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| | | Author: | Heartbricker  | | Posted: | Feb 1, 2017 23:40 | | Subject: | This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 487 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Discarded | |
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| I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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| | | | | Author: | MasterMinifigs | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 00:16 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 112 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| The only problem is not all sellers buy.It could take a while to get 10 feedback
if you don't buy much.
In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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| | | | | | | Author: | wanderer101 | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 05:27 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, WindyCity writes:
| | The only problem is not all sellers buy.It could take a while to get 10 feedback
if you don't buy much.
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Well they can buy somebody's Lego on sale to put in their store. I agree
with Heartbricker's suggestion. After all you should know something about
buying Lego and how to package etc. before selling it. Not to mention it would
be nice to know a few things about parts and colors too.
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In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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| | | | | | | Author: | estaswick | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 20:29 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| This. I've been selling for a year and still only have 6 buys. 500+ transactions
as seller.
In Suggestions, WindyCity writes:
| | The only problem is not all sellers buy.It could take a while to get 10 feedback
if you don't buy much.
In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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| | | | | Author: | udenbricks | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 05:59 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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I dont think this will work, it is very easy to make some fake accounts and
buy 10 times and give 10 x feedback.
Maybe it is possible to add a sort of "verified account" status.
Only if an account is verified they can sell.
Or only If they are verified a red flag turns in a green flag. As long as a seller
has a red flag every buyer in that shop gets a popup at checkout with warnings
to be carefull before purchasing.
A group of "certified" volunteers can verify all the adress and account-info
before turning it into a green flag. With every adress or account change a seller
must go through the process of verifying again. (to prefend hackers or accounts
taken over by other persons)
Subscribe me as a volunteer.
regards,
Nico
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| | | | | | | Author: | Heartbricker | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 10:20 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, udenbricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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I dont think this will work, it is very easy to make some fake accounts and
buy 10 times and give 10 x feedback.
Maybe it is possible to add a sort of "verified account" status.
Only if an account is verified they can sell.
Or only If they are verified a red flag turns in a green flag. As long as a seller
has a red flag every buyer in that shop gets a popup at checkout with warnings
to be carefull before purchasing.
A group of "certified" volunteers can verify all the adress and account-info
before turning it into a green flag. With every adress or account change a seller
must go through the process of verifying again. (to prefend hackers or accounts
taken over by other persons)
Subscribe me as a volunteer.
regards,
Nico
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The whole point of starting from 10 successful buying transaction is that they
cannot start multiple seller accounts to gain feedback.
Also isn't it better to make a scammer jump through some obstacles before
being able to scam? this suggestion makes the seller do some work to gain access
to selling where NOW he can just scam, if it doesn't work he opens a new
account and starts again- so easy. having to make 10 purchases will make the
person get a paypal account (most scammers don't have PP they ask for wire
transfers)
This idea is good because it is simple to implement- it won't solve the problem
100%- but will over 90%
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Proprietor | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 11:23 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I thought the implementation of on-site payments was supposed to help in some
way. Was it only by requiring Paypal for new sellers? We know that's no
guarantee. Wonder if there's a way for BL to work with PP so that new BL
sellers have their funds held at PP for a number of days until buyers confirm
receipt. And maybe it needs to be receipt by buyers who have a minimum of X
feedback or Y years of membership, so it's not sham buyers validating delivery.
Question is whether the burden dissuades more legit new sellers than it thwarts
shams. Considering the surplus of sellers here, I'd think it worth a try.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Heartbricker | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 11:28 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Proprietor writes:
| | I thought the implementation of on-site payments was supposed to help in some
way. Was it only by requiring Paypal for new sellers? We know that's no
guarantee. Wonder if there's a way for BL to work with PP so that new BL
sellers have their funds held at PP for a number of days until buyers confirm
receipt. And maybe it needs to be receipt by buyers who have a minimum of X
feedback or Y years of membership, so it's not sham buyers validating delivery.
Question is whether the burden dissuades more legit new sellers than it thwarts
shams. Considering the surplus of sellers here, I'd think it worth a try.
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I'd agree with you BUT the normal scam is that the new sellers claim to have
a PP account and then tell the buyers to send the money through wire transfers/western
union/other methods that cannot be circumvented...
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 12:16 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Proprietor writes:
| | I thought the implementation of on-site payments was supposed to help in some
way. Was it only by requiring Paypal for new sellers? We know that's no
guarantee.
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I'm pretty sure it is, actually. If the purchase qualifies for buyer protection,
the buyer is protected (regardless of whether Paypal can successfully recover
the funds or not). They changed their terms while back.
| | Wonder if there's a way for BL to work with PP so that new BL
sellers have their funds held at PP for a number of days until buyers confirm
receipt. And maybe it needs to be receipt by buyers who have a minimum of X
feedback or Y years of membership, so it's not sham buyers validating delivery.
Question is whether the burden dissuades more legit new sellers than it thwarts
shams. Considering the surplus of sellers here, I'd think it worth a try.
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Having an escrow-type way to hold funds was part of the plan that was rolled
out at the summit in Chicago a year and a half ago. When BL discussed it on the
forum, a lot of people on the forum complained very loudly that it was a terrible
idea, and we haven't heard a lot about it since then. It's too bad, because
I thought (and still think) that it's a fantastic idea. (A side benefit of
it is that BL could LOWER our Paypal fees, as well.)
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Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb554542 | | Posted: | Feb 25, 2017 00:47 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, Proprietor writes:
| | I thought the implementation of on-site payments was supposed to help in some
way. Was it only by requiring Paypal for new sellers? We know that's no
guarantee.
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I'm pretty sure it is, actually. If the purchase qualifies for buyer protection,
the buyer is protected (regardless of whether Paypal can successfully recover
the funds or not). They changed their terms while back.
| | Wonder if there's a way for BL to work with PP so that new BL
sellers have their funds held at PP for a number of days until buyers confirm
receipt. And maybe it needs to be receipt by buyers who have a minimum of X
feedback or Y years of membership, so it's not sham buyers validating delivery.
Question is whether the burden dissuades more legit new sellers than it thwarts
shams. Considering the surplus of sellers here, I'd think it worth a try.
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Having an escrow-type way to hold funds was part of the plan that was rolled
out at the summit in Chicago a year and a half ago. When BL discussed it on the
forum, a lot of people on the forum complained very loudly that it was a terrible
idea, and we haven't heard a lot about it since then. It's too bad, because
I thought (and still think) that it's a fantastic idea. (A side benefit of
it is that BL could LOWER our Paypal fees, as well.)
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Marc.
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BrickLink could never hold Paypal funds in escrow. IANAL, but I don't see
how that is legal, for one thing. It would also be a huge burden on BrickLink
to track all that money and not have it disappear due to simple (keypunch) error,
hacking, theft, mismanagement, or imcompetence.
For another thing, it won't work for logistical reasons -- Sellers need
access to the Paypal payment in order to ship the order -- the verified address,
etc, for both the buyer protection and seller protection to work.
Also, you cannot expect sellers to front all the postage costs with the funds
in escrow. If a parcel costs 20 bucks to ship, you can't expect the vendor
to handle that cost while there is money for the transaction that the seller
cannot access.
It's bad enough sellers already subsidize shipping on each and every Paypal-paid
order, but expecting them to ship without the cash up front simply won't
work.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 12:10 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | The whole point of starting from 10 successful buying transaction is that they
cannot start multiple seller accounts to gain feedback.
Also isn't it better to make a scammer jump through some obstacles before
being able to scam? this suggestion makes the seller do some work to gain access
to selling where NOW he can just scam, if it doesn't work he opens a new
account and starts again- so easy. having to make 10 purchases will make the
person get a paypal account (most scammers don't have PP they ask for wire
transfers)
This idea is good because it is simple to implement- it won't solve the problem
100%- but will over 90%
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The risk is that for the scammers who put in that extra work, their account now
looks a lot more trustworthy, so when they move on to the scam, they are a lot
more likely to be successful at it. Ebay had a similar problem (I don't know
if they still do) -- sellers would sell a few dozen items for a penny, take
the loss, and then when their account looked great, with lots of praising feedback,
they'd flip it into a scam.
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Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | udenbricks | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 12:16 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | In Suggestions, udenbricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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I dont think this will work, it is very easy to make some fake accounts and
buy 10 times and give 10 x feedback.
Maybe it is possible to add a sort of "verified account" status.
Only if an account is verified they can sell.
Or only If they are verified a red flag turns in a green flag. As long as a seller
has a red flag every buyer in that shop gets a popup at checkout with warnings
to be carefull before purchasing.
A group of "certified" volunteers can verify all the adress and account-info
before turning it into a green flag. With every adress or account change a seller
must go through the process of verifying again. (to prefend hackers or accounts
taken over by other persons)
Subscribe me as a volunteer.
regards,
Nico
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The whole point of starting from 10 successful buying transaction is that they
cannot start multiple seller accounts to gain feedback.
Also isn't it better to make a scammer jump through some obstacles before
being able to scam? this suggestion makes the seller do some work to gain access
to selling where NOW he can just scam, if it doesn't work he opens a new
account and starts again- so easy. having to make 10 purchases will make the
person get a paypal account (most scammers don't have PP they ask for wire
transfers)
This idea is good because it is simple to implement- it won't solve the problem
100%- but will over 90%
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I agree with you, your idea is great.
But why not going for 99,8% instead of 90%
I've seen scammers do more for less effort.
Also here on Bricklin; making several accounts, buying from each other for several
weeks and then at a sudden they sell the "If it seems too good to be true, it
probably is" things
My 2 Euro
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 07:51 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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How do you verify their address? They could easily buy a few penny parts and
have them shipped for minimal postage costs to a random address. Do that ten
times. They don't care if they arrive or not.
The first scam they do easily outweighs the costs of the postage to a false address.
Or they will buy pennies worth from stores, say sorry that they placed the order
by mistake and they'll pay for the parts anyway to compensate the seller
(and so the order doesn't actually cancel). That'll be 10 completed sales
for less than 50c.
Even worse, they'll scam sellers as buyers before scamming buyers as sellers.
They'll place 10 orders, get them, do their selling scams, get shut down
and then scam the original sellers by claiming non-receipt.
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 12:24 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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What is stopping them from making a few fake seller accounts and "selling" themselves
some fake stuff and giving themselves feedback for it?
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 12:58 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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What is stopping them from making a few fake seller accounts and "selling" themselves
some fake stuff and giving themselves feedback for it?
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They can’t create those “few fake seller accounts” because these accounts also
would need to buy before starting selling.
If you can’t create one seller account before having bought, you can’t create
10 more.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 15:18 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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What is stopping them from making a few fake seller accounts and "selling" themselves
some fake stuff and giving themselves feedback for it?
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They can’t create those “few fake seller accounts” because these accounts also
would need to buy before starting selling.
If you can’t create one seller account before having bought, you can’t create
10 more.
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Ah, yes. Just so.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | nectara | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 15:27 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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What is stopping them from making a few fake seller accounts and "selling" themselves
some fake stuff and giving themselves feedback for it?
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They can’t create those “few fake seller accounts” because these accounts also
would need to buy before starting selling.
If you can’t create one seller account before having bought, you can’t create
10 more.
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Ah, yes. Just so.
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Just setup a window chat on all new stores so the experienced user can ask or
write their opinion
After you have the window chat is enough to ask for real pictures and everybody
can see the answer
It will stop 100% of the scammers
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| | | | | Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 14:56 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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Putting aside all the posts that say it wont work, I think it is a great idea.
It will not stop 100% of all the scammers but it will stop at least 95% (like
you said). Yes, as one poster said, coming up with an idea that would stop 100%
of the scammers of course would be better but to stop 95% with just one simple
change like this would be great.
Here are just 3 thoughts as to why I think your idea would work great at stopping
95% of the scum scammers:
1, Scammers like to make their money fast and disappear. Needing 10 FB's
would cause them to have to wait until they placed 10 orders, receive invoices
and pay for all 10, and then wait until they receive their needed 10 FB's
from 10 sellers. This would take more time and effort them most scammers would
be willing to spend.
2, Going along with the #1 above, scammers like to set up one fake account take
as many suckers as they can then disappear as that seller and then open up different
fake account, scam some more suckers, etc. They cant do that with out waiting
for those 10 feedbacks for every account they open. Also, for every false account
they open they will need a real address for each fake account or they will not
be getting any of their orders. Some of those orders will be returned which will
also start to raise flags.
3, Scammers DO NOT like to spend their own money, they only want to take ours.
Even if they only place 10 cent orders the postage will still be at least around
lets say $2.50 so times that by 10 equals at least 26.00 bucks.
Jim
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| | | | | | | Author: | Jamesf077 | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 15:52 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| How about giving some power to the community. Three seperate suspect scam reports
from seperate members and the store is automaticaly suspended until admin have
time to check it out. The rule could be a report has to come from established
users with a minimum positive feeback score.
Say, when you have over 100 feedback you are allowed access to the 'scam
report' button. I'm sure a simple programme could be installed to facilitate
this.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 20:28 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Jamesf077 writes:
| | How about giving some power to the community. Three seperate suspect scam reports
from seperate members and the store is automaticaly suspended until admin have
time to check it out. The rule could be a report has to come from established
users with a minimum positive feeback score.
Say, when you have over 100 feedback you are allowed access to the 'scam
report' button. I'm sure a simple programme could be installed to facilitate
this.
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I agree. That would be a good added safety feature.
Jim
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| | | | | Author: | Kinggregus | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 16:08 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | Author: | bb451451 | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 17:29 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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How about limiting all new stores to sell only parts for 30 days. They can list
sets at 31 days of having a store open.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 17:41 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, caseyne writes:
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How about limiting all new stores to sell only parts for 30 days. They can list
sets at 31 days of having a store open.
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So scammers will only have to wait a month doing nothing?
I know they are greedy and impatient but that’s too easily circumvented.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bb451451 | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2017 19:45 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, caseyne writes:
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How about limiting all new stores to sell only parts for 30 days. They can list
sets at 31 days of having a store open.
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So scammers will only have to wait a month doing nothing?
I know they are greedy and impatient but that’s too easily circumvented.
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You can add more to it. Like have inventory of more then 50 lots. The scammer
will not wait 30 days. The whole reason they do it, because its so easy. List
sets thats highly in depend for cheap and then close. Next day start a new store
and do it again. This is probably the easiest to program and get going.
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| In Suggestions, caseyne writes:
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You can add more to it. Like have inventory of more then 50 lots.
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Defining thresholds is hard and by piling conditions you’re making it harder
for genuine occasional stores too (someone selling their few childhood sets or
their children’s).
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will not wait 30 days. The whole reason they do it, because its so easy. List
sets thats highly in depend for cheap and then close. Next day start a new store
and do it again. This is probably the easiest to program and get going.
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That was my point: I’m not sure they won’t have that patience if it’s just waiting
doing nothing. Unless you add conditions… which will make it too complicated
for everybody.
Genuine sellers will go elsewhere too.
(Granted, occasional sellers might be less numerous than scammers….)
Heartbricker’s proposal already bothers me for that same reason: you should be
able to sell without buying first.
All the “forbid to sell this or that before this or that” proposals bother me…
unless there’s also the option of a real vetting process (of which buyers are
informed, else, it’s useless).
We don’t know much about the current vetting process’s efficacity. Mainly because
we don’t know which stores were or not vetted and if it prevented scams. But
all it does is allow other payment methods than Paypal. And that Paypal obligation
is easily bypassed with gullible buyers, so, actually, scammers don’t even need
to be vetted.
There’s another vetting process already in place: feedback. And we already know
it’s not efficient. It’s not sufficient to prevent buyers to get scammed as they
happily enter unbelievable deals with 0 FB sellers.
So, either get buying FB first (BLers’ vetting), or go through a real admin vetting.
No need to add conditions to what can be sold when.
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| | | | | Author: | j7r7o7c7k7 | | Posted: | Feb 24, 2017 23:24 | | Subject: | Re: This will reduce scammers by 95% | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:
| | I believe that if Bricklink will allow new sellers to set up a shop ONLY AFTER
THEY HAVE COMPLETED 10 successful transactions as buyers- the scams by 0 feedback
sellers (that pop everyday) will stop by a high margin.
The beauty of this is that they can't start multiple new seller accounts
to prop up their buying feedbacks too.
I think this will work...
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Yea look at me I have a whole 4 buying feedback, one recent. I had like 73-74
feedback from selling before I ever bought anything lol. Could be a reallllllllllly
long time before I get to 10. Probably not I got about 60+ want lists for sets
that I need to start ordering for. But if not for those, it could be years. lol
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