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| | | Author: | SezaR  | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2019 18:05 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6349-1 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3641 Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small
* Delete 4 Part 4624 White Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm
* Delete 4 Part 4073 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1 Straight Side
* Add 2 Part 4073c01 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1, 2 on Sprue
* Change 4 Part White 4624c02 Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm with Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small (4624 / 3641) {Counterpart to Regular}
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| | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2019 18:08 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6349-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3641 Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small
* Delete 4 Part 4624 White Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm
* Delete 4 Part 4073 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1 Straight Side
* Add 2 Part 4073c01 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1, 2 on Sprue
* Change 4 Part White 4624c02 Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm with Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small (4624 / 3641) {Counterpart to Regular}
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Source one: photos 1 and 2
Source two: photos 3-6
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| | | | | | | Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2019 18:27 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6349-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3641 Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small
* Delete 4 Part 4624 White Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm
* Delete 4 Part 4073 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1 Straight Side
* Add 2 Part 4073c01 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1, 2 on Sprue
* Change 4 Part White 4624c02 Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm with Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small (4624 / 3641) {Counterpart to Regular}
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Source one: photos 1 and 2
Source two: photos 3-6
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The end result of the policy to remove individual parts from the inventories
and replace them with the sprue version is that valuable historic information
is being removed from the catalog.
These parts and sets are rarely found in their original state - sealed and/or
on the sprues - and everyone trying to work backward from a part in hand to discover
what sets contained it will no longer be able to do that without knowing Bricklink's
arcane and counter-intuitive catalog rules.
Also, because part colors are not "known" in the catalog unless the part is in
an inventory, it is possible that some parts in some colors will simply "disappear"
from the color search and browse functions, which only brings up "known" colors.
This significantly reduces the usefulness of the catalog.
I know I am flogging a dead horse and that the admins have already decreed that
it is more important to follow Lego's packaging whims than the needs of the
secondary Lego market. But it is a bad policy.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2019 19:15 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6349-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
| | The end result of the policy to remove individual parts from the inventories
and replace them with the sprue version is that valuable historic information
is being removed from the catalog.
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What historic information is being removed?
| | These parts and sets are rarely found in their original state - sealed and/or
on the sprues - and everyone trying to work backward from a part in hand to discover
what sets contained it will no longer be able to do that without knowing Bricklink's
arcane and counter-intuitive catalog rules.
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I don't understand. Any set that contains 4073c01 with come up in a search
of 4073, since 4073 is in the inventory of 4073c01. Did you know that?
| | Also, because part colors are not "known" in the catalog unless the part is in
an inventory, it is possible that some parts in some colors will simply "disappear"
from the color search and browse functions, which only brings up "known" colors.
This significantly reduces the usefulness of the catalog.
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What scenario are you describing? I think what you are describing is an impossible
extrapolation because you didn't know the previous point. Any color where
4073c01 is known, 4073 will automatically be known because any inventory with
4073c01 in it has 4073 in it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2019 19:19 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6349-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
| | The end result of the policy to remove individual parts from the inventories
and replace them with the sprue version is that valuable historic information
is being removed from the catalog.
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What historic information is being removed?
| | These parts and sets are rarely found in their original state - sealed and/or
on the sprues - and everyone trying to work backward from a part in hand to discover
what sets contained it will no longer be able to do that without knowing Bricklink's
arcane and counter-intuitive catalog rules.
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I don't understand. Any set that contains 4073c01 with come up in a search
of 4073, since 4073 is in the inventory of 4073c01. Did you know that?
| | Also, because part colors are not "known" in the catalog unless the part is in
an inventory, it is possible that some parts in some colors will simply "disappear"
from the color search and browse functions, which only brings up "known" colors.
This significantly reduces the usefulness of the catalog.
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What scenario are you describing? I think what you are describing is an impossible
extrapolation because you didn't know the previous point. Any color where
4073c01 is known, 4073 will automatically be known because any inventory with
4073c01 in it has 4073 in it.
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I did not know that. Thank you.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2019 20:33 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6349-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
| | The end result of the policy to remove individual parts from the inventories
and replace them with the sprue version is that valuable historic information
is being removed from the catalog.
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What historic information is being removed?
| | These parts and sets are rarely found in their original state - sealed and/or
on the sprues - and everyone trying to work backward from a part in hand to discover
what sets contained it will no longer be able to do that without knowing Bricklink's
arcane and counter-intuitive catalog rules.
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I don't understand. Any set that contains 4073c01 with come up in a search
of 4073, since 4073 is in the inventory of 4073c01. Did you know that?
| | Also, because part colors are not "known" in the catalog unless the part is in
an inventory, it is possible that some parts in some colors will simply "disappear"
from the color search and browse functions, which only brings up "known" colors.
This significantly reduces the usefulness of the catalog.
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What scenario are you describing? I think what you are describing is an impossible
extrapolation because you didn't know the previous point. Any color where
4073c01 is known, 4073 will automatically be known because any inventory with
4073c01 in it has 4073 in it.
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I did not know that. Thank you.
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My wrong assumption not withstanding, the historic information being removed
is the information on "extra" parts. Bricklink was really the only reliable source
of this information. That information is removed in many cases when parts on
sprues are moved from the "extra" section to the "regular" section.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2019 19:30 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6349-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3641 Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small
* Delete 4 Part 4624 White Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm
* Delete 4 Part 4073 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1 Straight Side
* Add 2 Part 4073c01 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1, 2 on Sprue
* Change 4 Part White 4624c02 Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm with Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small (4624 / 3641) {Counterpart to Regular}
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Source one: photos 1 and 2
Source two: photos 3-6
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The end result of the policy to remove individual parts from the inventories
and replace them with the sprue version is that valuable historic information
is being removed from the catalog.
These parts and sets are rarely found in their original state - sealed and/or
on the sprues - and everyone trying to work backward from a part in hand to discover
what sets contained it will no longer be able to do that without knowing Bricklink's
arcane and counter-intuitive catalog rules.
Also, because part colors are not "known" in the catalog unless the part is in
an inventory, it is possible that some parts in some colors will simply "disappear"
from the color search and browse functions, which only brings up "known" colors.
This significantly reduces the usefulness of the catalog.
I know I am flogging a dead horse and that the admins have already decreed that
it is more important to follow Lego's packaging whims than the needs of the
secondary Lego market. But it is a bad policy.
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I find this policy great, useful. We need to have consistency dealing with parts.
Some recent parts like
[p=6246c01]
appear with their sprues in the inventories, but I have seen any complaints about
them I guess because sellers still have them with their sprues for sale, then
shall we remove them from their inventories in, let's say 10 years, once
they become rare?
Collectors would prefer to see the inventory of a set in its original state.
I think bricklink would want to add another inventory for each set in which parts
appear as
they are once the model is built (i.e. no sprues, stickers applied so the parts
in the counterpart section would move to the regular section,...) This is easy
to be done, but the code is not yet implemented.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2019 20:27 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6349-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3641 Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small
* Delete 4 Part 4624 White Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm
* Delete 4 Part 4073 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1 Straight Side
* Add 2 Part 4073c01 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1, 2 on Sprue
* Change 4 Part White 4624c02 Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm with Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small (4624 / 3641) {Counterpart to Regular}
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Source one: photos 1 and 2
Source two: photos 3-6
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The end result of the policy to remove individual parts from the inventories
and replace them with the sprue version is that valuable historic information
is being removed from the catalog.
These parts and sets are rarely found in their original state - sealed and/or
on the sprues - and everyone trying to work backward from a part in hand to discover
what sets contained it will no longer be able to do that without knowing Bricklink's
arcane and counter-intuitive catalog rules.
Also, because part colors are not "known" in the catalog unless the part is in
an inventory, it is possible that some parts in some colors will simply "disappear"
from the color search and browse functions, which only brings up "known" colors.
This significantly reduces the usefulness of the catalog.
I know I am flogging a dead horse and that the admins have already decreed that
it is more important to follow Lego's packaging whims than the needs of the
secondary Lego market. But it is a bad policy.
|
I find this policy great, useful. We need to have consistency dealing with parts.
Some recent parts like
[p=6246c01]
appear with their sprues in the inventories, but I have seen any complaints about
them I guess because sellers still have them with their sprues for sale, then
shall we remove them from their inventories in, let's say 10 years, once
they become rare?
Collectors would prefer to see the inventory of a set in its original state.
I think bricklink would want to add another inventory for each set in which parts
appear as
they are once the model is built (i.e. no sprues, stickers applied so the parts
in the counterpart section would move to the regular section,...) This is easy
to be done, but the code is not yet implemented.
|
The previous method served both purposes at once. It had all the parts listed
that came in the box, as well as a section that listed just the parts used in
the model. This policy removes that information and does not replace it with
anything. Yes, if the code were updated it would be possible to get that information
back, but it has not been updated and there seem to be little likelihood that
it will be. I do not think we should remove information and functionality on
the promise of future improvements.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2019 20:55 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6349-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3641 Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small
* Delete 4 Part 4624 White Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm
* Delete 4 Part 4073 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1 Straight Side
* Add 2 Part 4073c01 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1, 2 on Sprue
* Change 4 Part White 4624c02 Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm with Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small (4624 / 3641) {Counterpart to Regular}
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Source one: photos 1 and 2
Source two: photos 3-6
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The end result of the policy to remove individual parts from the inventories
and replace them with the sprue version is that valuable historic information
is being removed from the catalog.
These parts and sets are rarely found in their original state - sealed and/or
on the sprues - and everyone trying to work backward from a part in hand to discover
what sets contained it will no longer be able to do that without knowing Bricklink's
arcane and counter-intuitive catalog rules.
Also, because part colors are not "known" in the catalog unless the part is in
an inventory, it is possible that some parts in some colors will simply "disappear"
from the color search and browse functions, which only brings up "known" colors.
This significantly reduces the usefulness of the catalog.
I know I am flogging a dead horse and that the admins have already decreed that
it is more important to follow Lego's packaging whims than the needs of the
secondary Lego market. But it is a bad policy.
|
I find this policy great, useful. We need to have consistency dealing with parts.
Some recent parts like
[p=6246c01]
appear with their sprues in the inventories, but I have seen any complaints about
them I guess because sellers still have them with their sprues for sale, then
shall we remove them from their inventories in, let's say 10 years, once
they become rare?
Collectors would prefer to see the inventory of a set in its original state.
I think bricklink would want to add another inventory for each set in which parts
appear as
they are once the model is built (i.e. no sprues, stickers applied so the parts
in the counterpart section would move to the regular section,...) This is easy
to be done, but the code is not yet implemented.
|
The previous method served both purposes at once. It had all the parts listed
that came in the box, as well as a section that listed just the parts used in
the model. This policy removes that information and does not replace it with
anything. Yes, if the code were updated it would be possible to get that information
back, but it has not been updated and there seem to be little likelihood that
it will be. I do not think we should remove information and functionality on
the promise of future improvements.
|
I find the consistency very important. We cannot have one part with sprue but
the other not, in that case how can we decide what should be presented in the
inventories and what not? Then that would depend on who the inventory admins
are at that moment and what they prefer together with other factors,...
No information is removed. Yes, the information is not presented on the page
of inventory, but whenever the code is implemented and we can have two pages
for each inventory (one for initial state, and one for once the model is built),
then we can use the historic information available (together with all evidence,
discussions) at the bottom of each inventory. For this set, it is here:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=6349-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
(sorry, but I am not 100% sure if you know this)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Jun 21, 2019 21:02 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6349-1 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3641 Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small
* Delete 4 Part 4624 White Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm
* Delete 4 Part 4073 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1 Straight Side
* Add 2 Part 4073c01 Yellow Plate, Round 1 x 1, 2 on Sprue
* Change 4 Part White 4624c02 Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm with Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small (4624 / 3641) {Counterpart to Regular}
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Source one: photos 1 and 2
Source two: photos 3-6
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The end result of the policy to remove individual parts from the inventories
and replace them with the sprue version is that valuable historic information
is being removed from the catalog.
These parts and sets are rarely found in their original state - sealed and/or
on the sprues - and everyone trying to work backward from a part in hand to discover
what sets contained it will no longer be able to do that without knowing Bricklink's
arcane and counter-intuitive catalog rules.
Also, because part colors are not "known" in the catalog unless the part is in
an inventory, it is possible that some parts in some colors will simply "disappear"
from the color search and browse functions, which only brings up "known" colors.
This significantly reduces the usefulness of the catalog.
I know I am flogging a dead horse and that the admins have already decreed that
it is more important to follow Lego's packaging whims than the needs of the
secondary Lego market. But it is a bad policy.
|
I find this policy great, useful. We need to have consistency dealing with parts.
Some recent parts like
[p=6246c01]
appear with their sprues in the inventories, but I have seen any complaints about
them I guess because sellers still have them with their sprues for sale, then
shall we remove them from their inventories in, let's say 10 years, once
they become rare?
Collectors would prefer to see the inventory of a set in its original state.
I think bricklink would want to add another inventory for each set in which parts
appear as
they are once the model is built (i.e. no sprues, stickers applied so the parts
in the counterpart section would move to the regular section,...) This is easy
to be done, but the code is not yet implemented.
|
The previous method served both purposes at once. It had all the parts listed
that came in the box, as well as a section that listed just the parts used in
the model. This policy removes that information and does not replace it with
anything. Yes, if the code were updated it would be possible to get that information
back, but it has not been updated and there seem to be little likelihood that
it will be. I do not think we should remove information and functionality on
the promise of future improvements.
|
I find the consistency very important. We cannot have one part with sprue but
the other not, in that case how can we decide what should be presented in the
inventories and what not? Then that would depend on who the inventory admins
are at that moment and what they prefer together with other factors,...
No information is removed. Yes, the information is not presented on the page
of inventory, but whenever the code is implemented and we can have two pages
for each inventory (one for initial state, and one for once the model is built),
then we can use the historic information available (together with all evidence,
discussions) at the bottom of each inventory. For this set, it is here:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogInvChangeItem.asp?itemType=S&itemNo=6349-1&viewDate=Y&viewStatus=1
(sorry, but I am not 100% sure if you know this)
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Yes, I know about the change logs, but they are usually used to correct errors.
There is no indication that a change was made because there was an error or just
a change in policy.
The consistency argument is just begging the question. It simply says if we change
on we should change them all, but ignores the question of whether they should
be changed in the first place.
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