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| | | Author: | rofreder  | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 00:43 | | Subject: | Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 374 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Discarded | |
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| I've been had!!!
Suggestion: Counterfiet Seller's Registry
First time user of Bricklink. Was excited to buy "new sealed" discontinued star
wars set on behalf of my son at what I thought was a fair price.
Posted positive feedback immediately because item was sealed and appeared to
be in authentic packaging. All logos present with circled R and tm etc.
Upon inspection of parts even noticed "LEGO" on all studs. However edges were
sharper than genuine parts, also in general parts felt lighter, minor differences
in shapes of familiar elements. Amazed at the attention to detail of the fakers.
But, in my heart of hearts I know it's a fake set. Instructions and promotional
items all there etc. I don't think my son even knows or cares. I've also
compared the seals and box to "youtube speed build" of the same authentic set
and noted differences in seals and packaging(e.g. barcoded box seals).
Is there a way to report a seller if you believe they are selling fake sets?
I would like to report this person so that others don't fall victim as I
have. I would never want to pass this set or it's elements on as authentic.
I don't even care to fight for my money back, but I don't want this to
happen to others. It has eroded my trust in bricklink at this point.
Thanks for listenting to my rant,
Duped in NC
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| | | | | Author: | MarshMan80 | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 00:53 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Why then did you leave the sell positive feedback "good seller; item as advertised
and in good condition"
If it was a defective/ fake item. Your feedback does not look like your un happy
with the item you bought. Have you contacted the seller? What does he have to
say about this? His other feed back reviews look good.
Marshal
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| | | | | | | Author: | rofreder | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 01:25 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 112 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, MarshMan80 writes:
| | Why then did you leave the sell positive feedback "good seller; item as advertised
and in good condition"
If it was a defective/ fake item. Your feedback does not look like your un happy
with the item you bought. Have you contacted the seller? What does he have to
say about this? His other feed back reviews look good.
Marshal
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Thank you for your reply. Was not as careful with the inspection as I should
have been. I was eager to leave feedback due to quick shipping on seller's
part. Was greatful to let my son get started building. It wasn't until close
inspection of the elements after my son had taken a break from building that
I realized something wasn't right.
I have not contacted the seller.
I do not wish to contact the seller. The damage is done. I just want to help
others that care about genuine LEGO.
I would suggest more info on spotting fake sets so that others don't make
the same mistake that I made. Also, if possible, a way to show verification that
you have been sold a fake and a way to report it (that is fair to the seller
as well). Possible weight comparisons of individual elements. Posting pictures
of the absence of bar coded seals. Posting pictures of diferences in genuine
vs. fake elements.
Just some ideas that may help fight the fakes.
Thank you
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | estaswick | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 11:38 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| This seems like a poor way to resolve the problem. Personally, I get my stock
from a number of sources, including the 2nd hand market (i.e. bricklink), if
the quality of this fake is as high as you indicate it is entirely possible the
seller was suckered him/herself without knowing it. A "registry" that would be
very detrimental to sellers seems completely out of line if you aren't even
willing to reach out to them that there was a problem. I know I would want someone
to reach out to me and give me a chance to resolve the issue.
In Suggestions, rofreder writes:
| | In Suggestions, MarshMan80 writes:
| | Why then did you leave the sell positive feedback "good seller; item as advertised
and in good condition"
If it was a defective/ fake item. Your feedback does not look like your un happy
with the item you bought. Have you contacted the seller? What does he have to
say about this? His other feed back reviews look good.
Marshal
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Thank you for your reply. Was not as careful with the inspection as I should
have been. I was eager to leave feedback due to quick shipping on seller's
part. Was greatful to let my son get started building. It wasn't until close
inspection of the elements after my son had taken a break from building that
I realized something wasn't right.
I have not contacted the seller.
I do not wish to contact the seller. The damage is done. I just want to help
others that care about genuine LEGO.
I would suggest more info on spotting fake sets so that others don't make
the same mistake that I made. Also, if possible, a way to show verification that
you have been sold a fake and a way to report it (that is fair to the seller
as well). Possible weight comparisons of individual elements. Posting pictures
of the absence of bar coded seals. Posting pictures of diferences in genuine
vs. fake elements.
Just some ideas that may help fight the fakes.
Thank you
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| | | | | | | Author: | dashpilot | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 16:20 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, MarshMan80 writes:
| | Why then did you leave the sell positive feedback "good seller; item as advertised
and in good condition"
If it was a defective/ fake item. Your feedback does not look like your un happy
with the item you bought. Have you contacted the seller? What does he have to
say about this? His other feed back reviews look good.
Marshal
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Why do people counterfeit goods? Because they want to make money fast and easily.
They also need to make sure their product is cheap enough to entice people to
purchase it instead of the genuine product. With that said, if someone put all
that effort into producing such a high quality set it would have likely ended
up costing them more than Lego to produce it simply because Lego is set up to
produce the equipment and tooling required to produce the parts. Plus they produce
tons and tons and tons more than any counterfeiter ever would thus, to turn a
profit the counterfeiter would have charge more than a genuine product. Which
would then defeat the purpose of counterfeiting.
Secondly, contact the seller, I'm fairly new here, I've had some minor
issues on orders here and there, and I have had all good experiences, they more
than took care of me, even though a few times it actually erased all their profit
to set things right.
But hey those are my two cents.
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| | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 01:03 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, rofreder writes:
| | Upon inspection of parts even noticed "LEGO" on all studs. However edges were
sharper than genuine parts, also in general parts felt lighter, minor differences
in shapes of familiar elements. Amazed at the attention to detail of the fakers.
But, in my heart of hearts I know it's a fake set.
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This would be the first that I have heard of clones actually having LEGO on the
studs. Do you have a photo that highlights the differences ("minor differences
in shape") between a genuine brick and one you suspect is counterfeit?
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Marc.
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| | | | | | | Author: | rofreder | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 01:42 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 113 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, rofreder writes:
| | Upon inspection of parts even noticed "LEGO" on all studs. However edges were
sharper than genuine parts, also in general parts felt lighter, minor differences
in shapes of familiar elements. Amazed at the attention to detail of the fakers.
But, in my heart of hearts I know it's a fake set.
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This would be the first that I have heard of clones actually having LEGO on the
studs. Do you have a photo that highlights the differences ("minor differences
in shape") between a genuine brick and one you suspect is counterfeit?
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Marc.
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Ok. Will attempt pictures when possible. Thanks
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| | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 02:58 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Might even be real China-made parts. The plastic from that factory does have
similar differences from the other factories worldwide.
So, is it real, really counterfeit or just a misenterpretation of the fact Lego
had quality issues in China ....?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 05:58 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | or just a misenterpretation of the fact Lego
had quality issues in China ....?
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Lego has had quality issues in all factories.
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| | | | | Author: | Stuart9 | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 03:49 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| As has already been requested, i'd love to see photos of various pieces including
2x4's if possible, top and underneath.
An image of the logo would certainly help.
In Suggestions, rofreder writes:
| | I've been had!!!
Suggestion: Counterfiet Seller's Registry
First time user of Bricklink. Was excited to buy "new sealed" discontinued star
wars set on behalf of my son at what I thought was a fair price.
Posted positive feedback immediately because item was sealed and appeared to
be in authentic packaging. All logos present with circled R and tm etc.
Upon inspection of parts even noticed "LEGO" on all studs. However edges were
sharper than genuine parts, also in general parts felt lighter, minor differences
in shapes of familiar elements. Amazed at the attention to detail of the fakers.
But, in my heart of hearts I know it's a fake set. Instructions and promotional
items all there etc. I don't think my son even knows or cares. I've also
compared the seals and box to "youtube speed build" of the same authentic set
and noted differences in seals and packaging(e.g. barcoded box seals).
Is there a way to report a seller if you believe they are selling fake sets?
I would like to report this person so that others don't fall victim as I
have. I would never want to pass this set or it's elements on as authentic.
I don't even care to fight for my money back, but I don't want this to
happen to others. It has eroded my trust in bricklink at this point.
Thanks for listenting to my rant,
Duped in NC
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| | | | | Author: | WhiteVanMan | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 03:54 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 87 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| This would be a really good time for you to be aware that, in all of my years
of 'playing' with LEGO, I have NEVER found a counterfeit set, with the
LEGO logo present on the studs, or even down to the seals on the packaging.
Yes, there are cases of sets being re-produced by the other CLONE brands (LEPIN),
but even they don't have the LEGO logo on the studs...
Which is why I suspect that you have been mis-led about the YouTube videos of
the box seals etc, purely due to the fact that the LEGO group has so many factories
around the world, all contributing to the production of the LEGO that we all
love.
Yes, there are cases of the slight differences between bricks/parts, which are
either production changes (Modified plates come to mind here), or are actual
quality control issues.
LEGO produced these days are of a slightly lighter/softer feel than those produced
10-40 years ago, again, a change done by the LEGO group, because they changed
the way that the plastic is used within the production of the LEGO parts...
I do believe that the Star Wars set that you have IS a genuine set, but because
you are probably remembering how LEGO had their sets when you were a kid, your
experience is saying that the LEGO you are now handing is 'inferior',
and therefore 'fake', but is actually the genuine article.....
Regards,
Paul
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| | | | | Author: | Daragh | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 05:07 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| A few things come to mind here, first you should definitely contact the seller
and see what they say. Secondly I don't think it is counterfeit LEGO, as
mentioned already there are all sorts of rip-offs but to my knowledge no one
has gone to the extremes of logo on the parts, matching instructions and packaging
etc.
There are variances within genuine Lego sets produced in different production
runs, at different factories and at different times. LEGO do change packaging,
sometimes they are subtle changes for example I parted out two sets the other
day, one had push tab seals and one had plastic tape seals. Set 10242 came in
two different shaped boxes! Another set I parted out recently, although it's
an old one there were three different inventories between the five sets I had.
If you are convinced it is counterfeit try contacting someone in a local LUG
or someone from here that is local to look at the parts and packaging for personal
inspection and see what they think, otherwise high quality photos would be good
too.
In Suggestions, rofreder writes:
| | I've been had!!!
Suggestion: Counterfiet Seller's Registry
First time user of Bricklink. Was excited to buy "new sealed" discontinued star
wars set on behalf of my son at what I thought was a fair price.
Posted positive feedback immediately because item was sealed and appeared to
be in authentic packaging. All logos present with circled R and tm etc.
Upon inspection of parts even noticed "LEGO" on all studs. However edges were
sharper than genuine parts, also in general parts felt lighter, minor differences
in shapes of familiar elements. Amazed at the attention to detail of the fakers.
But, in my heart of hearts I know it's a fake set. Instructions and promotional
items all there etc. I don't think my son even knows or cares. I've also
compared the seals and box to "youtube speed build" of the same authentic set
and noted differences in seals and packaging(e.g. barcoded box seals).
Is there a way to report a seller if you believe they are selling fake sets?
I would like to report this person so that others don't fall victim as I
have. I would never want to pass this set or it's elements on as authentic.
I don't even care to fight for my money back, but I don't want this to
happen to others. It has eroded my trust in bricklink at this point.
Thanks for listenting to my rant,
Duped in NC
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| | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 05:43 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, rofreder writes:
| | I've been had!!!
Suggestion: Counterfiet Seller's Registry
First time user of Bricklink. Was excited to buy "new sealed" discontinued star
wars set on behalf of my son at what I thought was a fair price.
Posted positive feedback immediately because item was sealed and appeared to
be in authentic packaging. All logos present with circled R and tm etc.
Upon inspection of parts even noticed "LEGO" on all studs. However edges were
sharper than genuine parts, also in general parts felt lighter, minor differences
in shapes of familiar elements. Amazed at the attention to detail of the fakers.
But, in my heart of hearts I know it's a fake set. Instructions and promotional
items all there etc. I don't think my son even knows or cares. I've also
compared the seals and box to "youtube speed build" of the same authentic set
and noted differences in seals and packaging(e.g. barcoded box seals).
Is there a way to report a seller if you believe they are selling fake sets?
I would like to report this person so that others don't fall victim as I
have. I would never want to pass this set or it's elements on as authentic.
I don't even care to fight for my money back, but I don't want this to
happen to others. It has eroded my trust in bricklink at this point.
Thanks for listenting to my rant,
Duped in NC
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I agree with everyone in this thread, I have never seen a fake with the LEGO
logo.
Please share photos of all the variations that you suspect are not genuine.
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| | | | | Author: | polarbomber | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 06:09 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| The item you have is genuine , i collect clone brands from asia and i have never
come across a set that has the lego logo on the set, bricks or instructions .
There are plenty of companies that copy lego designs but they always have their
own brand on them .
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| | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 07:32 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 126 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, rofreder writes:
| | I've been had!!!
Suggestion: Counterfiet Seller's Registry
First time user of Bricklink. Was excited to buy "new sealed" discontinued star
wars set on behalf of my son at what I thought was a fair price.
Posted positive feedback immediately because item was sealed and appeared to
be in authentic packaging. All logos present with circled R and tm etc.
Upon inspection of parts even noticed "LEGO" on all studs. However edges were
sharper than genuine parts, also in general parts felt lighter, minor differences
in shapes of familiar elements. Amazed at the attention to detail of the fakers.
But, in my heart of hearts I know it's a fake set. Instructions and promotional
items all there etc. I don't think my son even knows or cares. I've also
compared the seals and box to "youtube speed build" of the same authentic set
and noted differences in seals and packaging(e.g. barcoded box seals).
Is there a way to report a seller if you believe they are selling fake sets?
I would like to report this person so that others don't fall victim as I
have. I would never want to pass this set or it's elements on as authentic.
I don't even care to fight for my money back, but I don't want this to
happen to others. It has eroded my trust in bricklink at this point.
Thanks for listenting to my rant,
Duped in NC
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I agree with the other responses, I believe you have received a genuine set here
but if you are still concerned I would -
1. Contact the seller, share your concerns and ask where he obtained the set
from.
if you are still concerned -
2. Contact Lego Customer Services, I am sure they will be able to quickly determine
that the item is genuine or not by asking you a few detailed questions about
the product and/or packaging. To fake a set in the way you describe including
all TLG branding in the moulding would take a pretty large operation and investment
as injection moulding tooling is not cheap to put it mildly, I'm certain
they would know about it.
HTH
Robert
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| | | | | | | Author: | rofreder | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 19:33 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 104 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, rofreder writes:
| | I've been had!!!
Suggestion: Counterfiet Seller's Registry
First time user of Bricklink. Was excited to buy "new sealed" discontinued star
wars set on behalf of my son at what I thought was a fair price.
Posted positive feedback immediately because item was sealed and appeared to
be in authentic packaging. All logos present with circled R and tm etc.
Upon inspection of parts even noticed "LEGO" on all studs. However edges were
sharper than genuine parts, also in general parts felt lighter, minor differences
in shapes of familiar elements. Amazed at the attention to detail of the fakers.
But, in my heart of hearts I know it's a fake set. Instructions and promotional
items all there etc. I don't think my son even knows or cares. I've also
compared the seals and box to "youtube speed build" of the same authentic set
and noted differences in seals and packaging(e.g. barcoded box seals).
Is there a way to report a seller if you believe they are selling fake sets?
I would like to report this person so that others don't fall victim as I
have. I would never want to pass this set or it's elements on as authentic.
I don't even care to fight for my money back, but I don't want this to
happen to others. It has eroded my trust in bricklink at this point.
Thanks for listenting to my rant,
Duped in NC
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I agree with the other responses, I believe you have received a genuine set here
but if you are still concerned I would -
1. Contact the seller, share your concerns and ask where he obtained the set
from.
if you are still concerned -
2. Contact Lego Customer Services, I am sure they will be able to quickly determine
that the item is genuine or not by asking you a few detailed questions about
the product and/or packaging. To fake a set in the way you describe including
all TLG branding in the moulding would take a pretty large operation and investment
as injection moulding tooling is not cheap to put it mildly, I'm certain
they would know about it.
HTH
Robert
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Hello All, and to my recent seller please accept my appologies.
Got in some other sets today straight from lego.com and compared elements. Couldn't
distinguish any serious differences. I suppose there is a little variation among
genuine lego factory molds and plastic composition.
Thank you all for your help and concern. Got my first set in the 70's and
thought I was an expert. Guess not.
-rofreder
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 20:31 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, rofreder writes:
| | Hello All, and to my recent seller please accept my appologies.
Got in some other sets today straight from lego.com and compared elements. Couldn't
distinguish any serious differences. I suppose there is a little variation among
genuine lego factory molds and plastic composition.
Thank you all for your help and concern. Got my first set in the 70's and
thought I was an expert. Guess not.
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Thank you for reporting back.
Nowadays, especially in online discussions, I see far too few people willing
to admit a mistake. I really appreciate this.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 20:40 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, rofreder writes:
| | Hello All, and to my recent seller please accept my appologies.
Got in some other sets today straight from lego.com and compared elements. Couldn't
distinguish any serious differences. I suppose there is a little variation among
genuine lego factory molds and plastic composition.
Thank you all for your help and concern. Got my first set in the 70's and
thought I was an expert. Guess not.
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Thank you for reporting back.
Nowadays, especially in online discussions, I see far too few people willing
to admit a mistake. I really appreciate this.
Niek.
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+1
Thanks.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 04:53 | | Subject: | Re: Counterfiet Set Reporting | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, WoutR writes:
| | In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, rofreder writes:
| | Hello All, and to my recent seller please accept my appologies.
Got in some other sets today straight from lego.com and compared elements. Couldn't
distinguish any serious differences. I suppose there is a little variation among
genuine lego factory molds and plastic composition.
Thank you all for your help and concern. Got my first set in the 70's and
thought I was an expert. Guess not.
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Thank you for reporting back.
Nowadays, especially in online discussions, I see far too few people willing
to admit a mistake. I really appreciate this.
Niek.
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+1
Thanks.
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sorry to add yet another +1 to the thread without further comment but in this
case I think it is well warranted.
Robert
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