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| | | Author: | SezaR  | | Posted: | Jun 28, 2018 04:31 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3003 Black Brick 2 x 2
* Add 4 Part 3003old Black Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 6 Part 3003 Blue Brick 2 x 2
* Add 6 Part 3003old Blue Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 2 Part 3002 Blue Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Blue Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
* Delete 6 Part 3003 Red Brick 2 x 2
* Add 6 Part 3003old Red Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 2 Part 3002 Red Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Red Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
* Delete 4 Part 3003 White Brick 2 x 2
* Add 4 Part 3003old White Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 2 Part 3002 White Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old White Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
* Delete 5 Part 3003 Yellow Brick 2 x 2
* Add 5 Part 3003old Yellow Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 2 Part 3002 Yellow Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Yellow Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
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| | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jun 28, 2018 04:38 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| 1)The bricklink timeline of 1987 for 3002 and 3003 is artificial. This set is
from 1987.
2) It took me 5 hours and 52 minutes and 78 seconds to fill these inventory change
requests. If admin think that some bricks have cross supports, it is only 30$
to buy one copy from US (including shipping). Maybe that is less expensive than
any Duplo set?
In the photos (of two different sealed sets available on Ebay), we can see one
blue 3003old, one yellow 3003old and one red 3002old.
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3003 Black Brick 2 x 2
* Add 4 Part 3003old Black Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 6 Part 3003 Blue Brick 2 x 2
* Add 6 Part 3003old Blue Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 2 Part 3002 Blue Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Blue Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
* Delete 6 Part 3003 Red Brick 2 x 2
* Add 6 Part 3003old Red Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 2 Part 3002 Red Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Red Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
* Delete 4 Part 3003 White Brick 2 x 2
* Add 4 Part 3003old White Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 2 Part 3002 White Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old White Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
* Delete 5 Part 3003 Yellow Brick 2 x 2
* Add 5 Part 3003old Yellow Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 2 Part 3002 Yellow Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Yellow Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
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| | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2018 00:42 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| I have been thinking about this inventory change request and those for
from 1987 and
from 1982-86, concerning the bricks 3002old and 3003old.
Since the bricklink timeline (1987) for these bricks are artificial and I believe
they are wrong as I only have evidence that the first 3002 and 3003 appeared
after 1990, I think we should change these bricks to 3002old and 3003old at least
for these sets because we have evidence that they are the old version for some
colors so we have some reason to switch the others to the old version, but we
don't have any evidence to keep the later variants 3002 and 3003 on this
sets, do we?
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | 1)The bricklink timeline of 1987 for 3002 and 3003 is artificial. This set is
from 1987.
2) It took me 5 hours and 52 minutes and 78 seconds to fill these inventory change
requests. If admin think that some bricks have cross supports, it is only 30$
to buy one copy from US (including shipping). Maybe that is less expensive than
any Duplo set?
In the photos (of two different sealed sets available on Ebay), we can see one
blue 3003old, one yellow 3003old and one red 3002old.
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3003 Black Brick 2 x 2
* Add 4 Part 3003old Black Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 6 Part 3003 Blue Brick 2 x 2
* Add 6 Part 3003old Blue Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 2 Part 3002 Blue Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Blue Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
* Delete 6 Part 3003 Red Brick 2 x 2
* Add 6 Part 3003old Red Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 2 Part 3002 Red Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Red Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
* Delete 4 Part 3003 White Brick 2 x 2
* Add 4 Part 3003old White Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 2 Part 3002 White Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old White Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
* Delete 5 Part 3003 Yellow Brick 2 x 2
* Add 5 Part 3003old Yellow Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
* Delete 2 Part 3002 Yellow Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Yellow Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2018 02:43 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | 2) It took me 5 hours and 52 minutes and 78 seconds to fill these inventory change
requests.
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I trust that is not an accurate measurement of the time it took. If so, we must
scrap our current change request form immediately!
| | If admin think that some bricks have cross supports, it is only 30$
to buy one copy from US (including shipping). Maybe that is less expensive than
any Duplo set?
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True, this set is not expensive. However, it sounds like you're suggesting
I should buy this set to verify its contents. Unfortunately, my friend, I am
not a wealthy person by any means. Although I have bought sets in the past solely
to create an inventory for BrickLink, I don't typically do so just for the
purpose of confirming variants. Period-specific variants are a collector's
game and I'll leave that effort to them.
However, I've often thought it would be wise for BrickLink to have its own
vault of new LEGO sets for reference purposes. By my very rough calculations
it would take somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5M USD to purchase a new copy
of every LEGO set ever made.
Using calculations of which I am much more confident, if I had $1.5M USD to spare
I certainly wouldn't be spending it on colorful plastic shapes. Therefore,
I can see why BrickLink wouldn't create its own vault.
| | In the photos (of two different sealed sets available on Ebay), we can see one
blue 3003old, one yellow 3003old and one red 3002old.
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I am still looking at these requests, but the very first picture I came across
showed an error in your requests. The yellow 2 x 2 brick indeed lacks inside
supports.
The same brick in white, however, is just up and to the left of the yellow brick
(photo attached). The cross supports are easily seen for the white brick. This
is a prime example of the mixing of variants in sets and why across-the-board
changes aren't always wise.
I'll approve the changes to the yellow 2 x 2 bricks and deny the changes
for the white 2 x 2 bricks.
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 4 Part 3003 White Brick 2 x 2
* Add 4 Part 3003old White Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
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| | | | * Delete 5 Part 3003 Yellow Brick 2 x 2
* Add 5 Part 3003old Yellow Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2018 02:50 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | The cross supports are easily seen for the white brick.
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Correction: the word "cross" should be "inside."
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2018 02:57 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 13 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | The yellow 2 x 2 brick indeed lacks inside
supports.
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| | I'll approve the changes to the yellow 2 x 2 bricks
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Second correction for this posted message: the yellow 2 x 2 brick is the printed
brick with an eye and therefore does not count. So all I can say with certainty
as of this moment is that the white and blue 2 x 2 brick changes will be denied
as they are clearly incorrect.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2018 03:33 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | 2) It took me 5 hours and 52 minutes and 78 seconds to fill these inventory change
requests.
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I trust that is not an accurate measurement of the time it took. If so, we must
scrap our current change request form immediately!
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I trust that too. Sorry for my mistake. I checked it again. It was indeed 3 hours
and 37 minutes and 16 seconds!
| | | | If admin think that some bricks have cross supports, it is only 30$
to buy one copy from US (including shipping). Maybe that is less expensive than
any Duplo set?
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True, this set is not expensive. However, it sounds like you're suggesting
I should buy this set to verify its contents. Unfortunately, my friend, I am
not a wealthy person by any means. Although I have bought sets in the past solely
to create an inventory for BrickLink, I don't typically do so just for the
purpose of confirming variants. Period-specific variants are a collector's
game and I'll leave that effort to them.
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Completely understandable. But if you put it aside you comments in February concerning
the inventory change requests of 7735, then 35USD seems a cheap price:
| | (a) Leave it alone. If you can't confirm it, then let it go.
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| | (b) Buy the set, open it, and make the necessary corrections. I've bought
a fair number of sets, including some incredibly rare sets, solely for the purpose
of correcting/updating the BrickLink catalog. This was my most recent:
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1078512
| | Seeing all the photos which have recently surfaced of sealed train sets, I find
it difficult to understand why it would be difficult to locate some hard proof
for any change request for these sets. Some sets are practically impossible
to locate in brand new condition, or even used condition, but this does not appear
to be the case for 1980s train sets.
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1078312
| | | | In the photos (of two different sealed sets available on Ebay), we can see one
blue 3003old, one yellow 3003old and one red 3002old.
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I am still looking at these requests, but the very first picture I came across
showed an error in your requests. The yellow 2 x 2 brick indeed lacks inside
supports.
The same brick in white, however, is just up and to the left of the yellow brick
(photo attached). The cross supports are easily seen for the white brick. This
is a prime example of the mixing of variants in sets and why across-the-board
changes aren't always wise.
I'll approve the changes to the yellow 2 x 2 bricks and deny the changes
for the white 2 x 2 bricks.
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Maybe you already realized that this inventory change request was not to improve
its inventory but to understand the time the bricks 3002 and 3003 appeared for
the first time. Thanks for checking the photos more carefully than me. I missed
those cross supports. What we don't know is when this copy was released or
what years these sets(317, 327, 337) were released? Do you have US catalogs from
1987-92? In particular, we need the catalogs "a parent's guide to the Lego
system".
It seems to me that the sets 317, 327 and 337 were US-only inclusive. I only
found them in one US catalog from 1987. But I found a MISB copy of 327 together
with a catalog from 1989. The bricks are 3002 and 3003. However, I have seen
few copies of 7735 and 7745 from 1989 coming with 3002old and 3003old. So I think
the bricks 3002 and 3003 appeared in US earlier than in Europe.
The photos of the MISB 327 are attached.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2018 03:46 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | 2) It took me 5 hours and 52 minutes and 78 seconds to fill these inventory change
requests.
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I trust that is not an accurate measurement of the time it took. If so, we must
scrap our current change request form immediately!
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I trust that too. Sorry for my mistake. I checked it again. It was indeed 3 hours
and 37 minutes and 16 seconds!
| | | | If admin think that some bricks have cross supports, it is only 30$
to buy one copy from US (including shipping). Maybe that is less expensive than
any Duplo set?
|
True, this set is not expensive. However, it sounds like you're suggesting
I should buy this set to verify its contents. Unfortunately, my friend, I am
not a wealthy person by any means. Although I have bought sets in the past solely
to create an inventory for BrickLink, I don't typically do so just for the
purpose of confirming variants. Period-specific variants are a collector's
game and I'll leave that effort to them.
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Completely understandable. But if you put it aside you comments in February concerning
the inventory change requests of 7735, then 35USD seems a cheap price:
| | (a) Leave it alone. If you can't confirm it, then let it go.
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| | (b) Buy the set, open it, and make the necessary corrections. I've bought
a fair number of sets, including some incredibly rare sets, solely for the purpose
of correcting/updating the BrickLink catalog. This was my most recent:
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1078512
| | Seeing all the photos which have recently surfaced of sealed train sets, I find
it difficult to understand why it would be difficult to locate some hard proof
for any change request for these sets. Some sets are practically impossible
to locate in brand new condition, or even used condition, but this does not appear
to be the case for 1980s train sets.
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1078312
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I forgot to add: a MISB copy of 7735 is about 800 Euro and since this set comes
in variations, we would need 3 copies of it (assuming that we know in advance
what variation we are buyinh) 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2018 03:49 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I forgot to add: a MISB copy of 7735 is about 800 Euro and since this set comes
in variations, we would need 3 copies of it (assuming that we know in advance
what variation we are buyinh)
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I take it, then, that neither of us are wealthy and therefore must rely on the
kindness of strangers.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2018 04:59 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 13 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Do you remember that the quality of photos for a massive inv. change requests
of 7745 were excellent?
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1087052
Did I ever say how the qualities ended up being so good?
What is E&D?
I have heard of north-American S&H catalogs but I think it did never existed
elsewhere.
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I forgot to add: a MISB copy of 7735 is about 800 Euro and since this set comes
in variations, we would need 3 copies of it (assuming that we know in advance
what variation we are buyinh)
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I take it, then, that neither of us are wealthy and therefore must rely on the
kindness of strangers.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2018 05:21 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Did I ever say how the qualities ended up being so good?
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You did not, but I assumed it was someone who cared enough about the proper variants
to provide quality photos.
Educational and Dacta.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2018 05:31 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Did I ever say how the qualities ended up being so good?
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You did not, but I assumed it was someone who cared enough about the proper variants
to provide quality photos.
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He did not care at all. I paid him!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2018 07:17 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I forgot to add: a MISB copy of 7735 is about 800 Euro and since this set comes
in variations, we would need 3 copies of it (assuming that we know in advance
what variation we are buyinh)
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I take it, then, that neither of us are wealthy and therefore must rely on the
kindness of strangers.
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I am both wealthy and kind, but I am in it for the fame and glory and it isn't
clear to me how much of each I would get. I would feel a little guilt opening
a set that has been sealed for 30 years that may be someone's treasure some
day when there is nothing inside the box that someone has been wishing was available
on Bricklink.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2018 07:20 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 14 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | I forgot to add: a MISB copy of 7735 is about 800 Euro and since this set comes
in variations, we would need 3 copies of it (assuming that we know in advance
what variation we are buyinh)
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I take it, then, that neither of us are wealthy and therefore must rely on the
kindness of strangers.
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I am both wealthy and kind, but I am in it for the fame and glory and it isn't
clear to me how much of each I would get. I would feel a little guilt opening
a set that has been sealed for 30 years that may be someone's treasure some
day when there is nothing inside the box that someone has been wishing was available
on Bricklink.
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And I am more interested in coconut trees right now.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2018 03:47 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
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1987-92?
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No, my catalog collection is pretty much exclusively E&D. I have one or two
SaH catalogs, but none from that time period.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2018 02:49 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | * Delete 6 Part 3003 Blue Brick 2 x 2
* Add 6 Part 3003old Blue Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
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The inside supports are also evident for the blue bricks. These two requests
will not be approved. Photo attached.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2018 03:17 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | * Delete 4 Part 3003 Black Brick 2 x 2
* Add 4 Part 3003old Black Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
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It was impossible to determine anything about the black bricks in the set based
on the evidence given which was photos of sealed sets on eBay. These were not
approved.
| | * Delete 6 Part 3003 Blue Brick 2 x 2
* Add 6 Part 3003old Blue Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
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Evidence given proved these requests wrong. These were not approved.
| | * Delete 2 Part 3002 Blue Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Blue Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
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No blue 2 x 3 bricks were visible in the evidence supplied. Not approved.
| | * Delete 6 Part 3003 Red Brick 2 x 2
* Add 6 Part 3003old Red Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
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Only one red 2 x 2 brick was visible. The evidence was inconclusive, but if
I were putting money on the proposition I'd bet on inside supports being
present. Not approved.
| | * Delete 2 Part 3002 Red Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Red Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
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One 2 x 3 red brick was present. This brick did not have cross supports and
these requests were approved.
| | * Delete 4 Part 3003 White Brick 2 x 2
* Add 4 Part 3003old White Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
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Evidence showed this in error. Not approved.
| | * Delete 2 Part 3002 White Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old White Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
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No brick could be positively identified as white and 2 x 3. Not approved.
| | * Delete 5 Part 3003 Yellow Brick 2 x 2
* Add 5 Part 3003old Yellow Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
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Only one yellow 2 x 2 brick could be clearly seen and, unfortunately, this was
a printed brick with an eye. A couple of potential matches to a yellow 2 x 2
brick were possible and both of these looked to have inside supports. Not approved.
| | * Delete 2 Part 3002 Yellow Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Yellow Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
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No yellow 2 x 3 bricks were evident in the photos and these requests were not
approved.
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| | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2018 03:22 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 317-2 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | | | * Delete 2 Part 3002 Red Brick 2 x 3
* Add 2 Part 3002old Red Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports
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One 2 x 3 red brick was present. This brick did not have cross supports and
these requests were approved.
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Forgot to add photos.
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