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| | | Author: | StormChaser  | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 15:23 | | Subject: | Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 304 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| We have completed the first catalog project and it was moved down and out:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2473
Work has now begun on the second project, which is retitling all of the minifigures
to include the number 7 in the title (this number indicates the optimal number
for a group photograph and is necessary for the convenience of people who photograph
groups of LEGO minifigures).
That is only a little joke. We're actually doing something more controversial:
categorizing the 700+ items which have not yet been categorized. These items
are currently categorized as (Other), meaning they are not categorized.
I have given this some thought (about ten minutes worth) and decided that there
is no need to worry about how many categories we create. The time for worrying
about that has long passed. If we're honest with ourselves, the categories
and sub-categories page for sets is huge and the parts category list is also
huge. At some point BrickLink may code main menus for classes of items, but
until then I'm not going to concern myself with trying to limit categories
to a manageable number. The time to worry passed when you could no longer view
them on a single page.
I'm going to try to move as many items as possible into existing categories,
but if new categories must be created, then so be it.
Here's the plan: I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment. These changes will not make everyone happy and not every suggestion
can be honored, but I will take into consideration everyone's thoughts about
the changes I'm suggesting.
Once we reach a reasonable consensus, then I'll start moving stuff with a
goal of clearing out (Other) items within one month. I plan to open a separate
forum thread which people should not comment on to document changes which
are actually made for easy reference by buyers and sellers.
If anyone objects to moving these things, please remember that they are not categorized
at all right now. Other is not a category and this change, although it will
take adjusting to, is a needed and requested improvement.
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| | | | | Author: | Golbsbricks | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 15:55 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | We have completed the first catalog project and it was moved down and out:
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You're a machine, SC
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 16:19 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's the plan: I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment.
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If you do have a comment/suggestion on where these parts are going, please suggest
an alternative location. Before you comment, look at the situation carefully
and present a good argument about why the proposed category is inappropriate.
Parts:
There are 98 Other parts. Going in order by the standard way of displaying these
(Item Name, Up):
Two babies - move to minifigures
Ball - create new category titled Ball
Beehive - move to Cone
Han Solo in Carbonite - move to Minifigure
BrickHeadz glasses - move to Bar
Chains - create new category titled Chain
Chest armor - move to Large Figure Part
Finials - move to new Ball category
Hand, Mechanical - move to Large Figure Part
Human Tools - create new category titled Accessory, Human Tool
Infinity Stones - move to Minifigure, Utensil
Light Cover - move to Cone
Obscure Item - leave in other
Slides - create new category titled Slide
Power Bursts - move to Minifigure, Utensil
Rings - create new category titled Ring
Rip Cords - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
Rope Bridge - move to Stairs
Rotor, Spinjitzu - move to Propeller
Shaft Clip - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
Skull - move to Rock
Spike - move to Minifigure, Utensil
Spiral Pole - move to Hose
Spring - create new category titled Spring (some of these in Technic which could
be moved)
Spring Shooter - move to Brick, Modified
Star Wars Multipack - move to Minifigure, Utensil
Tassel - move to Minifigure, Utensil
Waves - create new category titled Wave
Wing / Sail Holder - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
Wing - move to Wing
Zipline - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
Okay, that's all the parts. Let's discuss it.
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| | | | | | | Author: | mhortar | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 16:39 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's the plan: I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment.
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If you do have a comment/suggestion on where these parts are going, please suggest
an alternative location. Before you comment, look at the situation carefully
and present a good argument about why the proposed category is inappropriate.
Parts:
Beehive - move to Cone
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I think 'Animal - Air' might be better for this, but that's just
a thought.
| | Spiral Pole - move to Hose
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My first thought on this was that it should go to Axle, but Hose is probably
a better fit.
| | Waves - create new category titled Wave
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This one has me conflicted. There's a number of these Wave items that should
be in 'Minfig - Utensil' but others should not. Is it better to keep
them all together in a new category, or split them based on common usage?
Josh
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 16:42 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's the plan: I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment.
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If you do have a comment/suggestion on where these parts are going, please suggest
an alternative location. Before you comment, look at the situation carefully
and present a good argument about why the proposed category is inappropriate.
Parts:
Beehive - move to Cone
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I think 'Animal - Air' might be better for this, but that's just
a thought.
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Or Minifigure, Utensil
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My first thought on this was that it should go to Axle, but Hose is probably
a better fit.
| | Waves - create new category titled Wave
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This one has me conflicted. There's a number of these Wave items that should
be in 'Minfig - Utensil' but others should not. Is it better to keep
them all together in a new category, or split them based on common usage?
Josh
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 16:46 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | I think 'Animal - Air' might be better for this, but that's just
a thought.
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Or Minifigure, Utensil
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I considered both of those categories, but I also thought about people who find
this part and have no idea what it is. Where would they look if they didn't
know it was supposed to be a beehive? I think they'd look for a cone, which
is why I ended up there.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | brikomania | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 20:35 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | I think 'Animal - Air' might be better for this, but that's just
a thought.
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Or Minifigure, Utensil
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I considered both of those categories, but I also thought about people who find
this part and have no idea what it is. Where would they look if they didn't
know it was supposed to be a beehive? I think they'd look for a cone, which
is why I ended up there.
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I agree with this. I think we should look at parts, and modify them as LEGO uses
them. If LEGO used this exclusively as a beehive, it should be that, but seeing
that now it has more uses (as food), I think some sort of modified cone would
be a more generic name for this
Same goes for the hilt. The standard hilt is only used as a minifig hilt, right?
However that hilt-looking bar is used for other things so it makes sense for
it to be a bar.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 21:00 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, brikomania writes:
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Same goes for the hilt. The standard hilt is only used as a minifig hilt, right?
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Wrong. It’s used for many things, just look at the pictures of the sets it has
been used this year alone: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=64567&in=S&itemYear=2018&ov=Y
| | However that hilt-looking bar is used for other things so it makes sense for
it to be a bar.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 16:58 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's the plan: I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment.
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If you do have a comment/suggestion on where these parts are going, please suggest
an alternative location. Before you comment, look at the situation carefully
and present a good argument about why the proposed category is inappropriate.
Parts:
Beehive - move to Cone
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I think 'Animal - Air' might be better for this, but that's just
a thought.
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Or Minifigure, Utensil
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Could be if it was beehive made by human like this on photo. This one is definitly
made by bees themselves.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 17:42 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's the plan: I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment.
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If you do have a comment/suggestion on where these parts are going, please suggest
an alternative location. Before you comment, look at the situation carefully
and present a good argument about why the proposed category is inappropriate.
Parts:
Beehive - move to Cone
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I think 'Animal - Air' might be better for this, but that's just
a thought.
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Or Minifigure, Utensil
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Could be if it was beehive made by human like this on photo. This one is definitly
made by bees themselves.
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To me, it looks most like something that Disney uses in their cartoons. I have
never seen a natural bee colony looking like these.
I assumed that they were based on some idea of the older straw hives mixed with
a wasp nest. If there is any species building these, I'd like to see an image
Attached images:
- straw beehive
- honeybee colony
- wasp nest
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 17:46 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's the plan: I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment.
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If you do have a comment/suggestion on where these parts are going, please suggest
an alternative location. Before you comment, look at the situation carefully
and present a good argument about why the proposed category is inappropriate.
Parts:
Beehive - move to Cone
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I think 'Animal - Air' might be better for this, but that's just
a thought.
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Or Minifigure, Utensil
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Could be if it was beehive made by human like this on photo. This one is definitly
made by bees themselves.
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To me, it looks most like something that Disney uses in their cartoons. I have
never seen a natural bee colony looking like these.
I assumed that they were based on some idea of the older straw hives mixed with
a wasp nest. If there is any species building these, I'd like to see an image
Attached images:
- straw beehive
- honeybee colony
- wasp
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LEGO calls part 35574 "MINI HAT, NO. 54" so that would be Minifigure, Headgear
We might need to rename the part after its completely different use in set 10261-1
* | | 35574 Cone 2 x 2 x 1 2/3 with Stacked Rings (Beehive / Cotton Candy)
Parts: Cone |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 17:58 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | We might need to rename the part after its completely different use in set 10261-1
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Thanks for mentioning this - I had forgotten about it. This settles it for me.
The part is a cone.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 19:41 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's the plan: I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment.
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If you do have a comment/suggestion on where these parts are going, please suggest
an alternative location. Before you comment, look at the situation carefully
and present a good argument about why the proposed category is inappropriate.
Parts:
Beehive - move to Cone
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I think 'Animal - Air' might be better for this, but that's just
a thought.
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Or Minifigure, Utensil
| | | | Spiral Pole - move to Hose
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My first thought on this was that it should go to Axle, but Hose is probably
a better fit.
| | Waves - create new category titled Wave
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This one has me conflicted. There's a number of these Wave items that should
be in 'Minfig - Utensil' but others should not. Is it better to keep
them all together in a new category, or split them based on common usage?
Josh
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Beehive might be good for Minifigure, Utsensil... or perhaps food(?). It's
also used as cotton candy I think.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 16:48 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | I think 'Animal - Air' might be better for this, but that's just
a thought.
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Definitly not an animal, entomologist says it to you  it is only bees home
Animal, Utensil more likley 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 17:32 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | | | Waves - create new category titled Wave
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This one has me conflicted. There's a number of these Wave items that should
be in 'Minfig - Utensil' but others should not. Is it better to keep
them all together in a new category, or split them based on common usage?
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Parts should be cataloged according to what they look like. Experienced BL users
will locate a part regardless of where you put it, but catalog categories ate
most useful for novice users. So, if we have a bunch of waves, put them in a
“wave” category (or something that logically includes waves). Don’t put them
in categories according to usage. For instance, this guy’s usage was to build
a palm tree - good luck to new users locating it in the catalog when they have
found one in a pile of parts.
* | | 2566 Bar 1.2L with Top Stud and 4 Bar Arms Up (Palm Tree Top)
Parts: Bar |
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 09:22 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | | | Waves - create new category titled Wave
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This one has me conflicted. There's a number of these Wave items that should
be in 'Minfig - Utensil' but others should not. Is it better to keep
them all together in a new category, or split them based on common usage?
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Parts should be cataloged according to what they look like. Experienced BL users
will locate a part regardless of where you put it, but catalog categories ate
most useful for novice users. So, if we have a bunch of waves, put them in a
“wave” category (or something that logically includes waves). Don’t put them
in categories according to usage. For instance, this guy’s usage was to build
a palm tree - good luck to new users locating it in the catalog when they have
found one in a pile of parts.
* | | 2566 Bar 1.2L with Top Stud and 4 Bar Arms Up (Palm Tree Top)
Parts: Bar |
Niek.
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Yep, that part needs to go in the Bar category.
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 16:54 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Han Solo in Carbonite - move to Minifigure
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Vote yes, frozen or not he is still Han Solo
| | Star Wars Multipack - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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Yes definitly.
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| | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 17:18 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Parts:
There are 98 Other parts. Going in order by the standard way of displaying these
(Item Name, Up):
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Why not Animal, Accessory (Bee-house same as the spider webs, which is technically
a spider house)?
Yes Thank you
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| | | | | | | Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 17:26 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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I don't know if the DB in it's current state can handle it, but this
and select other items like the Pin Hinges being recently discussed...I'd
like to see these types of things listed in two (or more, if applicable) categories.
It is a hinge. It is a pin. The beehive could be considered a cone and could
be considered for air animal. Or, in my mind a new "Insect" or "Bug" category.
Anyway, the main point is that I believe things should be found...or be able
to be found...in all the reasonably appropriate places one might look for them.
| | Han Solo in Carbonite - move to Minifigure
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Container (similar to Sarcophagi)
| | Light Cover - move to Cone
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Bricks, round
| | Slides - create new category titled Slide
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new category Chutes and Ladders...or something similarly comprehensive to accommodate
stairs, bridges, conveyors, and similar.
| | Power Bursts - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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or Minifig, Weapon
| | Rope Bridge - move to Stairs
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See Slides above
| | Rotor, Spinjitzu - move to Propeller
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probably another candidate for multi-category
new Ornamental Brick category for this, the Lion-head, cornices, and similar
| | Spike - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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another multi-category item. I'd see it as a tooth or claw...
| | Spring Shooter - move to Brick, Modified
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I'd put it wherever the cannons are...along with springs as second category...
| | Star Wars Multipack - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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another multi-category candidate...
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 17:30 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mfav writes:
| | I don't know if the DB in it's current state can handle it, but this
and select other items like the Pin Hinges being recently discussed...I'd
like to see these types of things listed in two (or more, if applicable) categories.
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That is what the tag system is for if/when we ever get it. Thanks for your ideas
- I liked some of them better than mine and may use them.
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| | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 17:49 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Chains - create new category titled Chain
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Yes Thank you
Maybe better to move this to some Ornamental category, in which you could also
place those Lion Heads and the Ornamental Fish
| | Spike - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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Or Minifigure, Weapon rather?
| | Star Wars Multipack - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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If all of the parts in this is not on a sprue, would it not do better as a subset?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 17:59 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, bje writes:
| | If all of the parts in this is not on a sprue, would it not do better as a subset?
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The parts are not on a sprue. Clarify what you mean by subset, please.
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| | | | | | | Author: | leopard37 | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 18:30 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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I believe Animal, Accessory is more appropriate, that's where the spider
webs are...
| | Han Solo in Carbonite - move to Minifigure
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It is very similar to this part:
However I understand that it is not a lid for a coffin. Perhaps the coffin lid
should also go to Minifigure.
| | Light Cover - move to Cone
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I propose Bar instead of Cone. More similar parts and no real cone shape.
| | Spike - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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Please consider Minifigure, Weapon.
| | Waves - create new category titled Wave
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I find it interesting that most waves are flames...
Also the first wave (zigzag) should be a Minifig, Weapon.
Tyson.
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| | | | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 19:40 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's the plan: I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment.
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If you do have a comment/suggestion on where these parts are going, please suggest
an alternative location. Before you comment, look at the situation carefully
and present a good argument about why the proposed category is inappropriate.
Parts:
There are 98 Other parts. Going in order by the standard way of displaying these
(Item Name, Up):
Two babies - move to minifigures
Ball - create new category titled Ball
Beehive - move to Cone
Han Solo in Carbonite - move to Minifigure
BrickHeadz glasses - move to Bar
Chains - create new category titled Chain
Chest armor - move to Large Figure Part
Finials - move to new Ball category
Hand, Mechanical - move to Large Figure Part
Human Tools - create new category titled Accessory, Human Tool
Infinity Stones - move to Minifigure, Utensil
Light Cover - move to Cone
Obscure Item - leave in other
Slides - create new category titled Slide
Power Bursts - move to Minifigure, Utensil
Rings - create new category titled Ring
Rip Cords - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
Rope Bridge - move to Stairs
Rotor, Spinjitzu - move to Propeller
Shaft Clip - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
Skull - move to Rock
Spike - move to Minifigure, Utensil
Spiral Pole - move to Hose
Spring - create new category titled Spring (some of these in Technic which could
be moved)
Spring Shooter - move to Brick, Modified
Star Wars Multipack - move to Minifigure, Utensil
Tassel - move to Minifigure, Utensil
Waves - create new category titled Wave
Wing / Sail Holder - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
Wing - move to Wing
Zipline - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
Okay, that's all the parts. Let's discuss it.
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Obscure item is technically an electric wire part. You could move it there.
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| | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 19:59 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| My suggestions:
Power Bursts - Minifig, Weapon
Spike - Minifig, Weapon
Spring Shooter - New category: "Shooters"/"Launchers"
"Wave Rounded Energy (Power Blast) with Bar Handle" - Either Minifig, Weapon
or the above "Shooters" category
Star Wars Multipack - New category: "Minifigure Accessory Multipacks"
Chains can just go in Minifig, Utensil
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| | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 21:30 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Zipline - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
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I don't think this zipline is for people. It is either for minifigs or used
as a very flexible hose.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 22:05 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | I don't think this zipline is for people. It is either for minifigs or used
as a very flexible hose.
Jen
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Ah, yes. Thanks for catching that.
I'll look at it again.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 22:26 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| [StormChaser] writes:
| | Tassel - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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I would suggest moving this to the new category 'Chain'. The more we
move to 'Minifig, Utensil' the more it becomes another other category.
It has a single chain link anyway.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 22:48 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| [StormChaser] writes:
| | Power Bursts - move to Minifigure, Utensil
Spring Shooter - move to Brick, Modified
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I kinda' like [DeLuca]'s idea of a new category called 'Shooter'
or 'Launcher' and put the Power Bursts and Spring Shooter in there.
Then as part of the 'Part Reclassification Project' move the cannons;
disc and disc launchers [53990*]; dart [x1774cx1]; the "Mini Blaster / Shooter"
parts; "Rapid Shooter" parts (+ 15392); out of 'Minifig, Weapon' into
this new category. Then the "Spring Shooter Dart" parts from 'Bar'.
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| | | | | | | Author: | novabrick | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 03:55 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 190 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
Obscure Item - leave in other
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this one is actually the underside of the endpieces of wires like
I took a few of those apart and found this really obscure part. Actually it's
kinda useless but I guess we keep it for traditon sake. We could move it to wire
& connector though.
Christian
novabriok-team
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 08:57 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Robert -
I have not read through any of the other responses in this thread yet, so here
is my initial thoughts on your suggestions below.
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | If you do have a comment/suggestion on where these parts are going, please suggest
an alternative location. Before you comment, look at the situation carefully
and present a good argument about why the proposed category is inappropriate.
Parts:
There are 98 Other parts. Going in order by the standard way of displaying these
(Item Name, Up):
Two babies - move to minifigures
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I am fine with this.
| | Ball - create new category titled Ball
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Sounds good. This category could be used for balls from other categories.
Not sure about this one. I added this to the catalog, and there really was no
good place for it. So far, it was used as a beehive and cotton candy, I think.
Once again, I have no idea where a beehive fits well, and cotton candy could
lead it to be placed in the Food & Drink category. I think it will be used for
more than those two things, though, so limiting it to one place by a certain
use for the piece would not be ideal. I guess that is why calling it a "beehive"
is not ideal. Maybe Cone is the right place for it when we go with the piece's
basic shape and function.
| | Han Solo in Carbonite - move to Minifigure
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Sounds OK. I could see it being put into the Minifig, Utensil, Decorated category,
also.
| | BrickHeadz glasses - move to Bar
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Nope. There is nothing bar-like about it. It could be placed into a new "Ring"
category, since I know there are others that could go into that category. I could
also see it being placed into the Tile, Modified category as a "Tile, Modified
1 x 1 with 2 Rings" since it is basically just that. However, the other set of
BrickHeadz glasses are already in the Bar category, so an inconsistency would
arise between the two parts. Maybe both should be considered modified tiles.
| | Chains - create new category titled Chain
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Yes. This makes perfect sense.
| | Chest armor - move to Large Figure Part
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The only problem I have with this is that this part was not used to make any
large figures. It was only used to make mechs. I will need to give this one some
more thought.
| | Finials - move to new Ball category
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Hmmmm. I don't know. The one finial has *only* been used to represent a minifig
part, so right now that one could go into the Minifig, Body Part category with
the only caveat being that a plain version may need to be recategorized. The
other finial could go into the Plate, Round category since it is basically just
a 1x1 round plate with a ball on top.
| | Hand, Mechanical - move to Large Figure Part
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I had a hard time trying to figure out where this part went when I added it to
the catalog. Right now, my thoughts on it are similar to the chest armor from
above. It was only used to make one mech so far.
| | Human Tools - create new category titled Accessory, Human Tool
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Sounds good. I am not sure about the exact name for the category, but a new category
is definitely needed for these.
| | Infinity Stones - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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They are not a utensil used by minifigs. They are more like an embellishment
that can be used in anything that uses the little pin. I think the Rock category
may be a possible location for these.
| | Light Cover - move to Cone
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Nope. It's only connection point is a bar, so Bar would be better.
| | Obscure Item - leave in other
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Hard to argue with this one.
| | Slides - create new category titled Slide
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Yes. This makes perfect sense.
| | Power Bursts - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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This one just does not feel right, either. They aren't weapons, and they
aren't utensils. Some are bar-like. Some are shield-like. Some look like
they belong in a Wave/Fire category. This one is tough.
| | Rings - create new category titled Ring
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Yes. This makes perfect sense.
| | Rip Cords - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
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I can see how this makes sense, but I am not sure. I would be fine with this
change, though.
| | Rope Bridge - move to Stairs
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This has nothing to do with stairs, so that category does not seem appropriate
at all. I can't think of anywhere it would fit except a new Bridge category.
| | Rotor, Spinjitzu - move to Propeller
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Yep. I was going to put in a request to move that part some time ago, but then
I forgot.
| | Shaft Clip - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
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Nope. This is not a tool used by us. It is an actual part used in the build process
for the set. Unfortunately, Other seems like a great place for this part.
I would be fine with this. I always thought of it as a rock in the shape of a
skull anyways.
| | Spike - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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I would move this into the same category as all of the other barbs/claws/horns
for consistency.
| | Spiral Pole - move to Hose
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Not sure about this one. I have never seen the part in real life. Is the part
flexible or rigid?
| | Spring - create new category titled Spring (some of these in Technic which could
be moved)
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Yes. This makes perfect sense.
| | Spring Shooter - move to Brick, Modified
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Yes. This makes perfect sense.
| | Star Wars Multipack - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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The problem I have with this one is that none of the pieces contained in this
multipack are in the Minifigure, Utensil category, so putting the multipack there
makes no sense. Looking at this multipack and the Power Bursts multipack makes
me wonder if we should have a Multipack category that contains all of the multipacks
that were added. I don't even like that idea very much though.
| | Tassel - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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I would rather see this one in the Plate, Round category similar to
| | Waves - create new category titled Wave
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Yes. This was my suggestion many moons ago. However, I would make sure that Fire
was also in the name somewhere.
| | Wing / Sail Holder - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
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Same thoughts on this as the Shaft Clip from above.
I am perfectly OK with that.
| | Zipline - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
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LOL. This isn't a zipline *we* are using! I am not sure exactly where
it would fit. I will wait to see others' thoughts about it.
That's it for now until I read the rest of the thread...
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 10:08 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | | | Waves - create new category titled Wave
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Yes. This was my suggestion many moons ago. However, I would make sure that Fire
was also in the name somewhere.
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I meant Flame, not Fire.
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 11:34 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | Spike - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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I would move this into the same category as all of the other barbs/claws/horns
for consistency.
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I second this. That is the box I have mine in for inventory.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 09:45 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's the plan: I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment.
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If you do have a comment/suggestion on where these parts are going, please suggest
an alternative location. Before you comment, look at the situation carefully
and present a good argument about why the proposed category is inappropriate.
Parts:
There are 98 Other parts. Going in order by the standard way of displaying these
(Item Name, Up):
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No, I don't see this at all.. Animal,Accessory!
| | Human Tools - create new category titled Accessory, Human Tool
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Yes, findability for buyers is the number 1 concern but I just want to add that
as a seller I too would really like it if the minfig,utensil category is split
somehow. For me it's THE bottleneck of the shop, even with my own sub categorisation.
| | Infinity Stones - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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I'd say rock if diamonds are also rock.. The rock category does bug me a
bit though, the only way a diamond and a BURP are both rock is just linguistics:
The English language happens to use the same word for them, but to all non-English
natives they are different concepts entirely and it's unexpected to find
them in the same category.
I can see a Minfig,Treasure category that includes infinity stones, gems, diamonds,
coins, ingots...
| | Power Bursts - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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No, they are not utensils, not items to use for something. They are effects,
just like fire and lightning.
| | Spring Shooter - move to Brick, Modified
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Ok I think something needs to be done about this whole shooting deal because
it's currently shooting in all directions!
-So, these are supposedly Brick,Mod...
-Then there are rubber arrow shooters that are classified as "Technic".
-Classic cannons are classified as Minifig,Weapon even though they are not weapons
that minfigs can hold, while all other Minifig,Weapons are.
-And there is a net shooter that is now in the Vehicle category even though it
also appears as fixed weapons.
To me, none of these make sense. They're not bricks, they're not technic,
they're not minifig weapons, and they are not vehicle parts. Can we have
a category called "shooter"? All Bars that are really projectiles can be moved
there too, as they will rarely be used the way other Bars are used, and the Bar
category is getting a big clogged.
| | Tassel - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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No, not a utensil to me. I feel like all current utensils are really items that
minifigs use, and this one would really stand out as not meeting that criterium.
| | Waves - create new category titled Wave
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I assume that it should include flames, water, lightning (and I would say power
bursts...)? It is very likely that this group of items is going to expand, I
totally see new lightning and fire flashes being released the coming years. They
risk either crowding the (Other) category if they do not look "wavy" enough,
or making the "wave" category something really unclear. I see lightning bolts
are already described as "wave", I would not expect that. But I really do see
it makes sense to group these kinds of things together. But I'd prefer a
different name... something like "effects" or something in that direction...
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 10:11 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | | | Waves - create new category titled Wave
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I assume that it should include flames, water, lightning (and I would say power
bursts...)? It is very likely that this group of items is going to expand, I
totally see new lightning and fire flashes being released the coming years. They
risk either crowding the (Other) category if they do not look "wavy" enough,
or making the "wave" category something really unclear. I see lightning bolts
are already described as "wave", I would not expect that. But I really do see
it makes sense to group these kinds of things together. But I'd prefer a
different name... something like "effects" or something in that direction...
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I like the idea of Energy Effects. Blasts, bolts, waves and flames (and whatever
else LEGO thinks up) could all fit nicely. Kind of.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 03:16 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | I like the idea of Energy Effects. Blasts, bolts, waves and flames (and whatever
else LEGO thinks up) could all fit nicely. Kind of.
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Thanks, Jen!! This title was perfect. I was racking my brain trying to think
of an all-inclusive title, but I came back and reread your post and saw that
you'd already solved it.
The parts in this category are all physical manifestations of energy in one way
or another and many already have search keywords like flame and wave in their
titles. Therefore, a simple, elegant title like Energy Effects should be easy
to remember and renders unnecessary a clumsy title like Wave / Flame / Electricity
/ Plasma etc.
There are now 30 parts in this category. Thanks again!
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 3, 2018 20:57 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I made a spreadsheet of all the comments I got for parts movement and only a
few parts in the (Other) category were contentious. The rest seemed to be agreed
upon. So, now that I have carefully reviewed all of your comments, here is my
new plan with one last chance to comment on where these are going.
BTW, clearing out the parts in the (Other) category will NOT have any effects
like the merging of categories did. In fact, a day or two ago I already tested
this by creating the category Ball and moving the ball on the list there. The
category merging created the error, not adding new categories.
As always, this list will help anyone to see where these parts have gone for
the next three years (except for anything moved to Minifigures - I'll update
that list as necessary):
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1113041
| | Two babies - move to minifigures
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Still the plan.
| | Ball - create new category titled Ball
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Already done.
Got a lot of feedback on this, but decided in the end Cone was the most appropriate
category for this hard-to-define part. Already moved and retitled.
| | Han Solo in Carbonite - move to Minifigure
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In spite of mixed responses, still the plan. This is shown on the box front
as a figure with the other set figures.
| | BrickHeadz glasses - move to Bar
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Only one person had a problem with this, stating that this was not bar-like.
However, bars can be round, can't they? The suggestion was to move it to
ring, which I think I will heed and title it Ring, Double or something like
that (the Ring category has already been created).
| | Chains - create new category titled Chain
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Still the plan.
| | Chest armor - move to Large Figure Part
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Still the plan. One objection based on the fact that these weren't used
in large figures, but the mechs in which they were used are large compared to
minifigures. Other alternative is to create a Mid-Size Figure Parts category
and that doesn't seem wise. I think the part will fit in Large Figure Part
fine.
| | Finials - move to new Ball category
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Only one objection to these too, with suggested category being Plate, Round.
I don't feel like they fit there. My thinking is that they are balls with
a stand. Still open to other opinions - in the absence of any, will move to
Ball.
| | Hand, Mechanical - move to Large Figure Part
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Still the plan. See above.
| | Human Tools - create new category titled Accessory, Human Tool
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No objections raised. Still the plan.
| | Infinity Stones - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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I was swayed on this one. I like the idea of a Minifigure, Treasure category,
but ultimately decided to go with Rock as another user suggested. The Rock category
isn't large and these will fit well there.
| | Light Cover - move to Cone
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This one was quite contentious. I'm going to hold off on it for a bit until
I get the rest of the stuff looked at. Ultimately, I'm leaning toward the
solution three users suggested: Bar. So Bar with Light Cover or something
like that.
| | Obscure Item - leave in other
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Plan unchanged.
| | Slides - create new category titled Slide
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Not many people objected here, but some felt the rope bridge was a problem and
wanted to see these all combined with stairs and conveyors in one category.
The problem would be titling that category. You may notice that there aren't
many (if any) part categories which have titles like Stairs, Conveyors, Bridges,
and the Like. Part categories are simple, direct, and singular. That was wise
and I'd like to keep it that way. So I'll hold off on this one, too,
for further thought and await any further comments.
| | Power Bursts - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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The consensus here was a new category titled Effect. Not a bad idea, but it
seems like it would be hard to understand. Even Power Effect seems questionable,
though better. It would be great if we could come up with a title to describe
all forms of effects (waves, flames, power bolts, etc.) and group them all together
as suggested.
I thought Plasma Effect would be perfect, but Wikipedia tells me that flame is
not a plasma. So what about Plasma / Gas Effect? Still no mention of flame
in the title, though, which some wanted to see. Open to suggestions and am hoping
for some along these lines.
| | Rings - create new category titled Ring
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New category already created (currently unpopulated). Someone suggested moving
the Atlantis keys to Minifigure, Utensil. Undecided on this, but will decide
soon.
| | Rip Cords - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
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No major objections. Still the plan. They're used solely by humans to propel
the Ninjago propellers.
| | Rope Bridge - move to Stairs
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See above. Tough one.
| | Rotor, Spinjitzu - move to Propeller
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Still the plan.
| | Shaft Clip - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
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One strong objection, but I still feel like this is the best place. The only
natural thing about Ninjago Spinjitzu sets are the figures. The handles and
everything attached to them, even the propellers, are technically human tools.
We don't have to get crazy technical about all that, but the Wing Holder
and Shaft Clip only fit with each other and have little use elsewhere (although
I have seen brick separators used in MOCs). They're no different than the
rip cords you pull on - all part of an assembly to launch stuff. I really believe
they fit here, but will entertain final objections.
A couple of people suggested Brick, Ornamental as a new category and I think
that is a good idea. However, I don't believe the time is right. That can
wait until we go into the parts reclassification project (which, based on what
I've seen, is going to stir quite the controversy). For now I'll put
it with the other very similar item already in Rock.
| | Spike - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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Many people commented on this and the consensus was Minifigure, Weapon. So there
it goes. The alternative solution presented was Animal, Body Part.
| | Spiral Pole - move to Hose
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I really haven't looked closely at this part, but I think this is still the
plan.
| | Spring - create new category titled Spring (some of these in Technic which could
be moved)
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No objections. Still the plan.
| | Spring Shooter - move to Brick, Modified
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I'm really glad I started this discussion because you guys came up with a
great idea: a category for all parts that shoot stuff. They're currently
scattered around the catalog. So the plan is to create a new category titled
Projectile Launcher and move this there.
| | Star Wars Multipack - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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Another somewhat controversial one. This will be wrong wherever it goes because
the parts are varied and the suggestion of a new category titled Multipack ain't
bad at all since there will be more of them in the future. Still have to think
about this one some more (still interested in suggestions).
| | Tassel - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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Varied suggestions on this one. I think the new Chain category as someone suggested
would be most appropriate since it is essentially a chain with two links and
stuff on each link.
| | Waves - create new category titled Wave
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See Plasma Effect above.
| | Wing / Sail Holder - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
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See discussion above.
No objections. Still the plan.
| | Zipline - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
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Now going to Hose with a modified title to account for the change.
My plan for the future involves creating specific written instructions/guidelines
for classifying things (sets, parts, figures, etc.). This will make it much
easier for all of us to know what is going on and to quickly see if something
doesn't belong where it is. It was needed from day one, of course, but perhaps
it is better coming now that we have a better idea of the wide variety of items
produced by TLG.
My goal is to make these guidelines simple, direct, and easy to follow and I'm
convinced that I really have my work cut out for me. And yes, as someone
mentioned, it would ultimately be better to create the written standards first
before moving (Other) items. The reason I'm doing it this way is to get
a feel for how the community feels about classification and to analyze my own
approach to it. Everything I learn here will help me understand how to create
guidelines and I don't think very many (hopefully none) of these parts will
need to be moved again.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 3, 2018 21:52 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| [StormChaser] writes:
| | | | Power Bursts - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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The consensus here was a new category titled Effect. Not a bad idea, but it
seems like it would be hard to understand. Even Power Effect seems questionable,
though better. It would be great if we could come up with a title to describe
all forms of effects (waves, flames, power bolts, etc.) and group them all together
as suggested.
I thought Plasma Effect would be perfect, but Wikipedia tells me that flame is
not a plasma. So what about Plasma / Gas Effect? Still no mention of flame
in the title, though, which some wanted to see. Open to suggestions and am hoping
for some along these lines.
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| | | | Waves - create new category titled Wave
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See Plasma Effect above.
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How about a new category called 'Energy'?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 3, 2018 21:58 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
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| | Slides - create new category titled Slide
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Not many people objected here, but some felt the rope bridge was a problem and
wanted to see these all combined with stairs and conveyors in one category.
The problem would be titling that category. You may notice that there aren't
many (if any) part categories which have titles like Stairs, Conveyors, Bridges,
and the Like. Part categories are simple, direct, and singular. That was wise
and I'd like to keep it that way. So I'll hold off on this one, too,
for further thought and await any further comments.
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Building Elements would have been my suggestion if it could be understood
in a restricted sense.
Or Large Building Elements.
| | | | Power Bursts - move to Minifigure, Utensil
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The consensus here was a new category titled Effect. Not a bad idea, but it
seems like it would be hard to understand. Even Power Effect seems questionable,
though better. It would be great if we could come up with a title to describe
all forms of effects (waves, flames, power bolts, etc.) and group them all together
as suggested.
I thought Plasma Effect would be perfect, but Wikipedia tells me that flame is
not a plasma. So what about Plasma / Gas Effect?
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(BURP is already in use….)
And aren’t some of them neither plasma nor gas (nor liquid) but energy? Qi/chi?
Phlogiston?
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in the title, though, which some wanted to see.
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(Wow, dangerous to mix Flame with Gas Effects….)
| | Open to suggestions and am hoping
for some along these lines.
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What about Powers and Natural Effects?
That would cover supernatural projections and simple flames and spouts/jets/waves.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | mhortar | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 00:53 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | | | Power Bursts - move to Minifigure, Utensil
|
The consensus here was a new category titled Effect. Not a bad idea, but it
seems like it would be hard to understand. Even Power Effect seems questionable,
though better. It would be great if we could come up with a title to describe
all forms of effects (waves, flames, power bolts, etc.) and group them all together
as suggested.
I thought Plasma Effect would be perfect, but Wikipedia tells me that flame is
not a plasma. So what about Plasma / Gas Effect? Still no mention of flame
in the title, though, which some wanted to see. Open to suggestions and am hoping
for some along these lines.
| | Waves - create new category titled Wave
|
See Plasma Effect above.
|
What about 'Elemental Effects' for these? They're sometimes used
for lightning, flames, and water, so that kind of fits...
Josh
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 05:48 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | I made a spreadsheet of all the comments I got for parts movement and only a
few parts in the (Other) category were contentious. The rest seemed to be agreed
upon. So, now that I have carefully reviewed all of your comments, here is my
new plan with one last chance to comment on where these are going.
BTW, clearing out the parts in the (Other) category will NOT have any effects
like the merging of categories did. In fact, a day or two ago I already tested
this by creating the category Ball and moving the ball on the list there. The
category merging created the error, not adding new categories.
As always, this list will help anyone to see where these parts have gone for
the next three years (except for anything moved to Minifigures - I'll update
that list as necessary):
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1113041
| | Two babies - move to minifigures
|
Still the plan.
| | Ball - create new category titled Ball
|
Already done.
Got a lot of feedback on this, but decided in the end Cone was the most appropriate
category for this hard-to-define part. Already moved and retitled.
| | Han Solo in Carbonite - move to Minifigure
|
In spite of mixed responses, still the plan. This is shown on the box front
as a figure with the other set figures.
| | BrickHeadz glasses - move to Bar
|
Only one person had a problem with this, stating that this was not bar-like.
However, bars can be round, can't they? The suggestion was to move it to
ring, which I think I will heed and title it Ring, Double or something like
that (the Ring category has already been created).
| | Chains - create new category titled Chain
|
Still the plan.
| | Chest armor - move to Large Figure Part
|
Still the plan. One objection based on the fact that these weren't used
in large figures, but the mechs in which they were used are large compared to
minifigures. Other alternative is to create a Mid-Size Figure Parts category
and that doesn't seem wise. I think the part will fit in Large Figure Part
fine.
| | Finials - move to new Ball category
|
Only one objection to these too, with suggested category being Plate, Round.
I don't feel like they fit there. My thinking is that they are balls with
a stand. Still open to other opinions - in the absence of any, will move to
Ball.
| | Hand, Mechanical - move to Large Figure Part
|
Still the plan. See above.
| | Human Tools - create new category titled Accessory, Human Tool
|
No objections raised. Still the plan.
| | Infinity Stones - move to Minifigure, Utensil
|
I was swayed on this one. I like the idea of a Minifigure, Treasure category,
but ultimately decided to go with Rock as another user suggested. The Rock category
isn't large and these will fit well there.
| | Light Cover - move to Cone
|
This one was quite contentious. I'm going to hold off on it for a bit until
I get the rest of the stuff looked at. Ultimately, I'm leaning toward the
solution three users suggested: Bar. So Bar with Light Cover or something
like that.
|
So far so good. Take one more vote for Bar please.
| |
| | Obscure Item - leave in other
|
Plan unchanged.
| | Slides - create new category titled Slide
|
Not many people objected here, but some felt the rope bridge was a problem and
wanted to see these all combined with stairs and conveyors in one category.
The problem would be titling that category. You may notice that there aren't
many (if any) part categories which have titles like Stairs, Conveyors, Bridges,
and the Like. Part categories are simple, direct, and singular. That was wise
and I'd like to keep it that way. So I'll hold off on this one, too,
for further thought and await any further comments.
|
It makes sense to lump them together. I would maybe add Ladder as well. Can't
think of a name for the New category though but it sounds like moving something
(or minifig) from one point to another.
| |
| | Power Bursts - move to Minifigure, Utensil
|
The consensus here was a new category titled Effect. Not a bad idea, but it
seems like it would be hard to understand. Even Power Effect seems questionable,
though better. It would be great if we could come up with a title to describe
all forms of effects (waves, flames, power bolts, etc.) and group them all together
as suggested.
I thought Plasma Effect would be perfect, but Wikipedia tells me that flame is
not a plasma. So what about Plasma / Gas Effect? Still no mention of flame
in the title, though, which some wanted to see. Open to suggestions and am hoping
for some along these lines.
| | Rings - create new category titled Ring
|
New category already created (currently unpopulated). Someone suggested moving
the Atlantis keys to Minifigure, Utensil. Undecided on this, but will decide
soon.
|
No problem with the Minifigure, Utensil here (although I have some ideas to group
some of them, I will leave that for a later time).
| |
| | Rip Cords - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
|
No major objections. Still the plan. They're used solely by humans to propel
the Ninjago propellers.
| | Rope Bridge - move to Stairs
|
See above. Tough one.
| | Rotor, Spinjitzu - move to Propeller
|
Still the plan.
| | Shaft Clip - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
|
One strong objection, but I still feel like this is the best place. The only
natural thing about Ninjago Spinjitzu sets are the figures. The handles and
everything attached to them, even the propellers, are technically human tools.
We don't have to get crazy technical about all that, but the Wing Holder
and Shaft Clip only fit with each other and have little use elsewhere (although
I have seen brick separators used in MOCs). They're no different than the
rip cords you pull on - all part of an assembly to launch stuff. I really believe
they fit here, but will entertain final objections.
A couple of people suggested Brick, Ornamental as a new category and I think
that is a good idea. However, I don't believe the time is right. That can
wait until we go into the parts reclassification project (which, based on what
I've seen, is going to stir quite the controversy). For now I'll put
it with the other very similar item already in Rock.
| | Spike - move to Minifigure, Utensil
|
Many people commented on this and the consensus was Minifigure, Weapon. So there
it goes. The alternative solution presented was Animal, Body Part.
|
I'm on the Animal, Body Part camp for a long time now (this one was discussed
before) and LEGO themselves (for what is worth) called this Dorsal Fin, but
I understand the Minifigure, Weapon vote.
| | | | Spiral Pole - move to Hose
|
I really haven't looked closely at this part, but I think this is still the
plan.
|
I think the issue with this piece is the one that goes together and which is
currently on the Minifigure, Utensil category. It would make sense to have them
in the same category.
| |
| | Spring - create new category titled Spring (some of these in Technic which could
be moved)
|
No objections. Still the plan.
| | Spring Shooter - move to Brick, Modified
|
I'm really glad I started this discussion because you guys came up with a
great idea: a category for all parts that shoot stuff. They're currently
scattered around the catalog. So the plan is to create a new category titled
Projectile Launcher and move this there.
| | Star Wars Multipack - move to Minifigure, Utensil
|
Another somewhat controversial one. This will be wrong wherever it goes because
the parts are varied and the suggestion of a new category titled Multipack ain't
bad at all since there will be more of them in the future. Still have to think
about this one some more (still interested in suggestions).
|
I'd go for Multipack for the time being. It is not bad until something better
comes up.
| | | | Tassel - move to Minifigure, Utensil
|
Varied suggestions on this one. I think the new Chain category as someone suggested
would be most appropriate since it is essentially a chain with two links and
stuff on each link.
| | Waves - create new category titled Wave
|
See Plasma Effect above.
| | Wing / Sail Holder - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
|
See discussion above.
No objections. Still the plan.
| | Zipline - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
|
Now going to Hose with a modified title to account for the change.
My plan for the future involves creating specific written instructions/guidelines
for classifying things (sets, parts, figures, etc.). This will make it much
easier for all of us to know what is going on and to quickly see if something
doesn't belong where it is. It was needed from day one, of course, but perhaps
it is better coming now that we have a better idea of the wide variety of items
produced by TLG.
My goal is to make these guidelines simple, direct, and easy to follow and I'm
convinced that I really have my work cut out for me. And yes, as someone
mentioned, it would ultimately be better to create the written standards first
before moving (Other) items. The reason I'm doing it this way is to get
a feel for how the community feels about classification and to analyze my own
approach to it. Everything I learn here will help me understand how to create
guidelines and I don't think very many (hopefully none) of these parts will
need to be moved again.
|
Great work, thank you!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 06:51 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Mostly positive changes, thanks for the update. I am sorry but...reeeeaally people.....
the beehive.... noooooo
Please think about it. If a SPIDER-WEB is Animal,Accessory then a BEE-HIVE, surely
is Animal,Accessory too? I even saw someone even suggesting Minifig,Utensil and
I wonder where on earth that came from, as it has neither to do with minifigs
(except as headgear), nor utensils... The beehive discussion really has me tearing
my hair, to me it feels like there's some wheel and people go "hmmm... 'door'
maybe? or 'aircraft'?"
Just promise me when LEGO releases a bird nest, then SPIDER-WEB, BEE-HIVE, and
BIRD-NEST will all be Animal,Accessory
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | I made a spreadsheet of all the comments I got for parts movement and only a
few parts in the (Other) category were contentious. The rest seemed to be agreed
upon. So, now that I have carefully reviewed all of your comments, here is my
new plan with one last chance to comment on where these are going.
BTW, clearing out the parts in the (Other) category will NOT have any effects
like the merging of categories did. In fact, a day or two ago I already tested
this by creating the category Ball and moving the ball on the list there. The
category merging created the error, not adding new categories.
As always, this list will help anyone to see where these parts have gone for
the next three years (except for anything moved to Minifigures - I'll update
that list as necessary):
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1113041
| | Two babies - move to minifigures
|
Still the plan.
| | Ball - create new category titled Ball
|
Already done.
Got a lot of feedback on this, but decided in the end Cone was the most appropriate
category for this hard-to-define part. Already moved and retitled.
| | Han Solo in Carbonite - move to Minifigure
|
In spite of mixed responses, still the plan. This is shown on the box front
as a figure with the other set figures.
| | BrickHeadz glasses - move to Bar
|
Only one person had a problem with this, stating that this was not bar-like.
However, bars can be round, can't they? The suggestion was to move it to
ring, which I think I will heed and title it Ring, Double or something like
that (the Ring category has already been created).
| | Chains - create new category titled Chain
|
Still the plan.
| | Chest armor - move to Large Figure Part
|
Still the plan. One objection based on the fact that these weren't used
in large figures, but the mechs in which they were used are large compared to
minifigures. Other alternative is to create a Mid-Size Figure Parts category
and that doesn't seem wise. I think the part will fit in Large Figure Part
fine.
| | Finials - move to new Ball category
|
Only one objection to these too, with suggested category being Plate, Round.
I don't feel like they fit there. My thinking is that they are balls with
a stand. Still open to other opinions - in the absence of any, will move to
Ball.
| | Hand, Mechanical - move to Large Figure Part
|
Still the plan. See above.
| | Human Tools - create new category titled Accessory, Human Tool
|
No objections raised. Still the plan.
| | Infinity Stones - move to Minifigure, Utensil
|
I was swayed on this one. I like the idea of a Minifigure, Treasure category,
but ultimately decided to go with Rock as another user suggested. The Rock category
isn't large and these will fit well there.
| | Light Cover - move to Cone
|
This one was quite contentious. I'm going to hold off on it for a bit until
I get the rest of the stuff looked at. Ultimately, I'm leaning toward the
solution three users suggested: Bar. So Bar with Light Cover or something
like that.
| | Obscure Item - leave in other
|
Plan unchanged.
| | Slides - create new category titled Slide
|
Not many people objected here, but some felt the rope bridge was a problem and
wanted to see these all combined with stairs and conveyors in one category.
The problem would be titling that category. You may notice that there aren't
many (if any) part categories which have titles like Stairs, Conveyors, Bridges,
and the Like. Part categories are simple, direct, and singular. That was wise
and I'd like to keep it that way. So I'll hold off on this one, too,
for further thought and await any further comments.
| | Power Bursts - move to Minifigure, Utensil
|
The consensus here was a new category titled Effect. Not a bad idea, but it
seems like it would be hard to understand. Even Power Effect seems questionable,
though better. It would be great if we could come up with a title to describe
all forms of effects (waves, flames, power bolts, etc.) and group them all together
as suggested.
I thought Plasma Effect would be perfect, but Wikipedia tells me that flame is
not a plasma. So what about Plasma / Gas Effect? Still no mention of flame
in the title, though, which some wanted to see. Open to suggestions and am hoping
for some along these lines.
| | Rings - create new category titled Ring
|
New category already created (currently unpopulated). Someone suggested moving
the Atlantis keys to Minifigure, Utensil. Undecided on this, but will decide
soon.
| | Rip Cords - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
|
No major objections. Still the plan. They're used solely by humans to propel
the Ninjago propellers.
| | Rope Bridge - move to Stairs
|
See above. Tough one.
| | Rotor, Spinjitzu - move to Propeller
|
Still the plan.
| | Shaft Clip - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
|
One strong objection, but I still feel like this is the best place. The only
natural thing about Ninjago Spinjitzu sets are the figures. The handles and
everything attached to them, even the propellers, are technically human tools.
We don't have to get crazy technical about all that, but the Wing Holder
and Shaft Clip only fit with each other and have little use elsewhere (although
I have seen brick separators used in MOCs). They're no different than the
rip cords you pull on - all part of an assembly to launch stuff. I really believe
they fit here, but will entertain final objections.
A couple of people suggested Brick, Ornamental as a new category and I think
that is a good idea. However, I don't believe the time is right. That can
wait until we go into the parts reclassification project (which, based on what
I've seen, is going to stir quite the controversy). For now I'll put
it with the other very similar item already in Rock.
| | Spike - move to Minifigure, Utensil
|
Many people commented on this and the consensus was Minifigure, Weapon. So there
it goes. The alternative solution presented was Animal, Body Part.
| | Spiral Pole - move to Hose
|
I really haven't looked closely at this part, but I think this is still the
plan.
| | Spring - create new category titled Spring (some of these in Technic which could
be moved)
|
No objections. Still the plan.
| | Spring Shooter - move to Brick, Modified
|
I'm really glad I started this discussion because you guys came up with a
great idea: a category for all parts that shoot stuff. They're currently
scattered around the catalog. So the plan is to create a new category titled
Projectile Launcher and move this there.
| | Star Wars Multipack - move to Minifigure, Utensil
|
Another somewhat controversial one. This will be wrong wherever it goes because
the parts are varied and the suggestion of a new category titled Multipack ain't
bad at all since there will be more of them in the future. Still have to think
about this one some more (still interested in suggestions).
| | Tassel - move to Minifigure, Utensil
|
Varied suggestions on this one. I think the new Chain category as someone suggested
would be most appropriate since it is essentially a chain with two links and
stuff on each link.
| | Waves - create new category titled Wave
|
See Plasma Effect above.
| | Wing / Sail Holder - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
|
See discussion above.
No objections. Still the plan.
| | Zipline - move to new Accessory, Human Tool category
|
Now going to Hose with a modified title to account for the change.
My plan for the future involves creating specific written instructions/guidelines
for classifying things (sets, parts, figures, etc.). This will make it much
easier for all of us to know what is going on and to quickly see if something
doesn't belong where it is. It was needed from day one, of course, but perhaps
it is better coming now that we have a better idea of the wide variety of items
produced by TLG.
My goal is to make these guidelines simple, direct, and easy to follow and I'm
convinced that I really have my work cut out for me. And yes, as someone
mentioned, it would ultimately be better to create the written standards first
before moving (Other) items. The reason I'm doing it this way is to get
a feel for how the community feels about classification and to analyze my own
approach to it. Everything I learn here will help me understand how to create
guidelines and I don't think very many (hopefully none) of these parts will
need to be moved again.
|
|
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 07:03 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| [Teup] writes:
| | Please think about it. If a SPIDER-WEB is Animal,Accessory then a BEE-HIVE, surely
is Animal,Accessory too?
|
I did think about it and you are right. However, if someone has a bright pink
bee-hive in their hand, they acquired from a job lot, and they did not know what
it was _ would they know it was a bee-hive and think to look in ' Animal,
Accessory '? Under this situation I don't think Cotton Candy/Candy-Floss/Sugar-Fluff
would be the first thing they think about either.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 07:31 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | [Teup] writes:
| | Please think about it. If a SPIDER-WEB is Animal,Accessory then a BEE-HIVE, surely
is Animal,Accessory too?
|
I did think about it and you are right. However, if someone has a bright pink
bee-hive in their hand, they acquired from a job lot, and they did not know what
it was _ would they know it was a bee-hive and think to look in ' Animal,
Accessory '? Under this situation I don't think Cotton Candy/Candy-Floss/Sugar-Fluff
would be the first thing they think about either.
|
Oh, I didn't realise they were used like that. I still think it should be
at Animal,Accessory, because if you are going to categorise on shape, then you
might as well do it for all parts, all foods for example: Ice cream cones should
be cones, carrots should be cones or bars, sausages should be bar.. but no, I
think it's ok things get categorised based on their first appearance / most
logical appearance. I think in the case of the beehive it is clear that the part
was designed as a beehive, and then later reinterpreted as candy floss. If they
designed a candy floss part from the start, it would not have these characteristic
bee hive bands. In my opinion it's just part of LEGO creativity that you
often see in modern sets (especially modular buildings) that happens to all parts
(feathers, skis, plumes, ...) and doesn't affect their catalog identity.
Still, I hadn't realised that before so I do understand the reasoning now.
That does make the choice for Cone a bit more bearable
|
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 07:44 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Mostly positive changes, thanks for the update. I am sorry but...reeeeaally people.....
the beehive.... noooooo
Please think about it. If a SPIDER-WEB is Animal,Accessory then a BEE-HIVE, surely
is Animal,Accessory too? I even saw someone even suggesting Minifig,Utensil and
I wonder where on earth that came from, as it has neither to do with minifigs
(except as headgear), nor utensils...
|
As WoutR already pointed out, Beehives aren’t made by bees but by minifigs… er
humans.
Bees live in hollow trunks or such cavities, they don’t build such nests.
| | The beehive discussion really has me tearing
my hair, to me it feels like there's some wheel and people go "hmmm... 'door'
maybe? or 'aircraft'?"
Just promise me when LEGO releases a bird nest, then SPIDER-WEB, BEE-HIVE, and
BIRD-NEST will all be Animal,Accessory
|
This part already is:
1. a (man-made) beehive,
2. a cotton-candy,
And it can be:
3. a wasp or hornet nest,
4. a Chinese lantern,
5. a Bibendum head,
and undoubtedly many many other things, especially when other colours will appear.
It already has too many very different usages.
Therefore, we can’t categorize it according to its usages.
Therefore, we only can use its shape and connectivity for categorization purposes.
(Moreover and anyway, shape and connectivity should always be the main features
used for categorization as usage generally isn’t known when you stumble upon
the part and are using the catalogue to find it.)
And this part is cone-based, sort of, and can go on a minifig head.
So it’s a Cone or a Minifig Hat.
QED
|
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 07:55 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
|
| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Mostly positive changes, thanks for the update. I am sorry but...reeeeaally people.....
the beehive.... noooooo
Please think about it. If a SPIDER-WEB is Animal,Accessory then a BEE-HIVE, surely
is Animal,Accessory too? I even saw someone even suggesting Minifig,Utensil and
I wonder where on earth that came from, as it has neither to do with minifigs
(except as headgear), nor utensils...
|
As WoutR already pointed out, Beehives aren’t made by bees but by minifigs… er
humans.
Bees live in hollow trunks or such cavities, they don’t build such nests.
| | The beehive discussion really has me tearing
my hair, to me it feels like there's some wheel and people go "hmmm... 'door'
maybe? or 'aircraft'?"
Just promise me when LEGO releases a bird nest, then SPIDER-WEB, BEE-HIVE, and
BIRD-NEST will all be Animal,Accessory
|
This part already is:
1. a (man-made) beehive,
2. a cotton-candy,
And it can be:
3. a wasp or hornet nest,
4. a Chinese lantern,
5. a Bibendum head,
and undoubtedly many many other things, especially when other colours will appear.
It already has too many very different usages.
Therefore, we can’t categorize it according to its usages.
Therefore, we only can use its shape and connectivity for categorization purposes.
(Moreover and anyway, shape and connectivity should always be the main features
used for categorization as usage generally isn’t known when you stumble upon
the part and are using the catalogue to find it.)
And this part is cone-based, sort of, and can go on a minifig head.
So it’s a Cone or a Minifig Hat.
QED
|
Now I'm confused, I thought this beehive shape is a cartoonesque representation
of bee/wasp nest in trees (that actually look like this)? Or are they like
jugs or something like that made by beekeepers? I tried to google but I don't
find any "real" version (man made or otherwise) of this type of beehive, that's
why I'm still not sure... :o
So my comparison with spiderweb could be off, though it doesn't exactly matter
for the Animal,Accessory argument in and of itself because they are usually man
made anyway.
But you're right if this part will be used for other stuff in the future.
It would be much like the fez situation then. I don't actually expect it,
but let's see.
I'm actually ok with minifig hat
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 08:08 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| [Teup] writes:
| | Now I'm confused, I thought this beehive shape is a cartoonesque representation
of bee/wasp nest in trees (that actually look like this)?
|
Yes, you are right, the ' cone ' shape is a cartoonesque representation
of a bee nest, naturally made by bees. [Do an image search on ' Bee
Nest ']. The real thing is more a ball or egg shape in dark tan (ish) color/colour.
Bee hives are man/minifig made and bee nests are naturally made
by bees.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 08:29 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | [Teup] writes:
| | Now I'm confused, I thought this beehive shape is a cartoonesque representation
of bee/wasp nest in trees (that actually look like this)?
|
Yes, you are right, the ' cone ' shape is a cartoonesque representation
of a bee nest, naturally made by bees. [Do an image search on ' Bee
Nest ']. The real thing is more a ball or egg shape in dark tan (ish) color/colour.
Bee hives are man/minifig made and bee nests are naturally made
by bees.
|
They are wasp and hornet nests, not bee.
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Now I'm confused, I thought this beehive shape is a cartoonesque representation
of bee/wasp nest in trees (that actually look like this)? Or are they like
jugs or something like that made by beekeepers? I tried to google but I don't
find any "real" version (man made or otherwise) of this type of beehive, that's
why I'm still not sure... :o
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Look at Wikipedia, they have pictures (esp. on English and French versions, a
little less on the “Nederlands” one).
Some wasps and hornets make roundish nests (cardboard-looking material which
is actually saliva and dirt or wood), but they don’t show rings. And they aren’t
bees.
Only some man-made rope hives show rings.
And man has kept bees for milleniums, so the shape is in our cultural memories.
| | So my comparison with spiderweb could be off, though it doesn't exactly matter
for the Animal,Accessory argument in and of itself because they are usually man
made anyway.
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Without the rapid official use as a cotton-candy, I’d actually have agreed with
the Animal, Accessory possibility.
| | But you're right if this part will be used for other stuff in the future.
It would be much like the fez situation then. I don't actually expect it,
but let's see.
I'm actually ok with minifig hat
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Yes, because it goes around a head but on the other hand, when you have the piece
in hand and don’t know what it is, do you readily realize it goes around a head
and think “Hat!” or do you first look at its conical shape?
Tough case
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| [SylvainLS] writes:
| | Only some man-made rope hives show rings.
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Ahh. The penny as dropped! I did an image search on ' rope hives ' and
now understand where the stereotypical ringed cone shape comes from!
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| | | | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 03:54 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I just want to add another suggestion before this project is completed.
Only a few items left in ' (Other) ' so well done [StormChaser] and contributors
on the progress.
[StormChaser] writes:
| | Finials - move to new Ball category
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I actually had a second thought on this one, and I would just like to 'type
in out loud' . This, as the name suggests, is an architectural object
so I was wondering whether this should go into new category (but I cannot
think of a good name) that contains other architectural objects like ,
perhaps masonry profiles like , and perhaps even .
However after that thought, 'Ball' seems the most appropriate category
especially to someone with the finial in their hand and no idea where it came
from or what is used to represent.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 04:07 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | so I was wondering whether this should go into new category that contains other architectural objects
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An interesting idea which you might bring up again when we get into the parts
reclassification project. In the end, though, you have to keep in mind that
people will be looking for the nearest thing they can think of to the unidentified
object they have.
So the masonry profile brick, for example, is definitely used as a decorative
architectural object. In reality, though, it is simply a 1 x 2 brick which has
been modified and that is likely where people would go looking for it: the Brick,
Modified category.
Again, though, we can discuss all of this when that project starts. It will
still be a little time until then.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 05:18 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | so I was wondering whether this should go into new category that contains other architectural objects
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An interesting idea which you might bring up again when we get into the parts
reclassification project. In the end, though, you have to keep in mind that
people will be looking for the nearest thing they can think of to the unidentified
object they have.
So the masonry profile brick, for example, is definitely used as a decorative
architectural object. In reality, though, it is simply a 1 x 2 brick which has
been modified and that is likely where people would go looking for it: the Brick,
Modified category.
Again, though, we can discuss all of this when that project starts. It will
still be a little time until then.
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Take this as just one vote, but that's taking it too far for me. I'm
ok with the Energy Effect category and believe it's an improvement. But moving
such large volumes of basic parts to a new category is stretching it to far for
me. It's exactly the example I mean where there is minimal gain (a masonry
brick really still is a brick modified) and the cost is pretty big. I have hand
built my storage walls and their sizes are all designed for the existing categories.
I have coded software to analyse the frequency of use of all of the bins and
position those at arm height. Everything has been meticulously designed trusting
the catalog is a stable entity. Changing it this drastically will give me a great
deal of work, it already took me 2 weeks of making excel sheets to come up with
the design I have now and it was really a difficult puzzle to make everything
fit in the limited space that I have. That's something I will gladly go through
again (and actually risk I will not get things to fit a second time) if it means
catalog improvement (such as the Energy Effect category, which is both uncontestably
better and a small volume of parts - great improvement), but when it is about
moving substantial volumes of ambiguous parts from one partially adequate category
to another, I will need to cast a "nay".
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 06:18 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Take this as just one vote, but that's taking it too far for me.
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Agreed, and thank you for sharing how your sorting system works. I want to encourage
discussion, but I do not plan to make major changes to a whole bunch of parts.
This project is still a ways off and we will have written definitions of part
categories and plenty of discussion before anything is moved.
The things I anticipate could move (not will, but only could) are things
which people have argued about for years, like Tile, Modified vs. Plate, Modified.
See the last example given in this post:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1112599
Once we have written definitions of each part category, then some things may
need to be moved to comply with those definitions. But even the definitions
will be open for discussion. I'll probably write them all out first and
then present them for discussion and possible modification. I'm not going
to be like the dude on the mountain handing down edicts on stone tablets.
The goal of all of this is to reduce confusion and disarray, not add to it, and
I am aware that sellers have systems in place based on the catalog. If the catalog
is inconsistent in certain places, though, we should not force future generations
to live with that because it is inconvenient for us to change in the present.
Anyway, I don't see how anyone could object to uncategorized items finally
being categorized, so right now that's what I'm focusing on.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 06:36 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Take this as just one vote, but that's taking it too far for me.
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Agreed, and thank you for sharing how your sorting system works. I want to encourage
discussion, but I do not plan to make major changes to a whole bunch of parts.
This project is still a ways off and we will have written definitions of part
categories and plenty of discussion before anything is moved.
The things I anticipate could move (not will, but only could) are things
which people have argued about for years, like Tile, Modified vs. Plate, Modified.
See the last example given in this post:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1112599
Once we have written definitions of each part category, then some things may
need to be moved to comply with those definitions. But even the definitions
will be open for discussion. I'll probably write them all out first and
then present them for discussion and possible modification. I'm not going
to be like the dude on the mountain handing down edicts on stone tablets.
The goal of all of this is to reduce confusion and disarray, not add to it, and
I am aware that sellers have systems in place based on the catalog. If the catalog
is inconsistent in certain places, though, we should not force future generations
to live with that because it is inconvenient for us to change in the present.
Anyway, I don't see how anyone could object to uncategorized items finally
being categorized, so right now that's what I'm focusing on.
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Thanks for taking note, that sounds reasonable. I guess my point is that there's
correcting the catalog and reimagining the catalog, and as long as we stay with
the former, that's all good.
Yes, I understand the trouble with Tile,Modified. What I associate most with
tiles and what gives it the "tile" feel to me is the groove, but I also understand
that there are type variations in this so that probably disqualifies that characteristic
for categorising. An option is moving everything with studs to Plate,Modified.
I have never thought of those big plates with missing studs in the middle as
"tiles", nor do their dimensions match anything that reminds of tiles (in fact,
NONE of them have dimensions that we see echoed in the tile category!). This,
by the way, is a really good example of where for me the comfort limit is. A
bit of hassle, but it would be just within the range of what I can handle without
having to redesign and reassign things, and I could see the benefit.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 4, 2018 06:36 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | ... Everything [in my warehouse] has been meticulously designed trusting
the catalog is a stable entity. Changing it this drastically will give me a great
deal of work, it already took me 2 weeks of making excel sheets to come up with
the design I have now and it was really a difficult puzzle to make everything
fit in the limited space that I have. ...
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Why do you let BL dictate how you organise your stock? It is your
physical LEGO elements, not Bricklinks. It is your warehouse. If
you use the 'Remarks' field for your warehouse location and/or warehouse
categories, why do you need to use Brcklink categories? The 'Remarks'
field comes up on orders, and can be adjusted by lot rather than just part (Bricklink
categories are only based on parts and not lots). Use BL for a guide, or suggestion
on how to catgorise your warehouse, but do not use BL to organise your warehouse.
The BL catalog should be buyer based, your inventory (using 'Remarks'
field) is your catalog supplier based just for you.
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| In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | [Teup] writes:
| | ... Everything [in my warehouse] has been meticulously designed trusting
the catalog is a stable entity. Changing it this drastically will give me a great
deal of work, it already took me 2 weeks of making excel sheets to come up with
the design I have now and it was really a difficult puzzle to make everything
fit in the limited space that I have. ...
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Why do you let BL dictate how you organise your stock? It is your
physical LEGO elements, not Bricklinks. It is your warehouse. If
you use the 'Remarks' field for your warehouse location and/or warehouse
categories, why do you need to use Brcklink categories? The 'Remarks'
field comes up on orders, and can be adjusted by lot rather than just part (Bricklink
categories are only based on parts and not lots). Use BL for a guide, or suggestion
on how to catgorise your warehouse, but do not use BL to organise your warehouse.
The BL catalog should be buyer based, your inventory (using 'Remarks'
field) is your catalog supplier based just for you.
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Then I would need to write remarks for each and every lot. I have frequently
discussed category sorting vs remark sorting, and I just really do not believe
that remark sorting would work for me. It has alot of drawbacks and also I do
not see how it can be done properly without Brickstock, which is useless to me
as it does not feature the European priceguide.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 16:25 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | The time to worry passed when you could no longer view
them on a single page.
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That sentence should read:
The time to worry passed when you could no longer view them on a single page
without scrolling.
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| | | | | Author: | mhortar | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 16:31 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I'm really interested to see how this goes.
I just took a couple minutes to look at the stuff in the ' Other)' category.
For the parts, it looks like a lot of them would be fairly simple (lots of minifig
accessories), but there's a couple that will be interesting (the slide parts,
for instance).
The Sets in the (Other) category are the real interesting ones to me. A lot of
these fall into an (Other) that is actually a sub-category of another main category.
Should these stay this way? Since a number of them are promotional items, does
there need to be a Promotional category? If BrickLink supported multiple Categories
(or Tags!) on a item, I'd say yes, but since it doesn't, it seems like
it isn't quite as clear-cut.
I take that back... Sets are pretty simple compared to Gear and Books. Where
on earth would you put ?
Josh
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| | | | | | | Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 20:49 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| WOW, Lego actually made an ashtray? Who woulda thunk.
Jim
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 9, 2018 22:17 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, mhortar writes:
| | I take that back... Sets are pretty simple compared to Gear and Books. Where
on earth would you put ?
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Simple. With the Zippo lighters and other smoking supplies. I guess no one
wanted to call them what they were?
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 18:23 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's the plan: I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment.
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If you do have a comment/suggestion on where these parts are going, please suggest
an alternative location. Before you comment, look at the situation carefully
and present a good argument about why the proposed category is inappropriate.
Sets:
There are 106 Other sets. Going in order by the standard way of displaying these
(Item Number, Up):
Duck - create new category titled Employee Gift
Name Letter Pack - move to Sets: Office and School Supplies (may retitle category)
Brickmaster Kit - create new category titled BrickMaster
Animal Atlas - move to Universal Building Kit: Basic Model
Life of George sets - create new category titled Life of George
Pudsey Bear - move to Creator: Basic Model
Buildable Box - move to Sets: Office and School Supplies
Piggy Bank - move to Sets: Office and School Supplies: Coin and Coin Bank
Iconic VIP - move to LEGO Brand Store
Billund Airport - create new category titled LEGO Facilities
Rio Mascots - Man, some of these are tough. I feel like the Sorting Hat. Create
new category titled Promotional (very open to suggestions for this one)
Mini Piggy Bank - move to Sets: Office and School Supplies: Coin and Coin Bank
Creative Personalities - Move to LEGO Brand Store and create subcategories to
make it easier to find stuff in here
LEGO House sets - create new category titled LEGO House
Plants - move to LEGO Brand Store
Bean There - move to new category Promotional
LEGO House set - move to new LEGO House category
Ducks - duplicated catalog entry, merge
Max - create new category LEGO Club. Thinking about creating top-level category
LEGO Brand with subcategories LEGO Brand Store, LEGO House, LEGO Club, LEGO Inside
Tour, LEGO Employee Gift, LEGO Facilities, LEGO Promotional, and LEGOLAND Parks.
Open to discussion.
40000** sets - move to appropriate categories as mentioned above
BR Minifigure - move to Collectible Minifigures
Minifigure Gift Sets - move to Collectible Minifigures
Royal Guard - move to Collectible Minifigures
Tulip - move to Universal Building Kit: Basic Model
Lego House Pre-Opening - move to subcategory as discussed above
Bau Mit - move to new Promotional category
Polar Bear - move to new Promotional category
Egg - move to new Promotional category
Dad - move to Collectible Minifigures
DesignByMe - move to new category as discussed above
Danmarks Figures - move to Collectible Minifigures
Puzzle Promo 2009 - move to LEGO Promotional category as discussed above
Fountain - move to new Promotional category
Kladno - move to LEGO category as discussed above
LDD - move to LEGO category as discussed above
Life - move to Collectible Minifigures
Vases - move to new Promotional category
LEGO House Grand Opening - move to new LEGO House category
Light Bulb - move to LEGO Promotional category as discussed above
Lime Max - move to LEGO category as discussed above
LIT sets - same
Japan sets - move to Universal Building Kit: Basic Model
Puzzle promos - move to LEGO Promotional category as discussed above
Promotion boxes - move to new category Promotional
Oil Platform - move to new category Promotional
Shell Complete Set - move to new category Promotional
Sphinx - move to new LEGO category as discussed above
And that's all the sets. Some retitles may be necessary. Discussion?
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 09:31 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Thinking about creating top-level category LEGO Brand with subcategories LEGO Brand Store, LEGO House, LEGO Club, LEGO Inside Tour, LEGO Employee Gift, LEGO Facilities, LEGO Promotional, and LEGOLAND Parks. Open to discussion.
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I rather like this idea, Robert. The only possible confusion that I can think
of is someone wondering "Isn't everything here the LEGO brand?" Maybe call
it "The LEGO Group", referring to the company instead of the brand?
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 12:18 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Here's the plan: I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment.
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If you do have a comment/suggestion on where these parts are going, please suggest
an alternative location. Before you comment, look at the situation carefully
and present a good argument about why the proposed category is inappropriate.
Sets:
There are 106 Other sets. Going in order by the standard way of displaying these
(Item Number, Up):
Rio Mascots - Man, some of these are tough. I feel like the Sorting Hat. Create
new category titled Promotional (very open to suggestions for this one)
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How about "Co-Brand Promotional"? This would indicate that the sets were: (a)
issued together with another company's branding and is not part of the LEGO
Promotional items; (b) that these might only have been exclusively available
at some place other than TLG; (c) makes it easier to both find in and add to
the catalog. You might have to retitle some to include the co-branding though.
| | Max - create new category LEGO Club. Thinking about creating top-level category
LEGO Brand with subcategories LEGO Brand Store, LEGO House, LEGO Club, LEGO Inside
Tour, LEGO Employee Gift, LEGO Facilities, LEGO Promotional, and LEGOLAND Parks.
Open to discussion.
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Brilliant - Go for it, this might also make things much easier on you when you
get to the "other" gear items.
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| | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 18:51 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Okay, okay, I can’t refrain myself anymore:
Why is there a project for a second catalogue? The first one isn’t finished
yet.
There. I feel better. Sorry to unburden here. I’m out.
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 1, 2018 09:33 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | Okay, okay, I can’t refrain myself anymore:
Why is there a project for a second catalogue? The first one isn’t finished
yet.
There. I feel better. Sorry to unburden here. I’m out.
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Nice.
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| | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 19:56 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| OK, I have read through the comments and I would like to add my two cents:
* | | 35574 Cone 2 x 2 x 1 2/3 with Stacked Rings (Beehive / Cotton Candy)
Parts: Cone |
In bright light orange this looks like the stereotypical natural beehive, but
if someone has this in bright pink they may not see it as a beehive. So I agree
with [StormChaser] and go with its shape and go into 'Cone'.
[p=36451c01]
These should go into a new category called 'Gem' or 'Gemstone'
or 'Crystal'. Then move the small items from 'Rock' into here.
* | | 58176 Bar with Light Bulb Cover (Bionicle Barraki Eye)
Parts: Bar |
I agree with [leopard37], move to 'Bar'.
I am undecided about this part, but I'm going with [leopard37] and [bje]
for 'Minifig, Weapon', although I originally thought 'Plant'
(as in prickly plant stem).
Waves
Can we name the new category 'Waves/Flames'?
Everything else seems appropriate to me.
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| | | | | | | Author: | mfav | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 20:30 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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* | | 58176 Bar with Light Bulb Cover (Bionicle Barraki Eye)
Parts: Bar |
I agree with [leopard37], move to 'Bar'.
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It’s basically the same as [p=4773], which isn’t a bar.
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| | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 20:56 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | If is going to 'Hose', should we also move to 'Hose'? |
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Oct 31, 2018 21:16 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | If is going to 'Hose', should we also move to 'Hose'?
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No, right now I'm only focusing on cleaning out the (Other) category. If
there are different parts which you feel should be moved, please hang onto those
ideas until we launch the project on reclassifying parts.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 3, 2018 04:54 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Work has now begun on the second project
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All the sets are now cleared out of (Other) except for these:
These will either go to LEGO Brand: Promotional or simply Promotional depending
on what LEGO World is. Can anyone help me with this? Is LEGO World an official
event put on by TLG or is it a fan event like the dozens or hundreds of others
which exist?
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 5, 2018 04:16 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps)
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I'm going to switch gears from sets and parts for a bit and work on Gear
items. This section of (Other) items is so large that I'm not going to solicit
comments/suggestions on individual items until I get some of the obvious stuff
cleared out. If anyone wants to share ideas before then, feel free. Here's
the list:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1113841
These are not high-profile items like other items are and a goodly portion of
them have no items for sale, so I don't anticipate much disruption with Gear
things.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 5, 2018 05:54 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps)
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I'm going to switch gears from sets and parts for a bit and work on Gear
items. This section of (Other) items is so large that I'm not going to solicit
comments/suggestions on individual items until I get some of the obvious stuff
cleared out. If anyone wants to share ideas before then, feel free. Here's
the list:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1113841
These are not high-profile items like other items are and a goodly portion of
them have no items for sale, so I don't anticipate much disruption with Gear
things.
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Wow. LEGO has produced so much peripheral rubbish I wouldn't like to be
in your shoes with all of that, seems daunting. I agree, better to focus on items
that are bought and sold. Actually it's already above my expectation that
every fart LEGO produces gets a place in the Bricklink catalog with picture,
info and all. I don't mind that whole categorisation at all.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 5, 2018 12:28 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Wow. LEGO has produced so much peripheral rubbish I wouldn't like to be
in your shoes with all of that, seems daunting. I agree, better to focus on items
that are bought and sold. Actually it's already above my expectation that
every fart LEGO produces gets a place in the Bricklink catalog with picture,
info and all. I don't mind that whole categorisation at all.
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TLG has had a huge number of licensing agreements with other companies and I
am certain that there are tens of thousands of LEGO-branded items which are still
not in the BrickLink catalog. Many of them are lost and will never be added.
Even today it's not unheard of to come across an older LEGO set which the
fan community has never documented. I've done so numerous times and I know
of one from the 1990s right now which I haven't got around to adding - picture
below.
I like that we include obscure stuff in the catalog, even if it's never bought
or sold. It makes BrickLink the most complete reference catalog anywhere for
all things LEGO.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 04:53 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | I'm going to post back here later today with all my
proposed changes (I may have to take this in steps) and give people a chance
to comment.
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Okay, here is my plan for minifigures. Let's discuss it.
All of these to Holiday. One or more birthday figures are already there. Might
do Holiday: Party Supplies or may add new Birthday Party category. May also
add new Wedding category.
Both to LEGO Brand with subcategories (LEGO Brand Store, LEGO Inside Tour, etc.).
Promotional.
Holiday. Perhaps Holiday: Wedding if I add that category.
LEGO Brand.
Promotional.
LEGO Brand.
Promotional.
Tough one, but Holiday: Halloween. There have clearly been different opinions
over the years on how to classify minifigures and there are inconsistencies in
the catalog. Since no written policies currently exist and the intent was to
keep all the ghosts together, I'd like to respect that and move them as a
group. Same goes for skeletons further below.
LEGO Brand.
Same as bride (see above).
LEGO Brand.
[M=gen096]
Promotional. Yes, it is going to be deleted. Until then, there's no reason
not to move it.
LEGO Brand.
Building Bigger Thinking.
Office and School Supplies. Or wherever that gear ends up (currently uncategorized).
Building Bigger Thinking.
Not inventoried in an item. Goes in a storage item. Taking suggestions on where
to put it.
Same as pln170 just three figures above.
Constructing Larger Thought Processes.
Promotional.
LEGO Brand.
Collectible Minifigures.
LEGO Brand.
Holiday: Halloween. See discussion about ghosts above.
LEGO Brand.
Promotional.
LEGO Brand.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 05:03 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Couldn't they just have their own separate categories: ghosts and skeletons?
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
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Tough one, but Holiday: Halloween. There have clearly been different opinions
over the years on how to classify minifigures and there are inconsistencies in
the catalog. Since no written policies currently exist and the intent was to
keep all the ghosts together, I'd like to respect that and move them as a
group. Same goes for skeletons further below.
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Holiday: Halloween. See discussion about ghosts above.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 10:20 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| "Dead Folks" or "The Dead". We could move all the zombies in there too!
In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | Couldn't they just have their own separate categories: ghosts and skeletons?
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
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Tough one, but Holiday: Halloween. There have clearly been different opinions
over the years on how to classify minifigures and there are inconsistencies in
the catalog. Since no written policies currently exist and the intent was to
keep all the ghosts together, I'd like to respect that and move them as a
group. Same goes for skeletons further below.
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Holiday: Halloween. See discussion about ghosts above.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 10:33 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | Couldn't they just have their own separate categories: ghosts and skeletons?
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I agree. I do not associate these figures with Halloween at all.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 13:35 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | Couldn't they just have their own separate categories: ghosts and skeletons?
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The short answer is yes. However, if you look at the minifigure overview page
you'll notice that minifigures are categorized by theme:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogTree.asp?itemBrand=1000&itemType=M
They're not categorized by what they are, but by which theme they came from
(generally speaking - there are inconsistencies). So there are Town: City: Hospital
and Town: City: Airport but not Town: Doctor or Town: Pilot or Town: Plumber.
Creating new categories Ghost and Skeleton would be contrary to the current cataloging
system. I'm not saying it is a bad idea, but it would increase inconsistency
in the catalog. The other option for ghosts and skeletons would be to move them
into the individual themes from which they came (since my idea of Halloween doesn't
seem too popular).
In response to axaday's suggestion about moving zombies, I say look at this
page of zombies:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=M&q=zombie&catLike=W&itemBrand=1000&searchMethod=searchBoth
If we moved all the zombies into one place we'd be pulling them from these
categories:
Minecraft
Star Wars
Pirates of the Caribbean
Game
Scooby-Doo
Monster Fighters
Collectible Minifigures
Ghostbusters
Holiday
Once we did that, those categories would no longer be complete because that is
not the way minifigures are categorized. I thought it would be nice to keep
the ghosts and skeletons together, but I guess they really should be moved into
the themes from which they came (as nearly as possible). So that's the new
plan if no one objects.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 13:42 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Once we did that, those categories would no longer be complete because that is
not the way minifigures are categorized. I thought it would be nice to keep
the ghosts and skeletons together, but I guess they really should be moved into
the themes from which they came (as nearly as possible). So that's the new
plan if no one objects.
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What with this one for example then in this way of moving them:
it is in sets from four different categories!
First set in which it came was Star Wars
- 2013
then was it added to set from Halloween -2015, The Ninjago Movie -2017 and recently
Creator -2018
I do not want to see it in SW category
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 13:52 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | Couldn't they just have their own separate categories: ghosts and skeletons?
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The short answer is yes. However, if you look at the minifigure overview page
you'll notice that minifigures are categorized by theme:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogTree.asp?itemBrand=1000&itemType=M
They're not categorized by what they are, but by which theme they came from
(generally speaking - there are inconsistencies). So there are Town: City: Hospital
and Town: City: Airport but not Town: Doctor or Town: Pilot or Town: Plumber.
Creating new categories Ghost and Skeleton would be contrary to the current cataloging
system. I'm not saying it is a bad idea, but it would increase inconsistency
in the catalog. The other option for ghosts and skeletons would be to move them
into the individual themes from which they came (since my idea of Halloween doesn't
seem too popular).
In response to axaday's suggestion about moving zombies, I say look at this
page of zombies:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=M&q=zombie&catLike=W&itemBrand=1000&searchMethod=searchBoth
If we moved all the zombies into one place we'd be pulling them from these
categories:
Minecraft
Star Wars
Pirates of the Caribbean
Game
Scooby-Doo
Monster Fighters
Collectible Minifigures
Ghostbusters
Holiday
Once we did that, those categories would no longer be complete because that is
not the way minifigures are categorized. I thought it would be nice to keep
the ghosts and skeletons together, but I guess they really should be moved into
the themes from which they came (as nearly as possible). So that's the new
plan if no one objects.
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I always liked having the skeletons and ghosts in one place for ease of finding
them to collect (I am a horror hound), but I feel there current classification
was more based out of tradition than any policy.
It always felt weird to me that the ghosts from the Monster Fighters theme were
classified in (Other) away from all other Monster Fighters figures. So in this
case, if you are collecting Monster Fighters figures (like I did), you don't
see them all in one place.
Therefore, I am all for moving them into their themes where they occurred if
possible, such as those Monster Fighters ghosts. I do think there may be some
serious theme overlap for some of the early figures, though. Those are going
to be contentious, and a simple solution for some of them may not present itself.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 22:40 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | I do think there may be some serious theme overlap for some of the early figures, though. Those are going to be contentious, and a simple solution for some of them may not present itself.
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There really are no rules for categorizing minifigures, or at least none which
are written. For example, look at the minifigures included in this set and where
they were categorized:
Right now I'm just clearing out the (Other) category and not all solutions
will be perfect. Later on we can look at how all minifigures are categorized
and come up with standard practices for how it should be done.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 8, 2018 07:32 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Right now I'm just clearing out the (Other) category and not all solutions
will be perfect. Later on we can look at how all minifigures are categorized
and come up with standard practices for how it should be done.
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Ah, good point. Continue onward, my friend! We shall meet again!
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mhortar | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 14:13 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | Couldn't they just have their own separate categories: ghosts and skeletons?
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The short answer is yes. However, if you look at the minifigure overview page
you'll notice that minifigures are categorized by theme:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogTree.asp?itemBrand=1000&itemType=M
They're not categorized by what they are, but by which theme they came from
(generally speaking - there are inconsistencies). So there are Town: City: Hospital
and Town: City: Airport but not Town: Doctor or Town: Pilot or Town: Plumber.
Creating new categories Ghost and Skeleton would be contrary to the current cataloging
system. I'm not saying it is a bad idea, but it would increase inconsistency
in the catalog. The other option for ghosts and skeletons would be to move them
into the individual themes from which they came (since my idea of Halloween doesn't
seem too popular).
In response to axaday's suggestion about moving zombies, I say look at this
page of zombies:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=M&q=zombie&catLike=W&itemBrand=1000&searchMethod=searchBoth
If we moved all the zombies into one place we'd be pulling them from these
categories:
Minecraft
Star Wars
Pirates of the Caribbean
Game
Scooby-Doo
Monster Fighters
Collectible Minifigures
Ghostbusters
Holiday
Once we did that, those categories would no longer be complete because that is
not the way minifigures are categorized. I thought it would be nice to keep
the ghosts and skeletons together, but I guess they really should be moved into
the themes from which they came (as nearly as possible). So that's the new
plan if no one objects.
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It does seem like the only real option is to move each figure into it's 'source'
category. It's unfortunate that these type of figures (which can span categories)
can't belong to multiple categories, but that's a huge can of worms.
Josh
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 14:36 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I apologize that my remark looked like a suggestion. Of course zombies cannot
be lumped in with the dead. They are very clearly UNdead.
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In response to axaday's suggestion about moving zombies, I say look at this
page of zombies:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=M&q=zombie&catLike=W&itemBrand=1000&searchMethod=searchBoth
If we moved all the zombies into one place we'd be pulling them from these
categories:
Minecraft
Star Wars
Pirates of the Caribbean
Game
Scooby-Doo
Monster Fighters
Collectible Minifigures
Ghostbusters
Holiday
Once we did that, those categories would no longer be complete because that is
not the way minifigures are categorized. I thought it would be nice to keep
the ghosts and skeletons together, but I guess they really should be moved into
the themes from which they came (as nearly as possible). So that's the new
plan if no one objects.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 15:00 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I apologize that my remark looked like a suggestion. Of course zombies cannot
be lumped in with the dead. They are very clearly UNdead.
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That made my day!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 21:32 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I'd say go with a Skeleton & Ghost category, but retain the numbering system
with "Gen" (at least for now). Because many of these span multiple series, I
cannot see a better way to do it.
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| In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
| | I'd say go with a Skeleton & Ghost category, but retain the numbering system
with "Gen" (at least for now). Because many of these span multiple series, I
cannot see a better way to do it.
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That opens us up to a Construction Worker category and a Space Alien category
and a Race Car Driver category, etc., etc., etc. Writing those words gave me
an idea, though: I will ask to see how feasible it would be to include a second
list at the bottom of the minifigure page where figures are categorized by profession/appearance/clothing.
That would be quite convenient, I would imagine.
People can still use the keyword "ghost" to find all the ghosts in the catalog,
just as they can use the keyword "zombie" to find all the zombies in the catalog.
I was actually just now in the process of categorizing ghosts and skeletons.
I don't think there will be any significant problems from category overlap.
And yes, I'm leaving the item numbers alone.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 22:08 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | I will ask to see how feasible it would be to include a second
list at the bottom of the minifigure page where figures are categorized by profession/appearance/clothing.
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Meh. Ignore that. I was thinking of the list at the bottom of the Parts page
where you can see the categories of sticker sheets. I realize now how that data
is populated and it would take a whole lot of work to do something similar for
minifigures. Would be nice, but impractical.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Nov 7, 2018 14:29 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | Couldn't they just have their own separate categories: ghosts and skeletons?
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I agree. Exception or not
I would also create the Plain Torso category. Ok maybe thats going too far.
If reasonable is it possible to keep their bricklink reference (gen001 etc) though?
There's not much gain in changing them I'd think.
Thank you!
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| | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 9, 2018 00:27 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| I suggest a new category is created called 'Ephemera' and things like
competition forms and event guides from the ' (Other) ' category are
moved into there.
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Nov 9, 2018 00:52 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | I suggest a new category is created called 'Ephemera' and things like
competition forms and event guides from the ' (Other) ' category are
moved into there.
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Okay, so now we can discuss it properly.
As a quick update:
Parts are completely done.
Sets are done once the LEGO Brand categories can be used again (I still
need to know if LEGO World is an official LEGO event or not, though - so far
no one has answered).
Minifigures are done (with three exceptions) once the LEGO Brand categories
can be used.
Catalogs needed no work.
Books and Gear, then, are really the only things left. Books should
be easy, Gear not so much. It was the biggest (Other) group of all of them for
a reason. Still, I've knocked over 200 items off the (Other) list for gear.
There are 47 (Other) books and I really doubt anyone is going to care too much
where they go. These aren't exactly big sellers. I was thinking of moving
the competition forms to Gear. The Books section has gotten a little watered
down and forms which you fill out in hopes of winning a prize definitely aren't
books. I haven't thought about where they'd go once they get over to
Gear.
Ephemera, though, is a word not in common usage. I don't think it fits well
as a category with Bedding, Video Game, Storage, Magnet, Clock, and other common
words already used as categories. Not that it ain't a fun word, but I think
it's one of those somewhat esoteric words which would appeal primarily to
people with large vocabularies and discountenance everyone else by virtue of
its inscrutability.
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 9, 2018 09:42 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | I suggest a new category is created called 'Ephemera' and things like
competition forms and event guides from the ' (Other) ' category are
moved into there.
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I like to think that a have a rather large vocabulary, and even I had to go and
look up the meaning for 'ephemera'. If one needs to look up the definition
for a category name, then I think that is a good indicator that the name is too
obtuse. I think two new categories called 'Competition Forms' and 'Event
Guides' would be rather nice and simple.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | Author: | Lauren_Luke | | Posted: | Nov 9, 2018 00:31 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Once again I would first like to congratulate [StormChaser] and the community
on the progress made in the ' (Other) ' Category Project.
I would like to raise my points to a few things in clearing out the ' Gear
(Other) ' category:
[1] Accessory, Human Tool - Rip Cords
The ' Accessory, Human Tool ' category has been created and it blurs
the line between a Part and Gear. I guess we should wait until all part categories
have been properly defined, however, the category has already been created and
rip cords have already been added. Therefore I suggest we move these gear ...
[g=ripcordcover1][g=ripcordcover2]
... as parts in the ' Accessory, Human Tool ' category. Also rename
them
" Human Tool, Rip Cord Handle Cover in Flexible Rubber with Lion Head for Chima
Speedorz "
and
" Human Tool, Rip Cord Handle Cover in Flexible Rubber with Crocodile Head for
Chima Speedorz "
, respectively.
This leaves ...
... which under the Human Tool definition should be sets and not gear.
[2] Accessory, Human Tool - Ruler
For the same reason as above, I suggest we merge the ruler set inventory with
the ruler (see also https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1060834). So merge
...
... into ...
[p=bb342]
So in the same manner gear ...
...should become a set.
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| | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 9, 2018 09:45 | | Subject: | Re: Second Catalog Project Underway | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Lauren_Luke writes:
| | [1] Accessory, Human Tool - Rip Cords
The ' Accessory, Human Tool ' category has been created and it blurs
the line between a Part and Gear. I guess we should wait until all part categories
have been properly defined, however, the category has already been created and
rip cords have already been added. Therefore I suggest we move these gear ...
[g=ripcordcover1][g=ripcordcover2]
... as parts in the ' Accessory, Human Tool ' category. Also rename
them
" Human Tool, Rip Cord Handle Cover in Flexible Rubber with Lion Head for Chima
Speedorz "
and
" Human Tool, Rip Cord Handle Cover in Flexible Rubber with Crocodile Head for
Chima Speedorz "
, respectively.
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I like this idea. Seconded.
Cheers,
Randy
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