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| | | Author: | bb276032  | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2017 16:33 | | Subject: | price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 1220 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Discarded | |
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| few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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| | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2017 17:32 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 169 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted no. The part prices should be what you think it's worth, not the Price
Guide' system.
The current average prices of parts are lower and the result of the downward
spiralling price war of the many shops and are not the actual values.
When getting lower, parts would be given away for free.
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| | | | | | | Author: | lego.saurus.rex | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2017 18:02 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 104 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Hi, can you please clarify what you meant by "voted no" means?
Did whoever runs BL hold a vote and it was decided to be removed?
I am curious why it just vanished all the sudden.
I also miss this feature, as it would encourage me to impulse buy additional
parts over what I originally planned if they were a good deal from that seller.
Please, bring it back!
Thanks
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2017 18:14 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, lego.saurus.rex writes:
| | Hi, can you please clarify what you meant by "voted no" means?
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Posts in Suggestions can be voted for: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
BL management might consider implementation of Suggestions.
| | Did whoever runs BL hold a vote and it was decided to be removed?
I am curious why it just vanished all the sudden.
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No, it was removed since the last monthly maintenance.
| | I also miss this feature, as it would encourage me to impulse buy additional
parts over what I originally planned if they were a good deal from that seller.
Please, bring it back!
Thanks
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2017 18:21 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, lego.saurus.rex writes:
| | Hi, can you please clarify what you meant by "voted no" means?
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Posts in Suggestions can be voted for: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
BL management might consider implementation of Suggestions.
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https://www.bricklink.com/messageList.asp?ID=8
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| | Did whoever runs BL hold a vote and it was decided to be removed?
I am curious why it just vanished all the sudden.
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No, it was removed since the last monthly maintenance.
| | I also miss this feature, as it would encourage me to impulse buy additional
parts over what I originally planned if they were a good deal from that seller.
Please, bring it back!
Thanks
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | lego.saurus.rex | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 09:48 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, lego.saurus.rex writes:
| | Hi, can you please clarify what you meant by "voted no" means?
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Posts in Suggestions can be voted for: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
BL management might consider implementation of Suggestions.
| | Did whoever runs BL hold a vote and it was decided to be removed?
I am curious why it just vanished all the sudden.
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No, it was removed since the last monthly maintenance.
| | I also miss this feature, as it would encourage me to impulse buy additional
parts over what I originally planned if they were a good deal from that seller.
Please, bring it back!
Thanks
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Okay, thank you for the explanation.
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| | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 10:40 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted no. The part prices should be what you think it's worth, not the Price
Guide' system.
The current average prices of parts are lower and the result of the downward
spiralling price war of the many shops and are not the actual values.
When getting lower, parts would be given away for free.
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Brickwilbo - how can you be so cruel? If I am starving a slice of bread would
be worth $1000 to me. And I'm starving, I need that bread. I would gladly
pay you $1000 for it because I don't have the luxury of surveying 100s of
stores for 100s of pieces. Would you sell me a $1000 dollar slice of bread,
Brickwilbo? Would you feed me for only a day? Would you allow me to starve
until I get my birthday check from Grandma? Change your vote, Brickwilbo. Change
your vote and feed the children!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 10:55 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted no. The part prices should be what you think it's worth, not the Price
Guide' system.
The current average prices of parts are lower and the result of the downward
spiralling price war of the many shops and are not the actual values.
When getting lower, parts would be given away for free.
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Brickwilbo - how can you be so cruel? If I am starving a slice of bread would
be worth $1000 to me. And I'm starving, I need that bread. I would gladly
pay you $1000 for it because I don't have the luxury of surveying 100s of
stores for 100s of pieces. Would you sell me a $1000 dollar slice of bread,
Brickwilbo? Would you feed me for only a day? Would you allow me to starve
until I get my birthday check from Grandma? Change your vote, Brickwilbo. Change
your vote and feed the children!
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Comparing wanting to buy cheaper LEGO to starving children is not the way to
go.
Just for this, I am tempted to vote 'no' as well.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MrDrem | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 11:04 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted no. The part prices should be what you think it's worth, not the Price
Guide' system.
The current average prices of parts are lower and the result of the downward
spiralling price war of the many shops and are not the actual values.
When getting lower, parts would be given away for free.
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Brickwilbo - how can you be so cruel? If I am starving a slice of bread would
be worth $1000 to me. And I'm starving, I need that bread. I would gladly
pay you $1000 for it because I don't have the luxury of surveying 100s of
stores for 100s of pieces. Would you sell me a $1000 dollar slice of bread,
Brickwilbo? Would you feed me for only a day? Would you allow me to starve
until I get my birthday check from Grandma? Change your vote, Brickwilbo. Change
your vote and feed the children!
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Comparing wanting to buy cheaper LEGO to starving children is not the way to
go.
Just for this, I am tempted to vote 'no' as well.
Niek.
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It did make me wonder what he'd been toking.
MrDrem
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 11:33 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted no. The part prices should be what you think it's worth, not the Price
Guide' system.
The current average prices of parts are lower and the result of the downward
spiralling price war of the many shops and are not the actual values.
When getting lower, parts would be given away for free.
|
Brickwilbo - how can you be so cruel? If I am starving a slice of bread would
be worth $1000 to me. And I'm starving, I need that bread. I would gladly
pay you $1000 for it because I don't have the luxury of surveying 100s of
stores for 100s of pieces. Would you sell me a $1000 dollar slice of bread,
Brickwilbo? Would you feed me for only a day? Would you allow me to starve
until I get my birthday check from Grandma? Change your vote, Brickwilbo. Change
your vote and feed the children!
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Comparing wanting to buy cheaper LEGO to starving children is not the way to
go.
Just for this, I am tempted to vote 'no' as well.
Niek.
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I understand Niek. Not everyone understands my sense of humor. I'll be
more realistic;
I need a pearl gold round plate. The price runs from 10 cents to $1.48. I need
30 of these pieces and stores usually carry less than 5 at a time. I found a
store that was selling 16 for 35 cents each. So filled my cart up. I grabbed
a bunch of other common pieces that I needed for my project because I had to
pay shipping so why not get as much as I can. I had a $50 cart and what I thought
was a great deal. Then I thought about adding the seller to my favorites list
and then going a wish list compare. My $50 cart that I thought was a great deal
because I was getting 16 rare pieces for 35 cents had an actual mark up price
of over 500%. I knew what the average price was for that one rare piece, so
I was basing my entire purchase on that. I honestly do not have the capacity
to know the average price per piece for the other 20+ lots I had in my cart.
I still made the purchase. But instead of getting all those common pieces,
I grabbed the other rare pieces I needed. They were priced higher than average
and I took a loss on that purchase. Average price for all the pieces I got was
probably 80 some odd cents. Because of the price comparison tool - I took that
loss in one store. I could have made multiple 'rare & common', 'rare
& common' purchases and overpaid on every one.
Stone cold honest story.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 12:22 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| If you allow me to take one sentence out of your reply:
| | I had a $50 cart and what I thought was a great deal.
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This is _exactly_ why others would argue to have that feature removed. And if
you allow me to quote another tidbit from a different thread you posted:
| | Because I can't imagine the site administrators would knowingly remove the feature and allow the happy wonderful Lego fans through out the world who have gathered together here in the safe and welcoming site that is Bricklink to be knowingly ripped off. Some dude last week tried to charge me $2.00 for a 35 cent piece. It was an odd piece, I needed it. But I didn't '500% make up' need it. I can't keep track of the average price of 1000s of pieces
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You have to understand that nobody is trying to rip you off by pricing items
in a certain way. That price is there to see and agree with or not.
I fully understand that automatically comparing prices to the last 6 month average
makes it easier to pick the best deal, but by doing this. BrickLink is actively
helping to push prices down. Shops that have priced items reasonably will see
that over time they will lose out on orders because others will undercut the
prices, and buyers will more and more favor the lower-priced options, thus further
put pressure on the L6MA. Stores that don't constantly adjust their prices
will eventually maybe show 500% above average. That does NOT mean they are ripping
buyers off.
The price comparison feature was introduced some time in the last year. Before
that, people were able to buy their LEGO just fine, but there can't be much
doubt that this feature was helping the downward spiral of item prices. This
is not in the interest of BrickLink, and not in the interest of the sellers.
And if you think about it, in the long run it is also not in the interest of
buyers. Many larger shops are feeling the pressure, and have to think about whether
this is still a market that is worthwhile to pursue. Sure, if they close shop,
others will fill the void, but it will be more and more of the lowest-prices-quick-sale-goodbye
shops. And that is not good for anyone.
Just my $0.02.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 12:38 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | If you allow me to take one sentence out of your reply:
| | I had a $50 cart and what I thought was a great deal.
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This is _exactly_ why others would argue to have that feature removed. And if
you allow me to quote another tidbit from a different thread you posted:
| | Because I can't imagine the site administrators would knowingly remove the feature and allow the happy wonderful Lego fans through out the world who have gathered together here in the safe and welcoming site that is Bricklink to be knowingly ripped off. Some dude last week tried to charge me $2.00 for a 35 cent piece. It was an odd piece, I needed it. But I didn't '500% make up' need it. I can't keep track of the average price of 1000s of pieces
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You have to understand that nobody is trying to rip you off by pricing items
in a certain way. That price is there to see and agree with or not.
I fully understand that automatically comparing prices to the last 6 month average
makes it easier to pick the best deal, but by doing this. BrickLink is actively
helping to push prices down. Shops that have priced items reasonably will see
that over time they will lose out on orders because others will undercut the
prices, and buyers will more and more favor the lower-priced options, thus further
put pressure on the L6MA. Stores that don't constantly adjust their prices
will eventually maybe show 500% above average. That does NOT mean they are ripping
buyers off.
The price comparison feature was introduced some time in the last year. Before
that, people were able to buy their LEGO just fine, but there can't be much
doubt that this feature was helping the downward spiral of item prices. This
is not in the interest of BrickLink, and not in the interest of the sellers.
And if you think about it, in the long run it is also not in the interest of
buyers. Many larger shops are feeling the pressure, and have to think about whether
this is still a market that is worthwhile to pursue. Sure, if they close shop,
others will fill the void, but it will be more and more of the lowest-prices-quick-sale-goodbye
shops. And that is not good for anyone.
Just my $0.02.
Niek.
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+1
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SchmickBricks | | Posted: | May 8, 2018 07:23 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, randyf writes:
| | In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | If you allow me to take one sentence out of your reply:
| | I had a $50 cart and what I thought was a great deal.
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This is _exactly_ why others would argue to have that feature removed. And if
you allow me to quote another tidbit from a different thread you posted:
| | Because I can't imagine the site administrators would knowingly remove the feature and allow the happy wonderful Lego fans through out the world who have gathered together here in the safe and welcoming site that is Bricklink to be knowingly ripped off. Some dude last week tried to charge me $2.00 for a 35 cent piece. It was an odd piece, I needed it. But I didn't '500% make up' need it. I can't keep track of the average price of 1000s of pieces
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You have to understand that nobody is trying to rip you off by pricing items
in a certain way. That price is there to see and agree with or not.
I fully understand that automatically comparing prices to the last 6 month average
makes it easier to pick the best deal, but by doing this. BrickLink is actively
helping to push prices down. Shops that have priced items reasonably will see
that over time they will lose out on orders because others will undercut the
prices, and buyers will more and more favor the lower-priced options, thus further
put pressure on the L6MA. Stores that don't constantly adjust their prices
will eventually maybe show 500% above average. That does NOT mean they are ripping
buyers off.
The price comparison feature was introduced some time in the last year. Before
that, people were able to buy their LEGO just fine, but there can't be much
doubt that this feature was helping the downward spiral of item prices. This
is not in the interest of BrickLink, and not in the interest of the sellers.
And if you think about it, in the long run it is also not in the interest of
buyers. Many larger shops are feeling the pressure, and have to think about whether
this is still a market that is worthwhile to pursue. Sure, if they close shop,
others will fill the void, but it will be more and more of the lowest-prices-quick-sale-goodbye
shops. And that is not good for anyone.
Just my $0.02.
Niek.
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+1
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I totally agree, and suggest BrickLink go one step further and remove the ability
for stores to adjust their prices to the current 6 month average for consolidated
lots when parting out sets as it's only serving to drive prices down either
further.
I choose to retain existing prices for consolidated lots, but it often leaves
me with lots priced more than double the current average which goes to show how
much prices have dropped in the past 6 months.
In Australia many sets are no longer viable to be parted as the purchase price
(Even when heavily discounted from the RRP) is often only a couple dollars less
then the part out value, and on occasion (Star Wars and Minecraft usually) the
part out value is less than the RRP!
Stores would still be able to adjust prices manually of course, but who really
has the time to check the prices of 10,000 lots against the current average price?
I would imagine the declining prices would be having a knock on effect with BrickLink's
income, so any steps to address the declining prices are in their best interest
too.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 8, 2018 09:18 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SchmickBricks writes:
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I totally agree, and suggest BrickLink go one step further and remove the ability
for stores to adjust their prices to the current 6 month average for consolidated
lots when parting out sets as it's only serving to drive prices down either
further.
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Stores would still be able to adjust prices manually of course, but who really
has the time to check the prices of 10,000 lots against the current average price?
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People are already using third party tools (theirs or BrickStock) that can do
that easily.
The more you restrict tools in BL, the more people will use tools outside of
BL (and continue bitching there aren’t enough sellers tools in BL).
| | I would imagine the declining prices would be having a knock on effect with BrickLink's
income, so any steps to address the declining prices are in their best interest
too.
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Price fixing, or limiting people’s ability to set their own prices, isn’t a solution
(apart from being illegal).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 13:03 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | If you allow me to take one sentence out of your reply:
| | I had a $50 cart and what I thought was a great deal.
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This is _exactly_ why others would argue to have that feature removed. And if
you allow me to quote another tidbit from a different thread you posted:
| | Because I can't imagine the site administrators would knowingly remove the feature and allow the happy wonderful Lego fans through out the world who have gathered together here in the safe and welcoming site that is Bricklink to be knowingly ripped off. Some dude last week tried to charge me $2.00 for a 35 cent piece. It was an odd piece, I needed it. But I didn't '500% make up' need it. I can't keep track of the average price of 1000s of pieces
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You have to understand that nobody is trying to rip you off by pricing items
in a certain way. That price is there to see and agree with or not.
I fully understand that automatically comparing prices to the last 6 month average
makes it easier to pick the best deal, but by doing this. BrickLink is actively
helping to push prices down. Shops that have priced items reasonably will see
that over time they will lose out on orders because others will undercut the
prices, and buyers will more and more favor the lower-priced options, thus further
put pressure on the L6MA. Stores that don't constantly adjust their prices
will eventually maybe show 500% above average. That does NOT mean they are ripping
buyers off.
The price comparison feature was introduced some time in the last year. Before
that, people were able to buy their LEGO just fine, but there can't be much
doubt that this feature was helping the downward spiral of item prices. This
is not in the interest of BrickLink, and not in the interest of the sellers.
And if you think about it, in the long run it is also not in the interest of
buyers. Many larger shops are feeling the pressure, and have to think about whether
this is still a market that is worthwhile to pursue. Sure, if they close shop,
others will fill the void, but it will be more and more of the lowest-prices-quick-sale-goodbye
shops. And that is not good for anyone.
Just my $0.02.
Niek.
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Thanks Niek, I think I understand where you are coming from. It's like the
big box stores putting the Mom and Pop shops out of business by undercutting
prices. I get it. But I think the inverse is also true. Back to my gold piece
comparison; this piece I'm looking for averages 30 cents, and most stores
carry less than 10 of them. There is one store in North America that has over
50, and charges more than a dollar per piece. With the price tool, I've
been avoiding it. Because Mom and Pop show up every now and then with a price
that is more reasonable and I snatch it up along with the other pieces they have
that are priced reasonably. Without the price tool, I am more likely to purchase
from the guy that has quantity, he has everything I need, I'll overpay but
I'll only pay for shipping once and I won't have to do comparison shopping
at 15 different stores. Without the pricing tool I have less information to
make an informed purchase. My 2 cents, is that without the pricing tool we enabling
the big box stores. We're letting the big box stores set the price because
they have quantity and quality (rare pieces). I am more likely to make one purchase
from a big box than 10 purchases from Mom and Pop.
Honestly, I didn't pay attention to the original pricing tool discussion
that went on, but I have a feeling that it was lead by the site's Sellers.
I want to hear more from the Buyers. I don't think I'm the only one
to think this way. I'm happy to hear everyone's point of view - but
I want the votes in. Buyers, Sellers, cast your votes!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 13:26 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | If you allow me to take one sentence out of your reply:
| | I had a $50 cart and what I thought was a great deal.
|
This is _exactly_ why others would argue to have that feature removed. And if
you allow me to quote another tidbit from a different thread you posted:
| | Because I can't imagine the site administrators would knowingly remove the feature and allow the happy wonderful Lego fans through out the world who have gathered together here in the safe and welcoming site that is Bricklink to be knowingly ripped off. Some dude last week tried to charge me $2.00 for a 35 cent piece. It was an odd piece, I needed it. But I didn't '500% make up' need it. I can't keep track of the average price of 1000s of pieces
|
You have to understand that nobody is trying to rip you off by pricing items
in a certain way. That price is there to see and agree with or not.
I fully understand that automatically comparing prices to the last 6 month average
makes it easier to pick the best deal, but by doing this. BrickLink is actively
helping to push prices down. Shops that have priced items reasonably will see
that over time they will lose out on orders because others will undercut the
prices, and buyers will more and more favor the lower-priced options, thus further
put pressure on the L6MA. Stores that don't constantly adjust their prices
will eventually maybe show 500% above average. That does NOT mean they are ripping
buyers off.
The price comparison feature was introduced some time in the last year. Before
that, people were able to buy their LEGO just fine, but there can't be much
doubt that this feature was helping the downward spiral of item prices. This
is not in the interest of BrickLink, and not in the interest of the sellers.
And if you think about it, in the long run it is also not in the interest of
buyers. Many larger shops are feeling the pressure, and have to think about whether
this is still a market that is worthwhile to pursue. Sure, if they close shop,
others will fill the void, but it will be more and more of the lowest-prices-quick-sale-goodbye
shops. And that is not good for anyone.
Just my $0.02.
Niek.
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Thanks Niek, I think I understand where you are coming from. It's like the
big box stores putting the Mom and Pop shops out of business by undercutting
prices. I get it. But I think the inverse is also true. Back to my gold piece
comparison; this piece I'm looking for averages 30 cents, and most stores
carry less than 10 of them. There is one store in North America that has over
50, and charges more than a dollar per piece. With the price tool, I've
been avoiding it. Because Mom and Pop show up every now and then with a price
that is more reasonable and I snatch it up along with the other pieces they have
that are priced reasonably. Without the price tool, I am more likely to purchase
from the guy that has quantity, he has everything I need, I'll overpay but
I'll only pay for shipping once and I won't have to do comparison shopping
at 15 different stores.
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From the sounds of your previous post, that's not what would happen. Rather,
you would find the best price for the item you need, and then add some extra
stuff from that store, which you can also use. I very much doubt that you will
buy the ones at $1.48 each.
Even if you buy just 6 of them, it's cheaper to buy them from the store in
Portugal, including shipping, then it would be to buy them from that store in
the US. At quantities higher than 6, it becomes A LOT cheaper to buy them in
Portugal.
| | Without the pricing tool I have less information to
make an informed purchase. My 2 cents, is that without the pricing tool we enabling
the big box stores. We're letting the big box stores set the price because
they have quantity and quality (rare pieces). I am more likely to make one purchase
from a big box than 10 purchases from Mom and Pop.
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Not according to what you have described previously. Also, with the tools that
are still currently available, you can save a lot of money compared to what you
say you would do.
| | Honestly, I didn't pay attention to the original pricing tool discussion
that went on, but I have a feeling that it was lead by the site's Sellers.
I want to hear more from the Buyers. I don't think I'm the only one
to think this way. I'm happy to hear everyone's point of view - but
I want the votes in. Buyers, Sellers, cast your votes!
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Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
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Marc.
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | If you allow me to take one sentence out of your reply:
| | I had a $50 cart and what I thought was a great deal.
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This is _exactly_ why others would argue to have that feature removed. And if
you allow me to quote another tidbit from a different thread you posted:
| | Because I can't imagine the site administrators would knowingly remove the feature and allow the happy wonderful Lego fans through out the world who have gathered together here in the safe and welcoming site that is Bricklink to be knowingly ripped off. Some dude last week tried to charge me $2.00 for a 35 cent piece. It was an odd piece, I needed it. But I didn't '500% make up' need it. I can't keep track of the average price of 1000s of pieces
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You have to understand that nobody is trying to rip you off by pricing items
in a certain way. That price is there to see and agree with or not.
I fully understand that automatically comparing prices to the last 6 month average
makes it easier to pick the best deal, but by doing this. BrickLink is actively
helping to push prices down. Shops that have priced items reasonably will see
that over time they will lose out on orders because others will undercut the
prices, and buyers will more and more favor the lower-priced options, thus further
put pressure on the L6MA. Stores that don't constantly adjust their prices
will eventually maybe show 500% above average. That does NOT mean they are ripping
buyers off.
The price comparison feature was introduced some time in the last year. Before
that, people were able to buy their LEGO just fine, but there can't be much
doubt that this feature was helping the downward spiral of item prices. This
is not in the interest of BrickLink, and not in the interest of the sellers.
And if you think about it, in the long run it is also not in the interest of
buyers. Many larger shops are feeling the pressure, and have to think about whether
this is still a market that is worthwhile to pursue. Sure, if they close shop,
others will fill the void, but it will be more and more of the lowest-prices-quick-sale-goodbye
shops. And that is not good for anyone.
Just my $0.02.
Niek.
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Thanks Niek, I think I understand where you are coming from. It's like the
big box stores putting the Mom and Pop shops out of business by undercutting
prices. I get it. But I think the inverse is also true. Back to my gold piece
comparison; this piece I'm looking for averages 30 cents, and most stores
carry less than 10 of them. There is one store in North America that has over
50, and charges more than a dollar per piece. With the price tool, I've
been avoiding it. Because Mom and Pop show up every now and then with a price
that is more reasonable and I snatch it up along with the other pieces they have
that are priced reasonably. Without the price tool, I am more likely to purchase
from the guy that has quantity, he has everything I need, I'll overpay but
I'll only pay for shipping once and I won't have to do comparison shopping
at 15 different stores.
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From the sounds of your previous post, that's not what would happen. Rather,
you would find the best price for the item you need, and then add some extra
stuff from that store, which you can also use. I very much doubt that you will
buy the ones at $1.48 each.
Even if you buy just 6 of them, it's cheaper to buy them from the store in
Portugal, including shipping, then it would be to buy them from that store in
the US. At quantities higher than 6, it becomes A LOT cheaper to buy them in
Portugal.
| | Without the pricing tool I have less information to
make an informed purchase. My 2 cents, is that without the pricing tool we enabling
the big box stores. We're letting the big box stores set the price because
they have quantity and quality (rare pieces). I am more likely to make one purchase
from a big box than 10 purchases from Mom and Pop.
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Not according to what you have described previously. Also, with the tools that
are still currently available, you can save a lot of money compared to what you
say you would do.
| | Honestly, I didn't pay attention to the original pricing tool discussion
that went on, but I have a feeling that it was lead by the site's Sellers.
I want to hear more from the Buyers. I don't think I'm the only one
to think this way. I'm happy to hear everyone's point of view - but
I want the votes in. Buyers, Sellers, cast your votes!
|
Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
--
Marc.
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Thanks Marc - What I hear is the invisible hand of the marketplace is very visible
on Bricklink, it is the hand of profit. Limit the amount of information provided
to the Buyers and the Sellers will profit.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
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Thanks Marc - What I hear is the invisible hand of the marketplace is very visible
on Bricklink, it is the hand of profit. Limit the amount of information provided
to the Buyers and the Sellers will profit.
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I'm not really sure what that means.
BrickLink's presumed motive is to be successful. That usually translates
into being profitable (though the owner is a billionaire, and I can't presume
to know what he wants).
Note that BrickLink making a lot of money is different than sellers making a
lot of money. So, your description above does not match what I was describing
at all. BrickLink will do what is in BrickLink's best interest. Sometimes
that is also in the best interest of buyers, sometimes it's in the best interest
of sellers, sometimes both, and sometimes neither.
--
Marc.
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| |
Thanks Marc - What I hear is the invisible hand of the marketplace is very visible
on Bricklink, it is the hand of profit. Limit the amount of information provided
to the Buyers and the Sellers will profit.
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I'm not really sure what that means.
BrickLink's presumed motive is to be successful. That usually translates
into being profitable (though the owner is a billionaire, and I can't presume
to know what he wants).
Note that BrickLink making a lot of money is different than sellers making a
lot of money. So, your description above does not match what I was describing
at all. BrickLink will do what is in BrickLink's best interest. Sometimes
that is also in the best interest of buyers, sometimes it's in the best interest
of sellers, sometimes both, and sometimes neither.
--
Marc.
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Thanks Marc - perhaps we're thinking along two different lines. I think
what I'd really like this thread to consider is; does removing the average
price tool benefit Buyers or Sellers? Take away everything else - profit, loss,
Bricklinks goals, opinions - take away everything and answer. Does removing
the average price tool benefit Buyers or Sellers?
Cast your votes here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 14:51 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| |
Thanks Marc - What I hear is the invisible hand of the marketplace is very visible
on Bricklink, it is the hand of profit. Limit the amount of information provided
to the Buyers and the Sellers will profit.
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I'm not really sure what that means.
BrickLink's presumed motive is to be successful. That usually translates
into being profitable (though the owner is a billionaire, and I can't presume
to know what he wants).
Note that BrickLink making a lot of money is different than sellers making a
lot of money. So, your description above does not match what I was describing
at all. BrickLink will do what is in BrickLink's best interest. Sometimes
that is also in the best interest of buyers, sometimes it's in the best interest
of sellers, sometimes both, and sometimes neither.
--
Marc.
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Thanks Marc - perhaps we're thinking along two different lines. I think
what I'd really like this thread to consider is; does removing the average
price tool benefit Buyers or Sellers? Take away everything else - profit, loss,
Bricklinks goals, opinions - take away everything and answer. Does removing
the average price tool benefit Buyers or Sellers?
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It's complicated.
In the short term, it benefits some sellers and not others. (Sellers who have
been racing to the bottom for prices will likely see fewer orders now, while
sellers with more sustainable prices may see a slight increase.) In the long
term, this probably a benefit to both groups of sellers, as prices should stabilize,
which means that even with fewer orders, profits could stay the same or improve.
In the short term, this is not a benefit the buyers who used this information.
In the long term, it probably is a benefit to all buyers, because it will allow
for a more diverse market. Sellers who stock rare parts are less likely to be
driven out of the market.
--
Marc.
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| |
Thanks Marc - What I hear is the invisible hand of the marketplace is very visible
on Bricklink, it is the hand of profit. Limit the amount of information provided
to the Buyers and the Sellers will profit.
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I'm not really sure what that means.
BrickLink's presumed motive is to be successful. That usually translates
into being profitable (though the owner is a billionaire, and I can't presume
to know what he wants).
Note that BrickLink making a lot of money is different than sellers making a
lot of money. So, your description above does not match what I was describing
at all. BrickLink will do what is in BrickLink's best interest. Sometimes
that is also in the best interest of buyers, sometimes it's in the best interest
of sellers, sometimes both, and sometimes neither.
--
Marc.
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Thanks Marc - perhaps we're thinking along two different lines. I think
what I'd really like this thread to consider is; does removing the average
price tool benefit Buyers or Sellers? Take away everything else - profit, loss,
Bricklinks goals, opinions - take away everything and answer. Does removing
the average price tool benefit Buyers or Sellers?
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It's complicated.
In the short term, it benefits some sellers and not others. (Sellers who have
been racing to the bottom for prices will likely see fewer orders now, while
sellers with more sustainable prices may see a slight increase.) In the long
term, this probably a benefit to both groups of sellers, as prices should stabilize,
which means that even with fewer orders, profits could stay the same or improve.
In the short term, this is not a benefit the buyers who used this information.
In the long term, it probably is a benefit to all buyers, because it will allow
for a more diverse market. Sellers who stock rare parts are less likely to be
driven out of the market.
--
Marc.
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Hi Marc - I've heard a few mentions now of how the Price Guide has impacted
prices. Can you give me an example of where a Buyer with easy access to an average
price of a piece negatively impacted the actual price of a piece?
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Marc - I've heard a few mentions now of how the Price Guide has impacted
prices. Can you give me an example of where a Buyer with easy access to an average
price of a piece negatively impacted the actual price of a piece?
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Well, _you_ are a prime example of this effect. You said yourself that you used
this feature to buy pieces at the lowest price. When you make that buy, it will
get added to the price guide. As it is (presumably) below the last 6 month average,
the newly calculated L6MA will go down. For some items, it will go down a tiny
bit (because that part might see a lot of sales, and your one buy will not make
a big difference), for other items it will have a bigger effect.
A lot of sellers use this last 6 month average to price their items, partly (or
maybe mostly?) because if they don't, they will lose sales from buyers like
you. So they start pricing below L6MA, you buy, L6MA drops, people adjust, you
buy, etc.
This is not rocket science, it is easy to see how that works. How much the shown
average influences people's buying pattern is hard to say, but again you
yourself stated very clearly it is an important factor in where you place your
orders. If there are a lot of people that bought using that metric, L6MA will
definitely drop.
Whether removing this info will stop prices being driven down I cannot say. I
doubt even BL will be able to say. But your story clearly shows removing it _could_
slow down the drop of prices.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 18:45 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| As you are most likely aware, this has been going on long before the feature
was offered. Back when we had sellers like ShackyShuffle and House of Logos
listing at what appeared to be near or below cost, which satisfied many people's
desire for cheap Lego and the constant price wars between HoL and a select few
stores. We have 10 or so years of damage and so many hands in the pot now that
I don't think removing this feature will help recover the market.
It might slow the bleeding, but the wound is quite large and will likely continue
to grow and fester. (maybe a slightly gross analogy, but that's what I came
up with)
| | Whether removing this info will stop prices being driven down I cannot say. I
doubt even BL will be able to say. But your story clearly shows removing it _could_
slow down the drop of prices.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 19:15 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | As you are most likely aware, this has been going on long before the feature
was offered. Back when we had sellers like ShackyShuffle and House of Logos
listing at what appeared to be near or below cost, which satisfied many people's
desire for cheap Lego and the constant price wars between HoL and a select few
stores. We have 10 or so years of damage and so many hands in the pot now that
I don't think removing this feature will help recover the market.
It might slow the bleeding, but the wound is quite large and will likely continue
to grow and fester. (maybe a slightly gross analogy, but that's what I came
up with)
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Yup. Totally agree. The downward spiral has been there for a while. With the
ever-rising (so it seems) popularity of LEGO, more and more people jump on the
bandwagon to profit from the LEGO success, as is also evident from the growing
number of posts of people wanting to know how to make money (and even how to
make a living selling parts).
The sheer popularity of LEGO has become both a blessing and a curse for this
site. I can see BL trying to figure out how to keep making money by tweaking
their software. Get more buyers on board, sure. But try and keep the profit-per-item
up as well is going to be hard (if not impossible). If the amount of product
traded is rising, but the prices-per-item are falling quicker, this ship is going
to sink. Simple economics.
BL is the only one who can see what is happening in the larger picture. I for
one hope they can stay afloat, and better yet, grow. That is in the interest
of all here, buyers and sellers. Whether removing pricing info is going to work
(assuming this is actually done in light of the situation described here, for
lack of any word from our overlords) is anyone's guess. We will see.
Now what _would_ be a total game changer, is the removal of _all_ price guide
info. Try and wrap your head around that one. There are precious few market places
where you get any access to this type of info. It would be interesting to see
what would happen to item prices in that case. No more "part-out" - "set prices
at L6MA-30%" - "go" - "hope-to-get-rich-now".
Niek.
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| That's a really troubling idea, but we may just need a really bold move (or
moves) to turn the market around.
| | Now what _would_ be a total game changer, is the removal of _all_ price guide
info. Try and wrap your head around that one. There are precious few market places
where you get any access to this type of info. It would be interesting to see
what would happen to item prices in that case. No more "part-out" - "set prices
at L6MA-30%" - "go" - "hope-to-get-rich-now".
Niek.
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| I was just pondering how I've changed as a buyer over my years as an AFOL
and there was a time when I wouldn't think twice about paying MSRP for a
new set I wanted. Now I look at those prices and think, 'wow $__ is a bit
steep for a x-wing or millennium falcon, etc' or 'that's really cool,
but not that cool.'
With cost of living and such, I don't think what I take home is much different
than 14 years ago*, yet my whole perspective of the cost of Lego has changed.
I wonder if it is different for many others, as well.
*hopefully I'll finally make that change when I finish school
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 20:50 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing? I would argue that my buying habits are adjusting pieces to be
more in line with actual price. Someone else mentioned on this thread that Lego
is booming, prices are sky rocketing. But those high prices are only hurting
the hobbyist. I don't buy Lego to part out, I buy Lego for my little 8 year
old Winter Village. I really like my Winter Village, but I don't above average
like it. With the average pricing tool I would buy Lego at or around the
average actual price. Without the average pricing tool I am more likely to shop
at stores with larger inventory and higher prices for the convenience of not
having to manually compare 100s of pieces against 100s of stores. And that price
of convenience is what is driving the price of Lego artificially high. Not having
the average pricing tool is just hiding the fact that Lego pieces are artificially
expensive.
Vote to bring back the average pricing tool here, upper left corner: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Marc - I've heard a few mentions now of how the Price Guide has impacted
prices. Can you give me an example of where a Buyer with easy access to an average
price of a piece negatively impacted the actual price of a piece?
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Well, _you_ are a prime example of this effect. You said yourself that you used
this feature to buy pieces at the lowest price. When you make that buy, it will
get added to the price guide. As it is (presumably) below the last 6 month average,
the newly calculated L6MA will go down. For some items, it will go down a tiny
bit (because that part might see a lot of sales, and your one buy will not make
a big difference), for other items it will have a bigger effect.
A lot of sellers use this last 6 month average to price their items, partly (or
maybe mostly?) because if they don't, they will lose sales from buyers like
you. So they start pricing below L6MA, you buy, L6MA drops, people adjust, you
buy, etc.
This is not rocket science, it is easy to see how that works. How much the shown
average influences people's buying pattern is hard to say, but again you
yourself stated very clearly it is an important factor in where you place your
orders. If there are a lot of people that bought using that metric, L6MA will
definitely drop.
Whether removing this info will stop prices being driven down I cannot say. I
doubt even BL will be able to say. But your story clearly shows removing it _could_
slow down the drop of prices.
Niek.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing?
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It's a bad thing for everyone if the price keeps getting lower. Bad for sellers
as lowering margins means no profits and having to close their doors. Eventually
this will hurt buyers as there will be less and less stores carrying the parts
they need, and the parts will cost more than they will now, because of the few
stores carrying parts.
My thoughts,
M.Boss
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| Honest question, do Sellers pay a surcharge on every piece they sell?
In Suggestions, M.Boss writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing?
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It's a bad thing for everyone if the price keeps getting lower. Bad for sellers
as lowering margins means no profits and having to close their doors. Eventually
this will hurt buyers as there will be less and less stores carrying the parts
they need, and the parts will cost more than they will now, because of the few
stores carrying parts.
My thoughts,
M.Boss
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Honest question, do Sellers pay a surcharge on every piece they sell?
In Suggestions, M.Boss writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing?
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It's a bad thing for everyone if the price keeps getting lower. Bad for sellers
as lowering margins means no profits and having to close their doors. Eventually
this will hurt buyers as there will be less and less stores carrying the parts
they need, and the parts will cost more than they will now, because of the few
stores carrying parts.
My thoughts,
M.Boss
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Yes, see https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=38&q=Fees
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| In Suggestions, M.Boss writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Honest question, do Sellers pay a surcharge on every piece they sell?
In Suggestions, M.Boss writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing?
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It's a bad thing for everyone if the price keeps getting lower. Bad for sellers
as lowering margins means no profits and having to close their doors. Eventually
this will hurt buyers as there will be less and less stores carrying the parts
they need, and the parts will cost more than they will now, because of the few
stores carrying parts.
My thoughts,
M.Boss
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Plus Paypal fees on the total including on the shipping fees.
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| Sellers pay the fees on BL which is a percentage of the order price (before shipping).
This is in addition to the fee that PayPal charges to accept payment (that fee
is on the full total).
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Honest question, do Sellers pay a surcharge on every piece they sell?
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Honest question, do Sellers pay a surcharge on every piece they sell?
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Selling LEGO on BL roughly goes like this (assuming you are talking about parts):
- Seller buys LEGO somewhere.
- If it comes in sealed sets (for instance, if seller buys LEGO at Walmart),
the sets get "parted out" using either BL or 3rd party tools;
- If it comes as a pile of unsorted parts (like from Craigslist), parts need
to be cleaned, checked for "usability", cataloged and uploaded;
- After part-out and/or upload, the parts need to be stored in the seller's
physical inventory.
- When an order comes in, seller needs to pick the parts, pack and ship.
The reason I detail this here is that _every_ step above carries an additional
cost. Every step takes time. Some steps take a _lot_ of time (if done correctly).
And at sale time, BL (and most times Paypal) take a cut of the pie.
For a shop trying to make a profit, the cost in time is often overlooked, but
can be very significant. Again, ask larger shops. The actual purchase price s
just a tiny part of the cost to run a shop.
If you add up the costs of all the steps, you can easily see why having sellers
who buy product for $X and then sell for $X+5% can really hurt other shops.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 23:02 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| If we keep prices high we will keep the larger stores we will keep the larger
stores because they will continue to make a profit. I think we'll lose the
smaller stores because in the absence of easy price comparison tool Buyers would
be more likely to shop stores with a larger selection.
If we keep prices low, we will lose the big stores because it is no longer profitable
for them. If we lose the big stores, the prices of Lego will increase because
of lower supply. With the increase of prices it becomes profitable again for
larger stores to open. With more stores the prices go down again. I think this
price fluctuation will continue until a point of equilibrium where smaller stores
price just below average because they sell on price, and larger stores will sell
at just above average because they sell on quantity.
In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Honest question, do Sellers pay a surcharge on every piece they sell?
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Selling LEGO on BL roughly goes like this (assuming you are talking about parts):
- Seller buys LEGO somewhere.
- If it comes in sealed sets (for instance, if seller buys LEGO at Walmart),
the sets get "parted out" using either BL or 3rd party tools;
- If it comes as a pile of unsorted parts (like from Craigslist), parts need
to be cleaned, checked for "usability", cataloged and uploaded;
- After part-out and/or upload, the parts need to be stored in the seller's
physical inventory.
- When an order comes in, seller needs to pick the parts, pack and ship.
The reason I detail this here is that _every_ step above carries an additional
cost. Every step takes time. Some steps take a _lot_ of time (if done correctly).
And at sale time, BL (and most times Paypal) take a cut of the pie.
For a shop trying to make a profit, the cost in time is often overlooked, but
can be very significant. Again, ask larger shops. The actual purchase price s
just a tiny part of the cost to run a shop.
If you add up the costs of all the steps, you can easily see why having sellers
who buy product for $X and then sell for $X+5% can really hurt other shops.
Niek.
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| | | It's a bad thing for everyone if the price keeps getting lower. Bad for sellers
as lowering margins means no profits and having to close their doors. Eventually
this will hurt buyers as there will be less and less stores carrying the parts
they need, and the parts will cost more than they will now, because of the few
stores carrying parts.
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And when the parts cost more again, more sellers will come back as the prices
are higher, then they'll be more competition and prices will lower again,
and so it will cycle.
Of course, in reality it doesn't happen like this. Some prices get driven
down, but other parts (ones really in demand) don't get their prices driven
down. If a seller has a balanced stock, then decreasing prices on some parts
do not matter. There is only a reason to leave when it affects all parts.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 21:26 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing? I would argue that my buying habits are adjusting pieces to be
more in line with actual price.
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A normal (ideal?) market mechanism would have prices settle at what the buyer
is willing to pay. In an earlier post from yourself, you literally said that
you were happy to pay $50 for the order you were about to place, until you saw
that you could get parts for less. A "settled" market would therefore be at $50
(assuming you are the average buyer). There is no such thing as "actual price",
unless you are comparing with TLG, and then you will see that the vast majority
of parts are way cheaper on BL. If you define "actual price" to be the price
people are happy to pay, then you have made my point for me.
BrickLink has stopped being a normal market a while ago. Prices are no longer
determined by what people think is a fair price. Again, you said so yourself.
Prices are more and more determined by sellers trying to get orders in, almost
at any cost (no pun intended). This is not what a healthy market should look
like.
I can't fault buyers going for the lowest price. Heck, I will "shop around"
for certain products as well. But you can ask any long-time seller, the current
market is making it increasingly difficult to sustain a healthy profit margin,
and that is what it is all about for shops who are on here for the long haul.
If this trend doesn't turn around one way or another, there won't be
any incentive for larger shops to invest any resources into a BL shop.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 21:50 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I guess that's where I get a little flustered. I wish I could remember where
but I saw that Bricklink started out because one Lego hobbyist had a bunch of
extra pieces that they decided to sell because they didn't need them. Those
hobbyist keep the average price per piece down. They get rid of their extra
pieces, they make a small profit. But its the big stores, whose hobby is to
sell Lego pieces, that are driving prices artificially high. Without the average
pricing tool we allow them to set their own profit margin. If they sold at the
same price as the hobbyist, their profits would be smaller. But it would be
a profit. And I would that if those big stores sold at an average price their
sales would increase. It may not increase enough to make up for the original
lost profit but they would still make a bigger profit than the hobbyist by virtue
of selling more product. I don't think I should pay $1.48 for piece because
the store has the quantity I need and the average price is $0.30. That markup
isn't for the Seller to make a profit, that markup is a blatant overprice.
In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Hi Niek - I am a prime example of a Buyer lowering piece price because given
enough information I will purchase the piece at the best value. Why is that
a bad thing? I would argue that my buying habits are adjusting pieces to be
more in line with actual price.
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A normal (ideal?) market mechanism would have prices settle at what the buyer
is willing to pay. In an earlier post from yourself, you literally said that
you were happy to pay $50 for the order you were about to place, until you saw
that you could get parts for less. A "settled" market would therefore be at $50
(assuming you are the average buyer). There is no such thing as "actual price",
unless you are comparing with TLG, and then you will see that the vast majority
of parts are way cheaper on BL. If you define "actual price" to be the price
people are happy to pay, then you have made my point for me.
BrickLink has stopped being a normal market a while ago. Prices are no longer
determined by what people think is a fair price. Again, you said so yourself.
Prices are more and more determined by sellers trying to get orders in, almost
at any cost (no pun intended). This is not what a healthy market should look
like.
I can't fault buyers going for the lowest price. Heck, I will "shop around"
for certain products as well. But you can ask any long-time seller, the current
market is making it increasingly difficult to sustain a healthy profit margin,
and that is what it is all about for shops who are on here for the long haul.
If this trend doesn't turn around one way or another, there won't be
any incentive for larger shops to invest any resources into a BL shop.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 22:05 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| This is where I think you are a little confused.
If I as builder decide that I don't need a bag of parts, then I can list
them in my store for whatever price I want. I'm probably less inclined to
factor in costs.
However, if I invest money to obtain a great deal of product, then there's
a set amount I need just to break even. There's generally a substantially
greater cost in being able to offer a vast selection of parts for a buyer to
choose from and that investment must be recouped plus profit for the seller to
continue to operate.
What's happening is the amount of profit has shrunk by a very significant
amount over the past decade that operating a store in not as beneficial.
This will lead to problems buying individual Lego pieces at some point, if the
trend continues.
Example: 10-13 years ago I had no problem buying sets with a part out value of
3-5x what I paid, which allowed room to discount slow moving parts.
Now, I would be lucky to get 2x and that doesn't allow much room for adjustments
when you factor in all costs.
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | I guess that's where I get a little flustered. I wish I could remember where
but I saw that Bricklink started out because one Lego hobbyist had a bunch of
extra pieces that they decided to sell because they didn't need them. Those
hobbyist keep the average price per piece down. They get rid of their extra
pieces, they make a small profit. But its the big stores, whose hobby is to
sell Lego pieces, that are driving prices artificially high. Without the average
pricing tool we allow them to set their own profit margin. If they sold at the
same price as the hobbyist, their profits would be smaller. But it would be
a profit. And I would that if those big stores sold at an average price their
sales would increase. It may not increase enough to make up for the original
lost profit but they would still make a bigger profit than the hobbyist by virtue
of selling more product. I don't think I should pay $1.48 for piece because
the store has the quantity I need and the average price is $0.30. That markup
isn't for the Seller to make a profit, that markup is a blatant overprice.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | I guess that's where I get a little flustered. I wish I could remember where
but I saw that Bricklink started out because one Lego hobbyist had a bunch of
extra pieces that they decided to sell because they didn't need them. Those
hobbyist keep the average price per piece down. They get rid of their extra
pieces, they make a small profit. But its the big stores, whose hobby is to
sell Lego pieces, that are driving prices artificially high. Without the average
pricing tool we allow them to set their own profit margin. If they sold at the
same price as the hobbyist, their profits would be smaller. But it would be
a profit. And I would that if those big stores sold at an average price their
sales would increase. It may not increase enough to make up for the original
lost profit but they would still make a bigger profit than the hobbyist by virtue
of selling more product. I don't think I should pay $1.48 for piece because
the store has the quantity I need and the average price is $0.30. That markup
isn't for the Seller to make a profit, that markup is a blatant overprice.
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That is fine. BL allows you to buy half of what you need from a cheaper seller,
another third from someone else and the rest from another person.
Remember also that for some parts the value is in the group, if those parts are
often needed in multiples. For example, a seller having wheels will be able to
charge more for them if he has lots than if he had just one of them. One of them
doesn't entice a buyer, since they are going to have to place multiple orders
and pay postage lots of times. So the seller will need to list it cheaper to
sell a single one - it will not sell at average prices, when a buyer can get
as many as he needs from someone else for the same price each. So four of them
will often be priced at a higher price than one, and may also have a purchase
limit on them too.
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Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
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I'd argue that there is now a discrepancy between sellers, who have access
to tolls like BrickStock that automates pricing against 6 month averages, and
buyers, who no longer do.
If Bricklink want a reason to bring it back, here's one. Whilst the tool
was there, it made it so much easier for me to sanity check prices on my orders
that I didn't look elsewhere. Its what kept me shopping within Bricklink.
There is now no difference in the buying experience between here and BrickOwl
that I can see so far, except that BrickOwl has a nicer interface.
You want me to keep shopping here, make it easy for me to confirm my deal is
OK.
Even if all you tell me is that my overall order price is below or above the
average price.
I don't think that the sellers arguing here would say that they want to participate
in a economy that is rigged for either side, would they?
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Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
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I'd argue that there is now a discrepancy between sellers, who have access
to tolls like BrickStock that automates pricing against 6 month averages, and
buyers, who no longer do.
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Buyers can use BrickStock. (And I believe that most sellers do not.)
| | If Bricklink want a reason to bring it back, here's one. Whilst the tool
was there, it made it so much easier for me to sanity check prices on my orders
that I didn't look elsewhere. Its what kept me shopping within Bricklink.
There is now no difference in the buying experience between here and BrickOwl
that I can see so far, except that BrickOwl has a nicer interface.
You want me to keep shopping here, make it easy for me to confirm my deal is
OK.
Even if all you tell me is that my overall order price is below or above the
average price.
I don't think that the sellers arguing here would say that they want to participate
in a economy that is rigged for either side, would they?
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I have long argued that BL's policies have favored sellers over buyers, and
that this is mostly a bad thing. In this particular case, I'm on the fence
about how significant it is. I think it pales in comparison to the imbalance
in feedback policies, order cancellation, additional fees, shipping fee transparency,
and other policies.
As to whether you (or anyone else) buys here or on the other site, I'm sure
it matters to BrickLink, but it doesn't matter to me as a seller. I sell
the same inventory for the same price on both sites.
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
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Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
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I'd argue that there is now a discrepancy between sellers, who have access
to tolls like BrickStock that automates pricing against 6 month averages, and
buyers, who no longer do.
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Buyers can use BrickStock. (And I believe that most sellers do not.)
| | If Bricklink want a reason to bring it back, here's one. Whilst the tool
was there, it made it so much easier for me to sanity check prices on my orders
that I didn't look elsewhere. Its what kept me shopping within Bricklink.
There is now no difference in the buying experience between here and BrickOwl
that I can see so far, except that BrickOwl has a nicer interface.
You want me to keep shopping here, make it easy for me to confirm my deal is
OK.
Even if all you tell me is that my overall order price is below or above the
average price.
I don't think that the sellers arguing here would say that they want to participate
in a economy that is rigged for either side, would they?
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I have long argued that BL's policies have favored sellers over buyers, and
that this is mostly a bad thing. In this particular case, I'm on the fence
about how significant it is. I think it pales in comparison to the imbalance
in feedback policies, order cancellation, additional fees, shipping fee transparency,
and other policies.
As to whether you (or anyone else) buys here or on the other site, I'm sure
it matters to BrickLink, but it doesn't matter to me as a seller. I sell
the same inventory for the same price on both sites.
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Marc.
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Hi again Marc - As a Seller if it doesn't matter to you, then could you support
me as a Buyer? Vote yes to bring it back. Makes no difference to you, but it
helps me out.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 14:56 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
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Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
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I'd argue that there is now a discrepancy between sellers, who have access
to tolls like BrickStock that automates pricing against 6 month averages, and
buyers, who no longer do.
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Buyers can use BrickStock. (And I believe that most sellers do not.)
| | If Bricklink want a reason to bring it back, here's one. Whilst the tool
was there, it made it so much easier for me to sanity check prices on my orders
that I didn't look elsewhere. Its what kept me shopping within Bricklink.
There is now no difference in the buying experience between here and BrickOwl
that I can see so far, except that BrickOwl has a nicer interface.
You want me to keep shopping here, make it easy for me to confirm my deal is
OK.
Even if all you tell me is that my overall order price is below or above the
average price.
I don't think that the sellers arguing here would say that they want to participate
in a economy that is rigged for either side, would they?
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I have long argued that BL's policies have favored sellers over buyers, and
that this is mostly a bad thing. In this particular case, I'm on the fence
about how significant it is. I think it pales in comparison to the imbalance
in feedback policies, order cancellation, additional fees, shipping fee transparency,
and other policies.
As to whether you (or anyone else) buys here or on the other site, I'm sure
it matters to BrickLink, but it doesn't matter to me as a seller. I sell
the same inventory for the same price on both sites.
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Marc.
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Hi again Marc - As a Seller if it doesn't matter to you, then could you support
me as a Buyer? Vote yes to bring it back. Makes no difference to you, but it
helps me out.
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As I mentioned, the votes don't matter. BrickLink created this feature because
they thought it would be a good thing overall. Lots of people complained about
it when it launched. BrickLink didn't care. They made their decision based
on their own information and analysis.
Now they have deleted that feature. Lots of people are complaining about its
disappearance. BrickLink doesn't care. They made their decision based on
their own information and analysis.
I believe that the only way this feature is coming back is if deleting it was
a mistake. It's perfectly possible this is a bug, and the feature was not
supposed to disappear. If that's the case, it will be back in a few days,
regardless of what discussion happens here. On the other hand, if the change
was deliberate, then it was based on a 9-month trial, and the feature was considered
to be a failure. In that case, it's gone.
--
Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MrDrem | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 15:27 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, MrDrem writes:
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Voting doesn't matter. What will count is what BrickLink believes is in their
best interest. Before they created that price comparison feature, they believed
that it would be in their interest to add it. Having added it, presumably they
discovered that it was NOT in their interest, so they have deleted it.
To get them to reverse that decision, you would need to convince BrickLink that
it's better for THEM to have the feature. Since we don't have access
to any of the data that they based their decision on, I believe making a convincing
argument is essentially impossible.
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I'd argue that there is now a discrepancy between sellers, who have access
to tools like BrickStock that automates pricing against 6 month averages, and
buyers, who no longer do.
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Buyers can use BrickStock. (And I believe that most sellers do not.)
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To be honest, I'd not thought of using it as a buyer, seeing it as a sellers
tool, but I can see how I can do so on reflection. Thanks for the suggestion.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 14:45 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I've tried to get a handle on BrickOwl, but I find it to be extremely unpleasant
to navigate and make use of it's features. This could just be a cause of
my 14+ years on BL making it difficult to switch.
| | There is now no difference in the buying experience between here and BrickOwl
that I can see so far, except that BrickOwl has a nicer interface.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | MrDrem | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2017 20:58 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Cosy writes:
| | In Suggestions, MrDrem writes:
| | Whilst the tool
was there, it made it so much easier for me to sanity check prices on my orders
that I didn't look elsewhere. Its what kept me shopping within Bricklink.
You want me to keep shopping here, make it easy for me to confirm my deal is
OK.
Even if all you tell me is that my overall order price is below or above the
average price.
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Sorry to edit down your post...
If your goal is just to sanity check prices, BL's built-in Price Guide will
give you a part for part comparison. You can also see the current world stock
as well as the L6MA.
Granted it is less convenient than a built in calculation, but with two windows
side by side you can easily do a sanity check.
If your order is 100 lots obviously this takes some more leg work on your part.
The more complicated option as mentioned would be to use BrickStock side by side
with your cart.
- Download your Wanted List
- import the XML file into BrickStock
- adjust the part quantities (a trick to do is open the xml in a text editor
and replace the "minqty" with "qty")
- set all the prices to L6MA
This will give you both the average sold price per part and the total price of
your cart if you bought at the average for each part. A little more work, but
like many shopping choices you can work harder to save more or work less and
just get what you want now.
Maybe that helps you work with BL.
Feel free to hit me up with questions if you get stuck.
Happy Shopping!
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Got it working (and wrote and shared a quick guide on how I did it for other
people, since some of the steps seemed a little non-obvious)
Thanks for your help there.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | dearlydeparted | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2017 13:40 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | If you allow me to take one sentence out of your reply:
| | I had a $50 cart and what I thought was a great deal.
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This is _exactly_ why others would argue to have that feature removed. And if
you allow me to quote another tidbit from a different thread you posted:
| | Because I can't imagine the site administrators would knowingly remove the feature and allow the happy wonderful Lego fans through out the world who have gathered together here in the safe and welcoming site that is Bricklink to be knowingly ripped off. Some dude last week tried to charge me $2.00 for a 35 cent piece. It was an odd piece, I needed it. But I didn't '500% make up' need it. I can't keep track of the average price of 1000s of pieces
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You have to understand that nobody is trying to rip you off by pricing items
in a certain way. That price is there to see and agree with or not.
I fully understand that automatically comparing prices to the last 6 month average
makes it easier to pick the best deal, but by doing this. BrickLink is actively
helping to push prices down. Shops that have priced items reasonably will see
that over time they will lose out on orders because others will undercut the
prices, and buyers will more and more favor the lower-priced options, thus further
put pressure on the L6MA. Stores that don't constantly adjust their prices
will eventually maybe show 500% above average. That does NOT mean they are ripping
buyers off.
The price comparison feature was introduced some time in the last year. Before
that, people were able to buy their LEGO just fine, but there can't be much
doubt that this feature was helping the downward spiral of item prices. This
is not in the interest of BrickLink, and not in the interest of the sellers.
And if you think about it, in the long run it is also not in the interest of
buyers. Many larger shops are feeling the pressure, and have to think about whether
this is still a market that is worthwhile to pursue. Sure, if they close shop,
others will fill the void, but it will be more and more of the lowest-prices-quick-sale-goodbye
shops. And that is not good for anyone.
Just my $0.02.
Niek.
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+1 Right on the mark.
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| | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2017 19:05 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 102 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Voted yes. This was a great feature that made it easier to choose a store.
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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| | | | | | | Author: | Thaum | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 11:51 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Voted yes. This was a great feature that made it easier to choose a store.
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted yes. I could only second this. It made it easier to choose a store
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bb597546 | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 15:28 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thaum writes:
| | In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Voted yes. This was a great feature that made it easier to choose a store.
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted yes. I could only second this. It made it easier to choose a store
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+1 from us.
Mike & Melissa
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | VorpalRyu | | Posted: | Apr 8, 2017 07:28 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Cams_Creations writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thaum writes:
| | In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Voted yes. This was a great feature that made it easier to choose a store.
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted yes. I could only second this. It made it easier to choose a store
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+1 from us.
Mike & Melissa
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+1 from me too, this was a useful tool, it save hours of work tracking down multiple
parts trying to find a store with the best price balance. Even bought the majority
of what I was looking for in one store when this was active, only purchased from
another store because the main store I was buying through didn't have the
items. Since it's been gone, I've ended up scrapping purchase plans a
few times and when I have purchased, I've bought from more stores, but the
purchase amounts have been much lower....
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| | | | | Author: | bobbyworld | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 17:24 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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I vote mostly yes. But if use bricklink's automatic store finder by best
value its pretty much going to find you the cheapest. One of the things I liked
about % feature that i will miss is when I pick the stores I can pick and choose
what parts to order based on how much each part costs at their store compared
to average, but usually I would pay a higher % so I wouldn't have to place
another order with another store.
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| | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 18:08 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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One thing that I am missing from this discussion is that the price comparison
tool was fundamentally flawed and gave buyers a misleading sense of confidence.
In many situations it gave a meaningless result. Depending on your wanted list
settings it could be comparing parts in different colors and used with new without
any description anywhere on the site on what was being shown. Also, there are
huge differences in price if you look at the average listed for sale versus the
average sold, and the average versus the qty average.
If you were looking at parts in "any condition" and "any color" then you could
be comparing a new part in a rare colour to an used part in a common colour.
In that situation the price might seem to be outrageously high while it could
be the cheapest on BrickLink.
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| | | | | Author: | Admin_Jaclyn | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 19:03 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 402 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally. Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
Thanks!
-Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 19:11 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally.
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Thanks for that info.
| | Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
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I’d like it back… if it’s clearly stated how it is calculated (we had much trouble
figuring it out when the feature appeared).
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| | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 20:16 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| For those of you who may have difficulty finding where to vote, please follow
the link below. In the upper left under the author information is a voting box.
Yes - Bring back the average pricing tool
No - ... can't think of a reason not too...
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally. Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
Thanks!
-Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Heartbricker | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 00:15 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | For those of you who may have difficulty finding where to vote, please follow
the link below. In the upper left under the author information is a voting box.
Yes - Bring back the average pricing tool
No - ... can't think of a reason not too...
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally. Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
Thanks!
-Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Here is a point you and everyone else in this thread have been missing:
Many store cut item prices but have high fees ($2 handling fee, 5% paypal fee,
lot fee, inflated shipping cost etc. fee) those fees are not reflected in the
price guide.
My store isn't the cheapest BUT we don't charge any fees for orders over
$10, we factor our paypal fee into the price of the bricks instead of listing
low so we can show up on the lowest cost but then charge high fees which would
bring your cost per piece much higher- thereby; manipulating the price guide
and cheating the buyer into thinking he bought the pieces under the average but
in reality; the fees bring you over.
Next is the issue of Bricklink's admin: since BL only charges a commission
for the parts and not shipping or other fees sellers charge- BL would be a fool
to encourage a system that would cheat them out of commission by lowering the
commission-able amount (LEGO) and not benefiting from the extras (some) sellers
are charging as those are not commissionable.
I understand why a buyer would want this feature BUT you need to understand that
it is not in your benefit to pay a low piece rate and be charged a high fee/inflated
shipping/Paypal fee etc- you're just being manipulated by some sellers.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 10:35 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally. Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
Thanks!
-Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
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I'm sure the majority of buyers who express an opinion will vote in favour
of anything that they think will make Lego cheaper. On the other hand I'd
expect the majority of sellers to think the opposite.
Those of us who both buy and sell can argue with ourselves about it 
Overall I think BL should decide what is best for the long term health of BL
as a business which is probably in everyone's interest. Seriously, I don't
have a lot of confidence in the outcome if decisions are made on votes on things
like this.
My opinion: Too many buyers and sellers are looking at averages blindly, not
taking into account other factors like some countries having purchase taxes and
others not. e.g. a global average price does not take into account that a USA
price does not include VAT when a European price does so, for a European buyer,
a price in Europe that is "average" is actually about 20% lower than a USA located
price that is the same in the price guide (as a normal buyer in Europe would
likely have to pay 20% on top of the USA price to import the items). There are
many other factors such as add-on fees, different postal costs in different markets,
etc, etc. BL should IMO not be encouraging more emphasis on these blind comparisons
based on the PG which is and always has been "a guide". The feature in question
I personally support deleting as at best it was misleading based on the above
issues and more.
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | BricksThatStick | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 14:37 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally. Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
Thanks!
-Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
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I'm sure the majority of buyers who express an opinion will vote in favour
of anything that they think will make Lego cheaper. On the other hand I'd
expect the majority of sellers to think the opposite.
Those of us who both buy and sell can argue with ourselves about it
Overall I think BL should decide what is best for the long term health of BL
as a business which is probably in everyone's interest. Seriously, I don't
have a lot of confidence in the outcome if decisions are made on votes on things
like this.
My opinion: Too many buyers and sellers are looking at averages blindly, not
taking into account other factors like some countries having purchase taxes and
others not. e.g. a global average price does not take into account that a USA
price does not include VAT when a European price does so, for a European buyer,
a price in Europe that is "average" is actually about 20% lower than a USA located
price that is the same in the price guide (as a normal buyer in Europe would
likely have to pay 20% on top of the USA price to import the items). There are
many other factors such as add-on fees, different postal costs in different markets,
etc, etc. BL should IMO not be encouraging more emphasis on these blind comparisons
based on the PG which is and always has been "a guide". The feature in question
I personally support deleting as at best it was misleading based on the above
issues and more.
Robert
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I started typing a response but its easier to just write... ^^ Exactly what he
said above
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| | | | | | | Author: | gardendog | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 20:05 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally. Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
Thanks!
-Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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I vote to bring it back. Thanks
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| | | | | | | Author: | Cimmero | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 10:25 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I vote to bring it back. Thanks!
In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally. Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
Thanks!
-Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
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| | | | | | | Author: | ruagshemel | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 13:02 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I would like it back. It is discouraging and time consuming to compare prices
without it. It also puts customers in a situation of paying too much for stuff
if they have a long list of pieces they want and do not have the time to check
the price on every piece.
In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally. Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
Thanks!
-Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, ruagshemel writes:
| | I would like it back. It is discouraging and time consuming to compare prices
without it. It also puts customers in a situation of paying too much for stuff
if they have a long list of pieces they want and do not have the time to check
the price on every piece.
In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally. Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
Thanks!
-Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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You don't need to check all the pieces. Just the more expensive ones or the
ones with large numbers. If the store is appearing high up because they are cheap,
you ought to spend time on looking at their shipping fees, lot fees, other fees,
etc.
It probably works ok for US buyers, due to generally lower prices. But it doesn't
work so well if you restrict the search to smaller countries. For example, UK
prices can be 20% over average but still be cheaper than buying from a US seller.
Telling the buyer that all UK sellers are expensive compared to the world average
doesn't help. So any average price tool should recalculate averages based
on the filters selected.
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| | | | | | | Author: | alessandro1995 | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 08:22 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Pleasee REINTRODUCE this fantastic function,we really need it!
Alessandro
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| | | | | | | Author: | hms216 | | Posted: | Apr 2, 2017 23:14 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Bring it back.
Taking it away severely detracts from the utility of Bricklink from a buyer perspective.
And if not brought back, this missing feature will be a factor when I decide
to buy bulk Legos in the future locally that I could make whole through Bricklink.
One more hassle in the mix.
So just to sum up why this taking away this feature is not good for buyers:
1. Takes more time to buy economically bulk parts, which means I do it less,
and buy less
2. After the fact, larger risk that I will feel bad about a prior purchase when
I realize I grossly overpaid for parts, and therefore don't want to buy more
3. When considering buying bulk Legos locally in the future, just not having
this feature will be a huge deterrent and therefore slow down purchases dramatically
for me
Please update - what's the timing to bringing this feature back? I have
several hundred parts in my wanted queue, and I'm holding off on buying ANYTHING
in the near future.
Thanks,
In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Just to clear things up - we did remove this intentionally. Please vote on this
suggestion if you would like to bring it back and feel free to post comments/feedback
below.
Thanks!
-Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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| | | | | | | Author: | 77Bricks | | Posted: | Apr 6, 2017 11:34 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| PLEASE bring it back or I will be forced to dramatically reduce how much I buy
on here since it will take 4 times as long to research the average parts cost.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE bring this back!!!
- Paul Wemhaner (OKLUG member)
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| | | | | | | Author: | Engine_er | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2017 08:24 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | I vote to bring it back. Thanks |
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| | | | | Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 23:20 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Excellent suggestion, thanks for raising the issue. I can't see how more
information is going to be bad for stores. They want happy customers, not people
who are sad about having paid too much.
And in case this feature is NOT re-implemented, there IS a channel directly to
the catalog via the large images in a store. This didn't used to be there
either years ago.
Russell
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| | | | | Author: | Burliman | | Posted: | Mar 13, 2017 23:39 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I voted yes.
In the end it's an ease of use feature for a buyer and should be reinstated.
The price list for a part can be sorted by lowest price, the want lists can have
6mavg populated in them and a store filter set up to ignore higher prices, you
can just take it all offline with tools like brickstock. There are still ways
to get the info, it's just harder now.
Sellers have stores on many sites. As long as inventory tools and store management
is working, they will set up shop. But, the transaction that pays BrickLink's
bills only happens on one site when the buyer pulls the trigger. It's their
loyalty you need, and a tool like this is an essential part of that.
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| | | | | Author: | Heartbricker | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 00:18 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Here is a point you and everyone else in this thread have been missing:
Many store cut item prices but have high fees ($2 handling fee, 5% paypal fee,
lot fee, inflated shipping cost etc. fee) those fees are not reflected in the
price guide.
My store isn't the cheapest BUT we don't charge any fees for orders over
$10, we factor our paypal/handling/whatever cost into the price of the bricks
instead of listing low so we can show up on the lowest cost but then charge high
fees which would bring your cost per piece much higher- thereby; manipulating
the price guide and cheating the buyer into thinking he bought the pieces under
the average but in reality; the fees bring you over.
Next is the issue of Bricklink's admin: since BL only charges a commission
for the parts and not shipping or other fees sellers charge- BL would be a fool
to encourage a system that would cheat them out of commission by lowering the
commission-able amount (LEGO) and not benefiting from the extras (some) sellers
are charging as those are not commissionable.
I understand why a buyer would want this feature BUT you need to understand that
it is not in your benefit to pay a low piece rate and be charged a high fee/inflated
shipping/Paypal fee etc- you're just being manipulated by some sellers.
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| | | | | Author: | bridgem | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 05:38 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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I found the average price list useful when buying parts. When I searched for
my wanted list for parts there was often a shop that was asking 200% than most
other shops. If I had bought from that shop without knowing the excessive markup
they had & later found out I had seriously over paid I wouldn't be using
bricklink again to buy lego, just on principle. I don't mind paying over
average price for items, if they are parts I am keen on
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| | | | | Author: | FirstTimer | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 06:06 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Please bring this Feature back, ist the most important when buying parts. When
buying thousands of parts, i can see easily the average Price lvl of the store.
If it stays removed, i have to compare manually each part and this i wont do.
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| | | | | | | Author: | hwanah | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 06:15 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FirstTimer writes:
| | Please bring this Feature back, ist the most important when buying parts. When
buying thousands of parts, i can see easily the average Price lvl of the store.
If it stays removed, i have to compare manually each part and this i wont do.
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I strongly agree!
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| | | | | | | Author: | FirstTimer | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 06:17 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| How could it be, that Sellers and Buyers vote in the same Suggestion? I am exited
to see, which decision Bricklink will derive.
PS: Please stop full-quoting guys, this is eye cancer!!
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| | | | | Author: | TargetBoy | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 07:48 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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I would like to see this implemented.
On the old system, I would research my wanted lists like this to make sure I
was getting a good price. I'd check the averages on anything I was buying
in bulk or that was a rarer part.
I also tend to buy extra parts when I make a purchase from a store to make shipping
more efficient. There have been multiple times that I have seen a MOC or a novel
part usage and whipped up a wanted list around my own idea for it and been able
to buy it right off because I saw I was within 10% of average on the cart and
the store had reasonable shipping terms. There's stores where I know they
have great service and faster turn around and I'll buy from them unless it
is really egregious.
I also understand the problem with the race to the bottom. Just keep in mind
that I can and did do the same thing by searching for the quantity of the part
I want and sorting by price. This can make the difference between staying in
budget and buying the parts or having to wait and maybe have another idea take
priority and not do the order at all.
One idea might be to only show the difference if the part/cart goes above 20%
over average. That way we know we aren't getting ripped off, but the exact
amount isn't there. That would help to make impulse purchases a viable option
and make it harder to drive prices in a race to the bottom.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 09:10 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | I would like to see this implemented.
On the old system, I would research my wanted lists like this to make sure I
was getting a good price. I'd check the averages on anything I was buying
in bulk or that was a rarer part.
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I normally do something similar too. I look for the most expensive parts, then
price check them using the guide. If the store is more than about 10-20% over
the average, I'll least favourite and leave myself a note warning myself
about it. The auto calculation does essentially the same thing, just on all parts
rather than the few I'd manually check. I might end up buying from the expensive
stores if they have the range of parts, but sometimes I find it is cheaper to
buy a few expensive parts from one seller even if they don't have the range,
as even including postage they are still cheaper than the bigger store.
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| | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 10:28 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| The average pricing tool when purchasing from a wish list has been intentionally
removed. Please vote to bring it back on this link, vote in the upper left corner.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
There seems to be a consensus that the tool was removed because it was ‘artificially’
lowering prices. I personally disagree with this, I believe the tool was lowing
prices to be in line with their actual value, not the high markup value that
some Sellers are listing. However, some Sellers have made some good points about
how lower prices force some Sellers out. I have three suggestions. I’m not
opening these up as their own suggestion because I think we should all vote on
the original suggestion to bring the tool back and allow the admins to decide
when and how that tool would be brought back. So please vote, leave a comment,
state your opinion.
Option 1: Bring back the average pricing tool on an order total. Average price
wouldn’t be listed for individual prices but on the total order. I think this
will make it harder for the Buyer to pick and choose individual cheap pieces
and drive those prices down while also allowing the Buyer to avoid the store
with the 250% markup that is driving prices high.
Option 2: Flat Profit Charge. For every piece you buy you pay a penny to the
Seller as flat profit. This penny won’t be reflected in the average price.
It’s a penny applied to every piece. It allows the Seller to earn a profit on
every piece while also allowing the Buyer an option in price. I don’t have access
to the site’s financials so if that flat profit charge needs to be 2 or 3 cents,
I can understand.
Option 3: Transaction Charge. Give the Buyer the average pricing tool but charge
them a flat fee for every purchase they make. I’m thinking like $0.25 cents.
That $0.25 cents is split between Bricklink and the Seller however they see
fit. I think I might lose the support of Buyers on this one, but as someone
pointed out – Lego is not a traditional marketplace. If Buyers or Sellers leave
the marketplace there is no one to take their place. We all gotta give a little
bit.
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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| | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 10:46 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
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Option 1: Bring back the average pricing tool on an order total. Average price
wouldn’t be listed for individual prices but on the total order. I think this
will make it harder for the Buyer to pick and choose individual cheap pieces
and drive those prices down while also allowing the Buyer to avoid the store
with the 250% markup that is driving prices high.
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That would make a lot of sense if we have final shipped order prices in the calculation
- i.e. automated checkout but without it, it's a nonsense.
The other 2 options below would not even be legal in most free markets apart
from anything else.
| | Option 2: Flat Profit Charge. For every piece you buy you pay a penny to the
Seller as flat profit. This penny won’t be reflected in the average price.
It’s a penny applied to every piece. It allows the Seller to earn a profit on
every piece while also allowing the Buyer an option in price. I don’t have access
to the site’s financials so if that flat profit charge needs to be 2 or 3 cents,
I can understand.
Option 3: Transaction Charge. Give the Buyer the average pricing tool but charge
them a flat fee for every purchase they make. I’m thinking like $0.25 cents.
That $0.25 cents is split between Bricklink and the Seller however they see
fit. I think I might lose the support of Buyers on this one, but as someone
pointed out – Lego is not a traditional marketplace. If Buyers or Sellers leave
the marketplace there is no one to take their place. We all gotta give a little
bit.
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Robert
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 11:50 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Let's remember that we are not in a legal free market. If we were in a free
market the average pricing tool would be forcing Sellers who are over charging
out of the market. If we were in a legal free market there would be a lawsuit
over Sellers purposely attempting to hide or make it more difficult to find the
actual average price per piece. So we are not in a legal free market, so let's
discuss suggestions on how to keep the market open without an undue burden placed
on Buyers or Sellers.
Vote to bring to bring the average pricing tool back on this link: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
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The other 2 options below would not even be legal in most free markets apart
from anything else.
| | Option 2: Flat Profit Charge. For every piece you buy you pay a penny to the
Seller as flat profit. This penny won’t be reflected in the average price.
It’s a penny applied to every piece. It allows the Seller to earn a profit on
every piece while also allowing the Buyer an option in price. I don’t have access
to the site’s financials so if that flat profit charge needs to be 2 or 3 cents,
I can understand.
Option 3: Transaction Charge. Give the Buyer the average pricing tool but charge
them a flat fee for every purchase they make. I’m thinking like $0.25 cents.
That $0.25 cents is split between Bricklink and the Seller however they see
fit. I think I might lose the support of Buyers on this one, but as someone
pointed out – Lego is not a traditional marketplace. If Buyers or Sellers leave
the marketplace there is no one to take their place. We all gotta give a little
bit.
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Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 11:52 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Sellers charging above average wouldn't be forced out as they are often providing
a service that cheaper sellers are not. This might be volume, breadth of stock
or location.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 11:55 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| So if Sellers wouldn't be forced out... then what's the harm with the
average pricing tool?
In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | Sellers charging above average wouldn't be forced out as they are often providing
a service that cheaper sellers are not. This might be volume, breadth of stock
or location.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 12:00 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | So if Sellers wouldn't be forced out... then what's the harm with the
average pricing tool?
In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | Sellers charging above average wouldn't be forced out as they are often providing
a service that cheaper sellers are not. This might be volume, breadth of stock
or location.
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There isn't, if it includes all fees chargeable.
One complaint about the minimisation from buyers is that the cheapest store found
by BL is not actually the cheapest once fees are included. Maybe that is why
they removed it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | beleuco | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 12:09 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I am a buyer and a seller, that feature did nothing to me, here an example of
what I was looking at (single piece to complete a set):
Store A:
Part listed at 5c
Then charge 25c for every lot below $1
Then charge 5% paypal fees (even if illegal in the US)
$4.00 shipping
Store B:
Part listed at 20c
$2.81 shipping
Even if shipping is excluded, the 5c part was in reality 31.5c
Price comparison is good when comparing the same thing, as long as BL does not
have immediate check-out prices can't be compared.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 12:11 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Let's remember that we are not in a legal free market.
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Nonsense, of course it is legal and it is a free market!
| | If we were in a free
market the average pricing tool would be forcing Sellers who are over charging
out of the market. If we were in a legal free market there would be a lawsuit
over Sellers purposely attempting to hide or make it more difficult to find the
actual average price per piece. So we are not in a legal free market, so let's
discuss suggestions on how to keep the market open without an undue burden placed
on Buyers or Sellers.
Vote to bring to bring the average pricing tool back on this link: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
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The other 2 options below would not even be legal in most free markets apart
from anything else.
| | Option 2: Flat Profit Charge. For every piece you buy you pay a penny to the
Seller as flat profit. This penny won’t be reflected in the average price.
It’s a penny applied to every piece. It allows the Seller to earn a profit on
every piece while also allowing the Buyer an option in price. I don’t have access
to the site’s financials so if that flat profit charge needs to be 2 or 3 cents,
I can understand.
Option 3: Transaction Charge. Give the Buyer the average pricing tool but charge
them a flat fee for every purchase they make. I’m thinking like $0.25 cents.
That $0.25 cents is split between Bricklink and the Seller however they see
fit. I think I might lose the support of Buyers on this one, but as someone
pointed out – Lego is not a traditional marketplace. If Buyers or Sellers leave
the marketplace there is no one to take their place. We all gotta give a little
bit.
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Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 12:18 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Perfect, then we agree! Bricklink is a legal free market and in a legal free
market a Buyer should have easy access to the average price per piece. Any measures
to limit that access would delegitimize the legal free market of Bricklink.
Vote to bring back the legal free market at this link: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Let's remember that we are not in a legal free market.
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Nonsense, of course it is legal and it is a free market!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 12:29 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Perfect, then we agree! Bricklink is a legal free market and in a legal free
market a Buyer should have easy access to the average price per piece. Any measures
to limit that access would delegitimize the legal free market of Bricklink.
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OK, I get that you want it back, really!
But, believe me there are many free markets in the world that don't have
it and it doesn't
"delegitimize the legal free market" status.
Which business school's definition of "free market" are you using? A free
market does not have to provide its' traders with any analysis tools, just
a place to trade where entry is fee for all and everyone can buy and sell at
prices they wish.
Keep it grown up please, this is not a junior school debating society or an election
campaign. BTW, no we don't agree, LOL!
Robert
| | Vote to bring back the legal free market at this link: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Let's remember that we are not in a legal free market.
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Nonsense, of course it is legal and it is a free market!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 12:48 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Perfect, then we agree! Bricklink is a legal free market and in a legal free
market a Buyer should have easy access to the average price per piece. Any measures
to limit that access would delegitimize the legal free market of Bricklink.
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OK, I get that you want it back, really!
But, believe me there are many free markets in the world that don't have
it and it doesn't
"delegitimize the legal free market" status.
Which business school's definition of "free market" are you using? A free
market does not have to provide its' traders with any analysis tools, just
a place to trade where entry is fee for all and everyone can buy and sell at
prices they wish.
Keep it grown up please, this is not a junior school debating society or an election
campaign. BTW, no we don't agree, LOL!
Robert
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Hmm, that was an unfortunate typo on my part, I did of course mean "free", not
"fee" for all, sorry!
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 13:16 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
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Hmm, that was an unfortunate typo on my part, I did of course mean "free", not
"fee" for all, sorry!
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Beware, that’s almost on the level of the copyist monk’s error (it was “celebrate”,
not “celibate”!). 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 13:20 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Perfect, then we agree! Bricklink is a legal free market and in a legal free
market a Buyer should have easy access to the average price per piece. Any measures
to limit that access would delegitimize the legal free market of Bricklink.
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What definition do you use? You have access to the price of every part in every
store from which you can calculate anything you like. A free market does not
mean you should have access to the averages of the prices, either current or
past.
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| Ok - let's remove free market from the equation. Why do you think Buyers
should not have easy access to the average price per piece? When I say easy
I mean access to the average price when purchasing a Wish List. I know I have
access if I go to each individual piece's page. But why should I as a Buyer
not have that access on a Wish List?
Vote for easy access to the average price per piece here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
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What definition do you use? You have access to the price of every part in every
store from which you can calculate anything you like. A free market does not
mean you should have access to the averages of the prices, either current or
past.
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| | | But why should I as a Buyer not have that access on a Wish List?
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We do, if you see the max price to the average price, then you have a baseline.
When browsing stores, I do not have to check any price guide, I make decision
base on that price.
Even easier is to create the wish list form brickstock when it can automatically
set the max price to the average or anything else.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Ok - let's remove free market from the equation. Why do you think Buyers
should not have easy access to the average price per piece? When I say easy
I mean access to the average price when purchasing a Wish List. I know I have
access if I go to each individual piece's page. But why should I as a Buyer
not have that access on a Wish List?
Vote for easy access to the average price per piece here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
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What definition do you use? You have access to the price of every part in every
store from which you can calculate anything you like. A free market does not
mean you should have access to the averages of the prices, either current or
past.
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I look at any suggestion as "If I only have so many hours to make change, do
I want to put the energy into this idea" and I use that to vote.
I look at the population of people that it would help and the effort they would
have to go through to replace it.
For instance, someone made a suggestion to take a two click process a much easier
one click process.
Now, two clicks is definitely twice as tough as one, but that's like saying
a ml of ocean water is only half as much as 2 mls of ocean water.
So, I would ask "what value is having the average price on a wanted list" when
you have the information elsewhere.
so you can pay the smallest amount possible to satisfy your own need while ignoring
every other cog in the machine?
The 'average' price is almost as arbitrary as you can get because it
will travel up or down every time someone lists something.
I go into a store that has a lot of items on my wanted list and I do a quick
comparison on how they price items. If they are average on the first things
I check, I assume they are average on most things. If they are low or high,
they probably will be across the board and only when there is a wild flucuation,
will I take a closer look
But like those people that spend 3 hours feeling up mini-figures so they don't
have to spend $8 on a double, it's about how you value your time.
if you want to spend a lot of timing picking over pennies, then do it, but with
so many other things that could improve this site, that's not even in the
top 10 (for me)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 13:56 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Ok - let's remove free market from the equation. Why do you think Buyers
should not have easy access to the average price per piece? When I say easy
I mean access to the average price when purchasing a Wish List. I know I have
access if I go to each individual piece's page. But why should I as a Buyer
not have that access on a Wish List?
Vote for easy access to the average price per piece here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
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What definition do you use? You have access to the price of every part in every
store from which you can calculate anything you like. A free market does not
mean you should have access to the averages of the prices, either current or
past.
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I didn't say they shouldn't, I said a free market doesn't mean you
should. If I go to a supermarket, the store doesn't give me the average price
of a banana or load of bread.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 14:01 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Thanks Yorbrick, may I count on your vote to bring back the average pricing tool?
You can vote here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Ok - let's remove free market from the equation. Why do you think Buyers
should not have easy access to the average price per piece? When I say easy
I mean access to the average price when purchasing a Wish List. I know I have
access if I go to each individual piece's page. But why should I as a Buyer
not have that access on a Wish List?
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I didn't say they shouldn't, I said a free market doesn't mean you
should. If I go to a supermarket, the store doesn't give me the average price
of a banana or load of bread.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 15:09 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| No you cannot, because I don't know why it was removed. If it comes back,
I'd prefer a different version too, one that includes fees.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 15:29 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Due to your obscure rants about the value of this feature, I've decided to
remove my yes vote. I'd like the feature back, but I as a long-term member
I refuse to allow your misguided attempts to be a leading factor to its return.
The site is just as functional as it was before the tool was implemented. I've
placed nearly 1500 orders and this feature won't be the cause of me not buying
more.
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Thanks Yorbrick, may I count on your vote to bring back the average pricing tool?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 14:29 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Why do you think Buyers
should not have easy access to the average price per piece? When I say easy
I mean access to the average price when purchasing a Wish List. I know I have
access if I go to each individual piece's page. But why should I as a Buyer
not have that access on a Wish List?
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^For the same reason that when I go to the grocery store to purchase a shopping
cart full of groceries, the store does not have a label under every product item
that shows how it compares to their competition.
The tools are out there for you to look up each item and how it compares and
compare it to other fees. Heck, as others have mentioned, you can list a maximum
price for each item on the Wanted list to make sure you are not paying 500% for
a pearl gold tile.
Voting No, even though I buy rather than sell parts, but I want to make sure
that the stores that make up what we call Bricklink can stay viable for the foreseeable
future. Without stores, there is no Bricklink, just a catalogue.
Miro
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| If you had access to an average pricing tool when grocery shopping, would you
use it?
If your answer is yes, then please vote yes at this link to bring back the average
pricing tool: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
In Suggestions, Miro78 writes:
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^For the same reason that when I go to the grocery store to purchase a shopping
cart full of groceries, the store does not have a label under every product item
that shows how it compares to their competition.
The tools are out there for you to look up each item and how it compares and
compare it to other fees. Heck, as others have mentioned, you can list a maximum
price for each item on the Wanted list to make sure you are not paying 500% for
a pearl gold tile.
Voting No, even though I buy rather than sell parts, but I want to make sure
that the stores that make up what we call Bricklink can stay viable for the foreseeable
future. Without stores, there is no Bricklink, just a catalogue.
Miro
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | If you had access to an average pricing tool when grocery shopping, would you
use it?
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No.
I welcome proper discussion, but please stop with the incessant campaigning.
Niek.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
I'm going to say no, I wouldn't use it. I don't care if a store ten
miles away charges for a loaf of bread, as the saving will not be worth the fuel
cost or time to get there.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | If you had access to an average pricing tool when grocery shopping, would you
use it?
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I was going to try to explain again why this feature is not a healthy and sustainable
feature, but I think some people just need to experience it firsthand. So my
suggestion to you is to try to run a profitable Bricklink store for a year or
two and get back to us on how you are doing.
Have a Good Day!
Miro
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| In Suggestions, Miro78 writes:
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I was going to try to explain again why this feature is not a healthy and sustainable
feature, but I think some people just need to experience it firsthand. So my
suggestion to you is to try to run a profitable Bricklink store for a year or
two and get back to us on how you are doing.
Have a Good Day!
Miro
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Miro - I understand your tone, I really do. And I say this with all due respect;
try building a Winter Village for 8 years and come back and tell us how it goes.
It takes a lot of time, it's a lot of hard work, and it's *very* expensive.
My profits come in the form of bricks, and I need to maximize my profits. I
had a tool to help me do that, and I used it, may I have it back now please?
Vote yes on the suggestion of giving the Buyer back the average pricing tool.
Use this link, vote yes in the upper left corner under author information: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Miro78 writes:
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I was going to try to explain again why this feature is not a healthy and sustainable
feature, but I think some people just need to experience it firsthand. So my
suggestion to you is to try to run a profitable Bricklink store for a year or
two and get back to us on how you are doing.
Have a Good Day!
Miro
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Miro - I understand your tone, I really do. And I say this with all due respect;
try building a Winter Village for 8 years and come back and tell us how it goes.
It takes a lot of time, it's a lot of hard work, and it's *very* expensive.
My profits come in the form of bricks, and I need to maximize my profits. I
had a tool to help me do that, and I used it, may I have it back now please?
Vote yes on the suggestion of giving the Buyer back the average pricing tool.
Use this link, vote yes in the upper left corner under author information: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1023819
You can go away now.
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| In Suggestions, dfurman writes:
I’m not done yet. I have yet to hear a convincing reason why I should not, en
masse, be able to tell which one of your Lego bricks is priced at or below average?
I already have access to this information, why can I not have easier access?
Why can’t it be made easier for me to tell which one of these stores carries
the largest selection of average priced pieces?
You can vote yes to the suggestion of making shopping easier on BL here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
Please also review previous posts in this thread for the tale of “If My Store
Closes the Entire Lego Marketplace Will Crumble to its Knees.” It’s a romantic
comedy…
-Toker
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, dfurman writes:
I’m not done yet. I have yet to hear a convincing reason why I should not, en
masse, be able to tell which one of your Lego bricks is priced at or below average?
I already have access to this information, why can I not have easier access?
Why can’t it be made easier for me to tell which one of these stores carries
the largest selection of average priced pieces?
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I don't think anyone has issues with this being discussed. But I for one
would really REALLY like if you stopped campaigning so much by adding the URL
each time.
Again, I don't ask this because I am necessarily against the suggestion,
I just find this is getting incredibly annoying. Everyone on the forum knows
by now where to vote. Please stop. Please.
Niek.
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
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I don't think anyone has issues with this being discussed. But I for one
would really REALLY like if you stopped campaigning so much by adding the URL
each time.
Again, I don't ask this because I am necessarily against the suggestion,
I just find this is getting incredibly annoying. Everyone on the forum knows
by now where to vote. Please stop. Please.
Niek.
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Hi Niek. As I'm sure 'everyone on the forum' has figured out by
now that I'm new here. And in my brief time here I have come to find that
I am one of at least 5 new people that have stumbled upon this forum in search
of the reason why the average pricing tool was removed. And as another member
suggested, this forum could use a little updating as it's not always easy
to follow conversations. So I want to make it real easy for those who are new
to find where they need to go to suggest that tool be brought back.
They can go here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
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| It is crystal clear you are only here to annoy. I am done with this childish
behavior.
Niek.
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| Niek - I am not here to annoy you. I'm annoyed. I am a grown man posting
on a forum for a child's toy trying to figure out why a tool I used to save
money has been removed.
Now I apologize for being in your sandbox but it seems to that this conversation
has done gone been had ready. So would you mind pointing me in the direction
of the thread where it was decided that the Buyer would foot the bill for maintaining
the solubility of the Lego marketplace?
And may I ask Niek - have you at any time been in direct contact with the administrators
of Bricklink concerning the average pricing tool? If so, what was your formal
complaint?
In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | It is crystal clear you are only here to annoy. I am done with this childish
behavior.
Niek.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Niek - I am not here to annoy you. I'm annoyed. I am a grown man posting
on a forum for a child's toy trying to figure out why a tool I used to save
money has been removed.
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The forum cannot answer that for you. Only the Administration can answer that
if they choose to and I think they might have seen your request(s) by now. Continuing
to post the same point over and over and over again will only frustrate the user
base and ultimately probably yourself too. I would personally figure I've
made myself heard and wait for the outcome. Just my advice from learning how
this place operates over many years.
Robert
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| In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
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The forum cannot answer that for you. Only the Administration can answer that
if they choose to and I think they might have seen your request(s) by now. Continuing
to post the same point over and over and over again will only frustrate the user
base and ultimately probably yourself too. I would personally figure I've
made myself heard and wait for the outcome. Just my advice from learning how
this place operates over many years.
Robert
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I'm already frustrated. I'm frustrated that I came down here and found
out all y'all weren't frustrated. That's very frustrating.
But I'll take a step back. No links. I even included a photo of my Winter
Village chocolate vendor stand. You know the Chocolate Factory over on eurobricks?
I'm collecting for that. Do you see? I'm invested here. I'm present.
I am not trolling you. Something's been going on in the past nine months
and I need to know what it is.
This 'forum base' you mention, who are they and who is their leader?
I need to know what kind of conversations have been going on about average price.
Is there a thread I can review or can someone provide me with a brief synopsis?
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This 'forum base' you mention, who are they and who is their leader? […]
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Yes, please someone. Take him to their leader.
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This 'forum base' you mention, who are they and who is their leader? […]
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Yes, please someone. Take him to their leader.
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Not sure about leader but I'm missing the community overseer role at the
moment.
Robert
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| In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
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This 'forum base' you mention, who are they and who is their leader? […]
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Yes, please someone. Take him to their leader.
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Not sure about leader but I'm missing the community overseer role at the
moment.
Robert
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I'm not sure I understand. You are the community overseer or we are missing
a community overseer?
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
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moment.
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I'm not sure I understand. You are the community overseer or we are missing
a community overseer?
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Community Overseer: Mnementh (19666) - Oct 31, 2005 - Dec 27, 2013
https://www.bricklink.com/memberAdmins.asp
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
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Can we elect a new Overseer? Someone to settle Forum disputes, consolidate a
consensus, and speak to the Administrators on the Forum's behalf in one voice.
The Overseer would of course have to ability to kick people like me off the
forums. O_O
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
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Can we elect a new Overseer? Someone to settle Forum disputes, consolidate a
consensus, and speak to the Administrators on the Forum's behalf in one voice.
The Overseer would of course have to ability to kick people like me off the
forums. O_O
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That is pretty much what that role did. We used to call it "flooding" when one
member constantly posted the same thing over and over again despite getting responses
from the community.
yes, really good idea
Robert
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
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Can we elect a new Overseer? Someone to settle Forum disputes, consolidate a
consensus, and speak to the Administrators on the Forum's behalf in one voice.
The Overseer would of course have to ability to kick people like me off the
forums. O_O
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Is this a forum dispute?
As Figbits said, nothing that ANY OF US say have a say in what actually happens.
You are not lobbying for something to happen, you are lobbying for people to
vote on whether people would like to see this happen.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
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This 'forum base' you mention, who are they and who is their leader? […]
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Yes, please someone. Take him to their leader.
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Not sure about leader but I'm missing the community overseer role at the
moment.
Robert
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I'm not sure I understand. You are the community overseer or we are missing
a community overseer?
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Missing
(certainly not volunteering BTW)
Robert
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
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The forum cannot answer that for you. Only the Administration can answer that
if they choose to and I think they might have seen your request(s) by now. Continuing
to post the same point over and over and over again will only frustrate the user
base and ultimately probably yourself too. I would personally figure I've
made myself heard and wait for the outcome. Just my advice from learning how
this place operates over many years.
Robert
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I'm already frustrated. I'm frustrated that I came down here and found
out all y'all weren't frustrated. That's very frustrating.
But I'll take a step back. No links. I even included a photo of my Winter
Village chocolate vendor stand. You know the Chocolate Factory over on eurobricks?
I'm collecting for that. Do you see? I'm invested here. I'm present.
I am not trolling you. Something's been going on in the past nine months
and I need to know what it is.
This 'forum base' you mention, who are they and who is their leader?
I need to know what kind of conversations have been going on about average price.
Is there a thread I can review or can someone provide me with a brief synopsis?
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I wonder how many sellers have stop-listed you based on you conduct here- i have
a feeling it's more than the number of sellers who sold to you.
Many people have given you reasonable arguments but you seem to cherry pick the
ones you want to answer to.
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| In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I wonder how many sellers have stop-listed you based on you conduct here- i have
a feeling it's more than the number of sellers who sold to you.
Many people have given you reasonable arguments but you seem to cherry pick the
ones you want to answer to.
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I need to cherry pick because I need the forum to focus. I have one question
that I've asked in various ways but have not yet received an adequate response
to.
As a Seller, why don't you want a Buyer to have immediate access to a comparison
of your price against the average price?
All I want is an honest answer. The fact that this tool isn't valuable when
grocery shopping is irrelevant. I'm willing to entertain an alternative
basis of the average price if that is your concern. I'm just unsure of why
you don't want your price compared to another, immediately at the point of
purchase.
What's your honest answer?
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What's your honest answer?
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Because it only compared one element of the price. If it compared all elements
of the price it would be better but of course. Mostly people compare prices then
go to the store. The tool was misleading to the buyer and causing unsustainability
for the site as a whole IMO.
If you actually read at least 10 of the answers you got already instead of ignoring
the bits you didn't want to hear you'd find that would already have been
answered however, I think that is what he meant by cherry picking.
Also, as I said before the answer you are looking for would only come from the
site administration, not the membership (forum being a subset of).
Robert
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| In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
I think that is what he meant by cherry picking.
I cherry pick. I don’t cherry pick out of indifference to anyone’s opinion or
to avoid confrontation with a valid argument. I have a reply to every reply
to my reply and I fully intend to reply to every reply of my reply but I can’t
reply all at once or I will flood the Basement, aka the forums. As you’ve pointed
out the conversation does at times run in circles and every day that it drags
on I need to give more thought and more consideration into each one of my replies
so that I can do my part to see that the conversation moves forward. So I cherry
pick. People are watching. This is important. To everyone.
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
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apart from that, he's nuts (well he might not be, just it looks like it
from that post!)
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Are you sure you don't want to be the Overseer? I would nominate you, I
trust your judgement.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I wonder how many sellers have stop-listed you based on you conduct here- i have
a feeling it's more than the number of sellers who sold to you.
Many people have given you reasonable arguments but you seem to cherry pick the
ones you want to answer to.
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I need to cherry pick because I need the forum to focus. I have one question
that I've asked in various ways but have not yet received an adequate response
to.
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There have been several adequate responses, just not the one you wanted to hear.
You ignored my answer
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031247
The tool might have given you a false sense of security, but it was flawed in
may ways.
You also ignored:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031298
(Many store cut item prices but have high fees (...) those fees are not reflected
in the price guide.)
and
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031366
(Too many buyers and sellers are looking at averages blindly, not
taking into account other factors like some countries having purchase taxes and
others not (...) There aremany other factors such as add-on fees, different postal
costs in different markets, etc, etc. )
Just a few examples...
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As a Seller, why don't you want a Buyer to have immediate access to a comparison
of your price against the average price?
All I want is an honest answer. The fact that this tool isn't valuable when
grocery shopping is irrelevant. I'm willing to entertain an alternative
basis of the average price if that is your concern. I'm just unsure of why
you don't want your price compared to another, immediately at the point of
purchase.
What's your honest answer?
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | As a Seller, why don't you want a Buyer to have immediate access to a comparison
of your price against the average price?
All I want is an honest answer. The fact that this tool isn't valuable when
grocery shopping is irrelevant. I'm willing to entertain an alternative
basis of the average price if that is your concern. I'm just unsure of why
you don't want your price compared to another, immediately at the point of
purchase.
What's your honest answer?
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Having such a tool encourages sellers to implement deceptive practices.
Imagine two stores: One has average prices, honest shipping costs, and no hidden
fees. The other has lower than average prices, but charges an extra $3 on shipping,
and adds 5% to the final total for Paypal fees.
The price comparison tool will lead buyers to the second store, even if their
order would cost more there.
I agree that it's a good thing for buyers to be able to see where they can
get what they want at a good price. For that to happen transparently, the comparison
tools need to include total final cost, not just the listed cost of the parts.
That is not possible without automated checkout.
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Marc.
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| https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=coldis-13#T=P
There are 3 Mr. Incredible for sale for less than a penny and one for $91.
And even with the way it is, any one that is shopping has the option of comparing
prices if they are so motivated, but as many people have said, it's only
the base price and doesn't contain necessary information like
Paypal fees
lot fees
shipping costs
likelihood of actually getting the order
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I wonder how many sellers have stop-listed you based on you conduct here- i have
a feeling it's more than the number of sellers who sold to you.
Many people have given you reasonable arguments but you seem to cherry pick the
ones you want to answer to.
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I need to cherry pick because I need the forum to focus. I have one question
that I've asked in various ways but have not yet received an adequate response
to.
As a Seller, why don't you want a Buyer to have immediate access to a comparison
of your price against the average price?
All I want is an honest answer. The fact that this tool isn't valuable when
grocery shopping is irrelevant. I'm willing to entertain an alternative
basis of the average price if that is your concern. I'm just unsure of why
you don't want your price compared to another, immediately at the point of
purchase.
What's your honest answer?
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | As a Seller, why don't you want a Buyer to have immediate access to a comparison
of your price against the average price?
What's your honest answer?
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(snapped)
It is a partly random number that influences the feeling of a buyer whether a
deal is good or not. I usually don't use this feature because I have other
priorities when buying.
Imagine you buy a pack of apples. Every month. They cost always 2$. One day they
offer leftovers or promotion-bags or whatever you can imagine better. The bag
costs now 0.10$. From now on you will always see a 2$ (1.68$ average price, +18.8%)
tag beside the apples.
What does this help you? What does it do to the market?
Please think about it. You might find some answers in yourself.
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(snapped)
It is a partly random number that influences the feeling of a buyer whether a
deal is good or not. I usually don't use this feature because I have other
priorities when buying.
Imagine you buy a pack of apples. Every month. They cost always 2$. One day they
offer leftovers or promotion-bags or whatever you can imagine better. The bag
costs now 0.10$. From now on you will always see a 2$ (1.68$ average price, +18.8%)
tag beside the apples.
What does this help you? What does it do to the market?
Please think about it. You might find some answers in yourself.
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I don’t buy one apple. I buy lots of apples. I buy lots of different kinds
of apples. Lately I’ve been buying pearl gold apples because I’m working on
a pearl gold apple pie. Every day I would come over to the Orchard and buy these
apples and they’re always $2.00. Every day when I go to purchase these apples
I would see their price at $2.00 and next to it I would see average price, which
was also $2.00. One day someone shows up at the Orchard with left over pearl
gold apples from the pearl gold apple pie that they baked and they’re listing
their pearl gold apples for $0.10. That’s a great deal! It’s so great that
someone buys them right away and it drags the average price of pearl gold apples
to $1.05 ($2.00 plus $0.10 divided by 2. I’m not sure where $1.68 came from
but the premise is the same). So today I show up at the Orchard to buy my pearl
gold apples and I see a price of $2.00 and an average price of $1.05. $1.05?!
Well I want the $1.05 apples so I look around and I can’t find them. Someone
purchased them yesterday. They didn’t actually purchase $1.05 pearl gold apples
they purchased $0.10 pearl gold apples but I don’t know that. It’s a $0.95 difference
and I’m committed to my pearl gold apple pie so I purchase the $2.00 pearl gold
apples. The average price just went up to $1.36. Another apple seller shows
up at the Orchard and they have pearl gold apples they want to sell. They go
to list them and they see that the average price is $1.36 and they laugh and
laugh. They say to themselves ‘There is no way I can list my pearl gold apples
for $1.36, what exactly are pearl gold apples going for?’ So they look and they
see that only one seller has pearl gold apples and they’re selling them for $2.00.
The seller says to themselves ‘I can’t list my apples for $1.36, I’ll never
make a profit. But I can list them for $1.75. It’s a little lower then I’d
want and it’s higher than the average price, but it’s lower than listed price
so I know I’ll move them faster and still make a profit.’ I come back to the
Orchard because I am obsessed with my pearl gold apple pie, it’s gonna be the
best pearl gold apple pie ever! I see pearl gold apples for $2.00 and an average
price of $1.36. That’s different than yesterday, the average price changed.
There is movement in the pearl gold apple market. I’m going to move with it.
I look around and lo and behold I find $1.75 pearl gold apples. I buy them.
The average price just went up to $1.46. Another seller shows up with pearl
gold apple pies and this seller has got promos. They go to list their pearl
gold apple pies and see the average price of $1.46 and they laugh and laugh and
they say to themselves ‘There are 2 sellers out here with pearl gold apples and
pearl gold apples are not special, I got promos I can list these for a $1.00
and make a profit.’ The average price drops again to $1.37. The market is saturated
with pearl gold apples and the average price keeps dropping. I show up and I
see pearl gold apples for $2.00, $1.75 and $1.00 with an average price of $1.37.
Everyone has been buying the $1.00 and dude only has one left. Today I need
2 pearl gold apples. So I buy 2 pearl gold apples from the $1.75 seller. Don’t
you know the average price went up again to $1.48. At this point the $2.00 pearl
gold apple seller is like ‘This is ridiculous. Pearl gold apples are not a $1.48,
I have been selling pearl gold apples for $2.00 since Britany shaved her head.
It’s not fair that the market has become saturated with pearl gold apples.
It’s not fair that other sellers are able to sell pearl gold apples for less
than $2.00 and still make a profit. I should make the profit. I was here first
and I know the true value of pearl gold apples.’ So he just leans back and watches.
Everyone is buying and selling pearl gold apples left and right. It’s a booming,
bustling market and it’s moving on without him. He keeps watching and he notices
the market isn’t as saturated with pearl gold apples anymore. Everyone has been
buying them cheap and inventory is running thin. And the $2.00 apple seller
says to himself ‘I know the true value of pearl gold apples. The true value
is $5.00.’ I show up at the Orchard and I see pearl gold apples for $0.10 (dude
is back with more leftovers), $1.00, $1.75, $5.00. This market is crazy, this
market is out the box. I need some type of guide to tell me what’s what because
dude with the $0.10 only has 1 left, dude with $1.00 has 2 and $1.75 dude has
1. The $5.00 pearl gold apple seller has 50 pearl gold apples. So I look at
the average price of $1.48 and that $1.48 tells me that in the last 6 months
the market was saturated with pearl gold apples. Pearl gold apples will probably
never sell for $1.48, it’s an average price not an actual price. I know this,
I’m using the average price to gauge prices. And that average price tells me
that pearl gold apples are nowhere near $5.00. So I walk away. I come back
the next day and the average price is gone. I see 1 or 2 apples selling for
dirt cheap and I see 50 selling for a $5.00. If I was new I was assume that
the average price of pearl gold apples was $5.00 because that’s what the market
is saturated with – expensive pearl gold apples. But I’m not new. I’ve been
to this Orchard before and I remember that the average price is about $1.48.
So I look over at the $5.00 pearl gold apple seller and I’m like “What’s up
with the price? Isn’t the average price about $1.48?” The $5.00 pearl gold
apple seller looks me right in the eye and stone cold says “The average price
is an arbitrary number and is not the true value of pearl gold apples. I know
the true value. The true value is $5.00. If you don’t want to pay $5.00 then
you don’t know the true value and you don’t want these pearl gold apples bad
enough.”
I just look back at him and blink.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Heartbricker | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 11:28 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pher writes:
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(snapped)
It is a partly random number that influences the feeling of a buyer whether a
deal is good or not. I usually don't use this feature because I have other
priorities when buying.
Imagine you buy a pack of apples. Every month. They cost always 2$. One day they
offer leftovers or promotion-bags or whatever you can imagine better. The bag
costs now 0.10$. From now on you will always see a 2$ (1.68$ average price, +18.8%)
tag beside the apples.
What does this help you? What does it do to the market?
Please think about it. You might find some answers in yourself.
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Blah, blah, blah...
I just look back at him and blink.
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There you go again ignoring the sensible arguments and ranting about... whatever...
you're only damaging your own interest...
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| In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
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There you go again ignoring the sensible arguments and ranting about... whatever...
you're only damaging your own interest...
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Bless your heart
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| You may have spent more time crafting that analogy that you would simply getting
around the function by looking things up.
I want to make a pearl gold apple pie, I see them listed for $2
I evaluate if I want the $2 or the apple.
If I want the $2, I decide I don't need the pie after all.
If I would rather have the pie, I buy the apples for $2
If I come back and see that someone bought some apples for $.10, but it was an
abberation, the apples are still worth $2 to me. If they ever show up cheaper,
that's great, but if they don't, I'm still happy to buy them because
they are worth that to me.
I go to a farmers market and one stand has a bunch of stuff I want, but I noticed
that he sells his apples for $4.
I take a look at a few more examples and determine that he prices everything
at 2x what it normally costs. I don't care to check everything, so I no
longer look at his store.
You see, he 'may' have some fair deals on asparagus, but since it failed
my initial test, my time is too valuable to nit pick sales.
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pher writes:
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(snapped)
It is a partly random number that influences the feeling of a buyer whether a
deal is good or not. I usually don't use this feature because I have other
priorities when buying.
Imagine you buy a pack of apples. Every month. They cost always 2$. One day they
offer leftovers or promotion-bags or whatever you can imagine better. The bag
costs now 0.10$. From now on you will always see a 2$ (1.68$ average price, +18.8%)
tag beside the apples.
What does this help you? What does it do to the market?
Please think about it. You might find some answers in yourself.
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I don’t buy one apple. I buy lots of apples. I buy lots of different kinds
of apples. Lately I’ve been buying pearl gold apples because I’m working on
a pearl gold apple pie. Every day I would come over to the Orchard and buy these
apples and they’re always $2.00. Every day when I go to purchase these apples
I would see their price at $2.00 and next to it I would see average price, which
was also $2.00. One day someone shows up at the Orchard with left over pearl
gold apples from the pearl gold apple pie that they baked and they’re listing
their pearl gold apples for $0.10. That’s a great deal! It’s so great that
someone buys them right away and it drags the average price of pearl gold apples
to $1.05 ($2.00 plus $0.10 divided by 2. I’m not sure where $1.68 came from
but the premise is the same). So today I show up at the Orchard to buy my pearl
gold apples and I see a price of $2.00 and an average price of $1.05. $1.05?!
Well I want the $1.05 apples so I look around and I can’t find them. Someone
purchased them yesterday. They didn’t actually purchase $1.05 pearl gold apples
they purchased $0.10 pearl gold apples but I don’t know that. It’s a $0.95 difference
and I’m committed to my pearl gold apple pie so I purchase the $2.00 pearl gold
apples. The average price just went up to $1.36. Another apple seller shows
up at the Orchard and they have pearl gold apples they want to sell. They go
to list them and they see that the average price is $1.36 and they laugh and
laugh. They say to themselves ‘There is no way I can list my pearl gold apples
for $1.36, what exactly are pearl gold apples going for?’ So they look and they
see that only one seller has pearl gold apples and they’re selling them for $2.00.
The seller says to themselves ‘I can’t list my apples for $1.36, I’ll never
make a profit. But I can list them for $1.75. It’s a little lower then I’d
want and it’s higher than the average price, but it’s lower than listed price
so I know I’ll move them faster and still make a profit.’ I come back to the
Orchard because I am obsessed with my pearl gold apple pie, it’s gonna be the
best pearl gold apple pie ever! I see pearl gold apples for $2.00 and an average
price of $1.36. That’s different than yesterday, the average price changed.
There is movement in the pearl gold apple market. I’m going to move with it.
I look around and lo and behold I find $1.75 pearl gold apples. I buy them.
The average price just went up to $1.46. Another seller shows up with pearl
gold apple pies and this seller has got promos. They go to list their pearl
gold apple pies and see the average price of $1.46 and they laugh and laugh and
they say to themselves ‘There are 2 sellers out here with pearl gold apples and
pearl gold apples are not special, I got promos I can list these for a $1.00
and make a profit.’ The average price drops again to $1.37. The market is saturated
with pearl gold apples and the average price keeps dropping. I show up and I
see pearl gold apples for $2.00, $1.75 and $1.00 with an average price of $1.37.
Everyone has been buying the $1.00 and dude only has one left. Today I need
2 pearl gold apples. So I buy 2 pearl gold apples from the $1.75 seller. Don’t
you know the average price went up again to $1.48. At this point the $2.00 pearl
gold apple seller is like ‘This is ridiculous. Pearl gold apples are not a $1.48,
I have been selling pearl gold apples for $2.00 since Britany shaved her head.
It’s not fair that the market has become saturated with pearl gold apples.
It’s not fair that other sellers are able to sell pearl gold apples for less
than $2.00 and still make a profit. I should make the profit. I was here first
and I know the true value of pearl gold apples.’ So he just leans back and watches.
Everyone is buying and selling pearl gold apples left and right. It’s a booming,
bustling market and it’s moving on without him. He keeps watching and he notices
the market isn’t as saturated with pearl gold apples anymore. Everyone has been
buying them cheap and inventory is running thin. And the $2.00 apple seller
says to himself ‘I know the true value of pearl gold apples. The true value
is $5.00.’ I show up at the Orchard and I see pearl gold apples for $0.10 (dude
is back with more leftovers), $1.00, $1.75, $5.00. This market is crazy, this
market is out the box. I need some type of guide to tell me what’s what because
dude with the $0.10 only has 1 left, dude with $1.00 has 2 and $1.75 dude has
1. The $5.00 pearl gold apple seller has 50 pearl gold apples. So I look at
the average price of $1.48 and that $1.48 tells me that in the last 6 months
the market was saturated with pearl gold apples. Pearl gold apples will probably
never sell for $1.48, it’s an average price not an actual price. I know this,
I’m using the average price to gauge prices. And that average price tells me
that pearl gold apples are nowhere near $5.00. So I walk away. I come back
the next day and the average price is gone. I see 1 or 2 apples selling for
dirt cheap and I see 50 selling for a $5.00. If I was new I was assume that
the average price of pearl gold apples was $5.00 because that’s what the market
is saturated with – expensive pearl gold apples. But I’m not new. I’ve been
to this Orchard before and I remember that the average price is about $1.48.
So I look over at the $5.00 pearl gold apple seller and I’m like “What’s up
with the price? Isn’t the average price about $1.48?” The $5.00 pearl gold
apple seller looks me right in the eye and stone cold says “The average price
is an arbitrary number and is not the true value of pearl gold apples. I know
the true value. The true value is $5.00. If you don’t want to pay $5.00 then
you don’t know the true value and you don’t want these pearl gold apples bad
enough.”
I just look back at him and blink.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mgiglio | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 12:07 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | You may have spent more time crafting that analogy that you would simply getting
around the function by looking things up.
I want to make a pearl gold apple pie, I see them listed for $2
I evaluate if I want the $2 or the apple.
If I want the $2, I decide I don't need the pie after all.
If I would rather have the pie, I buy the apples for $2
If I come back and see that someone bought some apples for $.10, but it was an
abberation, the apples are still worth $2 to me. If they ever show up cheaper,
that's great, but if they don't, I'm still happy to buy them because
they are worth that to me.
I go to a farmers market and one stand has a bunch of stuff I want, but I noticed
that he sells his apples for $4.
I take a look at a few more examples and determine that he prices everything
at 2x what it normally costs. I don't care to check everything, so I no
longer look at his store.
You see, he 'may' have some fair deals on asparagus, but since it failed
my initial test, my time is too valuable to nit pick sales.
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pher writes:
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(snapped)
It is a partly random number that influences the feeling of a buyer whether a
deal is good or not. I usually don't use this feature because I have other
priorities when buying.
Imagine you buy a pack of apples. Every month. They cost always 2$. One day they
offer leftovers or promotion-bags or whatever you can imagine better. The bag
costs now 0.10$. From now on you will always see a 2$ (1.68$ average price, +18.8%)
tag beside the apples.
What does this help you? What does it do to the market?
Please think about it. You might find some answers in yourself.
|
I don’t buy one apple. I buy lots of apples. I buy lots of different kinds
of apples. Lately I’ve been buying pearl gold apples because I’m working on
a pearl gold apple pie. Every day I would come over to the Orchard and buy these
apples and they’re always $2.00. Every day when I go to purchase these apples
I would see their price at $2.00 and next to it I would see average price, which
was also $2.00. One day someone shows up at the Orchard with left over pearl
gold apples from the pearl gold apple pie that they baked and they’re listing
their pearl gold apples for $0.10. That’s a great deal! It’s so great that
someone buys them right away and it drags the average price of pearl gold apples
to $1.05 ($2.00 plus $0.10 divided by 2. I’m not sure where $1.68 came from
but the premise is the same). So today I show up at the Orchard to buy my pearl
gold apples and I see a price of $2.00 and an average price of $1.05. $1.05?!
Well I want the $1.05 apples so I look around and I can’t find them. Someone
purchased them yesterday. They didn’t actually purchase $1.05 pearl gold apples
they purchased $0.10 pearl gold apples but I don’t know that. It’s a $0.95 difference
and I’m committed to my pearl gold apple pie so I purchase the $2.00 pearl gold
apples. The average price just went up to $1.36. Another apple seller shows
up at the Orchard and they have pearl gold apples they want to sell. They go
to list them and they see that the average price is $1.36 and they laugh and
laugh. They say to themselves ‘There is no way I can list my pearl gold apples
for $1.36, what exactly are pearl gold apples going for?’ So they look and they
see that only one seller has pearl gold apples and they’re selling them for $2.00.
The seller says to themselves ‘I can’t list my apples for $1.36, I’ll never
make a profit. But I can list them for $1.75. It’s a little lower then I’d
want and it’s higher than the average price, but it’s lower than listed price
so I know I’ll move them faster and still make a profit.’ I come back to the
Orchard because I am obsessed with my pearl gold apple pie, it’s gonna be the
best pearl gold apple pie ever! I see pearl gold apples for $2.00 and an average
price of $1.36. That’s different than yesterday, the average price changed.
There is movement in the pearl gold apple market. I’m going to move with it.
I look around and lo and behold I find $1.75 pearl gold apples. I buy them.
The average price just went up to $1.46. Another seller shows up with pearl
gold apple pies and this seller has got promos. They go to list their pearl
gold apple pies and see the average price of $1.46 and they laugh and laugh and
they say to themselves ‘There are 2 sellers out here with pearl gold apples and
pearl gold apples are not special, I got promos I can list these for a $1.00
and make a profit.’ The average price drops again to $1.37. The market is saturated
with pearl gold apples and the average price keeps dropping. I show up and I
see pearl gold apples for $2.00, $1.75 and $1.00 with an average price of $1.37.
Everyone has been buying the $1.00 and dude only has one left. Today I need
2 pearl gold apples. So I buy 2 pearl gold apples from the $1.75 seller. Don’t
you know the average price went up again to $1.48. At this point the $2.00 pearl
gold apple seller is like ‘This is ridiculous. Pearl gold apples are not a $1.48,
I have been selling pearl gold apples for $2.00 since Britany shaved her head.
It’s not fair that the market has become saturated with pearl gold apples.
It’s not fair that other sellers are able to sell pearl gold apples for less
than $2.00 and still make a profit. I should make the profit. I was here first
and I know the true value of pearl gold apples.’ So he just leans back and watches.
Everyone is buying and selling pearl gold apples left and right. It’s a booming,
bustling market and it’s moving on without him. He keeps watching and he notices
the market isn’t as saturated with pearl gold apples anymore. Everyone has been
buying them cheap and inventory is running thin. And the $2.00 apple seller
says to himself ‘I know the true value of pearl gold apples. The true value
is $5.00.’ I show up at the Orchard and I see pearl gold apples for $0.10 (dude
is back with more leftovers), $1.00, $1.75, $5.00. This market is crazy, this
market is out the box. I need some type of guide to tell me what’s what because
dude with the $0.10 only has 1 left, dude with $1.00 has 2 and $1.75 dude has
1. The $5.00 pearl gold apple seller has 50 pearl gold apples. So I look at
the average price of $1.48 and that $1.48 tells me that in the last 6 months
the market was saturated with pearl gold apples. Pearl gold apples will probably
never sell for $1.48, it’s an average price not an actual price. I know this,
I’m using the average price to gauge prices. And that average price tells me
that pearl gold apples are nowhere near $5.00. So I walk away. I come back
the next day and the average price is gone. I see 1 or 2 apples selling for
dirt cheap and I see 50 selling for a $5.00. If I was new I was assume that
the average price of pearl gold apples was $5.00 because that’s what the market
is saturated with – expensive pearl gold apples. But I’m not new. I’ve been
to this Orchard before and I remember that the average price is about $1.48.
So I look over at the $5.00 pearl gold apple seller and I’m like “What’s up
with the price? Isn’t the average price about $1.48?” The $5.00 pearl gold
apple seller looks me right in the eye and stone cold says “The average price
is an arbitrary number and is not the true value of pearl gold apples. I know
the true value. The true value is $5.00. If you don’t want to pay $5.00 then
you don’t know the true value and you don’t want these pearl gold apples bad
enough.”
I just look back at him and blink.
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Part of the way I decide if I want the apple or the $2 is by knowing whether
$2 is a fair price for that apple. The way I know the fair price is knowing how
much other people have paid for it in the past. If the apple generally costs
$2, then i'll buy it, because i want it and I can spare the two bucks. If
i know others have gotten them for $1 many times in the past, well then I'll
probably wait until a $1 apple is available again. I don't need it that bad.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
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I do the same
Here the price is quite seasonal and varies dependent on the weather
I've learn't to live with it but it would be really great if there were
no seasons...hang on, I quite like the seasons really
sometimes I have to settle for green ones
the green ones aren't so shiny though
perhaps I should use one of those price comparison sites... hmm maybe not, nearly
got ripped off on my car insurance using one of those last year, cheapest result
was actually significantly more expensive than what I eventually paid and was
a crap policy (another story but people probably don't want me to write an
essay on it)
what the??? is this place going insane? No, it might look that way but there
are 10's of thousands of people going about their business as usual in the
transacting sections, probably that fake news phenomena thingy on the internet.
never mind worse things in the news to be concerned about today, "I'm out"
as they say, got to post all those packages.
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Pher | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 14:27 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I can highly recommend the book (or talks on youtube) "Predictabily Irrational"
from the Harvard professor Dan Ariely
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | | | I just look back at him and blink.
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I do the same
Here the price is quite seasonal and varies dependent on the weather
I've learn't to live with it but it would be really great if there were
no seasons...hang on, I quite like the seasons really
sometimes I have to settle for green ones
the green ones aren't so shiny though
perhaps I should use one of those price comparison sites... hmm maybe not, nearly
got ripped off on my car insurance using one of those last year, cheapest result
was actually significantly more expensive than what I eventually paid and was
a crap policy (another story but people probably don't want me to write an
essay on it)
what the??? is this place going insane? No, it might look that way but there
are 10's of thousands of people going about their business as usual in the
transacting sections, probably that fake news phenomena thingy on the internet.
never mind worse things in the news to be concerned about today, "I'm out"
as they say, got to post all those packages.
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mgiglio | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 12:13 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pher writes:
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(snapped)
It is a partly random number that influences the feeling of a buyer whether a
deal is good or not. I usually don't use this feature because I have other
priorities when buying.
Imagine you buy a pack of apples. Every month. They cost always 2$. One day they
offer leftovers or promotion-bags or whatever you can imagine better. The bag
costs now 0.10$. From now on you will always see a 2$ (1.68$ average price, +18.8%)
tag beside the apples.
What does this help you? What does it do to the market?
Please think about it. You might find some answers in yourself.
|
I don’t buy one apple. I buy lots of apples. I buy lots of different kinds
of apples. Lately I’ve been buying pearl gold apples because I’m working on
a pearl gold apple pie. Every day I would come over to the Orchard and buy these
apples and they’re always $2.00. Every day when I go to purchase these apples
I would see their price at $2.00 and next to it I would see average price, which
was also $2.00. One day someone shows up at the Orchard with left over pearl
gold apples from the pearl gold apple pie that they baked and they’re listing
their pearl gold apples for $0.10. That’s a great deal! It’s so great that
someone buys them right away and it drags the average price of pearl gold apples
to $1.05 ($2.00 plus $0.10 divided by 2. I’m not sure where $1.68 came from
but the premise is the same). So today I show up at the Orchard to buy my pearl
gold apples and I see a price of $2.00 and an average price of $1.05. $1.05?!
Well I want the $1.05 apples so I look around and I can’t find them. Someone
purchased them yesterday. They didn’t actually purchase $1.05 pearl gold apples
they purchased $0.10 pearl gold apples but I don’t know that. It’s a $0.95 difference
and I’m committed to my pearl gold apple pie so I purchase the $2.00 pearl gold
apples. The average price just went up to $1.36. Another apple seller shows
up at the Orchard and they have pearl gold apples they want to sell. They go
to list them and they see that the average price is $1.36 and they laugh and
laugh. They say to themselves ‘There is no way I can list my pearl gold apples
for $1.36, what exactly are pearl gold apples going for?’ So they look and they
see that only one seller has pearl gold apples and they’re selling them for $2.00.
The seller says to themselves ‘I can’t list my apples for $1.36, I’ll never
make a profit. But I can list them for $1.75. It’s a little lower then I’d
want and it’s higher than the average price, but it’s lower than listed price
so I know I’ll move them faster and still make a profit.’ I come back to the
Orchard because I am obsessed with my pearl gold apple pie, it’s gonna be the
best pearl gold apple pie ever! I see pearl gold apples for $2.00 and an average
price of $1.36. That’s different than yesterday, the average price changed.
There is movement in the pearl gold apple market. I’m going to move with it.
I look around and lo and behold I find $1.75 pearl gold apples. I buy them.
The average price just went up to $1.46. Another seller shows up with pearl
gold apple pies and this seller has got promos. They go to list their pearl
gold apple pies and see the average price of $1.46 and they laugh and laugh and
they say to themselves ‘There are 2 sellers out here with pearl gold apples and
pearl gold apples are not special, I got promos I can list these for a $1.00
and make a profit.’ The average price drops again to $1.37. The market is saturated
with pearl gold apples and the average price keeps dropping. I show up and I
see pearl gold apples for $2.00, $1.75 and $1.00 with an average price of $1.37.
Everyone has been buying the $1.00 and dude only has one left. Today I need
2 pearl gold apples. So I buy 2 pearl gold apples from the $1.75 seller. Don’t
you know the average price went up again to $1.48. At this point the $2.00 pearl
gold apple seller is like ‘This is ridiculous. Pearl gold apples are not a $1.48,
I have been selling pearl gold apples for $2.00 since Britany shaved her head.
It’s not fair that the market has become saturated with pearl gold apples.
It’s not fair that other sellers are able to sell pearl gold apples for less
than $2.00 and still make a profit. I should make the profit. I was here first
and I know the true value of pearl gold apples.’ So he just leans back and watches.
Everyone is buying and selling pearl gold apples left and right. It’s a booming,
bustling market and it’s moving on without him. He keeps watching and he notices
the market isn’t as saturated with pearl gold apples anymore. Everyone has been
buying them cheap and inventory is running thin. And the $2.00 apple seller
says to himself ‘I know the true value of pearl gold apples. The true value
is $5.00.’ I show up at the Orchard and I see pearl gold apples for $0.10 (dude
is back with more leftovers), $1.00, $1.75, $5.00. This market is crazy, this
market is out the box. I need some type of guide to tell me what’s what because
dude with the $0.10 only has 1 left, dude with $1.00 has 2 and $1.75 dude has
1. The $5.00 pearl gold apple seller has 50 pearl gold apples. So I look at
the average price of $1.48 and that $1.48 tells me that in the last 6 months
the market was saturated with pearl gold apples. Pearl gold apples will probably
never sell for $1.48, it’s an average price not an actual price. I know this,
I’m using the average price to gauge prices. And that average price tells me
that pearl gold apples are nowhere near $5.00. So I walk away. I come back
the next day and the average price is gone. I see 1 or 2 apples selling for
dirt cheap and I see 50 selling for a $5.00. If I was new I was assume that
the average price of pearl gold apples was $5.00 because that’s what the market
is saturated with – expensive pearl gold apples. But I’m not new. I’ve been
to this Orchard before and I remember that the average price is about $1.48.
So I look over at the $5.00 pearl gold apple seller and I’m like “What’s up
with the price? Isn’t the average price about $1.48?” The $5.00 pearl gold
apple seller looks me right in the eye and stone cold says “The average price
is an arbitrary number and is not the true value of pearl gold apples. I know
the true value. The true value is $5.00. If you don’t want to pay $5.00 then
you don’t know the true value and you don’t want these pearl gold apples bad
enough.”
I just look back at him and blink.
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this guy is catching a lot of flack for his attitude here, but he's right.
the value of the item is not based on how much it's worth in my heart of
hearts. the value is based on past sales, and how badly i want that part right
now. if i have to have it now and it's listed high, i'll probably buy
it. if i can wait, i'll wait for the day that a cheaper one comes along.
here's the important part: the average price comparison lets me gauge the
likelyhood that day will ever come.
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| In Suggestions, mgiglio writes:
| | this guy is catching a lot of flack for his attitude here, but he's right.
the value of the item is not based on how much it's worth in my heart of
hearts. the value is based on past sales
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In every other market place it is based on current availability and how badly
you (and everyone else) wants it. Past sales are a guide based on supply and
demand...in the past and those past sales prices for all sorts of reasons do
not always reflect what was actually paid.... that said it is a guide but not
one you can use to definitely price an item with, it never has been, too many
other variables and unknowns in the data.
As you re based in the USA the global average price will be showing at least
20% higher than the average sales price locally in your market from my experience
(excluding shipping an other add-ons)
apart from that, he's nuts (well he might not be, just it looks like it
from that post!)
Robert
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| | | this guy is catching a lot of flack for his attitude here, but he's right.
the value of the item is not based on how much it's worth in my heart of
hearts. the value is based on past sales, and how badly i want that part right
now. if i have to have it now and it's listed high, i'll probably buy
it. if i can wait, i'll wait for the day that a cheaper one comes along.
here's the important part: the average price comparison lets me gauge the
likelyhood that day will ever come.
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Past performance is great, so long as current and future performance doesn't
change much. In that case, value is pretty much what others have paid.
But it is not a good indicator for non-standard items. Parts that are just released
that very few sellers have will often have a high 6mo price, but chances are
it won't sell at that much longer once more sellers get the part. The price
will drop. Parts that were relatively available but are no longer current and
likely to get snapped up (like when the Arvo brothers use the part in quantity
in a design) will have the opposite behaviour. They'll be cheap to start
with, and all the cheap ones start then disappearing - even though you might
feel you would pay 50c for them now, the 6mo ave is 25c so you don't buy,
and then in a month the lowest price is $1. For some parts, there is more to
the value than the past performance. Past performance only works for parts that
change price very slowly.
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(snapped)
It is a partly random number that influences the feeling of a buyer whether a
deal is good or not. I usually don't use this feature because I have other
priorities when buying.
Imagine you buy a pack of apples. Every month. They cost always 2$. One day they
offer leftovers or promotion-bags or whatever you can imagine better. The bag
costs now 0.10$. From now on you will always see a 2$ (1.68$ average price, +18.8%)
tag beside the apples.
What does this help you? What does it do to the market?
Please think about it. You might find some answers in yourself.
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I don’t buy one apple. I buy lots of apples. I buy lots of different kinds
of apples. Lately I’ve been buying pearl gold apples because I’m working on
a pearl gold apple pie. Every day I would come over to the Orchard and buy these
apples and they’re always $2.00. Every day when I go to purchase these apples
I would see their price at $2.00 and next to it I would see average price, which
was also $2.00. One day someone shows up at the Orchard with left over pearl
gold apples from the pearl gold apple pie that they baked and they’re listing
their pearl gold apples for $0.10. That’s a great deal! It’s so great that
someone buys them right away and it drags the average price of pearl gold apples
to $1.05 ($2.00 plus $0.10 divided by 2. I’m not sure where $1.68 came from
but the premise is the same). So today I show up at the Orchard to buy my pearl
gold apples and I see a price of $2.00 and an average price of $1.05. $1.05?!
Well I want the $1.05 apples so I look around and I can’t find them. Someone
purchased them yesterday. They didn’t actually purchase $1.05 pearl gold apples
they purchased $0.10 pearl gold apples but I don’t know that. It’s a $0.95 difference
and I’m committed to my pearl gold apple pie so I purchase the $2.00 pearl gold
apples. The average price just went up to $1.36. Another apple seller shows
up at the Orchard and they have pearl gold apples they want to sell. They go
to list them and they see that the average price is $1.36 and they laugh and
laugh. They say to themselves ‘There is no way I can list my pearl gold apples
for $1.36, what exactly are pearl gold apples going for?’ So they look and they
see that only one seller has pearl gold apples and they’re selling them for $2.00.
The seller says to themselves ‘I can’t list my apples for $1.36, I’ll never
make a profit. But I can list them for $1.75. It’s a little lower then I’d
want and it’s higher than the average price, but it’s lower than listed price
so I know I’ll move them faster and still make a profit.’ I come back to the
Orchard because I am obsessed with my pearl gold apple pie, it’s gonna be the
best pearl gold apple pie ever! I see pearl gold apples for $2.00 and an average
price of $1.36. That’s different than yesterday, the average price changed.
There is movement in the pearl gold apple market. I’m going to move with it.
I look around and lo and behold I find $1.75 pearl gold apples. I buy them.
The average price just went up to $1.46. Another seller shows up with pearl
gold apple pies and this seller has got promos. They go to list their pearl
gold apple pies and see the average price of $1.46 and they laugh and laugh and
they say to themselves ‘There are 2 sellers out here with pearl gold apples and
pearl gold apples are not special, I got promos I can list these for a $1.00
and make a profit.’ The average price drops again to $1.37. The market is saturated
with pearl gold apples and the average price keeps dropping. I show up and I
see pearl gold apples for $2.00, $1.75 and $1.00 with an average price of $1.37.
Everyone has been buying the $1.00 and dude only has one left. Today I need
2 pearl gold apples. So I buy 2 pearl gold apples from the $1.75 seller. Don’t
you know the average price went up again to $1.48. At this point the $2.00 pearl
gold apple seller is like ‘This is ridiculous. Pearl gold apples are not a $1.48,
I have been selling pearl gold apples for $2.00 since Britany shaved her head.
It’s not fair that the market has become saturated with pearl gold apples.
It’s not fair that other sellers are able to sell pearl gold apples for less
than $2.00 and still make a profit. I should make the profit. I was here first
and I know the true value of pearl gold apples.’ So he just leans back and watches.
Everyone is buying and selling pearl gold apples left and right. It’s a booming,
bustling market and it’s moving on without him. He keeps watching and he notices
the market isn’t as saturated with pearl gold apples anymore. Everyone has been
buying them cheap and inventory is running thin. And the $2.00 apple seller
says to himself ‘I know the true value of pearl gold apples. The true value
is $5.00.’ I show up at the Orchard and I see pearl gold apples for $0.10 (dude
is back with more leftovers), $1.00, $1.75, $5.00. This market is crazy, this
market is out the box. I need some type of guide to tell me what’s what because
dude with the $0.10 only has 1 left, dude with $1.00 has 2 and $1.75 dude has
1. The $5.00 pearl gold apple seller has 50 pearl gold apples. So I look at
the average price of $1.48 and that $1.48 tells me that in the last 6 months
the market was saturated with pearl gold apples. Pearl gold apples will probably
never sell for $1.48, it’s an average price not an actual price. I know this,
I’m using the average price to gauge prices. And that average price tells me
that pearl gold apples are nowhere near $5.00. So I walk away. I come back
the next day and the average price is gone. I see 1 or 2 apples selling for
dirt cheap and I see 50 selling for a $5.00. If I was new I was assume that
the average price of pearl gold apples was $5.00 because that’s what the market
is saturated with – expensive pearl gold apples. But I’m not new. I’ve been
to this Orchard before and I remember that the average price is about $1.48.
So I look over at the $5.00 pearl gold apple seller and I’m like “What’s up
with the price? Isn’t the average price about $1.48?” The $5.00 pearl gold
apple seller looks me right in the eye and stone cold says “The average price
is an arbitrary number and is not the true value of pearl gold apples. I know
the true value. The true value is $5.00. If you don’t want to pay $5.00 then
you don’t know the true value and you don’t want these pearl gold apples bad
enough.”
I just look back at him and blink.
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Enjoyed this post, and the conversation in general. I buy apples, selling only
what I can't eat and only to buy my other ingredients.
The quick average comparison helped buying the most apples and other ingredients
for my money. Now I have to check averages manually, I might pass on one vendor
just because their butter is higher and since I just use that as my test, I shop
elsewhere where the apples and butter are always cheaper (big box); but at the
first vendor the flour and nutmeg are in fact cheaper.
In the end, can't see how this helps the buyer, only those looking to profit
and do not enjoy LEGO as a hobby.
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| In Suggestions, ona7 writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pher writes:
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(snapped)
It is a partly random number that influences the feeling of a buyer whether a
deal is good or not. I usually don't use this feature because I have other
priorities when buying.
Imagine you buy a pack of apples. Every month. They cost always 2$. One day they
offer leftovers or promotion-bags or whatever you can imagine better. The bag
costs now 0.10$. From now on you will always see a 2$ (1.68$ average price, +18.8%)
tag beside the apples.
What does this help you? What does it do to the market?
Please think about it. You might find some answers in yourself.
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I don’t buy one apple. I buy lots of apples. I buy lots of different kinds
of apples. Lately I’ve been buying pearl gold apples because I’m working on
a pearl gold apple pie. Every day I would come over to the Orchard and buy these
apples and they’re always $2.00. Every day when I go to purchase these apples
I would see their price at $2.00 and next to it I would see average price, which
was also $2.00. One day someone shows up at the Orchard with left over pearl
gold apples from the pearl gold apple pie that they baked and they’re listing
their pearl gold apples for $0.10. That’s a great deal! It’s so great that
someone buys them right away and it drags the average price of pearl gold apples
to $1.05 ($2.00 plus $0.10 divided by 2. I’m not sure where $1.68 came from
but the premise is the same). So today I show up at the Orchard to buy my pearl
gold apples and I see a price of $2.00 and an average price of $1.05. $1.05?!
Well I want the $1.05 apples so I look around and I can’t find them. Someone
purchased them yesterday. They didn’t actually purchase $1.05 pearl gold apples
they purchased $0.10 pearl gold apples but I don’t know that. It’s a $0.95 difference
and I’m committed to my pearl gold apple pie so I purchase the $2.00 pearl gold
apples. The average price just went up to $1.36. Another apple seller shows
up at the Orchard and they have pearl gold apples they want to sell. They go
to list them and they see that the average price is $1.36 and they laugh and
laugh. They say to themselves ‘There is no way I can list my pearl gold apples
for $1.36, what exactly are pearl gold apples going for?’ So they look and they
see that only one seller has pearl gold apples and they’re selling them for $2.00.
The seller says to themselves ‘I can’t list my apples for $1.36, I’ll never
make a profit. But I can list them for $1.75. It’s a little lower then I’d
want and it’s higher than the average price, but it’s lower than listed price
so I know I’ll move them faster and still make a profit.’ I come back to the
Orchard because I am obsessed with my pearl gold apple pie, it’s gonna be the
best pearl gold apple pie ever! I see pearl gold apples for $2.00 and an average
price of $1.36. That’s different than yesterday, the average price changed.
There is movement in the pearl gold apple market. I’m going to move with it.
I look around and lo and behold I find $1.75 pearl gold apples. I buy them.
The average price just went up to $1.46. Another seller shows up with pearl
gold apple pies and this seller has got promos. They go to list their pearl
gold apple pies and see the average price of $1.46 and they laugh and laugh and
they say to themselves ‘There are 2 sellers out here with pearl gold apples and
pearl gold apples are not special, I got promos I can list these for a $1.00
and make a profit.’ The average price drops again to $1.37. The market is saturated
with pearl gold apples and the average price keeps dropping. I show up and I
see pearl gold apples for $2.00, $1.75 and $1.00 with an average price of $1.37.
Everyone has been buying the $1.00 and dude only has one left. Today I need
2 pearl gold apples. So I buy 2 pearl gold apples from the $1.75 seller. Don’t
you know the average price went up again to $1.48. At this point the $2.00 pearl
gold apple seller is like ‘This is ridiculous. Pearl gold apples are not a $1.48,
I have been selling pearl gold apples for $2.00 since Britany shaved her head.
It’s not fair that the market has become saturated with pearl gold apples.
It’s not fair that other sellers are able to sell pearl gold apples for less
than $2.00 and still make a profit. I should make the profit. I was here first
and I know the true value of pearl gold apples.’ So he just leans back and watches.
Everyone is buying and selling pearl gold apples left and right. It’s a booming,
bustling market and it’s moving on without him. He keeps watching and he notices
the market isn’t as saturated with pearl gold apples anymore. Everyone has been
buying them cheap and inventory is running thin. And the $2.00 apple seller
says to himself ‘I know the true value of pearl gold apples. The true value
is $5.00.’ I show up at the Orchard and I see pearl gold apples for $0.10 (dude
is back with more leftovers), $1.00, $1.75, $5.00. This market is crazy, this
market is out the box. I need some type of guide to tell me what’s what because
dude with the $0.10 only has 1 left, dude with $1.00 has 2 and $1.75 dude has
1. The $5.00 pearl gold apple seller has 50 pearl gold apples. So I look at
the average price of $1.48 and that $1.48 tells me that in the last 6 months
the market was saturated with pearl gold apples. Pearl gold apples will probably
never sell for $1.48, it’s an average price not an actual price. I know this,
I’m using the average price to gauge prices. And that average price tells me
that pearl gold apples are nowhere near $5.00. So I walk away. I come back
the next day and the average price is gone. I see 1 or 2 apples selling for
dirt cheap and I see 50 selling for a $5.00. If I was new I was assume that
the average price of pearl gold apples was $5.00 because that’s what the market
is saturated with – expensive pearl gold apples. But I’m not new. I’ve been
to this Orchard before and I remember that the average price is about $1.48.
So I look over at the $5.00 pearl gold apple seller and I’m like “What’s up
with the price? Isn’t the average price about $1.48?” The $5.00 pearl gold
apple seller looks me right in the eye and stone cold says “The average price
is an arbitrary number and is not the true value of pearl gold apples. I know
the true value. The true value is $5.00. If you don’t want to pay $5.00 then
you don’t know the true value and you don’t want these pearl gold apples bad
enough.”
I just look back at him and blink.
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Enjoyed this post, and the conversation in general. I buy apples, selling only
what I can't eat and only to buy my other ingredients.
The quick average comparison helped buying the most apples and other ingredients
for my money. Now I have to check averages manually, I might pass on one vendor
just because their butter is higher and since I just use that as my test, I shop
elsewhere where the apples and butter are always cheaper (big box); but at the
first vendor the flour and nutmeg are in fact cheaper.
In the end, can't see how this helps the buyer, only those looking to profit
and do not enjoy LEGO as a hobby.
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I really do not understand what the problem is.
All the information is still available, just on a different screen which actually
has a lot more information so you can actually know which prices you are comparing.
In the old system you could be comparing ripe pearl gold apples at $2.00 with
rotten red apples for $0.10 without knowing it.
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | There's no way anyone makes a living selling apples these days. Oranges,
that's where you should be investing.
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But oranges have a limited area where you can sell them. There are not many countries
beside the United Kingdom with a demand for oranges to make marmelade.
Here in the province Hessen, wine from apples is the national drink.
I would give you some oranges for your apples, keeping money aside. There are
even two nice German sausages in my store (below 6 months average price).
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| In Suggestions, Pher writes:
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But oranges have a limited area where you can sell them. There are not many countries
beside the United Kingdom with a demand for oranges to make marmelade.
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Nonsense, all the fruits are useful: You can make alcoholic drinks with all of
them!
| | Here in the province Hessen, wine from apples is the national drink.
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| How could I forget the famous Grand Marnier?
In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pher writes:
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But oranges have a limited area where you can sell them. There are not many countries
beside the United Kingdom with a demand for oranges to make marmelade.
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Nonsense, all the fruits are useful: You can make alcoholic drinks with all of
them!
| | Here in the province Hessen, wine from apples is the national drink.
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| In Suggestions, Pher writes:
| | How could I forget the famous Grand Marnier?
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Or Cointreau. Let’s not be partial… but still French
Okay, okay, there’s also Curaçao…
Funnily, Cointreau, Curaçao, or triple sec make me think of cocktails whereas
Grand Marnier makes me think of desserts (though I don’t especially like strong
alcohol, in desserts or not).
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| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pher writes:
| | How could I forget the famous Grand Marnier?
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Or Cointreau. Let’s not be partial… but still French
Okay, okay, there’s also Curaçao…
Funnily, Cointreau, Curaçao, or triple sec make me think of cocktails whereas
Grand Marnier makes me think of desserts (though I don’t especially like strong
alcohol, in desserts or not).
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This thread is getting interesting again.
Now what is all this stuff about you French buying up our cider orchards in the
south of England and turning them into vineyards for your Champagne houses? How
does that work, I thought you protected Champagne and it can only be made in..
well Champagne? Champagne region is forecast to get too warm over the next 50
years to grow the grapes we are told... and someone else mentioned our cider
makers are going to Cambodia. Hmmm if the 6 month global average Lego price goes
in the opposite direction to global warming I'll be able to make a living
growing cider apples up here in the wild north (well I won't if it takes
50 years!). Now what was all this originally about, have we established you can
still buy Lego on BL yet without red and green indicators? If not can someone
please decide one way or the other, I'm more interested in the discussions
about fruit now.
I'll be back tomorrow for an update
Robert
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| In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
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This thread is getting interesting again.
Now what is all this stuff about you French buying up our cider orchards in the
south of England and turning them into vineyards for your Champagne houses? How
does that work, I thought you protected Champagne and it can only be made in..
well Champagne? Champagne region is forecast to get too warm over the next 50
years to grow the grapes we are told...
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The region “expands”: in 2008, 40 communes where added to the “AOC” (controlled
designation of origin) (thanks Wikipedia).
So they still have 50 years to “move” the region!
(And reverse the Brexit or invade England, whatever is easier…)
| | and someone else mentioned our cider
makers are going to Cambodia. Hmmm if the 6 month global average Lego price goes
in the opposite direction to global warming I'll be able to make a living
growing cider apples up here in the wild north (well I won't if it takes
50 years!). Now what was all this originally about, have we established you can
still buy Lego on BL yet without red and green indicators? If not can someone
please decide one way or the other, I'm more interested in the discussions
about fruit now.
I'll be back tomorrow for an update
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Tomorrow’s update: you can now sell fruits and wines on BrickLink thanks to the
new application Wine.o!
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| | In Suggestions, Pher writes:
| | How could I forget the famous Grand Marnier?
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Or Cointreau. Let’s not be partial… but still French
Okay, okay, there’s also Curaçao…
Funnily, Cointreau, Curaçao, or triple sec make me think of cocktails whereas
Grand Marnier makes me think of desserts (though I don’t especially like strong
alcohol, in desserts or not).
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You see, it works also the other way round. I'm a chocolatier and for sweet
stuff I usually prefer Grand Marnier over the other three. Could you imagine
how a German who never heard "Grand Marnier" will pronounce it? I had great times
with my coworkers
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| In Suggestions, Pher writes:
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| | Funnily, Cointreau, Curaçao, or triple sec make me think of cocktails whereas
Grand Marnier makes me think of desserts (though I don’t especially like strong
alcohol, in desserts or not).
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You see, it works also the other way round. I'm a chocolatier
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Ah! That explains the picture ID.
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stuff I usually prefer Grand Marnier over the other three. Could you imagine
how a German who never heard "Grand Marnier" will pronounce it? I had great times
with my coworkers
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You’re touching a soft point of mine: phonetics
So, according to espeak (a text to speach (or phonetics) program), German rules
would lead to:
Chocolatier: /kˌoːkoːlatˈiːɾ/, approximatively kokolateeT in English (T being
the tt of “better” in RP)
Grand Marnier: /ɡrˈant maɾnˈiːɾ/ (grant maTneeT)
Compare to what English (RP) would be: /tʃˈɒkəlˌætɪɐ/ and /ɡɹˈænd mˈɑːnɪɐ/
Whereas French is¹: /ʃɔkɔlatjˈe/ and /ɡʁˈɑ̃ maʁnjˈe/
¹ I won’t even try to express that in the latin alphabet: English has no simple
vowels (it diphtongs everything!) or nasals (well, some Americans sound like
they only have nasals  ).
You can look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet
for explanations. Look about half the article, there’s a table for consonants
and a nice diagram for vowels. Each letter has its own article with examples
and a sound sample.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Niek - I am not here to annoy you. I'm annoyed. I am a grown man posting
on a forum for a child's toy trying to figure out why a tool I used to save
money has been removed.
Now I apologize for being in your sandbox but it seems to that this conversation
has done gone been had ready. So would you mind pointing me in the direction
of the thread where it was decided that the Buyer would foot the bill for maintaining
the solubility of the Lego marketplace?
And may I ask Niek - have you at any time been in direct contact with the administrators
of Bricklink concerning the average pricing tool? If so, what was your formal
complaint?
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Thank you for this reply. It looks like this reply is from a 35-ish year old
man. Thanks.
As I stated each time, I have no issues with discussing the topic itself. And
I have no preference whether that tool is put back in, or is left out (although
I am leaning towards leaving it out).
The ONLY thing I had an issue with is the repeated campaigning, which
by the looks of this post you stopped - thank you.
In reply to your questions, I can't point you to a thread where it was decided
that the Buyer would foot the bill, because I don't think there is one. I
also have not been in direct contact with any admins. Aside from my belief they
will not entertain a direct discussion, I have no reason to contact them in this
regards, as again I have no preference.
Again, I understand you are frustrated by their decision to remove it. I get
that, and I respect that (and I have never said otherwise). You have made your
point (over and over if I might add), and I have chimed in somewhere way upstream
as well. I welcome the discussion, and I like to see other opinions and back-and-forths,
but it has to be a proper discussion, not a constant repeat of the same words,
and (for me) definitely no more campaigning like you did before.
Thanks.
Niek.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
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I don't think anyone has issues with this being discussed. But I for one
would really REALLY like if you stopped campaigning so much by adding the URL
each time.
Again, I don't ask this because I am necessarily against the suggestion,
I just find this is getting incredibly annoying. Everyone on the forum knows
by now where to vote. Please stop. Please.
Niek.
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Hi Niek. As I'm sure 'everyone on the forum' has figured out by
now that I'm new here. And in my brief time here I have come to find that
I am one of at least 5 new people that have stumbled upon this forum in search
of the reason why the average pricing tool was removed. And as another member
suggested, this forum could use a little updating as it's not always easy
to follow conversations. So I want to make it real easy for those who are new
to find where they need to go to suggest that tool be brought back.
They can go here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
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Keep human nature in mind. I have mentioned that I am on the fence about this
issue. But your annoying campaigning convinced me to vote No.
--
Marc.
(Also keep in mind that the votes mean nothing.)
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, dfurman writes:
I’m not done yet. I have yet to hear a convincing reason why I should not, en
masse, be able to tell which one of your Lego bricks is priced at or below average?
I already have access to this information, why can I not have easier access?
Why can’t it be made easier for me to tell which one of these stores carries
the largest selection of average priced pieces?
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You get a vote, you've cast it.
I have yet to hear a convincing reason why I should vote yes and give the BL
the impression that this information should be on hand in one place when it's
on hand in another
I simply don't care to nickel and dime my time to evaluate an entire seller's
inventory.
If I found out that I shopped at a store that had 15 lots that were below average,
10 at average and 5 that were above average, I am simply not going to lose sleep.
The average is fairly arbitrary and SOMEONE has to be above the line
You see the bricks, you see the price, is it worth exchanging the money for the
bricks?
It's not rocket science.
| | You can vote yes to the suggestion of making shopping easier on BL here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
Please also review previous posts in this thread for the tale of “If My Store
Closes the Entire Lego Marketplace Will Crumble to its Knees.” It’s a romantic
comedy…
-Toker
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| | | Miro - I understand your tone, I really do. And I say this with all due respect;
try building a Winter Village for 8 years and come back and tell us how it goes.
It takes a lot of time,
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8 years to be precise.
It is as hard as you make it.
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Again, it is as expensive as you make it. If parts are expensive, where possible
change the parts you use - different colours or parts can often do the same thing
but can be significantly cheaper.
Knowing values / prices of parts you use a lot can help there. Knowing what you
will pay for a part is often better than knowing the average price.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Miro78 writes:
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I was going to try to explain again why this feature is not a healthy and sustainable
feature, but I think some people just need to experience it firsthand. So my
suggestion to you is to try to run a profitable Bricklink store for a year or
two and get back to us on how you are doing.
Have a Good Day!
Miro
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Miro - I understand your tone, I really do. And I say this with all due respect;
try building a Winter Village for 8 years and come back and tell us how it goes.
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Have you seen any of the MOCs Miro has posted here? I'm pretty sure he knows
about building a winter village.
| | It takes a lot of time, it's a lot of hard work, and it's *very* expensive.
My profits come in the form of bricks, and I need to maximize my profits. I
had a tool to help me do that, and I used it, may I have it back now please?
Vote yes on the suggestion of giving the Buyer back the average pricing tool.
Use this link, vote yes in the upper left corner under author information: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031088
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Perfect, then we agree! Bricklink is a legal free market and in a legal free
market a Buyer should have easy access to the average price per piece. Any measures
to limit that access would delegitimize the legal free market of Bricklink.
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I fail to see why a buyer should have easy access to the average price per piece.
Can you show me where it says buyers should have access to this info? Are all
other market places now no longer "legal free markets"? The only real requirement
for a market to be a free market is that prices are set freely by supply and
demand without any meddling from overseeing forces. Nowhere does it say that
average prices need to get published.
Please stop fabricating rules. I understand you want this option to return, and
frankly I am still not quite sure if I want or not, but please keep this discussion
sensible.
Niek.
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | Perfect, then we agree! Bricklink is a legal free market and in a legal free
market a Buyer should have easy access to the average price per piece. Any measures
to limit that access would delegitimize the legal free market of Bricklink.
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You are really not helping your case with statements like that. It makes it clear
that you have no idea what a free market is. So, people reading this could easily
think that since you don't know what you are talking about, then you are
probably wrong about the benefits of that feature, as well.
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Marc.
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| Option 2 is just plain awful.
It is price fixing.
It is assuming sellers will say exactly what they paid for each part (which is
impossible to know in many cases).
If I buy a part as a seller for 1p, then tell BL I paid £1, then I can sell it
for £1.01.
If I buy a part as a seller for 1p, then tell BL I paid 1p, then I can only sell
it for 2p.
That will get seriously abused. Plus it would make it uneconomic to sell expensive
parts, as the profit margin would not be enough (1%). Whereas 1p parts would
be profitable (double your money).
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| Voted Yes, i have stopped buying anything at BL at the moment, impossible to
know what price im paying,
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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| In Suggestions, ranarn writes:
| | Voted Yes, i have stopped buying anything at BL at the moment, impossible to
know what price im paying,
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Funny, I know what I'm paying all the time.
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| Same here, it's easy to see before you place an order - except sometimes
for postage and other fees - which was always the case.
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| For a few items, sure its no problem...
But try it when your wanted list contains over 400lots.
What i did that i cant do now, is take: Buy All on my wanted list, select a store
that i know have good terms, and check the prices, remove all lots that is over
average price and buy the rest. I think a middle solution would be to hide the
percent, and leave the color?
The Auto suggest is crap at best... get 20 stores, and suggest 1 single lot from
a few stores, if it would take shipping into account that would be good but no.
And about free market, there is price lookup and compare prices for everything
these days. Those that dont want this, are people living in the old ages and
still believe everything was better before, they dont understand that easy to
access information is everything of a good service.
Removing this from BL, is like taking a step back in the digital era, never make
information inaccessible or harder to get, that is the key fundamentals of any
service.
In Suggestions, Cosy writes:
| | In Suggestions, ranarn writes:
| | Voted Yes, i have stopped buying anything at BL at the moment, impossible to
know what price im paying,
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Vote as you like, but your statement is untrue. Maybe your hyperbole is driven
by frustration. You should not state as fact what is not true.
If I wanted to buy the Used Chain with Ball, 5 Links (15532) from your store
I can easily compare your price against the Price Guide.
Your part: https://www.bricklink.com/store/home.page?p=ranarn#/shop?o={"itemType":"P","catID":"143"}
Price Guide: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=15532#T=P&C=11
While your price at ~$.95 is below the current Used Avg price available, you
are charging more than the Last 6 Months Sales price by ~15%.
I understand the previous graphic was a faster check, but you can certainly compare
the price in your cart to the Price Guide, and not only know what you are about
to pay but also how it stacks against both current and past pricing.
Either way I still need to read your terms and shipping.
This is not meant as a personal affront to you. Your vote is yours.
Hyperbole or untruths though do not help anyone, experienced or not.
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| In Suggestions, ranarn writes:
| | For a few items, sure its no problem...
But try it when your wanted list contains over 400lots.
What i did that i cant do now, is take: Buy All on my wanted list, select a store
that i know have good terms, and check the prices, remove all lots that is over
average price and buy the rest. I think a middle solution would be to hide the
percent, and leave the color?
The Auto suggest is crap at best... get 20 stores, and suggest 1 single lot from
a few stores, if it would take shipping into account that would be good but no.
And about free market, there is price lookup and compare prices for everything
these days. Those that dont want this, are people living in the old ages and
still believe everything was better before, they dont understand that easy to
access information is everything of a good service.
Removing this from BL, is like taking a step back in the digital era, never make
information inaccessible or harder to get, that is the key fundamentals of any
service.
In Suggestions, Cosy writes:
| | In Suggestions, ranarn writes:
| | Voted Yes, i have stopped buying anything at BL at the moment, impossible to
know what price im paying,
In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Vote as you like, but your statement is untrue. Maybe your hyperbole is driven
by frustration. You should not state as fact what is not true.
If I wanted to buy the Used Chain with Ball, 5 Links (15532) from your store
I can easily compare your price against the Price Guide.
Your part: https://www.bricklink.com/store/home.page?p=ranarn#/shop?o={"itemType":"P","catID":"143"}
Price Guide: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=15532#T=P&C=11
While your price at ~$.95 is below the current Used Avg price available, you
are charging more than the Last 6 Months Sales price by ~15%.
I understand the previous graphic was a faster check, but you can certainly compare
the price in your cart to the Price Guide, and not only know what you are about
to pay but also how it stacks against both current and past pricing.
Either way I still need to read your terms and shipping.
This is not meant as a personal affront to you. Your vote is yours.
Hyperbole or untruths though do not help anyone, experienced or not.
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I wonder how people on BO buy stuff since you are arguing without the price percent
indicator its impossible to buy legos ..
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Cosy | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 20:51 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | Author: | M.Boss | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2017 20:36 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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I think a lot of people are missing one point. The company that runs BrickLink
chose that they wanted to remove the percentage indicator. It wasn't the
sellers who wanted to hide true prices from buyers. I assume Bricklink has a
reason for removing the feature, but they still allow you to see the pricing
guide for every piece and select to buy the parts in your wanted list in the
cheapest way. I feel the descision is necessary to help slow the prices of all
parts continuing to decrease significantly which drives sellers away.
M.Boss
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| | | | | Author: | KoUraky | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2017 03:06 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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I vote yes. The price variation is the best way to searc a hi quantity of brick.
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| | | | | Author: | BLUSER_402445 | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2017 10:20 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Voted no but will change my mind if all fees/surcharges are included in the price
displayed.
I can open a store, list all my parts at 0.001c and then charge a "market value
fee" being the 6 month average on every part...
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| | | | | | | Author: | beleuco | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2017 10:25 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | Make sure it is clear in your terms and that will be within the rules... |
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| | | | | Author: | mgiglio | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 13:31 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted Yes. Having this comparison helps me to buy hundreds of pieces at a time
and easily know whether the store I've chosen is charging me double what
each piece is worth, without having to check each piece manually. The only ones
to blame for a downward spiral in pricing are sellers listing their parts cheaper
than everyone else. If a part can be sold cheaper, maybe it should be. Taking
information away buyers to stabilize pricing is a poor solution.
Providing sellers with this information easily when they list parts, but not
making it easily available to buyers when buying, puts sellers at an unnecessary
advantage in this marketplace. It erodes my confidence when purchasing, or requires
me to spend an inordinate amount of time researching to save what amounts to
pennies per piece. While some would say that I should just suck it up and pay
the pennies if I don't want to do the legwork, I'd say that'd make
sense if the sellers had to do the legwork of looking up each individual part
price and entering it manually, but they don't.
I think a nice compromise would be to show the over/under comparison against
current listing prices, instead of 6 month average.
I approach this from a hobbyist perspective. While I have a store, it exists
to move items that I get in bulk lots that I do not want, which helps me offset
the cost of that bulk lot and keep the items that I do want. I'm not here
to make my mortgage, it's for fun.
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| | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 18:34 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mgiglio writes:
| | In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted Yes. Having this comparison helps me to buy hundreds of pieces at a time
and easily know whether the store I've chosen is charging me double what
each piece is worth, without having to check each piece manually. The only ones
to blame for a downward spiral in pricing are sellers listing their parts cheaper
than everyone else. If a part can be sold cheaper, maybe it should be.
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But tools like this enourage sellers to continue listing their parts cheaper
than everyone else. That's part of the problem. And I'm not sure what
you mean my that last sentence. Of course a part can be sold cheaper. It can
be given away for free. So it should be?
| | Providing sellers with this information easily when they list parts, but not
making it easily available to buyers when buying, puts sellers at an unnecessary
advantage in this marketplace. It erodes my confidence when purchasing, or requires
me to spend an inordinate amount of time researching to save what amounts to
pennies per piece. While some would say that I should just suck it up and pay
the pennies if I don't want to do the legwork, I'd say that'd make
sense if the sellers had to do the legwork of looking up each individual part
price and entering it manually, but they don't.
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What do you mean? Sellers have EXACTLY the same access to average prices that
buyers do.
| | I think a nice compromise would be to show the over/under comparison against
current listing prices, instead of 6 month average.
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I thought that's what it already was.
--
Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | mgiglio | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2017 22:30 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, mgiglio writes:
| | In Suggestions, tillmanbalazs writes:
| | few weeks ago when I went to a wanted list, and selected the items which I wanted
to buy, then the shop, it showed what is the price of items in this shop compared
to the average price of the items.
Now this function is not available, can I ask why?
Is it possible to have it back?
Thanks,
Balázs
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Voted Yes. Having this comparison helps me to buy hundreds of pieces at a time
and easily know whether the store I've chosen is charging me double what
each piece is worth, without having to check each piece manually. The only ones
to blame for a downward spiral in pricing are sellers listing their parts cheaper
than everyone else. If a part can be sold cheaper, maybe it should be.
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But tools like this enourage sellers to continue listing their parts cheaper
than everyone else. That's part of the problem. And I'm not sure what
you mean my that last sentence. Of course a part can be sold cheaper. It can
be given away for free. So it should be?
| | Providing sellers with this information easily when they list parts, but not
making it easily available to buyers when buying, puts sellers at an unnecessary
advantage in this marketplace. It erodes my confidence when purchasing, or requires
me to spend an inordinate amount of time researching to save what amounts to
pennies per piece. While some would say that I should just suck it up and pay
the pennies if I don't want to do the legwork, I'd say that'd make
sense if the sellers had to do the legwork of looking up each individual part
price and entering it manually, but they don't.
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What do you mean? Sellers have EXACTLY the same access to average prices that
buyers do.
| | I think a nice compromise would be to show the over/under comparison against
current listing prices, instead of 6 month average.
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I thought that's what it already was.
--
Marc.
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thanks for your thoughtful reply.
of course i am not suggesting that parts be given away for free. i'm saying
maybe part prices are inflated if sellers are actually willing to sell for less.
as a seller, if i think a part is too cool to sell for a nickel, i keep it, cause
i know no one's gonna pay a quarter for it. or if i have a ten dollar minifig
and i dont want to sit on it for a year, i'll list it for 9 and try to move
it out. if bricklink has a problem with sellers undercutting each other, i don't
think limiting the buyers information is the smart way to fix it. why not limit
sellers ability to list a part for less than a certain price. 1x1 cheese slope
dark red - minimum price, $.02. or maybe let bricklink set the price. millennium
falcon radar dish: $10. seller paid more for it originally, tough crap, you can
only sell it here for $10. that's not fair to the seller though, is it?
regarding sellers and buyers having equal access, that's just not true. a
seller can part out a set and list the pieces automatically at the 6 month avg,
but a buyer cannot then shop for those same parts in that same sellers store
without seeing all at once whether they are above or below average price. that's
not equal access. that makes the buyer work much harder than the seller to determine
whether each individual part is listed at fair value or not.
and on your third point, yeah, that's what i thought it was too, but this
thread seems to be referring to 6mo avg, so i assumed i was misremembering.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 00:31 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mgiglio writes:
| | of course i am not suggesting that parts be given away for free. i'm saying
maybe part prices are inflated if sellers are actually willing to sell for less.
as a seller, if i think a part is too cool to sell for a nickel, i keep it, cause
i know no one's gonna pay a quarter for it. or if i have a ten dollar minifig
and i dont want to sit on it for a year, i'll list it for 9 and try to move
it out.
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For those of us whose BrickLink stores are trying to support us as a full-time
job, that a part being too cool doesn't factor into it. It's a business.
I try to sell for more than I paid.
A few years ago, most sets parted out for 2x the retail price of the set. Today,
that number is maybe 1.3x. I certainly would not say that prices on parts are
inflated. The opposite -- they're depressed.
Those $10 minifigs are only $10 because that's what they've been selling
for. It used to be as you described -- a few sellers would list at $9 to
try to sell them faster, while most listed for $10, and many listed for $11 or
more.
But now, ten stores list them for $8. Then when they see that everyone else is
doing that, they relist them for $6. Then someone lists 300 of them for $2.50.
All of which is fine (more or less). But it becomes a bit of a problem when sellers
who want to list that "$10" minifigure for $10 show up on a BrickLink tool as
being 75% higher than average.
| | if bricklink has a problem with sellers undercutting each other, i don't
think limiting the buyers information is the smart way to fix it. why not limit
sellers ability to list a part for less than a certain price.
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That would be a terrible idea, and possibly illegal.
| | regarding sellers and buyers having equal access, that's just not true. a
seller can part out a set and list the pieces automatically at the 6 month avg,
but a buyer cannot then shop for those same parts in that same sellers store
without seeing all at once whether they are above or below average price. that's
not equal access. that makes the buyer work much harder than the seller to determine
whether each individual part is listed at fair value or not.
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You are mistaken. Sellers do not have the ability to part out a set and automatically
list the pieces at the 6 month average, using any BrickLink tools. It's possible
to do so with 3rd-party tools (off BrickLink), but those tools are available
to buyers as well. The access to pricing information is identical for buyers
and sellers.
--
Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 05:13 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, mgiglio writes:
| | of course i am not suggesting that parts be given away for free. i'm saying
maybe part prices are inflated if sellers are actually willing to sell for less.
as a seller, if i think a part is too cool to sell for a nickel, i keep it, cause
i know no one's gonna pay a quarter for it. or if i have a ten dollar minifig
and i dont want to sit on it for a year, i'll list it for 9 and try to move
it out.
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For those of us whose BrickLink stores are trying to support us as a full-time
job, that a part being too cool doesn't factor into it. It's a business.
I try to sell for more than I paid.
A few years ago, most sets parted out for 2x the retail price of the set. Today,
that number is maybe 1.3x. I certainly would not say that prices on parts are
inflated. The opposite -- they're depressed.
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1.3x ?
If any sellers are parting out sets on that multiple they are heading for a loss.
They'd have to sell most of the set just to break even without any compensation
for their time. It is quite easy to sell half of the parts in a set but the others
take quite some time. I think some must blindly price without any business consideration
and that won't last, they'll soon realise they are working for someone
else not themselves. I agree some of the recent system tweaks have encouraged
some into this but at the end of the day I do believe demand and supply rules...
and that is the real problem - over supply. Some seem to think that if 100 of
part XXX sold for average 10c each over the last 6 months there is a market for
BL'ers to part out 10000 of them when in reality there is little price elasticity
of demand and if the price was 5c the 6 month demand might still not be more
than 100. That is why many are getting frustrated, having rash sales and trying
to get their investment back that they thought would make them a quick profit.
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 05:53 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | A few years ago, most sets parted out for 2x the retail price of the set. Today,
that number is maybe 1.3x. I certainly would not say that prices on parts are
inflated. The opposite -- they're depressed.
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1.3x ?
If any sellers are parting out sets on that multiple they are heading for a loss.
They'd have to sell most of the set just to break even without any compensation
for their time.
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Or not pay retail price.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 06:13 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | | | | | A few years ago, most sets parted out for 2x the retail price of the set. Today,
that number is maybe 1.3x. I certainly would not say that prices on parts are
inflated. The opposite -- they're depressed.
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1.3x ?
If any sellers are parting out sets on that multiple they are heading for a loss.
They'd have to sell most of the set just to break even without any compensation
for their time.
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Or not pay retail price.
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"and" not pay the retail price
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 06:51 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
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| | regarding sellers and buyers having equal access, that's just not true. a
seller can part out a set and list the pieces automatically at the 6 month avg,
but a buyer cannot then shop for those same parts in that same sellers store
without seeing all at once whether they are above or below average price. that's
not equal access. that makes the buyer work much harder than the seller to determine
whether each individual part is listed at fair value or not.
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You are mistaken. Sellers do not have the ability to part out a set and automatically
list the pieces at the 6 month average, using any BrickLink tools. It's possible
to do so with 3rd-party tools (off BrickLink), but those tools are available
to buyers as well. The access to pricing information is identical for buyers
and sellers.
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Actually, it’s the reverse: buyers have more tools than sellers in BrickLink.
Buyers can easily set Max Price in their Wanted Lists to the Price Guide values:
open your WL, select some (or all) items, click on the “Price” button just above
the list, you’re then presented with a dialog to set the prices:
1. as amount,
2. as price guide (last 6mo/currently for sale, average/qty average/min/max),
3. inc/decrease (by % or value)
You don’t need Brickstok… unless you want “sold” values and not “for sale.”
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mgiglio | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 10:04 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | […]
| | regarding sellers and buyers having equal access, that's just not true. a
seller can part out a set and list the pieces automatically at the 6 month avg,
but a buyer cannot then shop for those same parts in that same sellers store
without seeing all at once whether they are above or below average price. that's
not equal access. that makes the buyer work much harder than the seller to determine
whether each individual part is listed at fair value or not.
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You are mistaken. Sellers do not have the ability to part out a set and automatically
list the pieces at the 6 month average, using any BrickLink tools. It's possible
to do so with 3rd-party tools (off BrickLink), but those tools are available
to buyers as well. The access to pricing information is identical for buyers
and sellers.
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Actually, it’s the reverse: buyers have more tools than sellers in BrickLink.
Buyers can easily set Max Price in their Wanted Lists to the Price Guide values:
open your WL, select some (or all) items, click on the “Price” button just above
the list, you’re then presented with a dialog to set the prices:
1. as amount,
2. as price guide (last 6mo/currently for sale, average/qty average/min/max),
3. inc/decrease (by % or value)
You don’t need Brickstok… unless you want “sold” values and not “for sale.”
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thanks for this. i actually did not know i could do this. this gives me a workaround
for the process i was using to shop using the comparison. i think the comparison
was better, but this will work. I can now eliminate items that do not meet my
price when shopping my wanted list. my vote to reinstate the comparison tool
still stands, but this is really useful information and much more constructive
than some folks are being on this forum.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 10:53 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | […]
| | regarding sellers and buyers having equal access, that's just not true. a
seller can part out a set and list the pieces automatically at the 6 month avg,
but a buyer cannot then shop for those same parts in that same sellers store
without seeing all at once whether they are above or below average price. that's
not equal access. that makes the buyer work much harder than the seller to determine
whether each individual part is listed at fair value or not.
|
You are mistaken. Sellers do not have the ability to part out a set and automatically
list the pieces at the 6 month average, using any BrickLink tools. It's possible
to do so with 3rd-party tools (off BrickLink), but those tools are available
to buyers as well. The access to pricing information is identical for buyers
and sellers.
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Actually, it’s the reverse: buyers have more tools than sellers in BrickLink.
Buyers can easily set Max Price in their Wanted Lists to the Price Guide values:
open your WL, select some (or all) items, click on the “Price” button just above
the list, you’re then presented with a dialog to set the prices:
1. as amount,
2. as price guide (last 6mo/currently for sale, average/qty average/min/max),
3. inc/decrease (by % or value)
You don’t need Brickstok… unless you want “sold” values and not “for sale.”
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Wow! Thank you for this wonderful piece of information! I did not know anything
about this, but it will help me immensely when browsing stores now!
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 07:01 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | You are mistaken. Sellers do not have the ability to part out a set and automatically
list the pieces at the 6 month average, using any BrickLink tools. It's possible
to do so with 3rd-party tools (off BrickLink), but those tools are available
to buyers as well. The access to pricing information is identical for buyers
and sellers.
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What am I missing here? Is it interpretation of words?
Sellers can use the part out a set tool and set their part prices at the (worldwide)
six month average price, using Bricklink.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mgiglio | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 09:51 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | | | You are mistaken. Sellers do not have the ability to part out a set and automatically
list the pieces at the 6 month average, using any BrickLink tools. It's possible
to do so with 3rd-party tools (off BrickLink), but those tools are available
to buyers as well. The access to pricing information is identical for buyers
and sellers.
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What am I missing here? Is it interpretation of words?
Sellers can use the part out a set tool and set their part prices at the (worldwide)
six month average price, using Bricklink.
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this is correct. i did it last night. it's a very useful feature for a seller.
don't know why someone is saying this can't be done right in bricklink.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 10:06 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mgiglio writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | | | You are mistaken. Sellers do not have the ability to part out a set and automatically
list the pieces at the 6 month average, using any BrickLink tools. It's possible
to do so with 3rd-party tools (off BrickLink), but those tools are available
to buyers as well. The access to pricing information is identical for buyers
and sellers.
|
What am I missing here? Is it interpretation of words?
Sellers can use the part out a set tool and set their part prices at the (worldwide)
six month average price, using Bricklink.
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this is correct. i did it last night. it's a very useful feature for a seller.
don't know why someone is saying this can't be done right in bricklink.
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I concur it can indeed be done but in over 10 years of selling here I've
never understood why people want to set their prices at 6th months average worldwide
prices. Many do so but no one has ever explained why they do... is it just because
they can? I know this feature originates from the early Dan years and maybe back
then the dynamics were different - mainly USA only data, less stores, less items,
etc. Not singling you out but I'm just interested in hearing why sellers
do this and value this feature.
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 10:25 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Because it's easy.
There are a lot of manual things to do with having a store, people probably just
want one mindless thing to do.
But pricing is probably the most important, right?
Someone else in this thread said something akin to "if one seller is willing
to sell a part for this low, maybe all sellers should be able to", to that I
would say "If one buyer is willing to buy a part for 3x the average price, maybe
all buyers would be able to"
While a price spiral down may look attractive to buyers, in the end when sellers
see the effort vs reward, they slow down on selling and then those buyers now
have less options.
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, mgiglio writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | | | You are mistaken. Sellers do not have the ability to part out a set and automatically
list the pieces at the 6 month average, using any BrickLink tools. It's possible
to do so with 3rd-party tools (off BrickLink), but those tools are available
to buyers as well. The access to pricing information is identical for buyers
and sellers.
|
What am I missing here? Is it interpretation of words?
Sellers can use the part out a set tool and set their part prices at the (worldwide)
six month average price, using Bricklink.
|
this is correct. i did it last night. it's a very useful feature for a seller.
don't know why someone is saying this can't be done right in bricklink.
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I concur it can indeed be done but in over 10 years of selling here I've
never understood why people want to set their prices at 6th months average worldwide
prices. Many do so but no one has ever explained why they do... is it just because
they can? I know this feature originates from the early Dan years and maybe back
then the dynamics were different - mainly USA only data, less stores, less items,
etc. Not singling you out but I'm just interested in hearing why sellers
do this and value this feature.
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
OK..but really?
| | There are a lot of manual things to do with having a store, people probably just
want one mindless thing to do.
But pricing is probably the most important, right?
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Probably yes.
| | Someone else in this thread said something akin to "if one seller is willing
to sell a part for this low, maybe all sellers should be able to", to that I
would say "If one buyer is willing to buy a part for 3x the average price, maybe
all buyers would be able to"
While a price spiral down may look attractive to buyers, in the end when sellers
see the effort vs reward, they slow down on selling and then those buyers now
have less options.
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Yes, I don't have any problem with the effect of that because I believe demand
and supply mechanics always corrects things like that in the long term and we've
been here for a relatively long time! My initial interest in this thread was
simply that buyers were being misled more than a worry about the long-term impact
on prices. The whole thing has had no impact on our prices. What worries me more
now is that this green/red thing was implemented and now, after 15 years of BL
not having it before it has been removed and buyers think they are being conned
in some way when in fact it seems to me removing it did the opposite and.....
is it just me or have sales gone off a bit since it was removed? If I was just
worried about short term sales I would have been asking for it to be reinstated.
I still love this site but it sure can behave "oddly" sometimes!
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Pher | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 10:49 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Not sure about other countries, but in Germany we have frequently newspaper articles
about how easy it is to earn money with Lego. "Helpfull" advice like buy an UCS
Imperial Star Destroyer for 2000€ and keep it for a few years to sell with profit.
More "helpfull" advices like buy 10 of the recent released Death Stars and sell
them later with profit. And of course how super expensive parts are and how worthwhile
it is to sell Lego parts.. As long as new sellers come and try their luck with
all these advices in mind, the moment of bouncing back of the price spiral looks
far far away.
In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | Because it's easy.
There are a lot of manual things to do with having a store, people probably just
want one mindless thing to do.
But pricing is probably the most important, right?
Someone else in this thread said something akin to "if one seller is willing
to sell a part for this low, maybe all sellers should be able to", to that I
would say "If one buyer is willing to buy a part for 3x the average price, maybe
all buyers would be able to"
While a price spiral down may look attractive to buyers, in the end when sellers
see the effort vs reward, they slow down on selling and then those buyers now
have less options.
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, mgiglio writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | | | You are mistaken. Sellers do not have the ability to part out a set and automatically
list the pieces at the 6 month average, using any BrickLink tools. It's possible
to do so with 3rd-party tools (off BrickLink), but those tools are available
to buyers as well. The access to pricing information is identical for buyers
and sellers.
|
What am I missing here? Is it interpretation of words?
Sellers can use the part out a set tool and set their part prices at the (worldwide)
six month average price, using Bricklink.
|
this is correct. i did it last night. it's a very useful feature for a seller.
don't know why someone is saying this can't be done right in bricklink.
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I concur it can indeed be done but in over 10 years of selling here I've
never understood why people want to set their prices at 6th months average worldwide
prices. Many do so but no one has ever explained why they do... is it just because
they can? I know this feature originates from the early Dan years and maybe back
then the dynamics were different - mainly USA only data, less stores, less items,
etc. Not singling you out but I'm just interested in hearing why sellers
do this and value this feature.
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 11:57 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I think those types of articles are now global, the method and work involved
isn't included so the conclusions can be cherry picked over.
Sites like brickpicker reinforce that. People asking "advice" on what set they
should blindly sink their money into to sit on.
People posting on facebook trying to gauge "is this a good deal" where you can
tell they put 0 effort into answering it themselves and of course, the people
that don't even like Lego.
I think I would have only thought of brickpicker after I decided that I didn't
want to make money off of lego anymore, after that, you don't care what happens
to the process.
In Suggestions, Pher writes:
| | Not sure about other countries, but in Germany we have frequently newspaper articles
about how easy it is to earn money with Lego. "Helpfull" advice like buy an UCS
Imperial Star Destroyer for 2000€ and keep it for a few years to sell with profit.
More "helpfull" advices like buy 10 of the recent released Death Stars and sell
them later with profit. And of course how super expensive parts are and how worthwhile
it is to sell Lego parts.. As long as new sellers come and try their luck with
all these advices in mind, the moment of bouncing back of the price spiral looks
far far away.
In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | Because it's easy.
There are a lot of manual things to do with having a store, people probably just
want one mindless thing to do.
But pricing is probably the most important, right?
Someone else in this thread said something akin to "if one seller is willing
to sell a part for this low, maybe all sellers should be able to", to that I
would say "If one buyer is willing to buy a part for 3x the average price, maybe
all buyers would be able to"
While a price spiral down may look attractive to buyers, in the end when sellers
see the effort vs reward, they slow down on selling and then those buyers now
have less options.
In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, mgiglio writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | | | You are mistaken. Sellers do not have the ability to part out a set and automatically
list the pieces at the 6 month average, using any BrickLink tools. It's possible
to do so with 3rd-party tools (off BrickLink), but those tools are available
to buyers as well. The access to pricing information is identical for buyers
and sellers.
|
What am I missing here? Is it interpretation of words?
Sellers can use the part out a set tool and set their part prices at the (worldwide)
six month average price, using Bricklink.
|
this is correct. i did it last night. it's a very useful feature for a seller.
don't know why someone is saying this can't be done right in bricklink.
|
I concur it can indeed be done but in over 10 years of selling here I've
never understood why people want to set their prices at 6th months average worldwide
prices. Many do so but no one has ever explained why they do... is it just because
they can? I know this feature originates from the early Dan years and maybe back
then the dynamics were different - mainly USA only data, less stores, less items,
etc. Not singling you out but I'm just interested in hearing why sellers
do this and value this feature.
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 12:41 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Pher writes:
| | Not sure about other countries, but in Germany we have frequently newspaper articles
about how easy it is to earn money with Lego. "Helpfull" advice like buy an UCS
Imperial Star Destroyer for 2000€ and keep it for a few years to sell with profit.
More "helpfull" advices like buy 10 of the recent released Death Stars and sell
them later with profit. And of course how super expensive parts are and how worthwhile
it is to sell Lego parts.. As long as new sellers come and try their luck with
all these advices in mind, the moment of bouncing back of the price spiral looks
far far away.
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You know a wonderful opportunity isn’t one anymore when papers/TV start talking
about it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | dearlydeparted | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 10:55 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | Because it's easy.
There are a lot of manual things to do with having a store, people probably just
want one mindless thing to do.
But pricing is probably the most important, right?
Someone else in this thread said something akin to "if one seller is willing
to sell a part for this low, maybe all sellers should be able to", to that I
would say "If one buyer is willing to buy a part for 3x the average price, maybe
all buyers would be able to"
While a price spiral down may look attractive to buyers, in the end when sellers
see the effort vs reward, they slow down on selling and then those buyers now
have less options.
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+1
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 12:29 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | Because it's easy.
There are a lot of manual things to do with having a store, people probably just
want one mindless thing to do.
But pricing is probably the most important, right?
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I often use the six month average to part out, but as a baseline for cheap parts
I cannot be bothered to price manually.
If I have 10 of something that have sold for the 6 month average of 3p each,
then I'm not going to bother looking into pricing. I'll list at that
price. I might be able to do two minutes worth of work and decide I might be
able to get 4p instead, but it is not worth it. Same idea if I have one thing
with an average of 50p - if I could have got 60p with a bit more effort, so what.
Whereas if I have have 100 of something with an average of 50p, then I'll
spend a bit more time on the price of those. And for minifigures I always do
a bit more manual analysis, looking at what is available, what the sales rates
are, thinking about what other stock might be listed soon (is it a current or
old set), etc. I find it probably saves 90% of the time compared to if I manually
priced each part individually.
It is also a good tool for deciding what not to sell when parting out. If I see
something is worth only a small amount on average and there is a possibility
I might use it, I'll just delete it from the part out and keep it. I find
I often build up personal bins full of small parts this way, that I then go on
to use for greebling or other details on models.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 12:33 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Because it's easy.
There are a lot of manual things to do with having a store, people probably just
want one mindless thing to do.
But pricing is probably the most important, right?
|
I often use the six month average to part out, but as a baseline for cheap parts
I cannot be bothered to price manually.
If I have 10 of something that have sold for the 6 month average of 3p each,
then I'm not going to bother looking into pricing. I'll list at that
price. I might be able to do two minutes worth of work and decide I might be
able to get 4p instead, but it is not worth it. Same idea if I have one thing
with an average of 50p - if I could have got 60p with a bit more effort, so what.
Whereas if I have have 100 of something with an average of 50p, then I'll
spend a bit more time on the price of those. And for minifigures I always do
a bit more manual analysis, looking at what is available, what the sales rates
are, thinking about what other stock might be listed soon (is it a current or
old set), etc. I find it probably saves 90% of the time compared to if I manually
priced each part individually.
It is also a good tool for deciding what not to sell when parting out. If I see
something is worth only a small amount on average and there is a possibility
I might use it, I'll just delete it from the part out and keep it. I find
I often build up personal bins full of small parts this way, that I then go on
to use for greebling or other details on models.
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OK thanks, that makes a lot of sense. With cheap common parts we usually list
them at our existing price and review those prices as a separate process so I
guess similar. What I hear though is people using it as a total solution, maybe
they don't tell the whole story and actually use it as a "guide" too.
Robert
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 12:46 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rob_and_Shelagh writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Because it's easy.
There are a lot of manual things to do with having a store, people probably just
want one mindless thing to do.
But pricing is probably the most important, right?
|
I often use the six month average to part out, but as a baseline for cheap parts
I cannot be bothered to price manually.
If I have 10 of something that have sold for the 6 month average of 3p each,
then I'm not going to bother looking into pricing. I'll list at that
price. I might be able to do two minutes worth of work and decide I might be
able to get 4p instead, but it is not worth it. Same idea if I have one thing
with an average of 50p - if I could have got 60p with a bit more effort, so what.
Whereas if I have have 100 of something with an average of 50p, then I'll
spend a bit more time on the price of those. And for minifigures I always do
a bit more manual analysis, looking at what is available, what the sales rates
are, thinking about what other stock might be listed soon (is it a current or
old set), etc. I find it probably saves 90% of the time compared to if I manually
priced each part individually.
It is also a good tool for deciding what not to sell when parting out. If I see
something is worth only a small amount on average and there is a possibility
I might use it, I'll just delete it from the part out and keep it. I find
I often build up personal bins full of small parts this way, that I then go on
to use for greebling or other details on models.
|
OK thanks, that makes a lot of sense. With cheap common parts we usually list
them at our existing price and review those prices as a separate process so I
guess similar. What I hear though is people using it as a total solution, maybe
they don't tell the whole story and actually use it as a "guide" too.
Robert
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I don't think I ever use it completely like that, but for probably 90% of
the items in a set.
It is mindless, but not _totally_ mindless. I'd prefer to spend the time
on the parts I'm more likely to be able to make more money on, and less time
on the fodder where the same time might yield only pennies.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 10:08 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mgiglio writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | | | You are mistaken. Sellers do not have the ability to part out a set and automatically
list the pieces at the 6 month average, using any BrickLink tools. It's possible
to do so with 3rd-party tools (off BrickLink), but those tools are available
to buyers as well. The access to pricing information is identical for buyers
and sellers.
|
What am I missing here? Is it interpretation of words?
Sellers can use the part out a set tool and set their part prices at the (worldwide)
six month average price, using Bricklink.
|
this is correct. i did it last night. it's a very useful feature for a seller.
don't know why someone is saying this can't be done right in bricklink.
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You're right. I was wrong about that. I was thinking of re-pricing existing
inventory to the 6-month average.
--
Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 23, 2017 14:02 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
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All of which is fine (more or less). But it becomes a bit of a problem when sellers
who want to list that "$10" minifigure for $10 show up on a BrickLink tool as
being 75% higher than average.
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Who said it was a “$10” minifigure? The Seller selling it for $10? Was it Lego?
Lego can tell me it’s a $10 minifigure and I have to pay $10 because it’s Lego’s
product. I’m not buying from Lego. I’m buying from a reseller. The official
Lego price no longer comes into play. The price now is what the resellers are
selling it for. 10 other Sellers think its worth $6. Doesn’t their opinion
of value matter? I was previously told that if a piece has an average price
of $0.33 and it’s selling for $1.48 then I need to gauge how much that piece
is worth to me. Shouldn’t that same courtesy be extended to Sellers to who think
their piece is worth $6? If 10 Sellers think the piece is worth $6 then that
piece is now worth $6 and the $10 Seller made an investment that may not have
been wise.
Think of Lego as stock. Sellers purchase stock in Lego and then as a broker
they resell it. They do this hoping that the stock they buy will increase in
price. Sometimes it goes up, sometimes it goes down. Most of that up and down
depends on what other brokers are selling that stock for. It also depends on
the available of stock, and on the reputation of the company. I buy stock in
Lego. I buy it from the Seller brokers. I walk into the Bricklink marketplace
and I see hundreds of Sellers and they’re all showing me their prices and right
next to their price I should see an average 6 month price. That price should
not include shipping, handling, fee and surcharges. Those are brokerage fees.
You research your broker fees before you decide to do business with them. That
research is different from price research. No one takes all brokerage fees,
adds them up and divides them into an average and adds them to the average price
of stock. When I walk into Bricklink I should see prices and right next to them
I should see average prices. Do you know why?
Because I just picked up my phone and opened the app that shows me the actual
real world stock I own. The app shows me the current market value of that stock
and right next to it – it shows me the 52 week high and the 52 week low.
It’s an awfully useful app. I wish Brinklink had one.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Mar 23, 2017 14:10 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I just went onto Amazon.ca and looked for a death star
It said $599.86
I had to click another link to show what someone else was selling the same set
for (3rd party)
No where did I see a comparison of what the average price is
I didn't see what the cost was at Lego
Or Walmart
Or bricklink
or TRU
How am I supposed to see if the best price is from Amazon if they don't give
me the other figures, or at least the average.
They make me go to Lego, or walmart, or TRU or eBay.
I just want something that's easy and caters to me.
It shouldn't matter that if TRU is having a sale that I'm likely not
to purchase it from Amazon, they should tell me everything I need to know with
out doing any further clicking.
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| |
All of which is fine (more or less). But it becomes a bit of a problem when sellers
who want to list that "$10" minifigure for $10 show up on a BrickLink tool as
being 75% higher than average.
|
Who said it was a “$10” minifigure? The Seller selling it for $10? Was it Lego?
Lego can tell me it’s a $10 minifigure and I have to pay $10 because it’s Lego’s
product. I’m not buying from Lego. I’m buying from a reseller. The official
Lego price no longer comes into play. The price now is what the resellers are
selling it for. 10 other Sellers think its worth $6. Doesn’t their opinion
of value matter? I was previously told that if a piece has an average price
of $0.33 and it’s selling for $1.48 then I need to gauge how much that piece
is worth to me. Shouldn’t that same courtesy be extended to Sellers to who think
their piece is worth $6? If 10 Sellers think the piece is worth $6 then that
piece is now worth $6 and the $10 Seller made an investment that may not have
been wise.
Think of Lego as stock. Sellers purchase stock in Lego and then as a broker
they resell it. They do this hoping that the stock they buy will increase in
price. Sometimes it goes up, sometimes it goes down. Most of that up and down
depends on what other brokers are selling that stock for. It also depends on
the available of stock, and on the reputation of the company. I buy stock in
Lego. I buy it from the Seller brokers. I walk into the Bricklink marketplace
and I see hundreds of Sellers and they’re all showing me their prices and right
next to their price I should see an average 6 month price. That price should
not include shipping, handling, fee and surcharges. Those are brokerage fees.
You research your broker fees before you decide to do business with them. That
research is different from price research. No one takes all brokerage fees,
adds them up and divides them into an average and adds them to the average price
of stock. When I walk into Bricklink I should see prices and right next to them
I should see average prices. Do you know why?
Because I just picked up my phone and opened the app that shows me the actual
real world stock I own. The app shows me the current market value of that stock
and right next to it – it shows me the 52 week high and the 52 week low.
It’s an awfully useful app. I wish Brinklink had one.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb398322 | | Posted: | Mar 23, 2017 14:43 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | I just went onto Amazon.ca and looked for a death star
It said $599.86
I had to click another link to show what someone else was selling the same set
for (3rd party)
No where did I see a comparison of what the average price is
I didn't see what the cost was at Lego
Or Walmart
Or bricklink
or TRU
How am I supposed to see if the best price is from Amazon if they don't give
me the other figures, or at least the average.
They make me go to Lego, or walmart, or TRU or eBay.
I just want something that's easy and caters to me.
It shouldn't matter that if TRU is having a sale that I'm likely not
to purchase it from Amazon, they should tell me everything I need to know with
out doing any further clicking.
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| |
All of which is fine (more or less). But it becomes a bit of a problem when sellers
who want to list that "$10" minifigure for $10 show up on a BrickLink tool as
being 75% higher than average.
|
Who said it was a “$10” minifigure? The Seller selling it for $10? Was it Lego?
Lego can tell me it’s a $10 minifigure and I have to pay $10 because it’s Lego’s
product. I’m not buying from Lego. I’m buying from a reseller. The official
Lego price no longer comes into play. The price now is what the resellers are
selling it for. 10 other Sellers think its worth $6. Doesn’t their opinion
of value matter? I was previously told that if a piece has an average price
of $0.33 and it’s selling for $1.48 then I need to gauge how much that piece
is worth to me. Shouldn’t that same courtesy be extended to Sellers to who think
their piece is worth $6? If 10 Sellers think the piece is worth $6 then that
piece is now worth $6 and the $10 Seller made an investment that may not have
been wise.
Think of Lego as stock. Sellers purchase stock in Lego and then as a broker
they resell it. They do this hoping that the stock they buy will increase in
price. Sometimes it goes up, sometimes it goes down. Most of that up and down
depends on what other brokers are selling that stock for. It also depends on
the available of stock, and on the reputation of the company. I buy stock in
Lego. I buy it from the Seller brokers. I walk into the Bricklink marketplace
and I see hundreds of Sellers and they’re all showing me their prices and right
next to their price I should see an average 6 month price. That price should
not include shipping, handling, fee and surcharges. Those are brokerage fees.
You research your broker fees before you decide to do business with them. That
research is different from price research. No one takes all brokerage fees,
adds them up and divides them into an average and adds them to the average price
of stock. When I walk into Bricklink I should see prices and right next to them
I should see average prices. Do you know why?
Because I just picked up my phone and opened the app that shows me the actual
real world stock I own. The app shows me the current market value of that stock
and right next to it – it shows me the 52 week high and the 52 week low.
It’s an awfully useful app. I wish Brinklink had one.
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How could amazon do such a thing? They must not believe in Free Market not providing
these 6 month averages from their competitors.
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| And how can they sell apples at 3.99€?
https://www.amazon.de/verschiedene-Äpfel-Sorten-Bio/dp/B003QY50O8/
In Suggestions, ijkim writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | I just went onto Amazon.ca and looked for a death star
It said $599.86
I had to click another link to show what someone else was selling the same set
for (3rd party)
No where did I see a comparison of what the average price is
I didn't see what the cost was at Lego
Or Walmart
Or bricklink
or TRU
How am I supposed to see if the best price is from Amazon if they don't give
me the other figures, or at least the average.
They make me go to Lego, or walmart, or TRU or eBay.
I just want something that's easy and caters to me.
It shouldn't matter that if TRU is having a sale that I'm likely not
to purchase it from Amazon, they should tell me everything I need to know with
out doing any further clicking.
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
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All of which is fine (more or less). But it becomes a bit of a problem when sellers
who want to list that "$10" minifigure for $10 show up on a BrickLink tool as
being 75% higher than average.
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Who said it was a “$10” minifigure? The Seller selling it for $10? Was it Lego?
Lego can tell me it’s a $10 minifigure and I have to pay $10 because it’s Lego’s
product. I’m not buying from Lego. I’m buying from a reseller. The official
Lego price no longer comes into play. The price now is what the resellers are
selling it for. 10 other Sellers think its worth $6. Doesn’t their opinion
of value matter? I was previously told that if a piece has an average price
of $0.33 and it’s selling for $1.48 then I need to gauge how much that piece
is worth to me. Shouldn’t that same courtesy be extended to Sellers to who think
their piece is worth $6? If 10 Sellers think the piece is worth $6 then that
piece is now worth $6 and the $10 Seller made an investment that may not have
been wise.
Think of Lego as stock. Sellers purchase stock in Lego and then as a broker
they resell it. They do this hoping that the stock they buy will increase in
price. Sometimes it goes up, sometimes it goes down. Most of that up and down
depends on what other brokers are selling that stock for. It also depends on
the available of stock, and on the reputation of the company. I buy stock in
Lego. I buy it from the Seller brokers. I walk into the Bricklink marketplace
and I see hundreds of Sellers and they’re all showing me their prices and right
next to their price I should see an average 6 month price. That price should
not include shipping, handling, fee and surcharges. Those are brokerage fees.
You research your broker fees before you decide to do business with them. That
research is different from price research. No one takes all brokerage fees,
adds them up and divides them into an average and adds them to the average price
of stock. When I walk into Bricklink I should see prices and right next to them
I should see average prices. Do you know why?
Because I just picked up my phone and opened the app that shows me the actual
real world stock I own. The app shows me the current market value of that stock
and right next to it – it shows me the 52 week high and the 52 week low.
It’s an awfully useful app. I wish Brinklink had one.
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How could amazon do such a thing? They must not believe in Free Market not providing
these 6 month averages from their competitors.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Mar 28, 2017 11:36 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | I just went onto Amazon.ca and looked for a death star
It said $599.86
I had to click another link to show what someone else was selling the same set
for (3rd party)
No where did I see a comparison of what the average price is
I didn't see what the cost was at Lego
Or Walmart
Or bricklink
or TRU
How am I supposed to see if the best price is from Amazon if they don't give
me the other figures, or at least the average.
They make me go to Lego, or walmart, or TRU or eBay.
I just want something that's easy and caters to me.
It shouldn't matter that if TRU is having a sale that I'm likely not
to purchase it from Amazon, they should tell me everything I need to know with
out doing any further clicking.
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You're buying the product new. There is a suggested retail price. Anything
below that is a good deal, everything above that is not. You are also buying
one product. You have access to that product's suggested retail price and
easy access to the various stores that sell it comparison. I'm not buying
one product, I'm buying 574. From 4000 stores. Now I no longer have easy
access to a suggested retail price, nor am I able to easily compare the price
of one store to that of another. I think I'm correct in this statement because
if I was wrong Sellers wouldn't care if I had the average pricing tool.
Sellers would prefer that I not have this tool so that an undo burden is placed
on me. I am no longer buying Lego, I am pricing my want and my time. I would
prefer to purchase a product from a store, not walk in and gauge my self worth.
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| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelling_salesman_problem
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | I just went onto Amazon.ca and looked for a death star
It said $599.86
I had to click another link to show what someone else was selling the same set
for (3rd party)
No where did I see a comparison of what the average price is
I didn't see what the cost was at Lego
Or Walmart
Or bricklink
or TRU
How am I supposed to see if the best price is from Amazon if they don't give
me the other figures, or at least the average.
They make me go to Lego, or walmart, or TRU or eBay.
I just want something that's easy and caters to me.
It shouldn't matter that if TRU is having a sale that I'm likely not
to purchase it from Amazon, they should tell me everything I need to know with
out doing any further clicking.
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You're buying the product new. There is a suggested retail price. Anything
below that is a good deal, everything above that is not. You are also buying
one product. You have access to that product's suggested retail price and
easy access to the various stores that sell it comparison. I'm not buying
one product, I'm buying 574. From 4000 stores. Now I no longer have easy
access to a suggested retail price, nor am I able to easily compare the price
of one store to that of another. I think I'm correct in this statement because
if I was wrong Sellers wouldn't care if I had the average pricing tool.
Sellers would prefer that I not have this tool so that an undo burden is placed
on me. I am no longer buying Lego, I am pricing my want and my time. I would
prefer to purchase a product from a store, not walk in and gauge my self worth.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 28, 2017 12:26 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | ... I'm not buying
one product, I'm buying 574. From 4000 stores. Now I no longer have easy
access to a suggested retail price, nor am I able to easily compare the price
of one store to that of another. I think I'm correct in this statement because
if I was wrong Sellers wouldn't care if I had the average pricing tool.
Sellers would prefer that I not have this tool so that an undo burden is placed
on me.
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Did you actually read any of the reasons that sellers gave for why they didn't
like this tool? Because when you write something like that, it appears that you
did not. Or, you read them but didn't understand them. Or, you understood
them but are deliberately ignoring what they told you.
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Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 23, 2017 15:11 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Lego isn't like stocks though. How many times do you buy $1 stocks in one
company, $2 in another, 20c in another, all from the same broker. Then have a
fixed fee (shipping on BL) that applies per order rather than per stock trade.
Lego prices fluctuate more than stocks, simply because they are not stocks.
As to the $10 minifigures, if a seller values it at $10 that is what he sees
the value as. Others may see it as a $6 figure, yet the $10 one may still sell
first. There might be a problem with the $6 seller - low inventory, poor feedback,
high shipping, etc that means no-one wants it from them.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Mar 23, 2017 15:51 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
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All of which is fine (more or less). But it becomes a bit of a problem when sellers
who want to list that "$10" minifigure for $10 show up on a BrickLink tool as
being 75% higher than average.
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Who said it was a “$10” minifigure?
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The buyers who are willing to pay $10 for it. As I said in my post, it's
only a "$10" minifig because people are buying it for $10. I even put it in quotes
to highlight how that number does not actually indicate something intrinsic in
the minifig.
| | The Seller selling it for $10? Was it Lego?
Lego can tell me it’s a $10 minifigure and I have to pay $10 because it’s Lego’s
product. I’m not buying from Lego. I’m buying from a reseller. The official
Lego price no longer comes into play. The price now is what the resellers are
selling it for. 10 other Sellers think its worth $6. Doesn’t their opinion
of value matter?
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It does. But what matters more than what the sellers think it's worth is
what the buyers think it's worth.
I was previously told that if a piece has an average price
| | of $0.33 and it’s selling for $1.48 then I need to gauge how much that piece
is worth to me.
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You should. Buyers determine the value.
| | Shouldn’t that same courtesy be extended to Sellers to who think
their piece is worth $6? If 10 Sellers think the piece is worth $6 then that
piece is now worth $6 and the $10 Seller made an investment that may not have
been wise.
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It's worth whatever a buyer who is willing to hand over money thinks it's
worth.
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Think of Lego as stock. Sellers purchase stock in Lego and then as a broker
they resell it. They do this hoping that the stock they buy will increase in
price. Sometimes it goes up, sometimes it goes down. Most of that up and down
depends on what other brokers are selling that stock for. It also depends on
the available of stock, and on the reputation of the company. I buy stock in
Lego. I buy it from the Seller brokers. I walk into the Bricklink marketplace
and I see hundreds of Sellers and they’re all showing me their prices and right
next to their price I should see an average 6 month price. That price should
not include shipping, handling, fee and surcharges. Those are brokerage fees.
You research your broker fees before you decide to do business with them. That
research is different from price research. No one takes all brokerage fees,
adds them up and divides them into an average and adds them to the average price
of stock. When I walk into Bricklink I should see prices and right next to them
I should see average prices. Do you know why?
Because I just picked up my phone and opened the app that shows me the actual
real world stock I own. The app shows me the current market value of that stock
and right next to it – it shows me the 52 week high and the 52 week low.
It’s an awfully useful app. I wish Brinklink had one.
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Except that your stock market app does NOT show the average price of the stocks
available for purchase. It would show you the prices that it has sold at, and
the lowest price available. BrickLink also does that.
But, your analogy is deeply flawed in other ways.
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Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 22, 2017 05:11 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | of course i am not suggesting that parts be given away for free. i'm saying
maybe part prices are inflated if sellers are actually willing to sell for less.
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In some cases, I think it is not willing to sell for less, but feeling the need
to sell for less to get a sale.
Part of the problem is that the average doesn't take into account location.
A few times I have had buyers contact me asking me to give them a better price
"because they can buy cheaper from the US", although this happens on single parts
as well as larger amounts of parts when the wants list price tool was there.
I tell them to buy from the US and to pay the extra shipping, to pay the £8 RM
fee for importing the items, to pay VAT on top when they import. None of those
fees appear in the tool, yet the more expensive stores look bad compared to other
stores where these fees would be applicable.
| | or maybe let bricklink set the price. millennium
falcon radar dish: $10. seller paid more for it originally, tough crap, you can
only sell it here for $10. that's not fair to the seller though, is it?
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It is also illegal in many countries. BL would also lose many sellers to rival
free markets such BO, ebay, etc.
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| | | | | Author: | bb745370 | | Posted: | Mar 29, 2017 10:50 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I very much like this feature back, as it often showed me some really hefty markup
in some stores and it made a difference of several euros to look out for those
overpriced items. Now i have to manually compare prices by doing excel sheets
and its a pain in the a** to do and i keep shifting to buy stuff i want more
and more cause i can't find the time to do all this comparing every time
i need something.
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| | | | | Author: | PrairieCorsair | | Posted: | Apr 1, 2017 11:25 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I found this feature invaluable when I was new to Bricklink as it allowed me
to gauge what a more reasonable price was instantly for a large selection of
pieces. It was a great means at identifying stores that priced their stock reasonably
and I used it anytime I bought through my wanted lists.
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| | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Apr 3, 2017 09:52 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I voted Yes to bring back the Average Pricing Tool because when I think of the
Average Pricing Tool I think of The Tale of Little Johnny. The Tale of Little
Johnny is a story in multiple parts. Today we hear part one...
The Tale of Little Johnny
Part One: Here Comes Little Johnny
Little Johnny loves apple pies and every week Little Johnny goes to the apple
Orchard and buys apples for his apple pies. After a while Little Johnny realizes
that he has 2 full baskets of extra apples. Minimum quantity when buying, you
know that jazz. So Little Johnny takes his 2 baskets of apples and loads them
into his donkey cart and moseys on over to the Orchard and he tells the Orchard
“I would like to sell these apples please!” The Orchard looks at him and thinks
‘he just looks so cute in his little overalls’ and the Orchard tells him “Sure.
There is a little stand over there by Little Debbie. Go set yourself up there.
Good luck!” Little Johnny heads over to his little stand and sets his basket
of apples on the table and looks over at Little Debbie and says “Hi Little Debbie!
I’m Little Johnny. It’s nice to meet you.” Little Debbie looks at him, then
looks at his overalls, and looks back at him. “Hi”
Now Little Debbie is at the Orchard every day. Little Debbie isn’t just at the
Orchard every day, Little Debbie works at the Orchard every day. Little Debbie
lives and breathes to sell apples. Little Johnny does not work at the Orchard,
Little Johnny works for The Man. Everyday Little Johnny wakes up at 5am and
drives his little donkey cart in bumper to bumper donkey cart traffic to his
job at Soulless Enterprises. They sell toasters there. Nice ones, they come
in different colors. Now Little Johnny doesn’t like working for The Man but
this is his lot in life. The Man pays him and Little Johnny takes his little
money and buys apples to bake apple pies. Now with his little time that he has
at the end of his long day Little Johnny is gonna try to sell some apples. Little
Johnny loves apples. He eats them, he bakes them and now he’s going to try his
little hand at selling them. Yay for Little Johnny.
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| | | | | | | Author: | TokerSays | | Posted: | Apr 4, 2017 09:55 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
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The Tale of Little Johnny
Part One: Here Comes Little Johnny
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The Tale of Little Johnny
Part 2: What Is It Worth
Little Johnny takes all his little apples out of his basket and sets them up
in neat rows on his stall.
“Little Debbie would you help me, what should I price my apples at?” Little
Debbie looks at Little Johnny, looks at Little Johnny’s overalls, and looks at
Little Johnny. “Well, what are they worth to you?” Little Johnny looks at Little
Debbie, looks at his apples, and looks at Little Debbie. “Is that a rhetorical
question?” Little Debbie looks at Little Johnny, looks at Little Johnny’s overalls,
and looks at Little Johnny. “No” Little Debbie says. Little Johnny looks back
at Little Debbie and says “Oh, ok then.” Little Johnny looks back at his price
tickets and looks at his apples and says “what are you worth?” Little Debbie
looks at Little Johnny talking to his apples and wonders if Little Johnny expects
them to answer back. “Little Debbie, what if my apples aren’t worth as much
as your apples?” Little Debbie looks back at Little Johnny and says “They probably
aren’t.” Little Johnny starts to get confused; “Well if my apples aren’t worth
as much as your apples and someone wants to buy our apples then how much are
they worth?” Little Debbie folders her little arms on her stalls and explains
looks at Little Johnny like she needs to explain algebra. “If someone wants
to buy an apple and they think it’s worth a gold coin they will come to me, if
they think it’s worth a silver coin they will go to you, and if they think it’s
a bronze coin they will go to Little Duncan” and Little Debbie nods over to Little
Duncan with his little finger in his nose. “What if someone thinks it is worth
a bronze coin and Little Duncan doesn’t have anymore?” says Little Johnny.
“Well then its worth a silver coin now isn’t it?” says the exasperated Little
Debbie. Little Johnny looks over at Little Duncan with his little finger in
his nose and Little Duncan sees Little Johnny and awkwardly waves. “But you
still think it’s worth a gold coin?” says Little Johnny to Little Debbie. Little
Debbie shakes her little head likes she’s trying to get fleas out of her hair.
“Just use the Harvest List!”
Now the Harvest List is a list that sits on a little stand at the front gate
of the Orchard. It tells you which apples are in season, which ones are out
of season, which ones are coming into season and which ones are going out of
season. Everyone at the Orchard walks around with a Harvest List. Little Johnny
gets up and grabs one of the Harvest List, looks at the list and looks at his
apples and starts filling out his little price tickets. Little Johnny finishes
pricing all his apples and arranges them neatly in rows and then places a sign
on his stall “Little Johnny’s Jolly Apples – Open for Business”
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Apr 4, 2017 10:15 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| But little Johnny went to some place central for that harvest list.
You can too.
In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
| | In Suggestions, TokerSays writes:
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The Tale of Little Johnny
Part One: Here Comes Little Johnny
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The Tale of Little Johnny
Part 2: What Is It Worth
Little Johnny takes all his little apples out of his basket and sets them up
in neat rows on his stall.
“Little Debbie would you help me, what should I price my apples at?” Little
Debbie looks at Little Johnny, looks at Little Johnny’s overalls, and looks at
Little Johnny. “Well, what are they worth to you?” Little Johnny looks at Little
Debbie, looks at his apples, and looks at Little Debbie. “Is that a rhetorical
question?” Little Debbie looks at Little Johnny, looks at Little Johnny’s overalls,
and looks at Little Johnny. “No” Little Debbie says. Little Johnny looks back
at Little Debbie and says “Oh, ok then.” Little Johnny looks back at his price
tickets and looks at his apples and says “what are you worth?” Little Debbie
looks at Little Johnny talking to his apples and wonders if Little Johnny expects
them to answer back. “Little Debbie, what if my apples aren’t worth as much
as your apples?” Little Debbie looks back at Little Johnny and says “They probably
aren’t.” Little Johnny starts to get confused; “Well if my apples aren’t worth
as much as your apples and someone wants to buy our apples then how much are
they worth?” Little Debbie folders her little arms on her stalls and explains
looks at Little Johnny like she needs to explain algebra. “If someone wants
to buy an apple and they think it’s worth a gold coin they will come to me, if
they think it’s worth a silver coin they will go to you, and if they think it’s
a bronze coin they will go to Little Duncan” and Little Debbie nods over to Little
Duncan with his little finger in his nose. “What if someone thinks it is worth
a bronze coin and Little Duncan doesn’t have anymore?” says Little Johnny.
“Well then its worth a silver coin now isn’t it?” says the exasperated Little
Debbie. Little Johnny looks over at Little Duncan with his little finger in
his nose and Little Duncan sees Little Johnny and awkwardly waves. “But you
still think it’s worth a gold coin?” says Little Johnny to Little Debbie. Little
Debbie shakes her little head likes she’s trying to get fleas out of her hair.
“Just use the Harvest List!”
Now the Harvest List is a list that sits on a little stand at the front gate
of the Orchard. It tells you which apples are in season, which ones are out
of season, which ones are coming into season and which ones are going out of
season. Everyone at the Orchard walks around with a Harvest List. Little Johnny
gets up and grabs one of the Harvest List, looks at the list and looks at his
apples and starts filling out his little price tickets. Little Johnny finishes
pricing all his apples and arranges them neatly in rows and then places a sign
on his stall “Little Johnny’s Jolly Apples – Open for Business”
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| | | | | Author: | Bricks_Fix | | Posted: | Apr 29, 2017 07:55 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| YES. This is a business killer for me. I started using Bricklink before the
feature was in place, ordering parts to complete sets to sell. And the feature
was really nice for that, but with the small part quantities I could find decent
prices without it- but I really wanted that feature and was glad when it came.
Then I pushed the business forward and began to make MOCs to sell. And they
are selling! With the ability to compare prices I could manage my parts supply
and started to put in much larger Bricklink orders in a fraction of the time.
Today I'm trying to place a 1000+ part order and don't have the time
or patience to wade through the stores with ridiculous prices to find parts at
a reasonable price. And if I do I'll end up with orders from 20 stores instead
of 5, and the only winner is the USPS.
I sell on eBay where the buyer is heavily favored, and now I'm supposed to
buy where the seller is heavily favored?!?! That's a losing proposition
on both sides.
I know the system wasn't perfect but it helped a LOT. If this gets read
by the Bricklink staff, please consider the fact that buyers like me will simply
go away if we can't turn a profit.
Thank you for an AWESOME site. Please help make it easier for the buyers to
buy. That will ensure that buyers like myself will continue to buy, grow our
businesses, and grow your business.
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| | | | | Author: | FirstTimer | | Posted: | May 8, 2017 11:02 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | Two Month later ... any decision from bricklink? results of the votes? |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | May 8, 2017 15:23 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FirstTimer writes:
| | Two Month later ... any decision from bricklink? results of the votes?
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Status: Discarded
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| Too bad. I have many big projects that I'd like to start, but this is really
a deal breaker. I guess I'll just continue to buy off of ebay for bigger
lots/sets instead.
For me this feature was all about choosing the best overall value when considering
the price over the number of lots on my wanted list I could fulfill. I also
found myself being able to place larger $ orders to maximize shipping costs.
The old way works, however, it takes substantially more time than I wish to give
up just for shopping and probably placing more orders than really needed. I'd
rather be building.
In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, FirstTimer writes:
| | Two Month later ... any decision from bricklink? results of the votes?
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Status: Discarded
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| | | | | Author: | Fisticuffs | | Posted: | May 29, 2017 18:22 | | Subject: | Re: price overview when buying a wanted list | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | Yes, bring the feature back! |
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Hungary, Jász-Nagykun-Szolnok
Netherlands, Gelderland
USA, Colorado
Canada, Alberta
United Kingdom, England
Australia, South Australia
France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
Italy, Lazio
New Zealand, Waikato
Germany, Niedersachsen
South Korea, Kyongsang-bukdo
Sweden, Stockholm
