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| | | Author: | brikomania  | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 06:29 | | Subject: | Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 331 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 06:34 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 95 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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The thin / thick thing is described in the notes, and mm dimensions given. Personally,
the difference between the old and new style (with/without the reinforcement)
is enough, but I I can understand why the different variants are there.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 07:48 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
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Three variants. Don’t exaggerate, you’re showing them 
* | | 3307 Arch 1 x 6 x 2 - Thick Top with Reinforced Underside
Parts: Arch |
* | | 15254 Arch 1 x 6 x 2 - Medium Thick Top without Reinforced Underside
Parts: Arch |
* | | 12939 Arch 1 x 6 x 2 - Thin Top without Reinforced Underside
Parts: Arch |
| | | | I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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The thin / thick thing is described in the notes, and mm dimensions given. Personally,
the difference between the old and new style (with/without the reinforcement)
is enough, but I I can understand why the different variants are there.
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Yes, the variants are important:
1. You can fit some parts under the thin and medium thick parts that you can’t
fit under the thick one. E.g.
2. Collectors find it very important to get the right variant.
The odd part here would be the thin one: it was short lived (a year). Too fragile?
Too thin (it leaves a noticeable gap)?
Anyway, it’s here and came before the medium thick and was already in the catalogue
(2013) when the medium thick version was spotted / included in the catalogue
(2016).
There was no reason to merge thin and medium thick then and there’s no much reason
to do it now as we would still need to keep the old one.
Wouldn’t it be as confusing to have a “thick” version and “more or less thin”
one?
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| | | | | Author: | dearlydeparted | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 08:02 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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To me, yes. I have never been able visually to distinguish the difference between
the two without reinforcement - medium think - thin. I just don't see it,
try as I might.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 08:08 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, dearlydeparted writes:
| | In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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To me, yes. I have never been able visually to distinguish the difference between
the two without reinforcement - medium think - thin. I just don't see it,
try as I might.
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You can always check mold number molded on the part's underside, magnifying
glass maybe needed.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 10:27 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, dearlydeparted writes:
| | In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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To me, yes. I have never been able visually to distinguish the difference between
the two without reinforcement - medium think - thin. I just don't see it,
try as I might.
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You can always check mold number molded on the part's underside, magnifying
glass maybe needed.
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Or a light piped thingamajig if you happen to be an entomologist (which is kind
of cheating).
I thought about buying an otoscope the other day so I could see the part number
on the giraffe guy's hat. Then I thought that might be a sign of obsession.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 10:36 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, dearlydeparted writes:
| | In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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To me, yes. I have never been able visually to distinguish the difference between
the two without reinforcement - medium think - thin. I just don't see it,
try as I might.
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You can always check mold number molded on the part's underside, magnifying
glass maybe needed.
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Or a light piped thingamajig if you happen to be an entomologist (which is kind
of cheating).
I thought about buying an otoscope the other day so I could see the part number
on the giraffe guy's hat. Then I thought that might be a sign of obsession.
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but I finally was able to read this mold number
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, dearlydeparted writes:
| | In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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To me, yes. I have never been able visually to distinguish the difference between
the two without reinforcement - medium think - thin. I just don't see it,
try as I might.
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You can always check mold number molded on the part's underside, magnifying
glass maybe needed.
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Or a light piped thingamajig if you happen to be an entomologist (which is kind
of cheating).
I thought about buying an otoscope the other day so I could see the part number
on the giraffe guy's hat. Then I thought that might be a sign of obsession.
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but I finally was able to read this mold number
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Cheater
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | dcarmine | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 22:22 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, dearlydeparted writes:
| | In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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To me, yes. I have never been able visually to distinguish the difference between
the two without reinforcement - medium think - thin. I just don't see it,
try as I might.
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You can always check mold number molded on the part's underside, magnifying
glass maybe needed.
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Or a light piped thingamajig if you happen to be an entomologist (which is kind
of cheating).
I thought about buying an otoscope the other day so I could see the part number
on the giraffe guy's hat. Then I thought that might be a sign of obsession.
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but I finally was able to read this mold number
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Cheater
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I have a loop in every room of my house!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2019 09:16 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, dcarmine writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, dearlydeparted writes:
| | In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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To me, yes. I have never been able visually to distinguish the difference between
the two without reinforcement - medium think - thin. I just don't see it,
try as I might.
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You can always check mold number molded on the part's underside, magnifying
glass maybe needed.
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Or a light piped thingamajig if you happen to be an entomologist (which is kind
of cheating).
I thought about buying an otoscope the other day so I could see the part number
on the giraffe guy's hat. Then I thought that might be a sign of obsession.
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but I finally was able to read this mold number
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Cheater
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I have a loop in every room of my house!
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I don't know what that means.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2019 10:36 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | I have a loop in every room of my house!
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I don't know what that means.
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Loupe, not loop.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 14, 2019 10:51 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mfav writes:
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I don't know what that means.
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Loupe, not loop.
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Ah, that makes more sense. I was unfamiliar with the word, but I looked it up.
I have a magnifier with a light that gets me part numbers 98% of the time, but
Hygrotus' decision to become an entomologist and probably a bunch of grad
school and all just so he would have equipment to get the other 2% just seems
like an overreaction to the situation.
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 08:38 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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There is a reason for the multiple entries, and that reason is because LEGO made
three variations of that part with different purposes in mind for each one. Some
of the builds that use one variation of the arch cannot be built using either
of the other two.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 10:28 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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It would be nice if the catalog had the sophistication to have a metapart that
would collect listings of all three in a search if someone really didn't
care which.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 11:32 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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It would be nice if the catalog had the sophistication to have a metapart that
would collect listings of all three in a search if someone really didn't
care which.
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I guess it does in a way as you can search for "arch 1 x 6 x 2 -curved -pattern"
if you don't care which one you get, but it only really works for searches
and not wants lists. So yes having a metadata tag to link them would be good.
Same for a number of other parts with minor variations that may be inconsequential
for some people but important for others.
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| | | | | | | Author: | crazylegoman | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 23:08 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| YES YES YES YES YES!
This is the #1 upgrade I would want from Bricklink.
David
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Feb 13, 2019 11:41 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
| | YES YES YES YES YES!
This is the #1 upgrade I would want from Bricklink.
David
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I very much agree. This abiguity should be part of both the items for sale (sellers
not wanting to bother to distinguish) and the wanted lists (buyers not caring
whether they get the on or the other variety).
Taken a bit further, for the wanted lists this might take the form of 'any
shade of green', 'a brick of width 2' or 'the a or c variety
of 4085'.
Wishful thinking, but if this #1 upgrade is implemented in Bricklink XL, I am
all for it, despite whatever changes they might make to the interface.
Hans-Peter
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| | | | | Author: | brikomania | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 13:06 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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Thank you for the explanations. I agree that some times, or for some people it
can be useful, but i believe that most of the time it isn't. As suggested,
I think that there should be an option to do a general search for wantlists or
in store, choose if you care about variants or not.
Many buyers ask if i have a part, for example, a 1 x 1 with clip, and I do, but
they had the O clip in their wanted lists, and i had the U clip, but they didn't
care for either.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 14:05 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brikomania writes:
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Thank you for the explanations. I agree that some times, or for some people it
can be useful, but i believe that most of the time it isn't. As suggested,
I think that there should be an option to do a general search for wantlists or
in store, choose if you care about variants or not.
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The database isn’t made for this, and the only way now is to have “undetermined”
variants, which just adds another variant, fouls the price guide, and makes half
the buyers unhappy.
What would be nice would be “virtual undetermined parts,” and inventories and
sellers should still have to use the determined variants but searches and WLs
wouldn’t.
(There might still be problems though. Say, a buyer parts out a set into a WL,
they are asked if they allow other variants, they accept because they think it
will be cheaper and easier to fullfil, but the set really can only be built with
the one variant  )
But that means modifying the database and the site too deeply, at least for now….
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | mhortar | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 14:33 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
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(There might still be problems though. Say, a buyer parts out a set into a WL,
they are asked if they allow other variants, they accept because they think it
will be cheaper and easier to fullfil, but the set really can only be built with
the one variant )
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This part is the one that would potentially cause issues. Things like the variations
of 3933/3934 that can cause parts to physically not attach in some scenarios.
That's the first I can think of just because I've experienced it in the
past.
Josh
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| | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2019 23:14 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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Well, I personally don't care too much for mocs, but those restoring vintage
sets for themselves or customers DO care about variants.
Clips have a bunch as well.
I'm still learning them all. Its interesting, at minimum, and sometimes a
pain
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| | | | | Author: | rosies | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2019 20:13 | | Subject: | Re: Aren't these differences ridiculous? | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Actually,
The powers that be will be removing 3 of them from the catalogue in a few weeks.
In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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| In Catalog, rosies writes:
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The powers that be will be removing 3 of them from the catalogue in a few weeks.
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Is that so? Please elaborate.
| | In Catalog, brikomania writes:
| | I really like the extensive catalog, and think that most of the differences (like
the jumpers or tiles with groove, etc) are really useful.
But when you get to things like this, with a 1 x 2 x 6 arch, having something
like 4 variants, doesn't it make it too hard for sellers AND buyers?
I get the raised arch difference, that is notable, but this thin/thick thing?
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