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 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Jul 16, 2018 22:17
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 183-1
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SezaR (1379)

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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V

* Delete 4 Part wheel2a Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor
* Delete 4 Part trainrim Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels
* Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked (for motor), with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2A / trainrim) {Counterpart to Regular}
* Change 4 Part Yellow {29 Window 1 x 1 x 2 to 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass}
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Jul 16, 2018 22:40
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 183-1
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The owner of the store Atoms & Bricks confirmed that the yellow windows have
glass. Note that his set is EVEN the later release since the wires have light
gray connectors.

I have also checked some used ones. All their windows have glass. (including
27c01)

Photos 2 and 3 belong to the store Bluxe.

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 183  Name: Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
* 
183-1 (Inv) Complete Train Set with Motor and Signal
183 Parts, 1976
Sets: Train: 4.5V

* Delete 4 Part wheel2a Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor
* Delete 4 Part trainrim Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels
* Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked (for motor), with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2A / trainrim) {Counterpart to Regular}
* Change 4 Part Yellow {29 Window 1 x 1 x 2 to 29c01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Glass}
 




 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Jul 19, 2018 15:24
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 183-1
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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  * Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked (for motor), with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2A / trainrim) {Counterpart to Regular}

From the pictures it looks like the crane hook may come fully assembled. If
so, then it should be handled in the inventory the same way as the wheels. Can
you determine how the crane hook comes assembled in the box?
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Jul 19, 2018 16:59
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SezaR (1379)

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The crane hook came assembled
The battery wagon came assembled with its roof

There was a previous discussion that the battery wagon should come assmebled
with its roof.

But then, what about the red car? Are we going to define a new item that is built
out of 45 parts (which comes with two wheels on the left side but the right wheels
comes separated in the inventory?)!

My suggestion: for the trains between 1971-79, leave everything as it is.
In particular, it is completely ok and even useful to clearly define and put
the battery wagons separated from their roof in the inventory.

In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  * Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked (for motor), with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2A / trainrim) {Counterpart to Regular}

From the pictures it looks like the crane hook may come fully assembled. If
so, then it should be handled in the inventory the same way as the wheels. Can
you determine how the crane hook comes assembled in the box?
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Jul 19, 2018 19:40
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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  The crane hook came assembled
The battery wagon came assembled with its roof

There was a previous discussion that the battery wagon should come assmebled
with its roof.

But then, what about the red car? Are we going to define a new item that is built
out of 45 parts (which comes with two wheels on the left side but the right wheels
comes separated in the inventory?)!

My suggestion: for the trains between 1971-79, leave everything as it is.
In particular, it is completely ok and even useful to clearly define and put
the battery wagons separated from their roof in the inventory.

In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  * Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked (for motor), with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2A / trainrim) {Counterpart to Regular}

From the pictures it looks like the crane hook may come fully assembled. If
so, then it should be handled in the inventory the same way as the wheels. Can
you determine how the crane hook comes assembled in the box?

I had this set growing up and can confirm that the train came fully assembled
except for the last car.

However, this set is a classic example of the exception listed in Help:

Part Assemblies - Part assemblies should be included in set inventories only
where the assemblies in question come pre-assembled in the set box. For example,
2429c01 should be included in set inventories rather than 2429 and 2430. There
are some special exceptions to this rule, such as certain large animal assemblies.
Another exception is when an item is pre-assembled for the purpose of box
display.


I do believe the winches/cranes of this period always came with string already
assembled, and the hook is a possibility as well. The one snag there is that
the left and right hooks seem to have been used interchangeably so we would need
two versions of every winch/crane.
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Jul 19, 2018 20:48
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  I had this set growing up and can confirm that ...

Unfortuntely, all I had was few random parts such as
 
Part No: 3176c01  Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with Hole (Train Coupler Closed) with Hook
* 
3176c01 Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with Hole (Train Coupler Closed) with Hook
Parts: Plate, Modified
,
 
Part No: wheel1a  Name: Train Wheel with 2 x 2 Stud Center, Traction Teeth
* 
wheel1a Train Wheel with 2 x 2 Stud Center, Traction Teeth
Parts: Wheel
One left curved
 
Part No: 3230a  Name: Train, Track Tapered Rail Curved Inside
* 
3230a Train, Track Tapered Rail Curved Inside
Parts: Train, Track
One straight blue
 
Part No: 3228a  Name: Train, Track Tapered Rail Straight 16L
* 
3228a Train, Track Tapered Rail Straight 16L
Parts: Train, Track

Four cross
 
Part No: 3231  Name: Train, Track 4.5V Crossing
* 
3231 Train, Track 4.5V Crossing
Parts: Train, Track
Nine points (left or right)
 
Part No: x878cx1  Name: Train, Track 4.5V Switch Point Left with White Ties
* 
x878cx1 Train, Track 4.5V Switch Point Left with White Ties
Parts: Train, Track

I leave it to you to imagine what type of train I could build having only these
parts. This was a kind of "child torture" but nobody's fault.


  I do believe the winches/cranes of this period always came with string already
assembled, and the hook is a possibility as well. The one snag there is that
the left and right hooks seem to have been used interchangeably so we would need
two versions of every winch/crane.

I have a photo of sealed 183. Yes, the hook came also assembled.