ziplocks now hoarded, so those will be
used to make airpacks in place of bubblewrap or woodwool for filler when there
are international surface mail orders or domestic fixed fee orders, those weigh
too much to use efficiently for normal airmail. I re-use most boxes as overpacks
for baseplates etc.

And I agree, plastic waste is getting out of hand. I must really take a camera
with next time I go for a walk in the marine protected area close to me - a 10km
walk after a spring tide if I can get it back through the estuary, yields sufficient
rubbish to fill normal sized rubbish bin - remember, this is all washed up as
there are supposedly not humans living in the 30sq km range around that protected
zone.

In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!
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In General, bje writes:
  As a buyer, I've always asked sellers to use as few as possible ziplocks,
mainly for cutting down on shipping weight for international orders. Only one
seller ever passed a credit for the reduced shipping costs without being asked,
for every other seller it is a case of begging to actually pay only the correct
shipping costs. I've stopped requesting this, it is not worth the aggravation.
I've also requested this to reduce handling and materials fees, also stopped
doing so, again as a result of the fact that only seller ever has agreed to pass
a credit for the saving. Again, the aggravation is just not worth it. This is
not nitpicking - I've had an order where the separate ziplock idea added
well over 500 grams to the weight, to say nothing of the extra time wasted by
the seller or the extra overhead.

Generally, I pack per category for small lots. This helps to avoid a situation
where 100 lots of 1 item each gets a ziplock, unless the buyer asks for it to
be so and then I will normally decide if it is worth it to do. So far, touch
wood, never a problem.

The eco-route is unfortunately, much as I would like to use only recyclable bags
etc, way out of my price league. The ziplock bags I use the largest volume of
costs 9 times more once it is eco-friendly as opposed to the cheap and nasty
bags; the eco-friendly ones are also not as strong around the seal, so I cannot
use them for pre-sorted lots. I also live in a very small town and access is
not guaranteed. I would still consider it at triple price, but not 9 times the
price point - it is just not worth it. Recyclable boxes and envelopes or compostable
packaging, again as much as I would like to use it, simply is not in my price
range as the only ones I've able to find so far has been 6 times the price.
I doubt buyers would pay that much extra and I would not use it as a sales gimmick
to increase prices across the board, or make buyers wait longer while I try to
find a packing solution which will involve shipping those shipping materials
in from wherever.

I have a reasonable sized box of used ziplocks now hoarded, so those will be
used to make airpacks in place of bubblewrap or woodwool for filler when there
are international surface mail orders or domestic fixed fee orders, those weigh
too much to use efficiently for normal airmail. I re-use most boxes as overpacks
for baseplates etc.

And I agree, plastic waste is getting out of hand. I must really take a camera
with next time I go for a walk in the marine protected area close to me - a 10km
walk after a spring tide if I can get it back through the estuary, yields sufficient
rubbish to fill normal sized rubbish bin - remember, this is all washed up as
there are supposedly not humans living in the 30sq km range around that protected
zone.

In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!

Many thanks for your input and your thoughts.
Great discussion.
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In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!


I'll continue to pack to the high standard I've been packing for over
the last 40 years, albeit with Lego for only 17 years. I don't need or want
some eco warrior telling me how to pack to save a little plastic, maybe you should
aim a little higher and have a go at supermarkets and some countries. When Lego
leaves here, I know it's packed well and should survive the roughest of journeys,
what I don't want is customers saying their Lego turned up damaged due to
lack of packaging.

Just to make sure that I don't over pack your orders, I've stop listed
you, to prevent you getting a little extra plastic in your order.

SB
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In General, SimplyBricks writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!


I'll continue to pack to the high standard I've been packing for over
the last 40 years, albeit with Lego for only 17 years. I don't need or want
some eco warrior telling me how to pack to save a little plastic, maybe you should
aim a little higher and have a go at supermarkets and some countries. When Lego
leaves here, I know it's packed well and should survive the roughest of journeys,
what I don't want is customers saying their Lego turned up damaged due to
lack of packaging.

Just to make sure that I don't over pack your orders, I've stop listed
you, to prevent you getting a little extra plastic in your order.

SB

Ah, that's why you stop-listed me too (without ever buying from you and with
no response as to why), when I brought up this months ago. I hope that buyers
will see your response and un-favoutrite your store.

Mentioning plastic waste doesn't make someone an eco-warrior or tree hugger.
Just someone that cares about waste.
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In General, iprice writes:
  In General, SimplyBricks writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!


I'll continue to pack to the high standard I've been packing for over
the last 40 years, albeit with Lego for only 17 years. I don't need or want
some eco warrior telling me how to pack to save a little plastic, maybe you should
aim a little higher and have a go at supermarkets and some countries. When Lego
leaves here, I know it's packed well and should survive the roughest of journeys,
what I don't want is customers saying their Lego turned up damaged due to
lack of packaging.

Just to make sure that I don't over pack your orders, I've stop listed
you, to prevent you getting a little extra plastic in your order.

SB

Ah, that's why you stop-listed me too (without ever buying from you and with
no response as to why), when I brought up this months ago. I hope that buyers
will see your response and un-favoutrite your store.

Mentioning plastic waste doesn't make someone an eco-warrior or tree hugger.
Just someone that cares about waste.

Your absolutely right why you was stop listed. Another eco warrior who sits
there and knows how his/her order should be packed. The only person who knows
how to pack your order is the SELLER. Your another one who knows everything,
sigh.


SB
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In General, SimplyBricks writes:

  Your absolutely right why you was stop listed. Another eco warrior who sits
there and knows how his/her order should be packed. The only person who knows
how to pack your order is the SELLER. Your another one who knows everything,
sigh.

Another keyboard warrior who sits there and doesn't know how to use your/you're,
or how to conjugate verbs. Sigh.

I don't buy or sell much, but please stoplist me too so I don't accidentally
give you any business. Getting that upset over someone trying to leave the world
a better place is not healthy.

Thank you
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In General, SimplyBricks writes:
  In General, iprice writes:
  In General, SimplyBricks writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!


I'll continue to pack to the high standard I've been packing for over
the last 40 years, albeit with Lego for only 17 years. I don't need or want
some eco warrior telling me how to pack to save a little plastic, maybe you should
aim a little higher and have a go at supermarkets and some countries. When Lego
leaves here, I know it's packed well and should survive the roughest of journeys,
what I don't want is customers saying their Lego turned up damaged due to
lack of packaging.

Just to make sure that I don't over pack your orders, I've stop listed
you, to prevent you getting a little extra plastic in your order.

SB

Ah, that's why you stop-listed me too (without ever buying from you and with
no response as to why), when I brought up this months ago. I hope that buyers
will see your response and un-favoutrite your store.

Mentioning plastic waste doesn't make someone an eco-warrior or tree hugger.
Just someone that cares about waste.

Your absolutely right why you was stop listed. Another eco warrior who sits
there and knows how his/her order should be packed. The only person who knows
how to pack your order is the SELLER. Your another one who knows everything,
sigh.


SB

My goodness this reaction is way over the top. It's simply a buyer stating
an opinion.

Also, its feedback from a potential customer, which even if you disagree, is
valuable.
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In General, SimplyBricks writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!


I'll continue to pack to the high standard I've been packing for over
the last 40 years, albeit with Lego for only 17 years. I don't need or want
some eco warrior telling me how to pack to save a little plastic, maybe you should
aim a little higher and have a go at supermarkets and some countries. When Lego
leaves here, I know it's packed well and should survive the roughest of journeys,
what I don't want is customers saying their Lego turned up damaged due to
lack of packaging.

Just to make sure that I don't over pack your orders, I've stop listed
you, to prevent you getting a little extra plastic in your order.

SB

Shocked that you don't care at all, even when we don't have a solution.
So animals dying trapped in plastic and ecosystems being destroyed means nothing
to you. All that matters is some toys getting from A to B. That's a sad small
world.
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In General, SimplyBricks writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!


I'll continue to pack to the high standard I've been packing for over
the last 40 years, albeit with Lego for only 17 years. I don't need or want
some eco warrior telling me how to pack to save a little plastic, maybe you should
aim a little higher and have a go at supermarkets and some countries. When Lego
leaves here, I know it's packed well and should survive the roughest of journeys,
what I don't want is customers saying their Lego turned up damaged due to
lack of packaging.

Just to make sure that I don't over pack your orders, I've stop listed
you, to prevent you getting a little extra plastic in your order.

SB

"I don't need or want some eco warrior telling me how to pack to save a little
plastic"..?

"Eco warrior"? How random. Where I came from, standards on sustainability and
respect our heritage (clean and lovely nature being part of it) are more of a
daily routine and something many - if not most - mature and good citizens think
of. Being civil if you like, hardly being eco warriors! A bare minimum I think
and it is a very logical and reasonable thing after all as it pays back. I know
very well there are other problems in the world, also I guess there is a lot
bigger issues with waste and lack of sustainable thinking, but it seems illogical
to not consider doing a small thing just because there are also bigger things
that may be needed. No, I am not a eco warrior and is not considered close to
it by those knowing me. Doing small things may be a lot easier to do anyway and
be something within our own control, so why not try discussing it?

I have not told anyone how to pack. Bringing up a discussion or brainstorming
is not telling anyone how to do anything. That stands to reason. Hoping for some
kind of change is not telling you what exactly you should do.

I am thinking of perhaps adding options for the consumer and essentially also
for the seller, these options potentially being good for both seller and buyer.

"survive the roughest of journeys", I am afraid I am confused on what you are
thinking of. Are we talking about the same thing? I tried to focus on the situations
with excess in relationship with the order/delivery at hand, the requirements
obviously shifting.
The excess I am thinking of having no practical impact when it comes to actually
protect the content. Also, you actually did not even consider that if your buyer
made an active choise and ASKED for no exess, this could have some level of impact
to ther same buyers inclination to complain on packaging? Intersting, considering
your long experience. Being experienced, you probably know what is needed in
a given situation/given type of Lego items and what is pure excess.

Why so aggressive and quick on the trigger from the very start? Blocking me for
starting a discussion or risking having me buy Lego from you and asking you for
what you as a professional seller/distributor consider would be needed for protection
and not more than this? If you then would have judged that a certain protection
is needed for a certain delivery, so be it, not a problem. In my experience,
different Lego deliveries has very different needs as for protection and if the
customer ask for something that turn out to lower my costs in the long run it
just seems to be bad business to not do it.

Reality check: I have got deliveries with what I think is a truly excess packaging
on the Lego at hand. I suspect that I am not alone on this and some sellers are
perfectly fine with saving some and not add the excess.
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In General, DrFille writes:
  In General, SimplyBricks writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!


I'll continue to pack to the high standard I've been packing for over
the last 40 years, albeit with Lego for only 17 years. I don't need or want
some eco warrior telling me how to pack to save a little plastic, maybe you should
aim a little higher and have a go at supermarkets and some countries. When Lego
leaves here, I know it's packed well and should survive the roughest of journeys,
what I don't want is customers saying their Lego turned up damaged due to
lack of packaging.

Just to make sure that I don't over pack your orders, I've stop listed
you, to prevent you getting a little extra plastic in your order.

SB

"I don't need or want some eco warrior telling me how to pack to save a little
plastic"..?

"Eco warrior"? How random. Where I came from, standards on sustainability and
respect our heritage (clean and lovely nature being part of it) are more of a
daily routine and something many - if not most - mature and good citizens think
of. Being civil if you like, hardly being eco warriors! A bare minimum I think
and it is a very logical and reasonable thing after all as it pays back. I know
very well there are other problems in the world, also I guess there is a lot
bigger issues with waste and lack of sustainable thinking, but it seems illogical
to not consider doing a small thing just because there are also bigger things
that may be needed. No, I am not a eco warrior and is not considered close to
it by those knowing me. Doing small things may be a lot easier to do anyway and
be something within our own control, so why not try discussing it?

I have not told anyone how to pack. Bringing up a discussion or brainstorming
is not telling anyone how to do anything. That stands to reason. Hoping for some
kind of change is not telling you what exactly you should do.

I am thinking of perhaps adding options for the consumer and essentially also
for the seller, these options potentially being good for both seller and buyer.

"survive the roughest of journeys", I am afraid I am confused on what you are
thinking of. Are we talking about the same thing? I tried to focus on the situations
with excess in relationship with the order/delivery at hand, the requirements
obviously shifting.
The excess I am thinking of having no practical impact when it comes to actually
protect the content. Also, you actually did not even consider that if your buyer
made an active choise and ASKED for no exess, this could have some level of impact
to ther same buyers inclination to complain on packaging? Intersting, considering
your long experience. Being experienced, you probably know what is needed in
a given situation/given type of Lego items and what is pure excess.

Why so aggressive and quick on the trigger from the very start? Blocking me for
starting a discussion or risking having me buy Lego from you and asking you for
what you as a professional seller/distributor consider would be needed for protection
and not more than this? If you then would have judged that a certain protection
is needed for a certain delivery, so be it, not a problem. In my experience,
different Lego deliveries has very different needs as for protection and if the
customer ask for something that turn out to lower my costs in the long run it
just seems to be bad business to not do it.

Reality check: I have got deliveries with what I think is a truly excess packaging
on the Lego at hand. I suspect that I am not alone on this and some sellers are
perfectly fine with saving some and not add the excess.

No one can fault you.
It's not a personal attack.
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In General, SimplyBricks writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!


I'll continue to pack to the high standard I've been packing for over
the last 40 years, albeit with Lego for only 17 years. I don't need or want
some eco warrior telling me how to pack to save a little plastic, maybe you should
aim a little higher and have a go at supermarkets and some countries. When Lego
leaves here, I know it's packed well and should survive the roughest of journeys,
what I don't want is customers saying their Lego turned up damaged due to
lack of packaging.

Just to make sure that I don't over pack your orders, I've stop listed
you, to prevent you getting a little extra plastic in your order.

SB

If it helps, we can all admit that you are the best seller on BL, you do the
best packaging, and basically you are the number one. You can also stop-list
me and whoever else that replied to the OP. But unfortunately none of this help
to protect our nature/our Earth and this is the main problem we are facing to.
The consequences would include the life of all everybody. Humans have been very
selfish so far and followed their own needs while destroying the Earth slowly
and continuously.

We have seen the images of birds, fish,...dying for having their stomach full
of plastic pieces. This is only something we can see at the surface of the pollution
we have created to the nature, but we should all reconsider the way we consume
food, we energy,... .This is "not" a joke. Scientists say it is already late.


I am sure you can always pack as good as you are doing while you do not waste
plastic or you only use recyclable bags,... (if you are not doing it already.
I don't know that)
I personally read so many nice ideas from other sellers on this thread and would
improve the way I pack or stock Lego.

Bests,
Reza
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In General, SezaR writes:
  In General, SimplyBricks writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!


I'll continue to pack to the high standard I've been packing for over
the last 40 years, albeit with Lego for only 17 years. I don't need or want
some eco warrior telling me how to pack to save a little plastic, maybe you should
aim a little higher and have a go at supermarkets and some countries. When Lego
leaves here, I know it's packed well and should survive the roughest of journeys,
what I don't want is customers saying their Lego turned up damaged due to
lack of packaging.

Just to make sure that I don't over pack your orders, I've stop listed
you, to prevent you getting a little extra plastic in your order.

SB

If it helps, we can all admit that you are the best seller on BL, you do the
best packaging, and basically you are the number one. You can also stop-list
me and whoever else that replied to the OP. But unfortunately none of this help
to protect our nature/our Earth and this is the main problem we are facing to.
The consequences would include the life of all everybody. Humans have been very
selfish so far and followed their own needs while destroying the Earth slowly
and continuously.

We have seen the images of birds, fish,...dying for having their stomach full
of plastic pieces. This is only something we can see at the surface of the pollution
we have created to the nature, but we should all reconsider the way we consume
food, we energy,... .This is "not" a joke. Scientists say it is already late.


I am sure you can always pack as good as you are doing while you do not waste
plastic or you only use recyclable bags,... (if you are not doing it already.
I don't know that)
I personally read so many nice ideas from other sellers on this thread and would
improve the way I pack or stock Lego.

Bests,
Reza

We should all be aware of how many plastics we ingest.
We cannot be held responsible for any of that.

You cannot flaw the idealism!
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I'll continue to pack to the high standard I've been packing for over
the last 40 years, albeit with Lego for only 17 years. I don't need or want
some eco warrior telling me how to pack to save a little plastic, maybe you should
aim a little higher and have a go at supermarkets and some countries. When Lego
leaves here, I know it's packed well and should survive the roughest of journeys,
what I don't want is customers saying their Lego turned up damaged due to
lack of packaging.

Just to make sure that I don't over pack your orders, I've stop listed
you, to prevent you getting a little extra plastic in your order.

SB

WOW, a rather arrogant reply, dont you think? Now I to will probably be stop
listed - at least I hope so.
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It's a relevant point. I'm packing all of my parts using the original
bags the LEGO came in. I see no disadvantages to this. They are free, no need
to ever buy zip lock bags again.
It may be a little more tedious to open sets and to close the bags with tape
but you'd be surprised at how experience can make you just as fast in the
end.
Cut all bags through the middle and you have a double amount of nice small sized
bags so you can pack lots separately without ever wasting plastic.


In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!
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We pack all our orders in recycled LEGO bags too. Whenever we part out new sets,
we open the bags carefully so they can be reused. We try to use as few bags as
possible, but always separate new and used lego. I used to use recycled LEGO
boxes as well, but I stopped doing that for various reasons. Instead we recycle
boxes from our local dollar store. They have so many varieties of box sizes.
I've also learned to customize box sizes to fit sets perfectly to reduce
packing material. However any packing material we use is recycled from packages
we receive from retailers. I don't do all this simply to be green, but also
to save money on supplies. It's win-win.

In General, Teup writes:
  It's a relevant point. I'm packing all of my parts using the original
bags the LEGO came in. I see no disadvantages to this. They are free, no need
to ever buy zip lock bags again.
It may be a little more tedious to open sets and to close the bags with tape
but you'd be surprised at how experience can make you just as fast in the
end.
Cut all bags through the middle and you have a double amount of nice small sized
bags so you can pack lots separately without ever wasting plastic.


In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!
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  It's a relevant point. I'm packing all of my parts using the original
bags the LEGO came in. I see no disadvantages to this. They are free, no need
to ever buy zip lock bags again.
It may be a little more tedious to open sets and to close the bags with tape
but you'd be surprised at how experience can make you just as fast in the
end.
Cut all bags through the middle and you have a double amount of nice small sized
bags so you can pack lots separately without ever wasting plastic.

I do this in some cases for parts, but it still uses and wastes some new plastic
(the tape).
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In General, yorbrick writes:

  I do this in some cases for parts, but it still uses and wastes some new plastic
(the tape).

We have a standard kitchen bag sealer with a hot wire. It works great on the
LEGO plastic bags to reseal them without tape. You can also use it to "cut"
bigger bags in half with a sealed edge. It should NOT be used for teeny tiny
parts like claws, technic pins, etc, since it can leave a very small gap if the
bag isn't perfectly flat. Fine for items bigger than a brick round 1x1.


So no tape!

We also have clients who request their parts all go in one big bag, which we're
happy to accommodate. Less plastic, and less work for us!

Dawn
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In General, Pretty_Pieces writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:

  I do this in some cases for parts, but it still uses and wastes some new plastic
(the tape).

We have a standard kitchen bag sealer with a hot wire. It works great on the
LEGO plastic bags to reseal them without tape. You can also use it to "cut"
bigger bags in half with a sealed edge. It should NOT be used for teeny tiny
parts like claws, technic pins, etc, since it can leave a very small gap if the
bag isn't perfectly flat. Fine for items bigger than a brick round 1x1.


So no tape!

We also have clients who request their parts all go in one big bag, which we're
happy to accommodate. Less plastic, and less work for us!

Dawn
Pretty_Pieces

Good one!
You should claim carbon reduction points towards your tax offsets
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  We have a standard kitchen bag sealer with a hot wire. It works great on the
LEGO plastic bags to reseal them without tape. You can also use it to "cut"
bigger bags in half with a sealed edge. It should NOT be used for teeny tiny
parts like claws, technic pins, etc, since it can leave a very small gap if the
bag isn't perfectly flat. Fine for items bigger than a brick round 1x1.

Does it run on solar energy?

I've received a few orders sealed like that. They look really good but can
be a pain to open as each section needs to be cut with scissors, which can be
hard if they didn't leave much space.
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  We have a standard kitchen bag sealer with a hot wire. It works great on the
LEGO plastic bags to reseal them without tape. You can also use it to "cut"
bigger bags in half with a sealed edge. It should NOT be used for teeny tiny
parts like claws, technic pins, etc, since it can leave a very small gap if the
bag isn't perfectly flat. Fine for items bigger than a brick round 1x1.

Does it run on solar energy?

I've received a few orders sealed like that. They look really good but can
be a pain to open as each section needs to be cut with scissors, which can be
hard if they didn't leave much space.

Invest in a scalpel/hobby knife. Very good!
They are fully manual!
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  We have a standard kitchen bag sealer with a hot wire. It works great on the
LEGO plastic bags to reseal them without tape. You can also use it to "cut"
bigger bags in half with a sealed edge. It should NOT be used for teeny tiny
parts like claws, technic pins, etc, since it can leave a very small gap if the
bag isn't perfectly flat. Fine for items bigger than a brick round 1x1.

Does it run on solar energy?

I've received a few orders sealed like that. They look really good but can
be a pain to open as each section needs to be cut with scissors, which can be
hard if they didn't leave much space.

I cut the edges with special scissors that make a serrated edge.
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In General, Teup writes:
  It's a relevant point. I'm packing all of my parts using the original
bags the LEGO came in. I see no disadvantages to this. They are free, no need
to ever buy zip lock bags again.
It may be a little more tedious to open sets and to close the bags with tape
but you'd be surprised at how experience can make you just as fast in the
end.
Cut all bags through the middle and you have a double amount of nice small sized
bags so you can pack lots separately without ever wasting plastic.


In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!

Many thanks for your input and thoughts. Well put.
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In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.




  The plastic doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick.

I don't recall the issue of "all the wasted plastic laying around" in Stockholm.
And I know the city very well, I enjoyed walking it's streets, alleyways,
and shorelines over the many years I lived and worked there. I guess the Stockholm
I knew has changed it's city cleanup practices That is to say: it was,
but no longer is (according to you) a clean city?

If true, sad

  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea. In as much
as your store you could virtue signal to other likeminded members, picking
up their business. Many large companies including multinationals, have similar
marketing ploys.

Presently, it's a world where virtue signaling takes precedence over pragmatism.
Virtue signaling over pragmatic problem solving....There's lot's to say
about that part of our nature, but...

...I'll stop here, and not go into why concerns/problems/issues (real or
manufactured) are not dealt with clear-eyed. I'd be here typing all morning,
and I just don't want to spend this morning doing that.
  
- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

Sorry, but you'd stop buying Lego, if it were a true concern of yours.

Nope. I'm with Mike (SimplyBricks) on this one; let sellers package as they'd
like.

Lycka till
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In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.




  The plastic doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick.

I don't recall the issue of "all the wasted plastic laying around" in Stockholm.
And I know the city very well, I enjoyed walking it's streets, alleyways,
and shorelines over the many years I lived and worked there. I guess the Stockholm
I knew has changed it's city cleanup practices That is to say: it was,
but no longer is (according to you) a clean city?

If true, sad

  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea. In as much
as your store you could virtue signal to other likeminded members, picking
up their business. Many large companies including multinationals, have similar
marketing ploys.

Presently, it's a world where virtue signaling takes precedence over pragmatism.
Virtue signaling over pragmatic problem solving....There's lot's to say
about that part of our nature, but...

...I'll stop here, and not go into why concerns/problems/issues (real or
manufactured) are not dealt with clear-eyed. I'd be here typing all morning,
and I just don't want to spend this morning doing that.
  
- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

Sorry, but you'd stop buying Lego, if it were a true concern of yours.

Nope. I'm with Mike (SimplyBricks) on this one; let sellers package as they'd
like.

Lycka till

I wish Tasmania was as 'clean' as it should/could be.
Our resident humans seem fit to just dispose of their waste in any manner they
choose.
Our industry is irresponsible in their responsibilities, and our laws/politicians
are far too lazy to actually do their jobs to fix any actual problems.
Never mind that Ice-shelf that is going to melt and raise sea levels by over
500mm.
Gee-wizz!
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In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.




  The plastic doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick.

I don't recall the issue of "all the wasted plastic laying around" in Stockholm.
And I know the city very well, I enjoyed walking it's streets, alleyways,
and shorelines over the many years I lived and worked there. I guess the Stockholm
I knew has changed it's city cleanup practices That is to say: it was,
but no longer is (according to you) a clean city?

If true, sad

  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea. In as much
as your store you could virtue signal to other likeminded members, picking
up their business. Many large companies including multinationals, have similar
marketing ploys.

Presently, it's a world where virtue signaling takes precedence over pragmatism.
Virtue signaling over pragmatic problem solving....There's lot's to say
about that part of our nature, but...

...I'll stop here, and not go into why concerns/problems/issues (real or
manufactured) are not dealt with clear-eyed. I'd be here typing all morning,
and I just don't want to spend this morning doing that.
  
- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

Sorry, but you'd stop buying Lego, if it were a true concern of yours.

Nope. I'm with Mike (SimplyBricks) on this one; let sellers package as they'd
like.

Lycka till

I wish Tasmania was as 'clean' as it should/could be.
Our resident humans seem fit to just dispose of their waste in any manner they
choose.
Our industry is irresponsible in their responsibilities, and our laws/politicians
are far too lazy to actually do their jobs to fix any actual problems.
Never mind that Ice-shelf that is going to melt and raise sea levels by over
500mm.
Gee-wizz!



BTW, you haven't got an extra room, have ya That island you're luck
enough to call home, is on my bucket list.
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In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.




  The plastic doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick.

I don't recall the issue of "all the wasted plastic laying around" in Stockholm.
And I know the city very well, I enjoyed walking it's streets, alleyways,
and shorelines over the many years I lived and worked there. I guess the Stockholm
I knew has changed it's city cleanup practices That is to say: it was,
but no longer is (according to you) a clean city?

If true, sad

  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea. In as much
as your store you could virtue signal to other likeminded members, picking
up their business. Many large companies including multinationals, have similar
marketing ploys.

Presently, it's a world where virtue signaling takes precedence over pragmatism.
Virtue signaling over pragmatic problem solving....There's lot's to say
about that part of our nature, but...

...I'll stop here, and not go into why concerns/problems/issues (real or
manufactured) are not dealt with clear-eyed. I'd be here typing all morning,
and I just don't want to spend this morning doing that.
  
- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

Sorry, but you'd stop buying Lego, if it were a true concern of yours.

Nope. I'm with Mike (SimplyBricks) on this one; let sellers package as they'd
like.

Lycka till

I wish Tasmania was as 'clean' as it should/could be.
Our resident humans seem fit to just dispose of their waste in any manner they
choose.
Our industry is irresponsible in their responsibilities, and our laws/politicians
are far too lazy to actually do their jobs to fix any actual problems.
Never mind that Ice-shelf that is going to melt and raise sea levels by over
500mm.
Gee-wizz!



BTW, you haven't got an extra room, have ya That island you're luck
enough to call home, is on my bucket list.

Don't disregard your home terrains desirability.
We're all in the same boat.
I'll swap ya!
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In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.




  The plastic doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick.

I don't recall the issue of "all the wasted plastic laying around" in Stockholm.
And I know the city very well, I enjoyed walking it's streets, alleyways,
and shorelines over the many years I lived and worked there. I guess the Stockholm
I knew has changed it's city cleanup practices That is to say: it was,
but no longer is (according to you) a clean city?

If true, sad

  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea. In as much
as your store you could virtue signal to other likeminded members, picking
up their business. Many large companies including multinationals, have similar
marketing ploys.

Presently, it's a world where virtue signaling takes precedence over pragmatism.
Virtue signaling over pragmatic problem solving....There's lot's to say
about that part of our nature, but...

...I'll stop here, and not go into why concerns/problems/issues (real or
manufactured) are not dealt with clear-eyed. I'd be here typing all morning,
and I just don't want to spend this morning doing that.
  
- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

Sorry, but you'd stop buying Lego, if it were a true concern of yours.

Nope. I'm with Mike (SimplyBricks) on this one; let sellers package as they'd
like.

Lycka till

I wish Tasmania was as 'clean' as it should/could be.
Our resident humans seem fit to just dispose of their waste in any manner they
choose.
Our industry is irresponsible in their responsibilities, and our laws/politicians
are far too lazy to actually do their jobs to fix any actual problems.
Never mind that Ice-shelf that is going to melt and raise sea levels by over
500mm.
Gee-wizz!



BTW, you haven't got an extra room, have ya That island you're luck
enough to call home, is on my bucket list.

Don't disregard your home terrains desirability.
We're all in the same boat.
I'll swap ya!

Looking back, I’ve enjoyed all the different places that I've called home
in my life, including where I live now, Seattle. I guess I’ve been lucky to have
had that outlook. I don’t think I’d be interested in living on Tasmania (as awesome
as it might be) over where I’m at now, but as a bucket list thing to do, i.e.
visit…so how about that extra room?
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In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.




  The plastic doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick.

I don't recall the issue of "all the wasted plastic laying around" in Stockholm.
And I know the city very well, I enjoyed walking it's streets, alleyways,
and shorelines over the many years I lived and worked there. I guess the Stockholm
I knew has changed it's city cleanup practices That is to say: it was,
but no longer is (according to you) a clean city?

If true, sad

  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea. In as much
as your store you could virtue signal to other likeminded members, picking
up their business. Many large companies including multinationals, have similar
marketing ploys.

Presently, it's a world where virtue signaling takes precedence over pragmatism.
Virtue signaling over pragmatic problem solving....There's lot's to say
about that part of our nature, but...

...I'll stop here, and not go into why concerns/problems/issues (real or
manufactured) are not dealt with clear-eyed. I'd be here typing all morning,
and I just don't want to spend this morning doing that.
  
- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

Sorry, but you'd stop buying Lego, if it were a true concern of yours.

Nope. I'm with Mike (SimplyBricks) on this one; let sellers package as they'd
like.

Lycka till

I wish Tasmania was as 'clean' as it should/could be.
Our resident humans seem fit to just dispose of their waste in any manner they
choose.
Our industry is irresponsible in their responsibilities, and our laws/politicians
are far too lazy to actually do their jobs to fix any actual problems.
Never mind that Ice-shelf that is going to melt and raise sea levels by over
500mm.
Gee-wizz!



BTW, you haven't got an extra room, have ya That island you're luck
enough to call home, is on my bucket list.

Don't disregard your home terrains desirability.
We're all in the same boat.
I'll swap ya!

Looking back, I’ve enjoyed all the different places that I've called home
in my life, including where I live now, Seattle. I guess I’ve been lucky to have
had that outlook. I don’t think I’d be interested in living on Tasmania (as awesome i
as it might be) over where I’m at now, but as a bucket list thing to do, i.e.
visit…so how about that extra room?

You're welcomed here anytime you choose, just so you know. I'll give
you the best tour I possibly can. Give me a decent amount of notice!
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In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.




  The plastic doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick.

I don't recall the issue of "all the wasted plastic laying around" in Stockholm.
And I know the city very well, I enjoyed walking it's streets, alleyways,
and shorelines over the many years I lived and worked there. I guess the Stockholm
I knew has changed it's city cleanup practices That is to say: it was,
but no longer is (according to you) a clean city?

If true, sad

  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea. In as much
as your store you could virtue signal to other likeminded members, picking
up their business. Many large companies including multinationals, have similar
marketing ploys.

Presently, it's a world where virtue signaling takes precedence over pragmatism.
Virtue signaling over pragmatic problem solving....There's lot's to say
about that part of our nature, but...

...I'll stop here, and not go into why concerns/problems/issues (real or
manufactured) are not dealt with clear-eyed. I'd be here typing all morning,
and I just don't want to spend this morning doing that.
  
- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

Sorry, but you'd stop buying Lego, if it were a true concern of yours.

Nope. I'm with Mike (SimplyBricks) on this one; let sellers package as they'd
like.

Lycka till

I wish Tasmania was as 'clean' as it should/could be.
Our resident humans seem fit to just dispose of their waste in any manner they
choose.
Our industry is irresponsible in their responsibilities, and our laws/politicians
are far too lazy to actually do their jobs to fix any actual problems.
Never mind that Ice-shelf that is going to melt and raise sea levels by over
500mm.
Gee-wizz!



BTW, you haven't got an extra room, have ya That island you're luck
enough to call home, is on my bucket list.

Don't disregard your home terrains desirability.
We're all in the same boat.
I'll swap ya!

Looking back, I’ve enjoyed all the different places that I've called home
in my life, including where I live now, Seattle. I guess I’ve been lucky to have
had that outlook. I don’t think I’d be interested in living on Tasmania (as awesome i
as it might be) over where I’m at now, but as a bucket list thing to do, i.e.
visit…so how about that extra room?

You're welcomed here anytime you choose, just so you know. I'll give
you the best tour I possibly can. Give me a decent amount of notice!

You got it, my friend! Same sentiment back at ya, if you get to the Pacific Northwest
of the US.

-Cory
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In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.




  The plastic doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick.

I don't recall the issue of "all the wasted plastic laying around" in Stockholm.
And I know the city very well, I enjoyed walking it's streets, alleyways,
and shorelines over the many years I lived and worked there. I guess the Stockholm
I knew has changed it's city cleanup practices That is to say: it was,
but no longer is (according to you) a clean city?

If true, sad

  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea. In as much
as your store you could virtue signal to other likeminded members, picking
up their business. Many large companies including multinationals, have similar
marketing ploys.

Presently, it's a world where virtue signaling takes precedence over pragmatism.
Virtue signaling over pragmatic problem solving....There's lot's to say
about that part of our nature, but...

...I'll stop here, and not go into why concerns/problems/issues (real or
manufactured) are not dealt with clear-eyed. I'd be here typing all morning,
and I just don't want to spend this morning doing that.
  
- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

Sorry, but you'd stop buying Lego, if it were a true concern of yours.

Nope. I'm with Mike (SimplyBricks) on this one; let sellers package as they'd
like.

Lycka till

I wish Tasmania was as 'clean' as it should/could be.
Our resident humans seem fit to just dispose of their waste in any manner they
choose.
Our industry is irresponsible in their responsibilities, and our laws/politicians
are far too lazy to actually do their jobs to fix any actual problems.
Never mind that Ice-shelf that is going to melt and raise sea levels by over
500mm.
Gee-wizz!



BTW, you haven't got an extra room, have ya That island you're luck
enough to call home, is on my bucket list.

Don't disregard your home terrains desirability.
We're all in the same boat.
I'll swap ya!

Looking back, I’ve enjoyed all the different places that I've called home
in my life, including where I live now, Seattle. I guess I’ve been lucky to have
had that outlook. I don’t think I’d be interested in living on Tasmania (as awesome i
as it might be) over where I’m at now, but as a bucket list thing to do, i.e.
visit…so how about that extra room?

You're welcomed here anytime you choose, just so you know. I'll give
you the best tour I possibly can. Give me a decent amount of notice!

You got it, my friend! Same sentiment back at ya, if you get to the Pacific Northwest
of the US.

-Cory

Don't mouth off
Checks your pockets as you leave
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  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.




  The plastic doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick.

I don't recall the issue of "all the wasted plastic laying around" in Stockholm.
And I know the city very well, I enjoyed walking it's streets, alleyways,
and shorelines over the many years I lived and worked there. I guess the Stockholm
I knew has changed it's city cleanup practices That is to say: it was,
but no longer is (according to you) a clean city?

If true, sad

  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea. In as much
as your store you could virtue signal to other likeminded members, picking
up their business. Many large companies including multinationals, have similar
marketing ploys.

Presently, it's a world where virtue signaling takes precedence over pragmatism.
Virtue signaling over pragmatic problem solving....There's lot's to say
about that part of our nature, but...

...I'll stop here, and not go into why concerns/problems/issues (real or
manufactured) are not dealt with clear-eyed. I'd be here typing all morning,
and I just don't want to spend this morning doing that.
  
- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

Sorry, but you'd stop buying Lego, if it were a true concern of yours.

Nope. I'm with Mike (SimplyBricks) on this one; let sellers package as they'd
like.

Lycka till

I wish Tasmania was as 'clean' as it should/could be.
Our resident humans seem fit to just dispose of their waste in any manner they
choose.
Our industry is irresponsible in their responsibilities, and our laws/politicians
are far too lazy to actually do their jobs to fix any actual problems.
Never mind that Ice-shelf that is going to melt and raise sea levels by over
500mm.
Gee-wizz!



BTW, you haven't got an extra room, have ya That island you're luck
enough to call home, is on my bucket list.

Don't disregard your home terrains desirability.
We're all in the same boat.
I'll swap ya!

Looking back, I’ve enjoyed all the different places that I've called home
in my life, including where I live now, Seattle. I guess I’ve been lucky to have
had that outlook. I don’t think I’d be interested in living on Tasmania (as awesome i
as it might be) over where I’m at now, but as a bucket list thing to do, i.e.
visit…so how about that extra room?

You're welcomed here anytime you choose, just so you know. I'll give
you the best tour I possibly can. Give me a decent amount of notice!

You got it, my friend! Same sentiment back at ya, if you get to the Pacific Northwest
of the US.

-Cory

Don't mouth off
Checks your pockets as you leave

You're allowed 8% plastic, or I'm calling the cops!
I'm nothing but generous.
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  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.




  The plastic doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick.

I don't recall the issue of "all the wasted plastic laying around" in Stockholm.
And I know the city very well, I enjoyed walking it's streets, alleyways,
and shorelines over the many years I lived and worked there. I guess the Stockholm
I knew has changed it's city cleanup practices That is to say: it was,
but no longer is (according to you) a clean city?

If true, sad

  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea. In as much
as your store you could virtue signal to other likeminded members, picking
up their business. Many large companies including multinationals, have similar
marketing ploys.

Presently, it's a world where virtue signaling takes precedence over pragmatism.
Virtue signaling over pragmatic problem solving....There's lot's to say
about that part of our nature, but...

...I'll stop here, and not go into why concerns/problems/issues (real or
manufactured) are not dealt with clear-eyed. I'd be here typing all morning,
and I just don't want to spend this morning doing that.
  
- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

Sorry, but you'd stop buying Lego, if it were a true concern of yours.

Nope. I'm with Mike (SimplyBricks) on this one; let sellers package as they'd
like.

Lycka till

I wish Tasmania was as 'clean' as it should/could be.
Our resident humans seem fit to just dispose of their waste in any manner they
choose.
Our industry is irresponsible in their responsibilities, and our laws/politicians
are far too lazy to actually do their jobs to fix any actual problems.
Never mind that Ice-shelf that is going to melt and raise sea levels by over
500mm.
Gee-wizz!



BTW, you haven't got an extra room, have ya That island you're luck
enough to call home, is on my bucket list.

Don't disregard your home terrains desirability.
We're all in the same boat.
I'll swap ya!

Looking back, I’ve enjoyed all the different places that I've called home
in my life, including where I live now, Seattle. I guess I’ve been lucky to have
had that outlook. I don’t think I’d be interested in living on Tasmania (as awesome i
as it might be) over where I’m at now, but as a bucket list thing to do, i.e.
visit…so how about that extra room?

You're welcomed here anytime you choose, just so you know. I'll give
you the best tour I possibly can. Give me a decent amount of notice!

You got it, my friend! Same sentiment back at ya, if you get to the Pacific Northwest
of the US.

-Cory

Don't mouth off
Checks your pockets as you leave

You're allowed 8% plastic, or I'm calling the cops!
I'm nothing but generous.

I do not want to diminish the original post!
We all need to do our best!
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  Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea.

These topics always get so extreme and I don't really get why. Nobody was
talking about saving the planet. It's very practical: Every piece of plastic
that you don't use, is a piece of plastic that does not end up in the environment.
Would it make sense to just dump empty our bottles in the park just because "not
doing it would not save the planet?".

You wouldn't tell a baker to stop baking bread just because doing it is not
going to solve starvation in Africa, right?

Not polluting is simply a good thing to do. Nothing more, nothing less. If you
can spare using a piece of plastic - whether that's you or me doing it -
then that is simply a good thing to do. There's really no need to go full
nihilistic about it, a throwing up of arms saying we're all doomed and nothing
we change can possibly save us anymore. Even if that's true, I'd rather
practise some good habits and good manners while we're still here

This is not to say I'm any better. I used single use plastic as well today.

The EU is banning several single use plastic items in 2021. That's a great
move. If we'd always be wondering about whether decisions would save the
planet, we would still be using asbestos and mercury in products today. Every
step helps.

So let's not get all negative and cynical and let's be positive and look
at what we can do. What we can't do, we can't. That's ok. But everything
we can do smarter than we did before is a bit of gain.
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:

  
  Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea.

These topics always get so extreme and I don't really get why. Nobody was
talking about saving the planet. It's very practical: Every piece of plastic
that you don't use, is a piece of plastic that does not end up in the environment.
Would it make sense to just dump empty our bottles in the park just because "not
doing it would not save the planet?".

You wouldn't tell a baker to stop baking bread just because doing it is not
going to solve starvation in Africa, right?

Not polluting is simply a good thing to do. Nothing more, nothing less. If you
can spare using a piece of plastic - whether that's you or me doing it -
then that is simply a good thing to do. There's really no need to go full
nihilistic about it, a throwing up of arms saying we're all doomed and nothing
we change can possibly save us anymore. Even if that's true, I'd rather
practise some good habits and good manners while we're still here

This is not to say I'm any better. I used single use plastic as well today.

The EU is banning several single use plastic items in 2021. That's a great move.

Yeah...quoting "wisdom" of the EU, to me anyway, doesn't help your argument.


  If we'd always be wondering about whether decisions would save the
planet, we would still be using asbestos and mercury in products today.

"asbestos and mercury" were both addressed for being severely damaging to the
health of individuals, not the planet.

  
So let's not get all negative and cynical and let's be positive and look
at what we can do. What we can't do, we can't.

Let me get this straight. If I don't buy into this whole plastic is a problem
scenario, and I question the doctrine. Because I think that those who would ask
others to make adjust in their lives to appease what I see as a delusion, is
wrong, and that I call them on it, that's being cynical and negative?

And so conversely, if I just play along and delude myself, then I can be considered
a good person and not negative or cynical?

Well, I'm too old for the typical shaming technic commonly use. Try another
approach
  
That's ok. But everything we can do smarter than we did before is a bit of gain.
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  Let me get this straight. If I don't buy into this whole plastic is a problem
scenario, and I question the doctrine. Because I think that those who would ask
others to make adjust in their lives to appease what I see as a delusion, is
wrong, and that I call them on it, that's being cynical and negative?

And so conversely, if I just play along and delude myself, then I can be considered
a good person and not negative or cynical?

Well, I'm too old for the typical shaming technic commonly use. Try another
approach
  
That's ok. But everything we can do smarter than we did before is a bit of gain.

Plastic is here to stay, reuse what you can, recycle what you can't. Ain't
nothing wrong with cleaner cities.

I feel like we're all constantly appeasing the delusions everyone believes
to stay happy. If you want to draw the line here, who could blame you?

The "woke" movement isn't the problem scenario, it just looks at one problem
at a time. They aren't looking at patterns. So, to sum up the big picture,
when the farming gets good, people have time for scientific progress. Then the
population skyrockets.

Farming today is incredibly efficient, to the point it can sustain all life on
Earth. We're the dominant lifeform; meat's a treat. The eco-friendly
types already realize this. If you ever spend time volunteering, you'll be
eating a lot of veggie pizza.

Global warming is already set in motion. The oceans will swell and vast tracts
of land will be covered in snow. This is a fact and part of planet Earth's
natural cycle. If you happen to be living at the time, and can't buy a ticket
to Mars, you'll be shivering below with the rest of us in our over-sized
jackets. It won't be so bad.
 
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In General, cycbuild writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  Let me get this straight. If I don't buy into this whole plastic is a problem
scenario, and I question the doctrine. Because I think that those who would ask
others to make adjust in their lives to appease what I see as a delusion, is
wrong, and that I call them on it, that's being cynical and negative?

And so conversely, if I just play along and delude myself, then I can be considered
a good person and not negative or cynical?

Well, I'm too old for the typical shaming technic commonly use. Try another
approach
  
That's ok. But everything we can do smarter than we did before is a bit of gain.

Plastic is here to stay, reuse what you can, recycle what you can't. Ain't
nothing wrong with cleaner cities.

+1

  
I feel like we're all constantly appeasing the delusions everyone believes
to stay happy. If you want to draw the line here, who could blame you?

+1 +1 = +2

  
The "woke" movement isn't the problem scenario, it just looks at one problem
at a time. They aren't looking at patterns. So, to sum up the big picture,
when the farming gets good, people have time for scientific progress. Then the
population skyrockets.

Interesting...

  
Farming today is incredibly efficient, to the point it can sustain all life on
Earth. We're the dominant lifeform; meat's a treat. The eco-friendly
types already realize this. If you ever spend time volunteering, you'll be
eating a lot of veggie pizza.

Global warming is already set in motion. The oceans will swell and vast tracts
of land will be covered in snow. This is a fact and part of planet Earth's
natural cycle. If you happen to be living at the time, and can't buy a ticket
to Mars, you'll be shivering below with the rest of us in our over-sized
jackets. It won't be so bad.
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In General, popsicle writes:
  
  
So let's not get all negative and cynical and let's be positive and look
at what we can do. What we can't do, we can't.

Let me get this straight. If I don't buy into this whole plastic is a problem
scenario, and I question the doctrine. Because I think that those who would ask
others to make adjust in their lives to appease what I see as a delusion, is
wrong, and that I call them on it, that's being cynical and negative?

OK, in that case it is not cynical and negative. You're the first person
I've met who's had this point of view so I didn't see that coming.
I respect all opinions. But this is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of
fact. Opinions can range from "we have to do something about plastic" to "let
humanity kill itself, I don't care" and I will respect each one of them.
But people are not entitled to their own facts. Things like plastic pollution
and the earth being spherical rather than flat are not up for debate (there's
also a theory going around Belgium does not exist... ). Otherwise we might
as well start to question if people are really people or actually spies from
Mars. If we start to question firmly established facts then we should be consistent
and question all firmly established facts. Maybe everything is a dream
And then there's really no basis of knowledge or any point in any conversation
anymore.

So yeah. If you say there's no global plastic problem, people in Africa are
not living on top of gigantic mountains of our plastic, fish do not contain microplastics,
animals are not going extinct because of plastic, and there is no plastic island
in the ocean three times the size of France.. then we don't have different
opinions, just a fact issue.
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  
  
So let's not get all negative and cynical and let's be positive and look
at what we can do. What we can't do, we can't.

Let me get this straight. If I don't buy into this whole plastic is a problem
scenario, and I question the doctrine. Because I think that those who would ask
others to make adjust in their lives to appease what I see as a delusion, is
wrong, and that I call them on it, that's being cynical and negative?

OK, in that case it is not cynical and negative. You're the first person
I've met who's had this point of view so I didn't see that coming.
I respect all opinions. But this is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of
fact. Opinions can range from "we have to do something about plastic" to "let
humanity kill itself, I don't care" and I will respect each one of them.
But people are not entitled to their own facts. Things like plastic pollution
and the earth being spherical rather than flat are not up for debate (there's
also a theory going around Belgium does not exist... ). Otherwise we might
as well start to question if people are really people or actually spies from
Mars. If we start to question firmly established facts then we should be consistent
and question all firmly established facts. Maybe everything is a dream
And then there's really no basis of knowledge or any point in any conversation
anymore.

So yeah. If you say there's no global plastic problem, people in Africa are
not living on top of gigantic mountains of our plastic, fish do not contain microplastics,
animals are not going extinct because of plastic, and there is no plastic island
in the ocean three times the size of France..

Conversion for people who don’t use the metric system: That’s three times the
size of Texas.


   then we don't have different
opinions, just a fact issue.
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In General, SylvainLS writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  
  
So let's not get all negative and cynical and let's be positive and look
at what we can do. What we can't do, we can't.

Let me get this straight. If I don't buy into this whole plastic is a problem
scenario, and I question the doctrine. Because I think that those who would ask
others to make adjust in their lives to appease what I see as a delusion, is
wrong, and that I call them on it, that's being cynical and negative?

OK, in that case it is not cynical and negative. You're the first person
I've met who's had this point of view so I didn't see that coming.
I respect all opinions. But this is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of
fact. Opinions can range from "we have to do something about plastic" to "let
humanity kill itself, I don't care" and I will respect each one of them.
But people are not entitled to their own facts. Things like plastic pollution
and the earth being spherical rather than flat are not up for debate (there's
also a theory going around Belgium does not exist... ). Otherwise we might
as well start to question if people are really people or actually spies from
Mars. If we start to question firmly established facts then we should be consistent
and question all firmly established facts. Maybe everything is a dream
And then there's really no basis of knowledge or any point in any conversation
anymore.

So yeah. If you say there's no global plastic problem, people in Africa are
not living on top of gigantic mountains of our plastic, fish do not contain microplastics,
animals are not going extinct because of plastic, and there is no plastic island
in the ocean three times the size of France..

Conversion for people who don’t use the metric system: That’s three times the
size of Texas.



Ohh France itself is part of the metric system So there's a golden France
in Paris?
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In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:


  
So let's not get all negative and cynical and let's be positive and look
at what we can do. What we can't do, we can't.

Let me get this straight. If I don't buy into this whole plastic is a problem
scenario, and I question the doctrine. Because I think that those who would ask
others to make adjust in their lives to appease what I see as a delusion, is
wrong, and that I call them on it, that's being cynical and negative?

And so conversely, if I just play along and delude myself, then I can be considered
a good person and not negative or cynical?

Well, I'm too old for the typical shaming technic commonly use. Try another
approach
  
That's ok. But everything we can do smarter than we did before is a bit of gain.

There is nothing wrong with not giving a flying stuff about stuff. There is something
wrong, however, if your decisions and lifestyle choices impacts on other beings
without their consent. If you have children or grandchildren born after 1990,
they are infested with the chemicals used to make teflon. This happened so you
do not have to exercise your arms scrubbing a pot. Every water source is polluted
by those chemicals. It cannot be escaped. Those children did not give their consent,
it is merely assumed that they will be ok with it. This will over-stimulate
their immune systems. Consult with an immunologist if you do not know what happens
to over-stimulated immune systems.

I'm sorry to tell you this straight out, but plastic is a problem, just as
secondhand smoke is. You will be ecstatically happy if some smoker walks in the
street and just blows secondhand smoke directly in your face, correct? After
all, there is no problem with smoking, the chemicals from it cannot infect you
or your children, there is no reason on earth for smokers to adjust their lifestyles
so as to not impact on yours correct? The same goes for being bitten by another
person's dog - it might be wonderful to let a dog the size of a calf run
around free, licking strangers etc, but not everybody consents to that. Should
dog owners not make some changes to accommodate this?

Please take this thought with you - Namibia does not have a single plastic factory.
Not one. Walk on the banks of the Kunene river in the far north of that country,
and you will find mountains of stinking plastic waste all over - brought in from
other countries. I live in an area myself surrounded by 14 nature reserves. Walk
in any one of those areas and you will find the choking evidence of humanity's
I do not care to adjust my lifestyle for the benefit of other beings' attitude.
It does not make anybody an eco-warrior to just think a little bit more about
others, including their own children, and less about him/herself. My apologies
really if my wish to care for all life and to love all life is deluded. It is
exactly that delusion that makes me clean up after the likes of you, like a mother
having to change a baby's nappy.
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In General, bje writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:


  
So let's not get all negative and cynical and let's be positive and look
at what we can do. What we can't do, we can't.

Let me get this straight. If I don't buy into this whole plastic is a problem
scenario, and I question the doctrine. Because I think that those who would ask
others to make adjust in their lives to appease what I see as a delusion, is
wrong, and that I call them on it, that's being cynical and negative?

And so conversely, if I just play along and delude myself, then I can be considered
a good person and not negative or cynical?

Well, I'm too old for the typical shaming technic commonly use. Try another
approach
  
That's ok. But everything we can do smarter than we did before is a bit of gain.

There is nothing wrong with not giving a flying stuff about stuff. There is something
wrong, however, if your decisions and lifestyle choices impacts on other beings
without their consent. If you have children or grandchildren born after 1990,
they are infested with the chemicals used to make teflon. This happened so you
do not have to exercise your arms scrubbing a pot. Every water source is polluted
by those chemicals. It cannot be escaped. Those children did not give their consent,
it is merely assumed that they will be ok with it. This will over-stimulate
their immune systems. Consult with an immunologist if you do not know what happens
to over-stimulated immune systems.

I'm sorry to tell you this straight out, but plastic is a problem, just as
secondhand smoke is. You will be ecstatically happy if some smoker walks in the
street and just blows secondhand smoke directly in your face, correct? After
all, there is no problem with smoking, the chemicals from it cannot infect you
or your children, there is no reason on earth for smokers to adjust their lifestyles
so as to not impact on yours correct? The same goes for being bitten by another
person's dog - it might be wonderful to let a dog the size of a calf run
around free, licking strangers etc, but not everybody consents to that. Should
dog owners not make some changes to accommodate this?

Please take this thought with you - Namibia does not have a single plastic factory.
Not one. Walk on the banks of the Kunene river in the far north of that country,
and you will find mountains of stinking plastic waste all over - brought in from
other countries. I live in an area myself surrounded by 14 nature reserves. Walk
in any one of those areas and you will find the choking evidence of humanity's
I do not care to adjust my lifestyle for the benefit of other beings' attitude.
It does not make anybody an eco-warrior to just think a little bit more about
others, including their own children, and less about him/herself.

So now, I don't care about my children...

  My apologies really if my wish to care for all life and to love all life is deluded. It is
exactly that delusion that makes me clean up after the likes of you, like a mother
having to change a baby's nappy.

...let's see where all this care and love you are full of, takes you next
in this conversation.
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:

  
  Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

Not a bad idea actually. That is to say: not effective in any meaningful way
in your campaign to "save the planet", but a good marketing idea.

These topics always get so extreme and I don't really get why. Nobody was
talking about saving the planet. It's very practical: Every piece of plastic
that you don't use, is a piece of plastic that does not end up in the environment.
Would it make sense to just dump empty our bottles in the park just because "not
doing it would not save the planet?".

You wouldn't tell a baker to stop baking bread just because doing it is not
going to solve starvation in Africa, right?

Not polluting is simply a good thing to do. Nothing more, nothing less. If you
can spare using a piece of plastic - whether that's you or me doing it -
then that is simply a good thing to do. There's really no need to go full
nihilistic about it, a throwing up of arms saying we're all doomed and nothing
we change can possibly save us anymore. Even if that's true, I'd rather
practise some good habits and good manners while we're still here

This is not to say I'm any better. I used single use plastic as well today.

The EU is banning several single use plastic items in 2021. That's a great
move. If we'd always be wondering about whether decisions would save the
planet, we would still be using asbestos and mercury in products today. Every
step helps.

So let's not get all negative and cynical and let's be positive and look
at what we can do. What we can't do, we can't. That's ok. But everything
we can do smarter than we did before is a bit of gain.

Well put! Cheers.
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That's pretty.

Robert
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  In General, Brick.envy writes:
  Plastics are good, if used as intended.

That's pretty.

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I would never want one print touching another!
That's yucky.
I smell Classic Space 50th anniversary coming!
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In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, NavySTi writes:
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
  Plastics are good, if used as intended.

That's pretty.

Robert
Little Bug's Bricks

I would never want one print touching another!
That's yucky.
I smell Classic Space 50th anniversary coming!
It's important to look forward to things in life

That is the best reply to the orginal Thread!!
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  In General, Brick.envy writes:
I would never want one print touching another!
That's yucky.

Pretty sure the Lego Company has printed parts touching other printed parts in
the factory sealed boxes.
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In General, runner.caller writes:
  
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
I would never want one print touching another!
That's yucky.

Pretty sure the Lego Company has printed parts touching other printed parts in
the factory sealed boxes.

That's lazy and weak!
We all live that every time we open a new set.
We all think the same thing?
If you're a honest, serious LEGO being!
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In General, Brick.envy writes:
  In General, runner.caller writes:
  
  In General, Brick.envy writes:
I would never want one print touching another!
That's yucky.

Pretty sure the Lego Company has printed parts touching other printed parts in
the factory sealed boxes.

That's lazy and weak!
We all live that every time we open a new set.
We all think the same thing?
If you're a honest, serious LEGO being!

Be true to yourself, and your loves
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I have had a section on my terms page that talks about the plastic we use and
if a buyer wants to receive less they can certainly ask. No one has taken the
offer yet though.

Plastic Bags
Nearly our entire inventory is separated in plastic baggies.  This is to help
us ensure that the order is complete with no errors as well as to protect the
parts in the shipping process.  This also helps the buyer confirm that they have
received all the parts they ordered. Whenever possible we consolidate same/similar
parts into the same bag to reduce the amount of plastic used.   If you would
prefer to receive less plastic in your order please indicate this on your order. 
Used parts will always be kept separate from new, and any higher priced parts,
collectible figures, or sets will be in their own bag or box.  Any bags held
out of the order will be re-used.


I just picked an order, and without being asked I consolidated several items
and pulled out about 20 baggies. Each one of those will be re-used for another
part or Minifigure. It takes more time to consolidate, and the baggies are so
cheap, there is no profit, but it will lower the amount of plastic out there.

For those using "compostable" plastic. Be sure to do your research. Here in
the sates, you can call your product "compostable" if it will break down in a
commercial composting process. These processes are generally around 140 degrees
F. If a "compostable" plastic bag is dumped on the street or in the ocean, it
is going to break down sooner than regular plastic, but not in our lifetime or
child's lifetime. Animals will still die if they swallow it, and the chemicals
used to make them will still pollute land and sea. Plus, there is not great
access to commercial composting (other than landscape waste) in most areas.
Most of the time "compostable" items just get sent to the same place as all the
other garbage and take up space in the landfill.
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In General, VOTB writes:
  I have had a section on my terms page that talks about the plastic we use and
if a buyer wants to receive less they can certainly ask. No one has taken the
offer yet though.

Plastic Bags
Nearly our entire inventory is separated in plastic baggies.  This is to help
us ensure that the order is complete with no errors as well as to protect the
parts in the shipping process.  This also helps the buyer confirm that they have
received all the parts they ordered. Whenever possible we consolidate same/similar
parts into the same bag to reduce the amount of plastic used.   If you would
prefer to receive less plastic in your order please indicate this on your order. 
Used parts will always be kept separate from new, and any higher priced parts,
collectible figures, or sets will be in their own bag or box.  Any bags held
out of the order will be re-used.


I just picked an order, and without being asked I consolidated several items
and pulled out about 20 baggies. Each one of those will be re-used for another
part or Minifigure. It takes more time to consolidate, and the baggies are so
cheap, there is no profit, but it will lower the amount of plastic out there.

For those using "compostable" plastic. Be sure to do your research. Here in
the sates, you can call your product "compostable" if it will break down in a
commercial composting process. These processes are generally around 140 degrees
F. If a "compostable" plastic bag is dumped on the street or in the ocean, it
is going to break down sooner than regular plastic, but not in our lifetime or
child's lifetime. Animals will still die if they swallow it, and the chemicals
used to make them will still pollute land and sea. Plus, there is not great
access to commercial composting (other than landscape waste) in most areas.
Most of the time "compostable" items just get sent to the same place as all the
other garbage and take up space in the landfill.

You're amazing!
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In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

I personally feel strongly about plastic waste as well.

I use a ton of plastic in my shipments (I love using bubble wrap!) BUT
I'd say 95% of it is recycled. I also reuse all the baggies sent to me as
long as they are decent, and have been able to buy used bags in bulk on occasion
on fleabay, most of my mailers are reused too.

In fact, this is part of the reason I do not sell many new parts. My new parts
are usually from clearance sets. I don't buy new for myself either. My personal
morals are to "recycle" whenever possible and buying used and recycling is part
of that. NO judgement to others, just my own personal feelings.

If anyone who isn't using them wants to send me a pile of used baggies, or
even lego poly bags/plastic (I have a heat sealer and reuse those as well!) I'd
be happy to pay postage (as long as you have enough to make it worth it). I use
them to store my personal stuff as well if its not worth dedicating an entire
drawer.

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In General, Adjour writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

I personally feel strongly about plastic waste as well.

I use a ton of plastic in my shipments (I love using bubble wrap!) BUT
I'd say 95% of it is recycled. I also reuse all the baggies sent to me as
long as they are decent, and have been able to buy used bags in bulk on occasion
on fleabay, most of my mailers are reused too.

In fact, this is part of the reason I do not sell many new parts. My new parts
are usually from clearance sets. I don't buy new for myself either. My personal
morals are to "recycle" whenever possible and buying used and recycling is part
of that. NO judgement to others, just my own personal feelings.

If anyone who isn't using them wants to send me a pile of used baggies, or
even lego poly bags/plastic (I have a heat sealer and reuse those as well!) I'd
be happy to pay postage (as long as you have enough to make it worth it). I use
them to store my personal stuff as well if its not worth dedicating an entire
drawer.



Thanks for you input and thoughts. Cheers.
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In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!

I suggest that we put each piece in a wood box, then all the wood boxes in a
big wood box and then the big wood box in a big cardboard box and use Elmer's
Glue instead of plastic tape. We can use blood instead of ink to write the address.
Then we ship the order on a canal by a boat that is powered by the wind. Once
it gets to the destination city final delivery by horse drawn carriages with
a vegan driver.
Problem solved.
John P
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In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!

I suggest that we put each piece in a wood box, then all the wood boxes in a
big wood box and then the big wood box in a big cardboard box and use Elmer's
Glue instead of plastic tape. We can use blood instead of ink to write the address.
Then we ship the order on a canal by a boat that is powered by the wind. Once
it gets to the destination city final delivery by horse drawn carriages with
a vegan driver.
Problem solved.
John P

There is always a clown peeing in someone elses parade. I am sorry you did not
try to contribute and offer some thoughts to the discussion. You think your thoughts
are so ill founded so you dare not speak up? Who is extreme? Not me.
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In General, DrFille writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!

I suggest that we put each piece in a wood box, then all the wood boxes in a
big wood box and then the big wood box in a big cardboard box and use Elmer's
Glue instead of plastic tape. We can use blood instead of ink to write the address.
Then we ship the order on a canal by a boat that is powered by the wind. Once
it gets to the destination city final delivery by horse drawn carriages with
a vegan driver.
Problem solved.
John P

There is always a clown peeing in someone elses parade. I am sorry you did not
try to contribute and offer some thoughts to the discussion. You think your thoughts
are so ill founded so you dare not speak up? Who is extreme? Not me.

Well this clown looks at how people complain about the use of certain items,
but turn around and get into a car that pollutes or eat meat that is part of
the CO2 (cows) problem rather than not to eat meat. It is far better for the
environment to eat vegetables rather than meat to protect the environment as
meat is a very inefficient use the food chain.
People complain about plastic and then use it. My family does not eat meat,
recycles, and we have a hybrid car, and I could care less about others doing
what we do.
So, dear poster, use less plastic and drive your car and eat your meat and you
can be happier. But, refrain, if possible, complaints that people want to protect
the Lego they ship and want to make sure that what a buyer orders reaches them
in good shape.
O yes, also stop buying anything that is made in China as they pollute and contribute
more to harm the environment than the US and other western countries.
John P

(By the way, I care little what other people do. It is personal. My vegetarianism
is a personal choice. It does not bother me that others eat meat. That is their
choice. Maybe we should stop buying Lego, they are plastic also.)
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In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!

I suggest that we put each piece in a wood box, then all the wood boxes in a
big wood box and then the big wood box in a big cardboard box and use Elmer's
Glue instead of plastic tape. We can use blood instead of ink to write the address.
Then we ship the order on a canal by a boat that is powered by the wind. Once
it gets to the destination city final delivery by horse drawn carriages with
a vegan driver.
Problem solved.
John P

There is always a clown peeing in someone elses parade. I am sorry you did not
try to contribute and offer some thoughts to the discussion. You think your thoughts
are so ill founded so you dare not speak up? Who is extreme? Not me.

Well this clown looks at how people complain about the use of certain items,
but turn around and get into a car that pollutes or eat meat that is part of
the CO2 (cows) problem rather than not to eat meat. It is far better for the
environment to eat vegetables rather than meat to protect the environment as
meat is a very inefficient use the food chain.
People complain about plastic and then use it. My family does not eat meat,
recycles, and we have a hybrid car, and I could care less about others doing
what we do.
So, dear poster, use less plastic and drive your car and eat your meat and you
can be happier. But, refrain, if possible, complaints that people want to protect
the Lego they ship and want to make sure that what a buyer orders reaches them
in good shape.
O yes, also stop buying anything that is made in China as they pollute and contribute
more to harm the environment than the US and other western countries.
John P

(By the way, I care little what other people do. It is personal. My vegetarianism
is a personal choice. It does not bother me that others eat meat. That is their
choice. Maybe we should stop buying Lego, they are plastic also.)

I am well aware there are other bigger problems, but think it's illogical
to no try the small things just because there are bigger things also. Is there
any reason at all to not try looking into small easier-to-change things also
and not "comparing" with other things? I think it is illogical as there isn't
an "either this or either that" and everything moving habits in the right direction
is a good thing as habits may be hard to change for some of us. Why bash on that?
How does bashing on that contribute to anything at all?
This is a Lego forum, so I try to stick to discussing a Lego-trading related
thing.

I have not seen Lego thrown out in the nature or anywhere else and I think most
here (the Forum/target group at hand!) rather sell their Lego or give it away
rather than just throw it out the window or in the garbage can.
I think some keep their Lego they had as kids and give it to their own kids (on
so on?), alternatively sit on their figures or collection sets until they die

As for plastics bags, plastic cans and such, there are islands floating around
with those. If I would for some reason throw away Lego (and not GIVE it away),
I would go to the recycle bin for hard plastic stationen in my yard (the very
idea of throwing away Lego feels alien for me personally, like throwing away
a book; I rather give it away).

Comparing the core item with potenial excess packaging for the item in some orders
seems a bit unforgiving.
Not sure I understand what exactly you are saying with "but, refrain, if possible,
complaints that people want to protect the Lego they ship and want to make sure
that what a buyer orders reaches them in good shape.". Are you saying that all
Lego iterms and all orders has the same requirements for protection? That an
extra zip bag around each piece of 2x3 brick (no print, no sticker) protects
against breaking or bashing the contents of the package?
I try to say that I believe that requirements shift and some deliverables has
an EXCESS of plastic zip bags and such within the wrapping or bag within the
package. Meaning I suggest the extra on THOSE orders doesn't add any significant
protection and is added for other reasons. Sorry if it sounded as I was "complaining",
I try to open a constructive discussion with potential options, focus being on
the Lego trade at hand.
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In General, DrFille writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!

I suggest that we put each piece in a wood box, then all the wood boxes in a
big wood box and then the big wood box in a big cardboard box and use Elmer's
Glue instead of plastic tape. We can use blood instead of ink to write the address.
Then we ship the order on a canal by a boat that is powered by the wind. Once
it gets to the destination city final delivery by horse drawn carriages with
a vegan driver.
Problem solved.
John P

There is always a clown peeing in someone elses parade. I am sorry you did not
try to contribute and offer some thoughts to the discussion. You think your thoughts
are so ill founded so you dare not speak up? Who is extreme? Not me.

Well this clown looks at how people complain about the use of certain items,
but turn around and get into a car that pollutes or eat meat that is part of
the CO2 (cows) problem rather than not to eat meat. It is far better for the
environment to eat vegetables rather than meat to protect the environment as
meat is a very inefficient use the food chain.
People complain about plastic and then use it. My family does not eat meat,
recycles, and we have a hybrid car, and I could care less about others doing
what we do.
So, dear poster, use less plastic and drive your car and eat your meat and you
can be happier. But, refrain, if possible, complaints that people want to protect
the Lego they ship and want to make sure that what a buyer orders reaches them
in good shape.
O yes, also stop buying anything that is made in China as they pollute and contribute
more to harm the environment than the US and other western countries.
John P

(By the way, I care little what other people do. It is personal. My vegetarianism
is a personal choice. It does not bother me that others eat meat. That is their
choice. Maybe we should stop buying Lego, they are plastic also.)

I am well aware there are other bigger problems, but think it's illogical
to no try the small things just because there are bigger things also. Is there
any reason at all to not try looking into small easier-to-change things also
and not "comparing" with other things? I think it is illogical as there isn't
an "either this or either that" and everything moving habits in the right direction
is a good thing as habits may be hard to change for some of us. Why bash on that?
How does bashing on that contribute to anything at all?
This is a Lego forum, so I try to stick to discussing a Lego-trading related
thing.

I have not seen Lego thrown out in the nature or anywhere else and I think most
here (the Forum/target group at hand!) rather sell their Lego or give it away
rather than just throw it out the window or in the garbage can.
I think some keep their Lego they had as kids and give it to their own kids (on
so on?), alternatively sit on their figures or collection sets until they die

As for plastics bags, plastic cans and such, there are islands floating around
with those. If I would for some reason throw away Lego (and not GIVE it away),
I would go to the recycle bin for hard plastic stationen in my yard (the very
idea of throwing away Lego feels alien for me personally, like throwing away
a book; I rather give it away).

Comparing the core item with potenial excess packaging for the item in some orders
seems a bit unforgiving.
Not sure I understand what exactly you are saying with "but, refrain, if possible,
complaints that people want to protect the Lego they ship and want to make sure
that what a buyer orders reaches them in good shape.". Are you saying that all
Lego iterms and all orders has the same requirements for protection? That an
extra zip bag around each piece of 2x3 brick (no print, no sticker) protects
against breaking or bashing the contents of the package?
I try to say that I believe that requirements shift and some deliverables has
an EXCESS of plastic zip bags and such within the wrapping or bag within the
package. Meaning I suggest the extra on THOSE orders doesn't add any significant
protection and is added for other reasons. Sorry if it sounded as I was "complaining",
I try to open a constructive discussion with potential options, focus being on
the Lego trade at hand.

There are two things going on. I just do not like someone saying "do this to
help the environment" and then ignore the things they do, like driving that harms
the environment. Most buyers like items in separate bags, well packed, plenty
of packing such as bubble wrap and strong boxes. If you search the forum, check
out all the complaints about items dumped altogether in one bag or poor packing.
As for me, I try to reuse boxes and wrapping and bubble packing. You do not
know that many of the items are used again or thrown away. I like to get
my stuff packed in bubble wrap so I can reuse it. Good sellers do this because
it decreases their costs of shipping supplies.
I am not against saving the environment, I am against people telling us to do
that and then jumping in a car that pollutes and uses petroleum products.
What you posted is no different than me saying "When you ship Lego, hand carry
your packages to the post office instead of going in a vehicle."
I just find is odd to only support one aspect of environmental problem and ignore
all the others. That is a by hypocritical to do that. Keep it within Lego selling
and I am sure you will carry your packages to post now.
Don't carry issues to extremes. Where you live there are great environmental
protection laws. It is a drain on European economies at times, but they are
thought out and do good.

Besides, what I posted was a joke.
now I have to leave in my car that gets almost 70 miles per gallon, I think I
will pick up some plastic bags.

John P
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In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!

I suggest that we put each piece in a wood box, then all the wood boxes in a
big wood box and then the big wood box in a big cardboard box and use Elmer's
Glue instead of plastic tape. We can use blood instead of ink to write the address.
Then we ship the order on a canal by a boat that is powered by the wind. Once
it gets to the destination city final delivery by horse drawn carriages with
a vegan driver.
Problem solved.
John P

There is always a clown peeing in someone elses parade. I am sorry you did not
try to contribute and offer some thoughts to the discussion. You think your thoughts
are so ill founded so you dare not speak up? Who is extreme? Not me.

Well this clown looks at how people complain about the use of certain items,
but turn around and get into a car that pollutes or eat meat that is part of
the CO2 (cows) problem rather than not to eat meat. It is far better for the
environment to eat vegetables rather than meat to protect the environment as
meat is a very inefficient use the food chain.
People complain about plastic and then use it. My family does not eat meat,
recycles, and we have a hybrid car, and I could care less about others doing
what we do.
So, dear poster, use less plastic and drive your car and eat your meat and you
can be happier. But, refrain, if possible, complaints that people want to protect
the Lego they ship and want to make sure that what a buyer orders reaches them
in good shape.
O yes, also stop buying anything that is made in China as they pollute and contribute
more to harm the environment than the US and other western countries.
John P

(By the way, I care little what other people do. It is personal. My vegetarianism
is a personal choice. It does not bother me that others eat meat. That is their
choice. Maybe we should stop buying Lego, they are plastic also.)

I am well aware there are other bigger problems, but think it's illogical
to no try the small things just because there are bigger things also. Is there
any reason at all to not try looking into small easier-to-change things also
and not "comparing" with other things? I think it is illogical as there isn't
an "either this or either that" and everything moving habits in the right direction
is a good thing as habits may be hard to change for some of us. Why bash on that?
How does bashing on that contribute to anything at all?
This is a Lego forum, so I try to stick to discussing a Lego-trading related
thing.

I have not seen Lego thrown out in the nature or anywhere else and I think most
here (the Forum/target group at hand!) rather sell their Lego or give it away
rather than just throw it out the window or in the garbage can.
I think some keep their Lego they had as kids and give it to their own kids (on
so on?), alternatively sit on their figures or collection sets until they die

As for plastics bags, plastic cans and such, there are islands floating around
with those. If I would for some reason throw away Lego (and not GIVE it away),
I would go to the recycle bin for hard plastic stationen in my yard (the very
idea of throwing away Lego feels alien for me personally, like throwing away
a book; I rather give it away).

Comparing the core item with potenial excess packaging for the item in some orders
seems a bit unforgiving.
Not sure I understand what exactly you are saying with "but, refrain, if possible,
complaints that people want to protect the Lego they ship and want to make sure
that what a buyer orders reaches them in good shape.". Are you saying that all
Lego iterms and all orders has the same requirements for protection? That an
extra zip bag around each piece of 2x3 brick (no print, no sticker) protects
against breaking or bashing the contents of the package?
I try to say that I believe that requirements shift and some deliverables has
an EXCESS of plastic zip bags and such within the wrapping or bag within the
package. Meaning I suggest the extra on THOSE orders doesn't add any significant
protection and is added for other reasons. Sorry if it sounded as I was "complaining",
I try to open a constructive discussion with potential options, focus being on
the Lego trade at hand.

There are two things going on. I just do not like someone saying "do this to
help the environment" and then ignore the things they do, like driving that harms
the environment. Most buyers like items in separate bags, well packed, plenty
of packing such as bubble wrap and strong boxes. If you search the forum, check
out all the complaints about items dumped altogether in one bag or poor packing.
As for me, I try to reuse boxes and wrapping and bubble packing. You do not
know that many of the items are used again or thrown away. I like to get
my stuff packed in bubble wrap so I can reuse it. Good sellers do this because
it decreases their costs of shipping supplies.
I am not against saving the environment, I am against people telling us to do
that and then jumping in a car that pollutes and uses petroleum products.
What you posted is no different than me saying "When you ship Lego, hand carry
your packages to the post office instead of going in a vehicle."
I just find is odd to only support one aspect of environmental problem and ignore
all the others. That is a by hypocritical to do that. Keep it within Lego selling
and I am sure you will carry your packages to post now.
Don't carry issues to extremes. Where you live there are great environmental
protection laws. It is a drain on European economies at times, but they are
thought out and do good.

Besides, what I posted was a joke.
now I have to leave in my car that gets almost 70 miles per gallon, I think I
will pick up some plastic bags.

John P

I agree it would be hypocritical to criticize other people. But that's not
how the post sounded to me. To me it just seemed like a description of a problem
and an invitation for constructive ideas. To me (just speaking for myself) it
didn't seem like the OP was judging or criticizing sellers. If he was, then
I reckon his suggestion to raise awareness wouldn't be effective, if sellers
were just considered careless and bad.

I thought your post was funny but there's a bit of a risk in it too. As a
vegetarian you probably ran into the "but soybeans are bad for the planet too"
kind of people. We don't want to get stuck in the "everything is bad so whatever"
pit. Though I see that's not how you intended it.
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!

I suggest that we put each piece in a wood box, then all the wood boxes in a
big wood box and then the big wood box in a big cardboard box and use Elmer's
Glue instead of plastic tape. We can use blood instead of ink to write the address.
Then we ship the order on a canal by a boat that is powered by the wind. Once
it gets to the destination city final delivery by horse drawn carriages with
a vegan driver.
Problem solved.
John P

There is always a clown peeing in someone elses parade. I am sorry you did not
try to contribute and offer some thoughts to the discussion. You think your thoughts
are so ill founded so you dare not speak up? Who is extreme? Not me.

Well this clown looks at how people complain about the use of certain items,
but turn around and get into a car that pollutes or eat meat that is part of
the CO2 (cows) problem rather than not to eat meat. It is far better for the
environment to eat vegetables rather than meat to protect the environment as
meat is a very inefficient use the food chain.
People complain about plastic and then use it. My family does not eat meat,
recycles, and we have a hybrid car, and I could care less about others doing
what we do.
So, dear poster, use less plastic and drive your car and eat your meat and you
can be happier. But, refrain, if possible, complaints that people want to protect
the Lego they ship and want to make sure that what a buyer orders reaches them
in good shape.
O yes, also stop buying anything that is made in China as they pollute and contribute
more to harm the environment than the US and other western countries.
John P

(By the way, I care little what other people do. It is personal. My vegetarianism
is a personal choice. It does not bother me that others eat meat. That is their
choice. Maybe we should stop buying Lego, they are plastic also.)

I am well aware there are other bigger problems, but think it's illogical
to no try the small things just because there are bigger things also. Is there
any reason at all to not try looking into small easier-to-change things also
and not "comparing" with other things? I think it is illogical as there isn't
an "either this or either that" and everything moving habits in the right direction
is a good thing as habits may be hard to change for some of us. Why bash on that?
How does bashing on that contribute to anything at all?
This is a Lego forum, so I try to stick to discussing a Lego-trading related
thing.

I have not seen Lego thrown out in the nature or anywhere else and I think most
here (the Forum/target group at hand!) rather sell their Lego or give it away
rather than just throw it out the window or in the garbage can.
I think some keep their Lego they had as kids and give it to their own kids (on
so on?), alternatively sit on their figures or collection sets until they die

As for plastics bags, plastic cans and such, there are islands floating around
with those. If I would for some reason throw away Lego (and not GIVE it away),
I would go to the recycle bin for hard plastic stationen in my yard (the very
idea of throwing away Lego feels alien for me personally, like throwing away
a book; I rather give it away).

Comparing the core item with potenial excess packaging for the item in some orders
seems a bit unforgiving.
Not sure I understand what exactly you are saying with "but, refrain, if possible,
complaints that people want to protect the Lego they ship and want to make sure
that what a buyer orders reaches them in good shape.". Are you saying that all
Lego iterms and all orders has the same requirements for protection? That an
extra zip bag around each piece of 2x3 brick (no print, no sticker) protects
against breaking or bashing the contents of the package?
I try to say that I believe that requirements shift and some deliverables has
an EXCESS of plastic zip bags and such within the wrapping or bag within the
package. Meaning I suggest the extra on THOSE orders doesn't add any significant
protection and is added for other reasons. Sorry if it sounded as I was "complaining",
I try to open a constructive discussion with potential options, focus being on
the Lego trade at hand.

There are two things going on. I just do not like someone saying "do this to
help the environment" and then ignore the things they do, like driving that harms
the environment. Most buyers like items in separate bags, well packed, plenty
of packing such as bubble wrap and strong boxes. If you search the forum, check
out all the complaints about items dumped altogether in one bag or poor packing.
As for me, I try to reuse boxes and wrapping and bubble packing. You do not
know that many of the items are used again or thrown away. I like to get
my stuff packed in bubble wrap so I can reuse it. Good sellers do this because
it decreases their costs of shipping supplies.
I am not against saving the environment, I am against people telling us to do
that and then jumping in a car that pollutes and uses petroleum products.
What you posted is no different than me saying "When you ship Lego, hand carry
your packages to the post office instead of going in a vehicle."
I just find is odd to only support one aspect of environmental problem and ignore
all the others. That is a by hypocritical to do that. Keep it within Lego selling
and I am sure you will carry your packages to post now.
Don't carry issues to extremes. Where you live there are great environmental
protection laws. It is a drain on European economies at times, but they are
thought out and do good.

Besides, what I posted was a joke.
now I have to leave in my car that gets almost 70 miles per gallon, I think I
will pick up some plastic bags.

John P

I agree it would be hypocritical to criticize other people. But that's not
how the post sounded to me. To me it just seemed like a description of a problem
and an invitation for constructive ideas. To me (just speaking for myself) it
didn't seem like the OP was judging or criticizing sellers. If he was, then
I reckon his suggestion to raise awareness wouldn't be effective, if sellers
were just considered careless and bad.

I thought your post was funny but there's a bit of a risk in it too. As a
vegetarian you probably ran into the "but soybeans are bad for the planet too"
kind of people. We don't want to get stuck in the "everything is bad so whatever"
pit. Though I see that's not how you intended it.

You make me so mad. You are such a voice of reason.
You are totally right. I overreacted to that post. Thank you for bringing me
back to reality.
John P
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In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  I thought your post was funny but there's a bit of a risk in it too. As a
vegetarian you probably ran into the "but soybeans are bad for the planet too"
kind of people. We don't want to get stuck in the "everything is bad so whatever"
pit. Though I see that's not how you intended it.

You make me so mad. You are such a voice of reason.
You are totally right. I overreacted to that post. Thank you for bringing me
back to reality.

I thoroughly enjoyed this post, not so much because of the topic, but more because
of the civilized back-and-forth, and the ability of (especially these two) posters
to "see the other side". This is how a forum should be. All to often people dig
in, lose the will to see reason, and sometimes resort to name calling (which
I have zero respect for). Thank you!

And to all a (belated) happy Friday!

Niek.
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In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!

I suggest that we put each piece in a wood box, then all the wood boxes in a
big wood box and then the big wood box in a big cardboard box and use Elmer's
Glue instead of plastic tape. We can use blood instead of ink to write the address.
Then we ship the order on a canal by a boat that is powered by the wind. Once
it gets to the destination city final delivery by horse drawn carriages with
a vegan driver.
Problem solved.
John P

There is always a clown peeing in someone elses parade. I am sorry you did not
try to contribute and offer some thoughts to the discussion. You think your thoughts
are so ill founded so you dare not speak up? Who is extreme? Not me.

Well this clown looks at how people complain about the use of certain items,
but turn around and get into a car that pollutes or eat meat that is part of
the CO2 (cows) problem rather than not to eat meat. It is far better for the
environment to eat vegetables rather than meat to protect the environment as
meat is a very inefficient use the food chain.
People complain about plastic and then use it. My family does not eat meat,
recycles, and we have a hybrid car, and I could care less about others doing
what we do.
So, dear poster, use less plastic and drive your car and eat your meat and you
can be happier. But, refrain, if possible, complaints that people want to protect
the Lego they ship and want to make sure that what a buyer orders reaches them
in good shape.
O yes, also stop buying anything that is made in China as they pollute and contribute
more to harm the environment than the US and other western countries.
John P

(By the way, I care little what other people do. It is personal. My vegetarianism
is a personal choice. It does not bother me that others eat meat. That is their
choice. Maybe we should stop buying Lego, they are plastic also.)

I am well aware there are other bigger problems, but think it's illogical
to no try the small things just because there are bigger things also. Is there
any reason at all to not try looking into small easier-to-change things also
and not "comparing" with other things? I think it is illogical as there isn't
an "either this or either that" and everything moving habits in the right direction
is a good thing as habits may be hard to change for some of us. Why bash on that?
How does bashing on that contribute to anything at all?
This is a Lego forum, so I try to stick to discussing a Lego-trading related
thing.

I have not seen Lego thrown out in the nature or anywhere else and I think most
here (the Forum/target group at hand!) rather sell their Lego or give it away
rather than just throw it out the window or in the garbage can.
I think some keep their Lego they had as kids and give it to their own kids (on
so on?), alternatively sit on their figures or collection sets until they die

As for plastics bags, plastic cans and such, there are islands floating around
with those. If I would for some reason throw away Lego (and not GIVE it away),
I would go to the recycle bin for hard plastic stationen in my yard (the very
idea of throwing away Lego feels alien for me personally, like throwing away
a book; I rather give it away).

Comparing the core item with potenial excess packaging for the item in some orders
seems a bit unforgiving.
Not sure I understand what exactly you are saying with "but, refrain, if possible,
complaints that people want to protect the Lego they ship and want to make sure
that what a buyer orders reaches them in good shape.". Are you saying that all
Lego iterms and all orders has the same requirements for protection? That an
extra zip bag around each piece of 2x3 brick (no print, no sticker) protects
against breaking or bashing the contents of the package?
I try to say that I believe that requirements shift and some deliverables has
an EXCESS of plastic zip bags and such within the wrapping or bag within the
package. Meaning I suggest the extra on THOSE orders doesn't add any significant
protection and is added for other reasons. Sorry if it sounded as I was "complaining",
I try to open a constructive discussion with potential options, focus being on
the Lego trade at hand.

There are two things going on. I just do not like someone saying "do this to
help the environment" and then ignore the things they do, like driving that harms
the environment. Most buyers like items in separate bags, well packed, plenty
of packing such as bubble wrap and strong boxes. If you search the forum, check
out all the complaints about items dumped altogether in one bag or poor packing.
As for me, I try to reuse boxes and wrapping and bubble packing. You do not
know that many of the items are used again or thrown away. I like to get
my stuff packed in bubble wrap so I can reuse it. Good sellers do this because
it decreases their costs of shipping supplies.
I am not against saving the environment, I am against people telling us to do
that and then jumping in a car that pollutes and uses petroleum products.
What you posted is no different than me saying "When you ship Lego, hand carry
your packages to the post office instead of going in a vehicle."
I just find is odd to only support one aspect of environmental problem and ignore
all the others. That is a by hypocritical to do that. Keep it within Lego selling
and I am sure you will carry your packages to post now.
Don't carry issues to extremes. Where you live there are great environmental
protection laws. It is a drain on European economies at times, but they are
thought out and do good.

Besides, what I posted was a joke.
now I have to leave in my car that gets almost 70 miles per gallon, I think I
will pick up some plastic bags.

John P

I agree it would be hypocritical to criticize other people. But that's not
how the post sounded to me. To me it just seemed like a description of a problem
and an invitation for constructive ideas. To me (just speaking for myself) it
didn't seem like the OP was judging or criticizing sellers. If he was, then
I reckon his suggestion to raise awareness wouldn't be effective, if sellers
were just considered careless and bad.

I thought your post was funny but there's a bit of a risk in it too. As a
vegetarian you probably ran into the "but soybeans are bad for the planet too"
kind of people. We don't want to get stuck in the "everything is bad so whatever"
pit. Though I see that's not how you intended it.

You make me so mad. You are such a voice of reason.
You are totally right. I overreacted to that post. Thank you for bringing me
back to reality.
John P

cheers

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  I liked to get my Lego in zip lock bags. I gave the bags to my wife so she could
put dinner leftovers in them. Save money where ever you can.
John P

From the smell of it, some sellers seem to recycle it the other way around
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  In General, DrFille writes:
  Hi all, New in this forum. I have been thinking about how much extra plastic
most sellers put in their delivery. Am mainly thinking of all plastic zip bags/plastic
bags.

At times I end up with a big pile of plastic; bags and bubble plast. YEAH, I
know Lego is plastic, but the Lego is used and kept. The plastic packaging I
do not keep.

Honestly, a large majority of the delivery I get could have been fine with less
than a third of the extra plastic around the Lego. Some deliveries are over-packed
with almost as many zip-bags as Lego pieces. This is silly and add no value for
me just more plastic to get rid of and more time to open the delivery. As much
as I love Lego, I really hate that som much plastic is thrown away by people
(a lot ending up in the sea). Yeah, I recycle, but allow me to doubt all do that.

Decreasing the amount of packaging material doesn't cost anything and the
small bags hardly protect the Lego anyway. I think the over-packaging is just
not thought of and if more people thought it is not really needed, less plastic
would float around.
Seeing all the wasted plastic laying around outdoors makes me sick. The plastic
doesn't compose and looks really awful. In the sea, fishes may die in plastic
or get affected in other ways (they get plastic inside them).

Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?

- All of above?

Cheers!

I suggest that we put each piece in a wood box, then all the wood boxes in a
big wood box and then the big wood box in a big cardboard box and use Elmer's
Glue instead of plastic tape. We can use blood instead of ink to write the address.
Then we ship the order on a canal by a boat that is powered by the wind. Once
it gets to the destination city final delivery by horse drawn carriages with
a vegan driver.
Problem solved.

Thanks John. The humor was needed, at least by me
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In General, DrFille writes:
  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?


Personally I really enjoy receiving an order of many small pieces well sorted
in countless small plastic bags. I then reuse those for storage of LEGO and all
sorts of other small items. I only really have to buy small plastic bags when
I'm not using BrickLink regularly. Thrash is sorted in my area so even when
I need to throw some out it's my impression they will be recycled.

If you don't mind receiving your orders unsorted in one big bag, by all means
request this to the seller and I'm sure most will be happy to oblige.
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In General, sfzdk writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?


Personally I really enjoy receiving an order of many small pieces well sorted
in countless small plastic bags. I then reuse those for storage of LEGO and all
sorts of other small items. I only really have to buy small plastic bags when
I'm not using BrickLink regularly. Thrash is sorted in my area so even when
I need to throw some out it's my impression they will be recycled.

+1

Same here. I don't know of any place in the US that trash is not sorted for
recycling. I just assumed it's the same in Europe.
  
If you don't mind receiving your orders unsorted in one big bag, by all means
request this to the seller and I'm sure most will be happy to oblige.

Now you're be pragmatic. Making too much sense
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In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, sfzdk writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?


Personally I really enjoy receiving an order of many small pieces well sorted
in countless small plastic bags. I then reuse those for storage of LEGO and all
sorts of other small items. I only really have to buy small plastic bags when
I'm not using BrickLink regularly. Thrash is sorted in my area so even when
I need to throw some out it's my impression they will be recycled.

+1

Same here. I don't know of any place in the US that trash is not sorted for
recycling. I just assumed it's the same in Europe.

...
And then what happens to it? The plastic fairy takes it?
Let's face it: plastic cannot be recycled. Not into the same product. The
plastic that you use, ends up in nature, whether that's after its first life
or its second as a garbage bag. Either burned, or in the great pacific garbage
patch, or in Africa, or somewhere else. But it will. I'm not saying anyone
is guilty or I am better than anyone else. And I'm not trying to make a point
or push an agenda. But let's keep our facts straight: the plastic we use
ends up in nature and it does not degrade for decades. And when it does, it turns
into micropastics that are here to stay and is consumed by animals and by us.
If that means you still enjoy every lot bagged individually then that's alright
with me, I won't judge and I'm probably no better. I also use too much
of it and I wouldn't know how to live without plastic either. But if you're
under the impression that the bags don't end up in nature then that's
a mistake that needs correcting..
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, sfzdk writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?


Personally I really enjoy receiving an order of many small pieces well sorted
in countless small plastic bags. I then reuse those for storage of LEGO and all
sorts of other small items. I only really have to buy small plastic bags when
I'm not using BrickLink regularly. Thrash is sorted in my area so even when
I need to throw some out it's my impression they will be recycled.

+1

Same here. I don't know of any place in the US that trash is not sorted for
recycling. I just assumed it's the same in Europe.

...
And then what happens to it? The plastic fairy takes it?
Let's face it: plastic cannot be recycled. Not into the same product.

Why would you require that it be recycled into the same product

  The plastic that you use, ends up in nature, whether that's after its first life
or its second as a garbage bag. Either burned, or in the great pacific garbage
patch, or in Africa, or somewhere else. But it will.

And even more misinformation. "Second life?" Plastic can be recycled 7-9 times
before it's fibers become too short. It's recyclability is higher than
that of paper, which is 4-6 times.

  I'm not saying anyone is guilty or I am better than anyone else. And I'm not trying to make a point
or push an agenda. But let's keep our facts straight: the plastic we use
ends up in nature and it does not degrade for decades. And when it does, it turns
into micropastics that are here to stay and is consumed by animals and by us.
If that means you still enjoy every lot bagged individually then that's alright
with me, I won't judge and I'm probably no better. I also use too much
of it and I wouldn't know how to live without plastic either. But if you're
under the impression that the bags don't end up in nature then that's
a mistake that needs correcting..

Hyperbolic, as most within the doctrine. And why people like Mike (SimplyBricks)
invoke terms such as "eco-warrior" Try tempering the fanaticism with pragmatism.
Be more empirical with your arguments, so at least I feel like I can respond.
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In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, sfzdk writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?


Personally I really enjoy receiving an order of many small pieces well sorted
in countless small plastic bags. I then reuse those for storage of LEGO and all
sorts of other small items. I only really have to buy small plastic bags when
I'm not using BrickLink regularly. Thrash is sorted in my area so even when
I need to throw some out it's my impression they will be recycled.

+1

Same here. I don't know of any place in the US that trash is not sorted for
recycling. I just assumed it's the same in Europe.

...
And then what happens to it? The plastic fairy takes it?
Let's face it: plastic cannot be recycled. Not into the same product.

Why would you require that it be recycled into the same product

  The plastic that you use, ends up in nature, whether that's after its first life
or its second as a garbage bag. Either burned, or in the great pacific garbage
patch, or in Africa, or somewhere else. But it will.

And even more misinformation. "Second life?" Plastic can be recycled 7-9 times
before it's fibers become too short. It's recyclability is higher than
that of paper, which is 4-6 times.

Paper decomposes. Plastic does not decompose. Ther's absolutely no way
those materials can be compared. Not one of the plastic ziplock bags you use
came from recycled plastic. LDPE is not yet recyclable, at least not in an economically
viable way. All ziplock bags were produced from crude oil and they will end
up in the environment regardless of how many resurrections as lower grade products
they will get.

  
  I'm not saying anyone is guilty or I am better than anyone else. And I'm not trying to make a point
or push an agenda. But let's keep our facts straight: the plastic we use
ends up in nature and it does not degrade for decades. And when it does, it turns
into micropastics that are here to stay and is consumed by animals and by us.
If that means you still enjoy every lot bagged individually then that's alright
with me, I won't judge and I'm probably no better. I also use too much
of it and I wouldn't know how to live without plastic either. But if you're
under the impression that the bags don't end up in nature then that's
a mistake that needs correcting..

Hyperbolic, as most within the doctrine. And why people like Mike (SimplyBricks)
invoke terms such as "eco-warrior" Try tempering the fanaticism with pragmatism.
Be more empirical with your arguments, so at least I feel like I can respond.

No, I won't. Doctrine.. I'm shocked. Everyone I've met is aware
of the problem. You're the first person I have ever met who's not. I've
given you the memo, so now it's up to you to do with it what you want. I
don't know what filter bubble you need to be in to not be aware of the problem,
but if you google it you will end up with tons of documentaries with tons of
experts talking about it.
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  Why would you require that it be recycled into the same product

Yeah, a lot of single use plastics are for food use, and these cannot be recycled
into more plastic for food use due to possibility of contamination. Whereas they
can be recycled into plastics for other items.

I have no problem with cutting out things like bottled water and instead using
a reusable bottle. We had the bag tax come in a number of years ago. I live in
an area where we do not get wheelie bins, so I end up having to buy rubbish bags
now instead of reusing the ones that used to be free from the supermarkets. The
headline figures are always amazing when they say how many plastic bags have
been saved, yet I doubt it is accurate when you take account of the amount of
other bags bought to be used in their place. It is simply not possible to reuse
bin bags, and if we leave an alternative item such as a reusable large bucket
full of rubbish instead, they don't return it.
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  Why would you require that it be recycled into the same product

Yeah, a lot of single use plastics are for food use, and these cannot be recycled
into more plastic for food use due to possibility of contamination. Whereas they
can be recycled into plastics for other items.

I have no problem with cutting out things like bottled water and instead using
a reusable bottle. We had the bag tax come in a number of years ago. I live in
an area where we do not get wheelie bins, so I end up having to buy rubbish bags
now instead of reusing the ones that used to be free from the supermarkets. The
headline figures are always amazing when they say how many plastic bags have
been saved, yet I doubt it is accurate when you take account of the amount of
other bags bought to be used in their place. It is simply not possible to reuse
bin bags, and if we leave an alternative item such as a reusable large bucket
full of rubbish instead, they don't return it.

Interesting.
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In General, popsicle writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  Why would you require that it be recycled into the same product

Yeah, a lot of single use plastics are for food use, and these cannot be recycled
into more plastic for food use due to possibility of contamination. Whereas they
can be recycled into plastics for other items.

I have no problem with cutting out things like bottled water and instead using
a reusable bottle. We had the bag tax come in a number of years ago. I live in
an area where we do not get wheelie bins, so I end up having to buy rubbish bags
now instead of reusing the ones that used to be free from the supermarkets. The
headline figures are always amazing when they say how many plastic bags have
been saved, yet I doubt it is accurate when you take account of the amount of
other bags bought to be used in their place. It is simply not possible to reuse
bin bags, and if we leave an alternative item such as a reusable large bucket
full of rubbish instead, they don't return it.

Interesting.

From what I read, 40% of stuff dumped in landfills is paper products. In El Paso
plastic is recycled. I do not use a lot of plastic water bottles because of the
chemicals from the plastic that go into the water. Not really good for you.
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In General, sfzdk writes:
  In General, DrFille writes:
  
Thoughts? What can we do to help?
- Making a shop option for eco delivery where a minimum of plastic is used for
the internal packaging?

- Discuss and promote the idea of using far less plastic for deliveris? I doubt
very much some of the packing do any real good for the Lego anyways, the small
bags being more of a tradition.
- Dicususs differnt packaing material? Promote recykling?


Personally I really enjoy receiving an order of many small pieces well sorted
in countless small plastic bags. I then reuse those for storage of LEGO and all
sorts of other small items. I only really have to buy small plastic bags when
I'm not using BrickLink regularly. Thrash is sorted in my area so even when
I need to throw some out it's my impression they will be recycled.

If you don't mind receiving your orders unsorted in one big bag, by all means
request this to the seller and I'm sure most will be happy to oblige.

Cool, thank you for your honest input and thoughts.
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I like your initiative.

If a customer asks me, I will pack parts individual with new bags or however
he wants. Else I try to limit the use of plastic, and I reuse when I can.

Are YOU buying a lot of lego and get them with a lot of zip lock bags? Accumulate
the bags and sell them. If you have more than 100 zip lock bags, send me a pm
and I will buy them from you and reuse them
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  I like your initiative.

If a customer asks me, I will pack parts individual with new bags or however
he wants. Else I try to limit the use of plastic, and I reuse when I can.

Are YOU buying a lot of lego and get them with a lot of zip lock bags? Accumulate
the bags and sell them. If you have more than 100 zip lock bags, send me a pm
and I will buy them from you and reuse them

I liked to get my Lego in zip lock bags. I gave the bags to my wife so she could
put dinner leftovers in them. Save money where ever you can.
John P
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In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, Andrsv writes:
  I like your initiative.

If a customer asks me, I will pack parts individual with new bags or however
he wants. Else I try to limit the use of plastic, and I reuse when I can.

Are YOU buying a lot of lego and get them with a lot of zip lock bags? Accumulate
the bags and sell them. If you have more than 100 zip lock bags, send me a pm
and I will buy them from you and reuse them

I liked to get my Lego in zip lock bags. I gave the bags to my wife so she could
put dinner leftovers in them. Save money where ever you can.
John P

Your wife : https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?M=chef020&name=Chef%20-%20White%20Torso%20with%208%20Buttons,%20White%20Legs,%20Female&category=%5BTown%5D%5BCity%5D#T=P

Her dinner: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=60063-20&name=Advent%20Calendar%202014,%20City%20(Day%2019)%20Turkey%20Dinner&category=%5BHoliday%20&%20Event%5D%5BAdvent%20Sub-Set%5D%5BCity%5D#T=P

I have Scottish ancestors. I'm allowed to save money on anything 😛 even
if it helps nature 😳
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In General, Andrsv writes:
  In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, Andrsv writes:
  I like your initiative.

If a customer asks me, I will pack parts individual with new bags or however
he wants. Else I try to limit the use of plastic, and I reuse when I can.

Are YOU buying a lot of lego and get them with a lot of zip lock bags? Accumulate
the bags and sell them. If you have more than 100 zip lock bags, send me a pm
and I will buy them from you and reuse them

I liked to get my Lego in zip lock bags. I gave the bags to my wife so she could
put dinner leftovers in them. Save money where ever you can.
John P

Your wife : https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?M=chef020&name=Chef%20-%20White%20Torso%20with%208%20Buttons,%20White%20Legs,%20Female&category=%5BTown%5D%5BCity%5D#T=P

Her dinner: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=60063-20&name=Advent%20Calendar%202014,%20City%20(Day%2019)%20Turkey%20Dinner&category=%5BHoliday%20&%20Event%5D%5BAdvent%20Sub-Set%5D%5BCity%5D#T=P

I have Scottish ancestors. I'm allowed to save money on anything 😛 even
if it helps nature 😳

I also have Scottish ancestors, about a quarter part of me. My wife is a good
cook. She saves money where ever she can as she (and I) grew up rather poor.
Her father was a minister in Laredo and into Mexico and mine was a mechanic
in Detroit.
She still has those old habits, using coupons, buying on sale, and keeping stuff
until it is warn out or breaks before she buys another.
Only problem with your pictures is the turkey. We are vegetarians and have been
for over 47 years now.
But thank you for the smiles.

John P