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| | | Author: | runner.caller  | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 09:02 | | Subject: | 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 229 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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| | | | | Author: | uvt203 | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 09:15 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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I fully agree. However I chose to do the work and spent almost 2 hours going
through all my flags, separate them and relist as A or B. And again the much
too slow update on Brickstock made it impossible to use that handy programme.
And all this for just such an irrelevant mould difference! Please don't come
up with more of these!
/Asger
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| | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 09:24 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, uvt203 writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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I fully agree. However I chose to do the work and spent almost 2 hours going
through all my flags, separate them and relist as A or B. And again the much
too slow update on Brickstock made it impossible to use that handy programme.
And all this for just such an irrelevant mould difference! Please don't come
up with more of these!
/Asger
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Other users wanted it to be separeted 
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1024776
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090308
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Dino | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 09:36 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, uvt203 writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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I fully agree. However I chose to do the work and spent almost 2 hours going
through all my flags, separate them and relist as A or B. And again the much
too slow update on Brickstock made it impossible to use that handy programme.
And all this for just such an irrelevant mould difference! Please don't come
up with more of these!
/Asger
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Other users wanted it to be separeted
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1024776
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090308
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And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 10:14 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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I for one would appreciate it if you kept things civilized. Is it really necessary
to start calling names?
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Dino | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 10:21 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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I for one would appreciate it if you kept things civilized. Is it really necessary
to start calling names?
Niek.
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Sometimes, yes.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 10:35 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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I for one would appreciate it if you kept things civilized. Is it really necessary
to start calling names?
Niek.
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Sometimes, yes.
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I see this name calling getting to be the norm in Internet conversations. To
me, people resorting to name calling admit defeat.
I thought (rather innocently I fear) that we in the BL forum could show some
restraint and be more civilized and have normal discussions, but it looks like
I am mistaken.
Sad.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Dino | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 10:39 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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I for one would appreciate it if you kept things civilized. Is it really necessary
to start calling names?
Niek.
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Sometimes, yes.
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I see this name calling getting to be the norm in Internet conversations. To
me, people resorting to name calling admit defeat.
I thought (rather innocently I fear) that we in the BL forum could show some
restraint and be more civilized and have normal discussions, but it looks like
I am mistaken.
Sad.
Niek.
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That has nothing to do with the internet. I would call you a clown too when you
are sitting in front of me and you did the same.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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I for one would appreciate it if you kept things civilized. Is it really necessary
to start calling names?
Niek.
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Sometimes, yes.
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I see this name calling getting to be the norm in Internet conversations. To
me, people resorting to name calling admit defeat.
I thought (rather innocently I fear) that we in the BL forum could show some
restraint and be more civilized and have normal discussions, but it looks like
I am mistaken.
Sad.
Niek.
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That has nothing to do with the internet. I would call you a clown too when you
are sitting in front of me and you did the same.
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Like I said, sad.
And FYI - if you were to check, item 4495 is in the catalog. I am not sure if
they put it back or if it never left, but right now it is there. If they put
it back, it would be nice of you to acknowledge that.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 14:14 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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I for one would appreciate it if you kept things civilized. Is it really necessary
to start calling names?
Niek.
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Sometimes, yes.
|
I see this name calling getting to be the norm in Internet conversations. To
me, people resorting to name calling admit defeat.
I thought (rather innocently I fear) that we in the BL forum could show some
restraint and be more civilized and have normal discussions, but it looks like
I am mistaken.
Sad.
Niek.
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That has nothing to do with the internet. I would call you a clown too when you
are sitting in front of me and you did the same.
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Like I said, sad.
And FYI - if you were to check, item 4495 is in the catalog. I am not sure if
they put it back or if it never left, but right now it is there. If they put
it back, it would be nice of you to acknowledge that.
Niek.
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It's marked for deletion tho..
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 15:10 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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I for one would appreciate it if you kept things civilized. Is it really necessary
to start calling names?
Niek.
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Sometimes, yes.
|
I see this name calling getting to be the norm in Internet conversations. To
me, people resorting to name calling admit defeat.
I thought (rather innocently I fear) that we in the BL forum could show some
restraint and be more civilized and have normal discussions, but it looks like
I am mistaken.
Sad.
Niek.
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That has nothing to do with the internet. I would call you a clown too when you
are sitting in front of me and you did the same.
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Like I said, sad.
And FYI - if you were to check, item 4495 is in the catalog. I am not sure if
they put it back or if it never left, but right now it is there. If they put
it back, it would be nice of you to acknowledge that.
Niek.
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It's marked for deletion tho..
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... and that is normal procedure, nothing new. See here for a list of all items
currently marked for deletion (several of them now have more distinctive mould
variants):
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?itemObsolete=Y&v=3
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 22:12 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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I for one would appreciate it if you kept things civilized. Is it really necessary
to start calling names?
Niek.
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Sometimes, yes.
|
I see this name calling getting to be the norm in Internet conversations. To
me, people resorting to name calling admit defeat.
I thought (rather innocently I fear) that we in the BL forum could show some
restraint and be more civilized and have normal discussions, but it looks like
I am mistaken.
Sad.
Niek.
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That has nothing to do with the internet. I would call you a clown too when you
are sitting in front of me and you did the same.
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Like I said, sad.
And FYI - if you were to check, item 4495 is in the catalog. I am not sure if
they put it back or if it never left, but right now it is there. If they put
it back, it would be nice of you to acknowledge that.
Niek.
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It's marked for deletion tho..
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... and that is normal procedure, nothing new. See here for a list of all items
currently marked for deletion (several of them now have more distinctive mould
variants):
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?itemObsolete=Y&v=3
Niek.
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What's your argument then in saying that "it would be nice of him to acknowledge
that it's in the catalog" stating that it's in the catalog currently
all matter of factly is pointless if it's marked for deletion. The other
user was saying they should leave undetermined as a permanent option.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 22:51 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
|
I for one would appreciate it if you kept things civilized. Is it really necessary
to start calling names?
Niek.
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Sometimes, yes.
|
I see this name calling getting to be the norm in Internet conversations. To
me, people resorting to name calling admit defeat.
I thought (rather innocently I fear) that we in the BL forum could show some
restraint and be more civilized and have normal discussions, but it looks like
I am mistaken.
Sad.
Niek.
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That has nothing to do with the internet. I would call you a clown too when you
are sitting in front of me and you did the same.
|
Like I said, sad.
And FYI - if you were to check, item 4495 is in the catalog. I am not sure if
they put it back or if it never left, but right now it is there. If they put
it back, it would be nice of you to acknowledge that.
Niek.
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It's marked for deletion tho..
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... and that is normal procedure, nothing new. See here for a list of all items
currently marked for deletion (several of them now have more distinctive mould
variants):
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?itemObsolete=Y&v=3
Niek.
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What's your argument then in saying that "it would be nice of him to acknowledge
that it's in the catalog" stating that it's in the catalog currently
all matter of factly is pointless if it's marked for deletion.
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If you read back, the literal post was: “And which clown decide to delet the
origin entry?”. The entry is not deleted, it is marked for deletion. Big difference.
| | The other
user was saying they should leave undetermined as a permanent option.
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I have no objection to that at all. What I object to (and I thought I was pretty
clear) is the unnecessary name calling.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | uvt203 | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 10:31 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, uvt203 writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
|
I fully agree. However I chose to do the work and spent almost 2 hours going
through all my flags, separate them and relist as A or B. And again the much
too slow update on Brickstock made it impossible to use that handy programme.
And all this for just such an irrelevant mould difference! Please don't come
up with more of these!
/Asger
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Other users wanted it to be separeted
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1024776
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090308
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And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 13:27 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, uvt203 writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
|
I fully agree. However I chose to do the work and spent almost 2 hours going
through all my flags, separate them and relist as A or B. And again the much
too slow update on Brickstock made it impossible to use that handy programme.
And all this for just such an irrelevant mould difference! Please don't come
up with more of these!
/Asger
|
Other users wanted it to be separeted
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1024776
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090308
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And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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We're not going to have a catalog stuffed with undetermined entries. When
a decision is made to split an entry, the original one has to go. We plan to
move this process along much faster, btw, than in the past. Six months is plenty
of time for sellers to move their stock, not the years and years that is has
taken in the past.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | edeevo | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 14:17 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
[SNIP]
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And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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We're not going to have a catalog stuffed with undetermined entries. When
a decision is made to split an entry, the original one has to go. We plan to
move this process along much faster, btw, than in the past. Six months is plenty
of time for sellers to move their stock, not the years and years that is has
taken in the past.
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Except that the problem with doing this (removing the undetermined entry) will
only cause many Sellers to list either/or version of the flag into either/or
entry... meaning that they will continue to not make a distinction between the
two, but list them in one of the two available entries (and *maybe* leaving a
note stating that they "do not distinguish between versions of this part" if
you're lucky)... In other words, you may think you will not have a catalog
"stuffed with undetermined entries", but the two catalog entries will actually
be stuffed with items that are really undetermined (i.e. if the goal was to force
Sellers into listing their items into the appropriate catalog entries, this will
not fix that... many still list similar items in one category or another without
an undetermined entry)...
To be clear, I will more than likely separate each of the flags in my inventory,
to maintain consistency in having my listings correctly identified... but having
been a Buyer from numerous Sellers with the same sort of parts, I can confidently
say I am one of the rare Sellers that does make those distinctions; hence the
problem I identified above...
Life is Good.
~Ed.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 15:19 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, edeevo writes:
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Except that the problem with doing this (removing the undetermined entry) will
only cause many Sellers to list either/or version of the flag into either/or
entry... meaning that they will continue to not make a distinction between the
two, but list them in one of the two available entries (and *maybe* leaving a
note stating that they "do not distinguish between versions of this part" if
you're lucky)... In other words, you may think you will not have a catalog
"stuffed with undetermined entries", but the two catalog entries will actually
be stuffed with items that are really undetermined (i.e. if the goal was to force
Sellers into listing their items into the appropriate catalog entries, this will
not fix that... many still list similar items in one category or another without
an undetermined entry)...
To be clear, I will more than likely separate each of the flags in my inventory,
to maintain consistency in having my listings correctly identified... but having
been a Buyer from numerous Sellers with the same sort of parts, I can confidently
say I am one of the rare Sellers that does make those distinctions; hence the
problem I identified above...
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Thing is, if there were an “Undetermined LEGO Part” entry, some sellers would
use it to list all their parts 
(Well, maybe they would need two entries: one for cheap parts and one for expensive
parts  )
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | edeevo | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 16:01 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, edeevo writes:
| | […]
Except that the problem with doing this (removing the undetermined entry) will
only cause many Sellers to list either/or version of the flag into either/or
entry... meaning that they will continue to not make a distinction between the
two, but list them in one of the two available entries (and *maybe* leaving a
note stating that they "do not distinguish between versions of this part" if
you're lucky)... In other words, you may think you will not have a catalog
"stuffed with undetermined entries", but the two catalog entries will actually
be stuffed with items that are really undetermined (i.e. if the goal was to force
Sellers into listing their items into the appropriate catalog entries, this will
not fix that... many still list similar items in one category or another without
an undetermined entry)...
To be clear, I will more than likely separate each of the flags in my inventory,
to maintain consistency in having my listings correctly identified... but having
been a Buyer from numerous Sellers with the same sort of parts, I can confidently
say I am one of the rare Sellers that does make those distinctions; hence the
problem I identified above...
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Thing is, if there were an “Undetermined LEGO Part” entry, some sellers would
use it to list all their parts
(Well, maybe they would need two entries: one for cheap parts and one for expensive
parts )
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I don't see the point in mocking the issue I raised: the fact is that many
Sellers will not list each flag correctly... all that will happen is the shifting
of "undetermined" from the catalog entry to the actual parts entered into the
two catalog entries; which makes the catalog look good and clean, but not accurate
for Buyers... which is why I typically turn to other resources now when I am
looking to buy specific variants of parts, because I cannot rely on many Bricklink
Sellers to make distinctions between the variants, and it makes finding the ones
that do very difficult... when there is an "undetermined" catalog entry, it at
least gives many Sellers a chance to list all their specific parts (regardless
of variant) in one place, and doesn't clutter up the *actual* variant entries
with a ton of undetermined items...
This is not even addressing the Sellers that only place their undetermined items
into the more expensive variant entries, then add a note stating that they "don't
distinguish between variants"... not only does that negatively affect the catalog
and price guide, it creates a situation where it makes wanted lists problematic
(i.e. they will not distinguish between stores that do separate variants and
ones that simply put all of them into one variant with a note)...
I am not saying I know what a good solution would be to this, but I do see the
above problems with adding two variant catalog entries, whilst simultaneously
removing the undetermined one... and hopefully, I'm not just screaming into
the abyss on this one (I've been known to do that)...
Life is Good.
~Ed.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 16:57 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, edeevo writes:
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I don't see the point in mocking the issue I raised:
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The point wasn’t mocking the issue you raised, it was just a jest around the
admins’ argument in this recurring discussion, both to present it and to “mock”
it, because, frankly, both sides are right (or are they both wrong?).
Anyway, the only half-solution I see (and that solution is not new and shows
up as often as this problem is raised in one form or another) that could please
and help both sellers and buyers a bit more than what we have now is to have
a system where variants could be merged (in a “undetermined” upper-level part
or in some kind of group). Sellers and buyers could choose to differentiate
or not. Buyers would be presented with XXX*, XXXa, or XXXb when they say they
want XXX*, but not with XXX* if they want XXXa.
Notwithstanding the many technical and especially UI problems (How to present
this so that newbies understand?), the problem would also then be with the “Price
Guide Which is Not a Guide but Which is Used as One” (Where do you place sales
for XXX*? Are sales for XXXa and XXXb also included in XXX*?…).
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | Anyway, the only half-solution I see (and that solution is not new and shows
up as often as this problem is raised in one form or another) that could please
and help both sellers and buyers a bit more than what we have now is to have
a system where variants could be merged (in a “undetermined” upper-level part
or in some kind of group). Sellers and buyers could choose to differentiate
or not. Buyers would be presented with XXX*, XXXa, or XXXb when they say they
want XXX*, but not with XXX* if they want XXXa.
Notwithstanding the many technical and especially UI problems (How to present
this so that newbies understand?), the problem would also then be with the “Price
Guide Which is Not a Guide but Which is Used as One” (Where do you place sales
for XXX*? Are sales for XXXa and XXXb also included in XXX*?…).
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I suggested that to Alice a few years ago at Brickworld. Recently I learned
that to say it was not well received at BL headquarters would be on par with
saying that the sun is a bit toasty.
Variants are a necessary evil, because in many cases they are exclusive to old
and rare sets, and in many other cases they are critical to certain building
techniques and if Mark Twain orders lightning, he's more likely to receive
a bag full of lightning bugs.
But, when you get right down to it, in many cases, a buyer seriously doesn't
care which of two variants they receive. You can add them as separate entries
to a Wanted List, but then they search as two unrelated parts. Merging everything
into a single category with checkboxes to flag for specific variants on the Seller
end of things, and giving Buyers the option to use those same checkboxes to flag
for which of the variants they're okay with buying would save everyone so
much trouble. Buyers could have a single entry pick up one or more specific
variants, or _all_ variants (including Undetermined).
It would have major obvious benefits. Sellers would be forced to pick one of
the variants (or Undetermined) when listing parts, so right there you would eliminate
parts being mislisted because the Seller was simply unaware that there were other
variants for that part. You'd always have an Undetermined option for Sellers
who don't want to deal with making positive IDs on hundreds of Used parts,
so you'd eliminate the need to list with "I don't sort these" clarifiers
in the notes, which means no more getting blindsided by buying Variant B and
getting a mix of whatever (something which will absolutely become a headache
for BL with the new single-cart mobile platform). New variants could be added
without forcing everyone to shuffle their inventory to new listings. And for
Buyers who want to be a little selective about which variants they receive, but
are open to at least two of the available options, it will streamline one of
the most unpleasant processes you can currently find yourself dealing with while
trying to place orders.
But, it will apparently screw up the cumbersome elegance of the way the catalog
is currently organized, so for now it's slightly less welcome than a cockroach
on a wedding cake.
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| In Catalog, PurpleDave writes:
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I've been studying the ebb and flow of BrickLink entries for years, and one
thing I'm quite sure of is that providing an undetermined entry does not
equate to an environment with no listing errors. In theory, yes, you would be
providing a choice for everyone, but in reality it does not work that way.
This tile entry was recently marked for deletion so it's pretty much in the
same state now, maybe a few less listings. Compare it to the other two determined
entries:
3069 = 580
3069a = 1093
3069b = 64,451
A couple of points - if undetermined entries are such a great thing, why doesn't
3069 have 64,000 listings instead of 3069b?
And further, how many of those 64,000 do you think are currently wrong?
A number of factors go into sellers' decisions to list in certain locations.
For example, sellers have openly stated in the Forum that they feel uneasy listing
under an entry that is not attached to inventories. Other sellers will list where
the price happens to be higher. In other cases, sellers will list where there
are more listings and more wanted lists, so their own listings will gain more
exposure.
And there are other factors. If 95% of the buyers really don't care, what
is the concern over the other 5%? I spoke with a large European seller recently
who said it was less expensive for them to solve a small percent of problem orders
than to worry about correct listings. So as a policy they *never* sort any variants
- they simply download the BrickLink inventory into customized software and go
with whatever is listed in the Regular section, regardless of whether it's
a, b, or undetermined.
My point is that by adding the extra complexity of an undetermined entry, you're
just complicating life for pretty much everyone involved, including new buyers
who have enough of a learning curve to get over without learning what "undetermined"
means.
Undetermined entries *are* good for something, though. We keep them in inventories
until we find an exact variant, so as long as Lego keeps crafting these variants,
we will have undetermined entries in the catalog. Pretty much means as a concept
they are not going away.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2018 04:29 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, PurpleDave writes:
| | It would have major obvious benefits.
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I've been studying the ebb and flow of BrickLink entries for years, and one
thing I'm quite sure of is that providing an undetermined entry does not
equate to an environment with no listing errors. In theory, yes, you would be
providing a choice for everyone, but in reality it does not work that way.
This tile entry was recently marked for deletion so it's pretty much in the
same state now, maybe a few less listings. Compare it to the other two determined
entries:
3069 = 580
3069a = 1093
3069b = 64,451
A couple of points - if undetermined entries are such a great thing, why doesn't
3069 have 64,000 listings instead of 3069b?
And further, how many of those 64,000 do you think are currently wrong?
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3069 is probably not the best example because the 3069a variant has not been
in production since around 40 years ago. So probably very few of those 64,000
lisitings are wrong. More recent variants like 3794a/3794b/15573 are more likely
to have wrong listings from sellers parting out sets and just listing their jumper
plates under the entry for the variant that is in the regular section of the
set inventory.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | NelisSolis | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 15:04 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Russell,
will there be (or maybe there is already) some warning for sellers before an
undetermined variant is deleted? If I remember correctly, previously I received
a notification about items marked for deletion, but for the flags I didn't
receive such kind of notification.
Or has Bricklink now taken the point of view that a seller should frequently,
proactively check his inventory for these kind of random, unexpected changes
in the catalog?
Niels
NelisSolis Toys
In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, uvt203 writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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I fully agree. However I chose to do the work and spent almost 2 hours going
through all my flags, separate them and relist as A or B. And again the much
too slow update on Brickstock made it impossible to use that handy programme.
And all this for just such an irrelevant mould difference! Please don't come
up with more of these!
/Asger
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Other users wanted it to be separeted
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1024776
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090308
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And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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We're not going to have a catalog stuffed with undetermined entries. When
a decision is made to split an entry, the original one has to go. We plan to
move this process along much faster, btw, than in the past. Six months is plenty
of time for sellers to move their stock, not the years and years that is has
taken in the past.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 15:12 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Marked for deletion only means that you can no longer sell under that catalog
entry. Unless a policy changes, this flag will likely take a long time (a decade?)
before inventory runs out and it is able to be deleted.
In Catalog, NelisSolis writes:
| | Russell,
will there be (or maybe there is already) some warning for sellers before an
undetermined variant is deleted? If I remember correctly, previously I received
a notification about items marked for deletion, but for the flags I didn't
receive such kind of notification.
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| In Catalog, tEoS writes:
| | Marked for deletion only means that you can no longer sell under that catalog
entry. Unless a policy changes, this flag will likely take a long time (a decade?)
before inventory runs out and it is able to be deleted.
In Catalog, NelisSolis writes:
| | Russell,
will there be (or maybe there is already) some warning for sellers before an
undetermined variant is deleted? If I remember correctly, previously I received
a notification about items marked for deletion, but for the flags I didn't
receive such kind of notification.
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1099822
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Cob | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 17:30 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| This item has been marked for deletion since 2011. I wouldn't get in a hurry
to fix these flags to adjust for the correct wave.
In Catalog, tEoS writes:
| | Marked for deletion only means that you can no longer sell under that catalog
entry. Unless a policy changes, this flag will likely take a long time (a decade?)
before inventory runs out and it is able to be deleted.
In Catalog, NelisSolis writes:
| | Russell,
will there be (or maybe there is already) some warning for sellers before an
undetermined variant is deleted? If I remember correctly, previously I received
a notification about items marked for deletion, but for the flags I didn't
receive such kind of notification.
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In Catalog, Cob writes:
| | This item has been marked for deletion since 2011. I wouldn't get in a hurry
to fix these flags to adjust for the correct wave.
In Catalog, tEoS writes:
| | Marked for deletion only means that you can no longer sell under that catalog
entry. Unless a policy changes, this flag will likely take a long time (a decade?)
before inventory runs out and it is able to be deleted.
In Catalog, NelisSolis writes:
| | Russell,
will there be (or maybe there is already) some warning for sellers before an
undetermined variant is deleted? If I remember correctly, previously I received
a notification about items marked for deletion, but for the flags I didn't
receive such kind of notification.
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| In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
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And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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Probably this one:
But to be fair, it just as easily could have been:
or maybe even
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 19:52 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Proprietor writes:
| | In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
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And which clown decide to delet the origin entry?
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Probably this one:
But to be fair, it just as easily could have been:
or maybe even
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Wrong on all counts. It was actually
You can see him sticking his tongue out at everyone for the silliness this causes
among adults discussing a toy.
Randy
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, uvt203 writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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I fully agree. However I chose to do the work and spent almost 2 hours going
through all my flags, separate them and relist as A or B. And again the much
too slow update on Brickstock made it impossible to use that handy programme.
And all this for just such an irrelevant mould difference! Please don't come
up with more of these!
/Asger
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Other users wanted it to be separeted
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1024776
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090308
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personally, I like the new change. Bricklink should be as accurate as possible.
Like the new baby head I ordered 2 of this head and received this
head: [P=bb851pb01] I wanted the older head so I would be able to tell apart
my babies better! Just like the flags, LEGO does not differentiate the baby
heads and as far as I know, nobody complained about the new baby head catalog
entry. I just added a new mould of a Pretzel with Flat Bottom to the catalog.
i hope nobody has a bird over this!
Rainey
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| In Catalog, Rainey writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, uvt203 writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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I fully agree. However I chose to do the work and spent almost 2 hours going
through all my flags, separate them and relist as A or B. And again the much
too slow update on Brickstock made it impossible to use that handy programme.
And all this for just such an irrelevant mould difference! Please don't come
up with more of these!
/Asger
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Other users wanted it to be separeted
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1024776
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1090308
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personally, I like the new change. Bricklink should be as accurate as possible.
Like the new baby head I ordered 2 of this head and received this
head: [P=bb851pb01] I wanted the older head so I would be able to tell apart
my babies better! Just like the flags, LEGO does not differentiate the baby
heads and as far as I know, nobody complained about the new baby head catalog
entry. I just added a new mould of a Pretzel with Flat Bottom to the catalog.
i hope nobody has a bird over this!
Rainey
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The baby head and pretzel pieces are probably more valuable and worth the time
to differentiate than a borderline worthless flag piece.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Canisuis | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 11:55 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | And all this for just such an irrelevant mould difference! Please don't come
up with more of these!
/Asger
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Amen.
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| In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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Really should have at least put the "undetermined" option for this.
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| In Catalog, pitz8008 writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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Really should have at least put the "undetermined" option for this.
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Yeah, I think the inventories should be corrected to specific flags, but I think
this is probably a case where the undetermined wouldn't need to be deleted.
A majority of the market will not care which way the flag is waving.
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A majority of the market will not care which way the flag is waving.
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Besides the date accuracy, they are often used in pairs, and it’s really not
aesthetic not to have both flames of a pair bending the same way.
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| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, pitz8008 writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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Really should have at least put the "undetermined" option for this.
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Yeah, I think the inventories should be corrected to specific flags, but I think
this is probably a case where the undetermined wouldn't need to be deleted.
A majority of the market will not care which way the flag is waving.
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The additional key point on this is that the undetermined is an accurate representation
for inventories where both have appeared. Counterpart is fine to an extent, but
gives the impression that it should be one over the other, where in reality it
does not matter to most buyers of a set and did not matter to TLG when they changed
the mold
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| | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 16:06 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, pitz8008 writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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Really should have at least put the "undetermined" option for this.
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I concur. I will not be wasting my time examining each one for catalog compliance.
If the PTB wishes to remove the lots, then so be it.
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| In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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Believe it or not, the marketplace is actually the driver of these decisions.
One of the ways to measure the value of a new set of entries like this is to
see how many sellers quickly list under the new entry and help to fill out the
inventories.
This is one of the easiest mold differences to see, and when the inventories
are filled in completely, some colors likely will only be in one or the other
color, further helping people sort the part.
The main problem is when a buyer goes to fill out an old set (prior to 2004)
and they purchase a newer type flag on BrickLink. People who know older Lego
can spot the wrong type of flag from 10 feet away - this isn't a case of
one or the other type of axle holes, which are seldom exposed on a model to the
extent that a flag is.
And by the looks of things, the old type (left) has faded out and the flags you
will get in sets today are all the (right) type. If we do our job well with the
set inventories, parts listed with the partout feature will be pretty accurate
without a lot of manual sorting.
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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Believe it or not, the marketplace is actually the driver of these decisions.
One of the ways to measure the value of a new set of entries like this is to
see how many sellers quickly list under the new entry and help to fill out the
inventories.
This is one of the easiest mold differences to see, and when the inventories
are filled in completely, some colors likely will only be in one or the other
color, further helping people sort the part.
The main problem is when a buyer goes to fill out an old set (prior to 2004)
and they purchase a newer type flag on BrickLink. People who know older Lego
can spot the wrong type of flag from 10 feet away - this isn't a case of
one or the other type of axle holes, which are seldom exposed on a model to the
extent that a flag is.
And by the looks of things, the old type (left) has faded out and the flags you
will get in sets today are all the (right) type. If we do our job well with the
set inventories, parts listed with the partout feature will be pretty accurate
without a lot of manual sorting.
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All of the inventory changes being accepted seem to be lumping all left-hand
flags pre-2008 and all right-hand flags 2008-present, not around 2004 as you
say in your post. Are we sure the mold was changed at an exact point for these
flags? Are all of these sets being checked or just being changed on a whim? There
must have been an overlap in mold type somewhere.
Randy
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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Believe it or not, the marketplace is actually the driver of these decisions.
One of the ways to measure the value of a new set of entries like this is to
see how many sellers quickly list under the new entry and help to fill out the
inventories.
This is one of the easiest mold differences to see, and when the inventories
are filled in completely, some colors likely will only be in one or the other
color, further helping people sort the part.
The main problem is when a buyer goes to fill out an old set (prior to 2004)
and they purchase a newer type flag on BrickLink. People who know older Lego
can spot the wrong type of flag from 10 feet away - this isn't a case of
one or the other type of axle holes, which are seldom exposed on a model to the
extent that a flag is.
And by the looks of things, the old type (left) has faded out and the flags you
will get in sets today are all the (right) type. If we do our job well with the
set inventories, parts listed with the partout feature will be pretty accurate
without a lot of manual sorting.
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All of the inventory changes being accepted seem to be lumping all left-hand
flags pre-2008 and all right-hand flags 2008-present, not around 2004 as you
say in your post. Are we sure the mold was changed at an exact point for these
flags? Are all of these sets being checked or just being changed on a whim? There
must have been an overlap in mold type somewhere.
Randy
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All of the changes so far are from sealed sources. We have not started to fill
in the gaps yet.
The year 2004 comes from the catalog note that states that the right-hand flags
were first mentioned in the BrickLink Forum around the time the Knights Kingdom
II theme was introduced. I don't see any reason to doubt that claim. More
than likely, both types of flags were used from 2004 through 2008.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 13:37 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | All of the changes so far are from sealed sources. We have not started to fill
in the gaps yet.
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So just to be clear, Elias has checked 273 sets, 3 books, and 14 gear from sealed
sources in a matter of hours?
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 13:43 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | All of the changes so far are from sealed sources. We have not started to fill
in the gaps yet.
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So just to be clear, Elias has checked 273 sets, 3 books, and 14 gear from sealed
sources in a matter of hours?
Randy
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I believe so. He started in last night about midnight California time.
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Well, then he must have a very large and wonderfully organized collection to
speed through the changes at the rate he has. Color me jealous.
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 13:57 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | All of the changes so far are from sealed sources. We have not started to fill
in the gaps yet.
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So just to be clear, Elias has checked 273 sets, 3 books, and 14 gear from sealed
sources in a matter of hours?
Randy
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I believe so. He started in last night about midnight California time.
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Well, then he must have a very large and wonderfully organized collection to
speed through the changes at the rate he has. Color me jealous.
Randy
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Some (and maybe a LOT of) sets had notes on the inventory showing which it was.
He may have been following those. When I saw what was going on this morning,
I updated the 3 that I was able to and on the last one I noticed the inventory
note agreeing with what I was putting in the request.
Alternately, this is obviously an issue elias3 cares about a lot. He may have
been keeping personal notes for a while in anticipation of this change going
through.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 16:10 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | Some (and maybe a LOT of) sets had notes on the inventory showing which it was.
He may have been following those. When I saw what was going on this morning,
I updated the 3 that I was able to and on the last one I noticed the inventory
note agreeing with what I was putting in the request.
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and this was the only one with a note in inventory about the flag  any
other today changed haven't note about it but I didn't checked these
which are still under undetermine entry
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Dino | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 13:57 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | All of the changes so far are from sealed sources. We have not started to fill
in the gaps yet.
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So just to be clear, Elias has checked 273 sets, 3 books, and 14 gear from sealed
sources in a matter of hours?
Randy
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I believe so. He started in last night about midnight California time.
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Well, then he must have a very large and wonderfully organized collection to
speed through the changes at the rate he has. Color me jealous.
Randy
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He only checked the pictures. Nothing else. Onley one set he own.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1099797
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 14:00 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | All of the changes so far are from sealed sources. We have not started to fill
in the gaps yet.
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So just to be clear, Elias has checked 273 sets, 3 books, and 14 gear from sealed
sources in a matter of hours?
Randy
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I believe so. He started in last night about midnight California time.
|
Well, then he must have a very large and wonderfully organized collection to
speed through the changes at the rate he has. Color me jealous.
Randy
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1077346
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 15:11 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | All of the changes so far are from sealed sources. We have not started to fill
in the gaps yet.
|
So just to be clear, Elias has checked 273 sets, 3 books, and 14 gear from sealed
sources in a matter of hours?
Randy
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I believe so. He started in last night about midnight California time.
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Well, then he must have a very large and wonderfully organized collection to
speed through the changes at the rate he has. Color me jealous.
Randy
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He is our top inventory verifier
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 16:04 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | All of the changes so far are from sealed sources. We have not started to fill
in the gaps yet.
|
So just to be clear, Elias has checked 273 sets, 3 books, and 14 gear from sealed
sources in a matter of hours?
Randy
|
I believe so. He started in last night about midnight California time.
|
Well, then he must have a very large and wonderfully organized collection to
speed through the changes at the rate he has. Color me jealous.
Randy
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He is our top inventory verifier
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Yeah, but over 500 of those are Collectible Minifigures or Advent Calendar subsets
verified, so it hardly shows a massive set collection. If I verified all of my
CMFs and AC subsets, I would easily be number two in that list.
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Aug 4, 2018 22:48 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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ID CardAdmin_Russell
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| Location: USA, California |
| Member Since |
Contact |
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Status |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | | | And by the looks of things, the old type (left) has faded out and the flags you
will get in sets today are all the (right) type. If we do our job well with the
set inventories, parts listed with the partout feature will be pretty accurate
without a lot of manual sorting.
|
All of the inventory changes being accepted seem to be lumping all left-hand
flags pre-2008 and all right-hand flags 2008-present, not around 2004 as you
say in your post. Are we sure the mold was changed at an exact point for these
flags? Are all of these sets being checked or just being changed on a whim? There
must have been an overlap in mold type somewhere.
|
I think you may be on to something. The first I can see of a newer flag in set
images is this from 2009:
The images on Brickset are big enough to see the flag in detail.
So perhaps there was a mistake in the catalog note that exchanged Knights Kingdom
II (2004-2006) for Fantasy Era castle (2007-2009). For now I have removed the
year (2004) since I had added that myself last week. Further corrections may
be forthcoming.
If the images switched in 2009, the parts might have first been released in 2008.
Although at the moment it looks as though 2009 is the first full year.
The catalog transition for this part has been incredibly fast, and I think we're
about ready to close out the two ends.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Aug 9, 2018 09:34 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | | | And by the looks of things, the old type (left) has faded out and the flags you
will get in sets today are all the (right) type. If we do our job well with the
set inventories, parts listed with the partout feature will be pretty accurate
without a lot of manual sorting.
|
All of the inventory changes being accepted seem to be lumping all left-hand
flags pre-2008 and all right-hand flags 2008-present, not around 2004 as you
say in your post. Are we sure the mold was changed at an exact point for these
flags? Are all of these sets being checked or just being changed on a whim? There
must have been an overlap in mold type somewhere.
|
I think you may be on to something. The first I can see of a newer flag in set
images is this from 2009:
The images on Brickset are big enough to see the flag in detail.
So perhaps there was a mistake in the catalog note that exchanged Knights Kingdom
II (2004-2006) for Fantasy Era castle (2007-2009). For now I have removed the
year (2004) since I had added that myself last week. Further corrections may
be forthcoming.
If the images switched in 2009, the parts might have first been released in 2008.
Although at the moment it looks as though 2009 is the first full year.
The catalog transition for this part has been incredibly fast, and I think we're
about ready to close out the two ends.
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You and others make some pretty good arguments here. I've had a change of
heart. I'm on board and agree with the need for 2 entries. Thanks for explaining
the transition.
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| | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Jul 30, 2018 22:33 | | Subject: | Re: 4495, now 4495a and 4495b | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | There is seriously a differentiation now between RH and LH on such an invaluable
part?
What a chore it would be to try to sort and separate them given they look so
similar at first glance. Won't have the time or inventory drawer space to
bother trying to separate these. Guess they will be going in the "do not sell"
pile.
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Believe it or not, the marketplace is actually the driver of these decisions.
One of the ways to measure the value of a new set of entries like this is to
see how many sellers quickly list under the new entry and help to fill out the
inventories.
This is one of the easiest mold differences to see, and when the inventories
are filled in completely, some colors likely will only be in one or the other
color, further helping people sort the part.
The main problem is when a buyer goes to fill out an old set (prior to 2004)
and they purchase a newer type flag on BrickLink. People who know older Lego
can spot the wrong type of flag from 10 feet away - this isn't a case of
one or the other type of axle holes, which are seldom exposed on a model to the
extent that a flag is.
And by the looks of things, the old type (left) has faded out and the flags you
will get in sets today are all the (right) type. If we do our job well with the
set inventories, parts listed with the partout feature will be pretty accurate
without a lot of manual sorting.
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That's all fine, but the marketplace will also drive the price of flags up.
There will be sellers like myself that no longer feel it is worth it to work
extra hard to identify a low value part. Therefore, the supply is going to drop
raising the flags value. Especially in the old rare colors and the sellers that
take the time should be compensated more for their efforts and the market will
pay them.
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