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| | | Author: | waltzking  | | Posted: | Jan 23, 2017 14:14 | | Subject: | Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 245 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Discarded | |
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| Of late I am regularly getting spammed through the wanted list feature for minifigures
listed either under the wrong listing or as an incomplete "new" figure.
With the current system all figures are under the same either "new" or "used"
condition heading, but unlike sets can be listed from a few parts (everything
missing but the torso and head) or complete per the correct inventory of that
figure. This not only opens sellers to "acceptably" list wrong items, or worse
in a deceptive manner (such as the new Loki sh033a in the old Loki sh033), by
simply adding a comment like "missing cape" or "new style cape".
Clearly these are not what a buyer wants to be notified of through their wanted
list settings. Such incomplete or incorrect items also have a negative effect
toward useful sales info, or even current items for sale info. WHish is what
leads to my suggestion....
Please, can we have the same "Complete" and "Incomplete" sub-conditions for
figures like we have for sets?
This will effectively require sellers to list items accurately. If they are
not the exact item they must be listed as "Incomplete" and can then either be
excluded from search and history, or reported for misuse. Figures are a large
part of the value of a set, so if a set can't be listed without a sub-condition,
it would follow that figures (which to many are the most collectable items LEGO
makes) should have the same requirement.
Thanks for considering.
Jonathan
waltzking
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 23, 2017 14:36 | | Subject: | Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I think it has been asked for before (by both buyers and sellers), more from
a price guide / history point of view, but I can see it will also affect wants
lists too. Especially if people are using cost minimise, there is an incentive
to list parts as incomplete figures.
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| | | | | | | Author: | waltzking | | Posted: | Jan 23, 2017 15:06 | | Subject: | Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | I think it has been asked for before (by both buyers and sellers), more from
a price guide / history point of view, but I can see it will also affect wants
lists too. Especially if people are using cost minimise, there is an incentive
to list parts as incomplete figures.
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Honestly I think all items with an inventory should have the "Complete" "Incomplete"
requirement. It would certainly save a lot of headache and hassle for buyers
and especially in regards to the price guide/history aspect too for both buyers
and seller alike.
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Jan 23, 2017 15:53 | | Subject: | Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| A minifig is not a set.
I prefer a rule that makes clear that any "incomplete" listing is incorrect and
will be reported and removed.
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| | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Jan 23, 2017 16:15 | | Subject: | Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I disagree. There are plenty of instances where someone sold a minifig that
was missing a cape (for example). I've probably bought several figs that
were missing something.
There's a market for these, so why not accommodate it by using complete/incomplete.
| | I prefer a rule that makes clear that any "incomplete" listing is incorrect and
will be reported and removed.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 23, 2017 16:43 | | Subject: | Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | I disagree. There are plenty of instances where someone sold a minifig that
was missing a cape (for example). I've probably bought several figs that
were missing something.
There's a market for these, so why not accommodate it by using complete/incomplete
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I agree. There is a market for incomplete figures where a piece is missing, which
is why such a feature is good for both buyers and sellers.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | mhortar | | Posted: | Jan 23, 2017 17:08 | | Subject: | Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | I disagree. There are plenty of instances where someone sold a minifig that
was missing a cape (for example). I've probably bought several figs that
were missing something.
There's a market for these, so why not accommodate it by using complete/incomplete
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I agree. There is a market for incomplete figures where a piece is missing, which
is why such a feature is good for both buyers and sellers.
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I just wish there was a way to denote instances such as
[M=sw127] 'incomplete, missing jet pack'
is just
[M=sw126]
or
[M=sw109a] 'incomplete, missing pauldron'
is just
[M=sw036b]
Josh
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Jan 23, 2017 23:30 | | Subject: | Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mhortar writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | I disagree. There are plenty of instances where someone sold a minifig that
was missing a cape (for example). I've probably bought several figs that
were missing something.
There's a market for these, so why not accommodate it by using complete/incomplete
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I agree. There is a market for incomplete figures where a piece is missing, which
is why such a feature is good for both buyers and sellers.
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I just wish there was a way to denote instances such as
[M=sw127] 'incomplete, missing jet pack'
is just
[M=sw126]
or
[M=sw109a] 'incomplete, missing pauldron'
is just
[M=sw036b]
Josh
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That should be done with the inventories. (Can the inventory of a minifig contain
a minifig?)
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Marc.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Proprietor | | Posted: | Jan 23, 2017 16:16 | | Subject: | Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| That was the practice a few years ago.
There are strict rules for creating the inventory of a minifigure. My belief
is that to sell the figure, it should include all correct parts; otherwise it's
not THE minifigure but a collection of similar parts. It messes up both sides
of the averages (sold and available).
But there is a contingency here that doesn't agree, often it seems because
historically accurate minifigs aren't a big part of their sales. When I
see a debate here that doesn't impact me much, such as including the historic
suggested retail list price of a set as they do on Brickset, I stay out of it,
even though I don't agree with the majority who don't want that info
easily available on BL.
I believe that sellers who specialize in used minifigs as well as buyers of older
figures detest the games played by sellers who sell parts under minifig listings
or who sell incomplete minifigures under the minifigure listing. If you want
to sell the figure as described, finish it properly, and if you don't want
the hassle, then part it out.
And here's a similar open suggestion from 2010:
http://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=105117&nID=498385
In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:
| | A minifig is not a set.
I prefer a rule that makes clear that any "incomplete" listing is incorrect and
will be reported and removed.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jan 23, 2017 16:50 | | Subject: | Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Proprietor writes:
| | That was the practice a few years ago.
There are strict rules for creating the inventory of a minifigure. My belief
is that to sell the figure, it should include all correct parts; otherwise it's
not THE minifigure but a collection of similar parts. It messes up both sides
of the averages (sold and available).
But there is a contingency here that doesn't agree, often it seems because
historically accurate minifigs aren't a big part of their sales. When I
see a debate here that doesn't impact me much, such as including the historic
suggested retail list price of a set as they do on Brickset, I stay out of it,
even though I don't agree with the majority who don't want that info
easily available on BL.
I believe that sellers who specialize in used minifigs as well as buyers of older
figures detest the games played by sellers who sell parts under minifig listings
or who sell incomplete minifigures under the minifigure listing. If you want
to sell the figure as described, finish it properly, and if you don't want
the hassle, then part it out.
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There are also strict rules for sets. And you could apply the same logic, if
you want to sell the set, complete it and only allow complete sets on BL. Yet
BL recognises there is a market for incomplete sets so allows incomplete sets
to be sold without messing up the price guide. They could do the same for minifigs,
without affecting people that only want to buy or sell complete figures. If anything,
it would be better for them too if incomplete ones could be tagged that way as
BL don't seem to do anything about incomplete figures, so incomplete ones
do mess up the price guide.
They also recognise that some figures can be sold complete / incomplete according
to their rules by having two versions of a minifigs. Such as the ideas Ghostbusters
figures. There should be no need for two entries according to their rules but
there are two entries anyway.
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| | | | | Author: | edk | | Posted: | Jan 23, 2017 16:11 | | Subject: | Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | Of late I am regularly getting spammed through the wanted list feature for minifigures
listed either under the wrong listing or as an incomplete "new" figure.
With the current system all figures are under the same either "new" or "used"
condition heading, but unlike sets can be listed from a few parts (everything
missing but the torso and head) or complete per the correct inventory of that
figure. This not only opens sellers to "acceptably" list wrong items, or worse
in a deceptive manner (such as the new Loki sh033a in the old Loki sh033), by
simply adding a comment like "missing cape" or "new style cape".
Clearly these are not what a buyer wants to be notified of through their wanted
list settings. Such incomplete or incorrect items also have a negative effect
toward useful sales info, or even current items for sale info. WHish is what
leads to my suggestion....
Please, can we have the same "Complete" and "Incomplete" sub-conditions for
figures like we have for sets?
This will effectively require sellers to list items accurately. If they are
not the exact item they must be listed as "Incomplete" and can then either be
excluded from search and history, or reported for misuse. Figures are a large
part of the value of a set, so if a set can't be listed without a sub-condition,
it would follow that figures (which to many are the most collectable items LEGO
makes) should have the same requirement.
Thanks for considering.
Jonathan
waltzking
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From what I understand a mini-fig listing MUST be the complete figure.Anything
less can be reported and removed. If not a complete figure as inventoried it
is parts and should be listed as parts. Anything less than complete can be reported
and removed.
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| | | | | Author: | HarryPotter71 | | Posted: | Jan 23, 2017 18:10 | | Subject: | Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, waltzking writes:
| | Of late I am regularly getting spammed through the wanted list feature for minifigures
listed either under the wrong listing or as an incomplete "new" figure.
With the current system all figures are under the same either "new" or "used"
condition heading, but unlike sets can be listed from a few parts (everything
missing but the torso and head) or complete per the correct inventory of that
figure. This not only opens sellers to "acceptably" list wrong items, or worse
in a deceptive manner (such as the new Loki sh033a in the old Loki sh033), by
simply adding a comment like "missing cape" or "new style cape".
Clearly these are not what a buyer wants to be notified of through their wanted
list settings. Such incomplete or incorrect items also have a negative effect
toward useful sales info, or even current items for sale info. WHish is what
leads to my suggestion....
Please, can we have the same "Complete" and "Incomplete" sub-conditions for
figures like we have for sets?
This will effectively require sellers to list items accurately. If they are
not the exact item they must be listed as "Incomplete" and can then either be
excluded from search and history, or reported for misuse. Figures are a large
part of the value of a set, so if a set can't be listed without a sub-condition,
it would follow that figures (which to many are the most collectable items LEGO
makes) should have the same requirement.
Thanks for considering.
Jonathan
waltzking
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Hi Jonathan, I don't understand why people don't just part the figure
out myself. Listing it without a head, hair or torso? Really? Just part it out
Have a great evening.
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| | | | | | | Author: | mjwest83 | | Posted: | Jan 24, 2017 10:48 | | Subject: | Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, HarryPotter71 writes:
| | Hi Jonathan, I don't understand why people don't just part the figure
out myself. Listing it without a head, hair or torso? Really? Just part it out
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Because, at least in my experience, people buy incomplete minifigures. People
rarely buy minifigure parts.
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