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| | | Author: | JayBeeOnline  | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 18:41 | | Subject: | Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 285 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Discarded | |
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| Dear admins,
I would highly recommend a message to ALL shops here on BrickLink that they should
fill in the values for shipping costs in their shop settings.
Most (All?) shops have a list of shipping costs on their terms / splash page,
but when an order is placed the checkout page shows "TBD" (To Be Determined).
In the "old" BrickLink it was said that BL 2.0 would be able to estimate shipping
costs automatically so that users don't get surprised / annoyed by "additional
costs" and extreme overpriced shipping rates and would have the ability to halt
the shopping procedure BEFORE the final checkout.
But if the shops shop "TBD" at checkout this functionality is useless...
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| | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 18:46 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | Dear admins,
I would highly recommend a message to ALL shops here on BrickLink that they should
fill in the values for shipping costs in their shop settings.
Most (All?) shops have a list of shipping costs on their terms / splash page,
but when an order is placed the checkout page shows "TBD" (To Be Determined).
In the "old" BrickLink it was said that BL 2.0 would be able to estimate shipping
costs automatically so that users don't get surprised / annoyed by "additional
costs" and extreme overpriced shipping rates and would have the ability to halt
the shopping procedure BEFORE the final checkout.
But if the shops shop "TBD" at checkout this functionality is useless...
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This is not possible for a lot of shops until proper dimensions are added to
the catalog.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:40 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | Dear admins,
I would highly recommend a message to ALL shops here on BrickLink that they should
fill in the values for shipping costs in their shop settings.
Most (All?) shops have a list of shipping costs on their terms / splash page,
but when an order is placed the checkout page shows "TBD" (To Be Determined).
In the "old" BrickLink it was said that BL 2.0 would be able to estimate shipping
costs automatically so that users don't get surprised / annoyed by "additional
costs" and extreme overpriced shipping rates and would have the ability to halt
the shopping procedure BEFORE the final checkout.
But if the shops shop "TBD" at checkout this functionality is useless...
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This is not possible for a lot of shops until proper dimensions are added to
the catalog.
Niek.
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BL only has weights and dimensions. The dimensions issue isn't really the
solution to the problem that is presented. The more correct solution is a density
measurement, that gives back the quantity of a particular part that can fit within
a given standard unit volume. Dimensions can be useful tho, particularly with
unusual shaped parts such as this one …
Ray
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| | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 18:49 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | Dear admins,
I would highly recommend a message to ALL shops here on BrickLink that they should
fill in the values for shipping costs in their shop settings.
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It's possible to do this now? Some stores actually show values there before
placing the order?
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Marc.
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Most (All?) shops have a list of shipping costs on their terms / splash page,
but when an order is placed the checkout page shows "TBD" (To Be Determined).
In the "old" BrickLink it was said that BL 2.0 would be able to estimate shipping
costs automatically so that users don't get surprised / annoyed by "additional
costs" and extreme overpriced shipping rates and would have the ability to halt
the shopping procedure BEFORE the final checkout.
But if the shops shop "TBD" at checkout this functionality is useless...
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| | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 18:55 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | Dear admins,
I would highly recommend a message to ALL shops here on BrickLink that they should
fill in the values for shipping costs in their shop settings.
Most (All?) shops have a list of shipping costs on their terms / splash page,
but when an order is placed the checkout page shows "TBD" (To Be Determined).
In the "old" BrickLink it was said that BL 2.0 would be able to estimate shipping
costs automatically so that users don't get surprised / annoyed by "additional
costs" and extreme overpriced shipping rates and would have the ability to halt
the shopping procedure BEFORE the final checkout.
But if the shops shop "TBD" at checkout this functionality is useless...
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Each order is custom picked and packed.
Without proper dimensions most sellers overestimate postage and buyers pay more.
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| | | | | | | Author: | JayBeeOnline | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:00 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | Each order is custom picked and packed.
Without proper dimensions most sellers overestimate postage and buyers pay more.
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Why use proper dimensions?
If it fits in a padded envelope shipping costs are X...
It it fits in a small package shipping costs are Y...
If it fits in a big package shipping costs are Z...
Additional insurance? Recalculate...
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:03 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
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Why use proper dimensions?
If it fits in a padded envelope shipping costs are X...
It it fits in a small package shipping costs are Y...
If it fits in a big package shipping costs are Z...
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How do you if it fits if you don’t have any dimensions?
| | Additional insurance? Recalculate...
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | JayBeeOnline | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:11 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | How do you if it fits if you don’t have any dimensions?
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I don't have a shop, but it's easy.
Small parts like Plates, Tiles or so fit in a padded envelope.
When I am going to send packages myself (like when someone purchased through
e..y) I ALWAYS send things out as insured package because I like to track the
package. So the costs are always the same, only varying by the weight.
Don't get me wrong but I would prefer that shops used standard packaging
prices.
Size 1: Up to X kg= Shipping is X...
Size 2: Up to Y kg= Shipping is Y...
Small orders in padded envelope= Shipping is Z...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:16 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:17 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | How do you if it fits if you don’t have any dimensions?
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I don't have a shop, but it's easy.
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That explains.
| | Small parts like Plates, Tiles or so fit in a padded envelope.
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Not all countries are that easy then German Post.
For instance in the US letters can't be thicker and inflexible.
| | When I am going to send packages myself (like when someone purchased through
e..y) I ALWAYS send things out as insured package because I like to track the
package. So the costs are always the same, only varying by the weight.
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Tracking isn't always cheap or free. It leads to higher postage.
If I let my buyers pay extra for tracking I wouldn't receive any order.
| | Don't get me wrong but I would prefer that shops used standard packaging
prices.
Size 1: Up to X kg= Shipping is X...
Size 2: Up to Y kg= Shipping is Y...
Small orders in padded envelope= Shipping is Z...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | JayBeeOnline | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:24 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | Tracking isn't always cheap or free. It leads to higher postage.
If I let my buyers pay extra for tracking I wouldn't receive any order.
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Surely, but MOST shops here at BL offer insurance. And if I'm not totally
wrong this includes tracking... Exept of "signed letters".
It is also good for you as seller, because a potential buyer will not be able
to file an NSS because you have proof of delivery.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:30 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 281 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | Tracking isn't always cheap or free. It leads to higher postage.
If I let my buyers pay extra for tracking I wouldn't receive any order.
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Surely, but MOST shops here at BL offer insurance. And if I'm not totally
wrong this includes tracking... Exept of "signed letters".
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As many I also offer insurance, but nobody wants to pay for it.
People don't want to pay €8.50 for a signed & insured envelope when a €0.73
stamp is possible too for their €3.00 order within The Netherlands.
| | It is also good for you as seller, because a potential buyer will not be able
to file an NSS because you have proof of delivery.
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A postal receipt is sufficient against a NSS, not a Paypal claim.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:35 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | Tracking isn't always cheap or free. It leads to higher postage.
If I let my buyers pay extra for tracking I wouldn't receive any order.
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Surely, but MOST shops here at BL offer insurance. And if I'm not totally
wrong this includes tracking...
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No.
I offer "insurance" in the sense that I guarantee your order will arrive. But
there is no tracking. I can send you a package for $6.95 USD if you order from
me. But if you want tracking, shipping would be $36.53.
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Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Grego | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:42 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | Tracking isn't always cheap or free. It leads to higher postage.
If I let my buyers pay extra for tracking I wouldn't receive any order.
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Surely, but MOST shops here at BL offer insurance. And if I'm not totally
wrong this includes tracking... Exept of "signed letters".
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Yes you are totally wrong.
Postage is one thing.
Insurance is another thing.
And Tracking is yet another.
Sometimes but not always they are purchased from the Post Office.
Not all countries work the way they do in Germany.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:25 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | How do you if it fits if you don’t have any dimensions?
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I don't have a shop, but it's easy.
Small parts like Plates, Tiles or so fit in a padded envelope. […]
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How do you know how many fit in a padded envelope?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | JayBeeOnline | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:29 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | How do you know how many fit in a padded envelope?
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I would test it... Just fill an envelope to the max. dimensions.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:49 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | How do you know how many fit in a padded envelope?
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I would test it... Just fill an envelope to the max. dimensions.
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So it’s not automatic.
You can’t know if 40 plate 1x1 + 50 plates 1x2 + … + 12 tiles round 2x2… fit
without testing.
And you can’t pretest everything.
The only way to know what combinations work is to use the dimensions, and the
catalogue don’t have them.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:44 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
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I don't have a shop, but it's easy.
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Open a shop, start selling and shipping, and THEN come back to tell us how "easy"
it is.
Thor
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jun 14, 2016 03:08 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | How do you if it fits if you don’t have any dimensions?
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I don't have a shop, but it's easy.
Small parts like Plates, Tiles or so fit in a padded envelope.
When I am going to send packages myself (like when someone purchased through
e..y) I ALWAYS send things out as insured package because I like to track the
package. So the costs are always the same, only varying by the weight.
Don't get me wrong but I would prefer that shops used standard packaging
prices.
Size 1: Up to X kg= Shipping is X...
Size 2: Up to Y kg= Shipping is Y...
Small orders in padded envelope= Shipping is Z...
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How do you tell the difference between a large part and a small part automatically?
For that you need dimensions in the database.
Autocheckout won't be universally accepted until dimensions are present.
Sellers are not the cause of this problem.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | JayBeeOnline | | Posted: | Jun 14, 2016 07:25 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | How do you tell the difference between a large part and a small part automatically?
For that you need dimensions in the database.
Autocheckout won't be universally accepted until dimensions are present.
Sellers are not the cause of this problem.
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We all know, that a "stud" is a given dimension. Just convert it to mm or inches.
Then you have the size.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | therobo | | Posted: | Jun 14, 2016 07:37 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | How do you tell the difference between a large part and a small part automatically?
For that you need dimensions in the database.
Autocheckout won't be universally accepted until dimensions are present.
Sellers are not the cause of this problem.
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We all know, that a "stud" is a given dimension. Just convert it to mm or inches.
Then you have the size.
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Mister All-Knowing, read this from an older discussion:
Mar 20, 2015 08:39
Re: Shipping Cost Suggestion for Sellers
In NEWS, therobo writes:
| | In NEWS, Teup writes:
| | In NEWS, mabccc writes:
| | | | | | | | | | Ok, serious question, can you please tell me the shipping dimensions of 1x
I also would like to know then how much volume 262 pieces would need.
Please try to be as accurate as possible and don't provide a quick and dirty
calculation.
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| | I don't really follow, didn't I just answer that...? 
Apart from the exact figures that is. Well here they come:
14,0mm x 14,0mm x 18,4mm
You've picked the trickiest part from the catalog to measure, but that should
be pretty accurate. Don't see the point of this chore but there you go 
Shipping volume for 262 pieces is just 262 times that volume like I described.
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I assume the reason that part was picked is because it is a relatively concave
part in the sense that many parts can be packed overlapping the cuboid envelope
that would be used in the simple 262x volume of one cuboid.
Whereas the method works well for convex parts such as most regular bricks and
plates.
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Oh I think I get the point, treating them as a fluid might be an advantage here.
Hmm, I'm not convinced though. For one thing, these parts are made of lighter
plastic, so the volume prediction would be low. Also, I think the default assumption
should be that parts do not overlap each other's virtual box. They often
do, but they often don't, as well. And the system should make a conservative
calculation and not be too optimistic on what fits together.
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So by your measurement the volume of 1 part is 3.6cm³.
Using the non-overlap method the volume of 262 parts is 943.2cm³, almost 1 litre!
In terms of shipping boxes, a 25 x 15.1 x 2.5 cm box would be needed.
I just filled these parts loosely in a small box, shaked a bit, no pressure.
Guess what? It filled 9.5 x 4 x 7 cm = 266 cm³.
That's 71.8% less of what a "conservative" method would calculate.
This method would cause inflated shipping if volume is a restriction.
I now took 429
1 part measures 15.8 x 5 mm that's 1.248 cm³ by using the cube model.
429 parts then would need 535.4 cm³
Using the same box as above they need only 9.5 x 4 x 9.5 cm = 361cm³
That's 32.6% less of what a "conservative" method would calculate.
Many common parts are "roundish", a cube model would always cause too much shipping.
Now let's take a "cubish" part, I have 437 of:
1 part measures 7.85 x 7.85 x 11.45 mm that's 0.706 cm³
437 parts then would need 308.5 cm³
Unsing the same box as above they now need 9.5 x 4 x 11 cm = 418cm³
Huh? That's 35.5% more of what a "conservative" method would calculate.
Many common parts are "cubish", a cube model would always cause too less shipping.
These 3 examples show a bandwidth from -71.8% to +35.5% and I'm sure that
there are more extreme examples amongst common parts.
Conclusion: Volume calculation for Lego parts will never work for shipping.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | JayBeeOnline | | Posted: | Jun 14, 2016 08:15 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, therobo writes:
| | In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | How do you tell the difference between a large part and a small part automatically?
For that you need dimensions in the database.
Autocheckout won't be universally accepted until dimensions are present.
Sellers are not the cause of this problem.
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We all know, that a "stud" is a given dimension. Just convert it to mm or inches.
Then you have the size.
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Mister All-Knowing, read this from an older discussion:
Mar 20, 2015 08:39
Re: Shipping Cost Suggestion for Sellers
In NEWS, therobo writes:
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| | In NEWS, mabccc writes:
| | | | | | | | | | Ok, serious question, can you please tell me the shipping dimensions of 1x
I also would like to know then how much volume 262 pieces would need.
Please try to be as accurate as possible and don't provide a quick and dirty
calculation.
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Apart from the exact figures that is. Well here they come:
14,0mm x 14,0mm x 18,4mm
You've picked the trickiest part from the catalog to measure, but that should
be pretty accurate. Don't see the point of this chore but there you go
Shipping volume for 262 pieces is just 262 times that volume like I described.
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I assume the reason that part was picked is because it is a relatively concave
part in the sense that many parts can be packed overlapping the cuboid envelope
that would be used in the simple 262x volume of one cuboid.
Whereas the method works well for convex parts such as most regular bricks and
plates.
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Oh I think I get the point, treating them as a fluid might be an advantage here.
Hmm, I'm not convinced though. For one thing, these parts are made of lighter
plastic, so the volume prediction would be low. Also, I think the default assumption
should be that parts do not overlap each other's virtual box. They often
do, but they often don't, as well. And the system should make a conservative
calculation and not be too optimistic on what fits together.
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So by your measurement the volume of 1 part is 3.6cm³.
Using the non-overlap method the volume of 262 parts is 943.2cm³, almost 1 litre!
In terms of shipping boxes, a 25 x 15.1 x 2.5 cm box would be needed.
I just filled these parts loosely in a small box, shaked a bit, no pressure.
Guess what? It filled 9.5 x 4 x 7 cm = 266 cm³.
That's 71.8% less of what a "conservative" method would calculate.
This method would cause inflated shipping if volume is a restriction.
I now took 429
1 part measures 15.8 x 5 mm that's 1.248 cm³ by using the cube model.
429 parts then would need 535.4 cm³
Using the same box as above they need only 9.5 x 4 x 9.5 cm = 361cm³
That's 32.6% less of what a "conservative" method would calculate.
Many common parts are "roundish", a cube model would always cause too much shipping.
Now let's take a "cubish" part, I have 437 of:
1 part measures 7.85 x 7.85 x 11.45 mm that's 0.706 cm³
437 parts then would need 308.5 cm³
Unsing the same box as above they now need 9.5 x 4 x 11 cm = 418cm³
Huh? That's 35.5% more of what a "conservative" method would calculate.
Many common parts are "cubish", a cube model would always cause too less shipping.
These 3 examples show a bandwidth from -71.8% to +35.5% and I'm sure that
there are more extreme examples amongst common parts.
Conclusion: Volume calculation for Lego parts will never work for shipping.
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Uuuups... Okay... 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Jun 14, 2016 08:28 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, therobo writes:
| | Conclusion: Volume calculation for Lego parts will never work for shipping.
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To do it properly, you need to know two (possibly three) metrics:
1) the quantity, of the item in question, that will fit into a standard unit
volume. the standard unit volume has never been discussed, but I would suggest
something like 10cm cubed.
2) the 'clumpiness' of the item … i.e. how well (or poorly) will multiples
of this item clump together with the same item (or even different items).
3) something that flags parts that have an unusual dimensional aspect (e.g. the
rip cords for chima, the metal flexible axles from ZNAP, etc). this would signal
that these parts do not 'clump' at all well.
having said all of the above, odd things works out unexpectedly well sometimes.
last night I packed an order that had 1 set and 1 part. the set was a 6180-1
and the part was a small soccer ball. the standard size box I use to pack sets
of that dimension had exactly enough empty space on one side to hold the part.
unplanned, but it worked out.
Ray
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
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We all know, that a "stud" is a given dimension. Just convert it to mm or inches.
Then you have the size.
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etc.
have all “2 x 4 x 1 in stud” as a dimension.
They are not the same size.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jun 14, 2016 10:45 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
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| | How do you tell the difference between a large part and a small part automatically?
For that you need dimensions in the database.
Autocheckout won't be universally accepted until dimensions are present.
Sellers are not the cause of this problem.
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We all know, that a "stud" is a given dimension. Just convert it to mm or inches.
Then you have the size.
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All these bricks measure 2x4x1 studs.
How much is one stud?
The smallest of these bricks is 10x20x5 mm, the largest 190x95x70 mm.
The size in studs is a convenient reference for building, but is not a suitable
dimension for shipping.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb200521 | | Posted: | Jun 14, 2016 16:41 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | How do you tell the difference between a large part and a small part automatically?
For that you need dimensions in the database.
Autocheckout won't be universally accepted until dimensions are present.
Sellers are not the cause of this problem.
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We all know, that a "stud" is a given dimension. Just convert it to mm or inches.
Then you have the size.
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I used to say that any part which are 3 studs (meaning system reference) or
least on 1 side can fit the 3 cm thickness for a shipment with a letter rate.
And recently I had to ship 2
With this "rule" it would have to be ship as a parcel. But you can pack it a
way that the diagonal of the size of the part stay under 3cm thickness... With
an automated system the buyer would have had to pay 13€ in shipping when in fact
I invoiced him 5€ of shipping.
So even not necessary to get into combination of parts to see the limit of any
standardised estimation method...
And I had buyer choosing a shipment in parcel rate when a letter rate was enough
and cheaper, as well as the opposite (buyer not able to estimate the volume of
their purchase... not pointing the finger, I had to pick the order to know, except
for part more than 3 stud on each size ). Though even with the actual partial
manual method of checkout, I still better like the "TBD" method...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Jan_K | | Posted: | Jun 14, 2016 10:22 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | How do you if it fits if you don’t have any dimensions?
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I don't have a shop, but it's easy.
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You seem to believe that despite the thousands of experienced sellers dealing
with BrickLink for years (totalling in a gazillion hours of selling experience),
you are the first one with good ideas - and all others are obviously stupid.
Did you ever consider this might come across a little bit... snotty?
Jan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | JayBeeOnline | | Posted: | Jun 14, 2016 11:07 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Jan_K writes:
| | In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | How do you if it fits if you don’t have any dimensions?
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I don't have a shop, but it's easy.
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You seem to believe that despite the thousands of experienced sellers dealing
with BrickLink for years (totalling in a gazillion hours of selling experience),
you are the first one with good ideas - and all others are obviously stupid.
Did you ever consider this might come across a little bit... snotty?
Jan
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When I would have a shop I would do it as easy as possible. Standard packaging
sizes, if you buy 5 or 50 of an item.
If the customer is willing to pay and orders, it's fine. If not, so be it...
I can hardly understand why you rely on hundreds of different packaging sizes.
For me it is EOD...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Jan_K | | Posted: | Jun 14, 2016 13:36 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, Jan_K writes:
| | In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
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with BrickLink for years (totalling in a gazillion hours of selling experience),
you are the first one with good ideas - and all others are obviously stupid.
Did you ever consider this might come across a little bit... snotty?
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| | When I would have a shop I would do it as easy as possible.
Standard packaging sizes, if you buy 5 or 50 of an item.
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Most sellers believe that good customer service is to offer appropiate packaging,
not waste of postage due to overly standardized packing/shipping categories.
For VERY large businesses, I see good reasons to change this concept a little
- but it will turn customers away - for sure.
| | If the customer is willing to pay and orders, it's fine. If not, so be it...
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It works like that, sure. On the other hand, if you offer good service and want
to take advantage in the strong selling competition, you will likely change your
attitude.
And you might find out one day that buyers accept your terms, order and pay -
and are still unhappy when they are confronted with waste of their money upon
order receipt.
| | I can hardly understand why you rely on hundreds of different packaging sizes.
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Where on earth did you take that from? NOBODY made a step in this direction,
the topic started with shipping rates - which differ from country to country,
based on weight, dimensions and other attributes like shape and stiffness. All
these details are not supported properly by the catalog data and it's doubtful
they ever will.
Seeing an exaggeration like this from you as an oh-so-wise-and-experienced buyer
looks very... funny at least.
For everybody's relief, I guess.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:04 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | Each order is custom picked and packed.
Without proper dimensions most sellers overestimate postage and buyers pay more.
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Why use proper dimensions?
If it fits in a padded envelope shipping costs are X...
It it fits in a small package shipping costs are Y...
If it fits in a big package shipping costs are Z...
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This might work for Germany, but not for several other countries and postal systems.
"If it fits" - how does the system determine that? Parts don't have proper
dimensions...
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:10 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | Each order is custom picked and packed.
Without proper dimensions most sellers overestimate postage and buyers pay more.
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Why use proper dimensions?
If it fits in a padded envelope shipping costs are X...
It it fits in a small package shipping costs are Y...
If it fits in a big package shipping costs are Z...
Additional insurance? Recalculate...
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The dimensions aren't properly in the Catalog.
While picking and packing the order sellers can see if fits in an envelope.
The shopping cart or system doesn't know how it will be packed.
It seems you prefer to overpay or see a flat rate instead of paying actual postage.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Black_Armor | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:36 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | Each order is custom picked and packed.
Without proper dimensions most sellers overestimate postage and buyers pay more.
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Why use proper dimensions?
If it fits in a padded envelope shipping costs are X...
It it fits in a small package shipping costs are Y...
If it fits in a big package shipping costs are Z...
Additional insurance? Recalculate...
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Need more data than that.
Parts, sets, minifigs, etc dimensions.
Packing material dimensions.
Algorithm to compute best combination including extra rules (eg. US shipping
requirements, etc)
Its a herculean task!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 22:46 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | Each order is custom picked and packed.
Without proper dimensions most sellers overestimate postage and buyers pay more.
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Why use proper dimensions?
If it fits in a padded envelope shipping costs are X...
It it fits in a small package shipping costs are Y...
If it fits in a big package shipping costs are Z...
Additional insurance? Recalculate...
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Welcome to Canada. If I did as you suggest, my buyers would pay massively more
for postage.
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| | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 19:31 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
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I would highly recommend a message to ALL shops here on BrickLink that they should
fill in the values for shipping costs in their shop settings.
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So, reading the replies in the this thread, I understand better.
You want instant checkout. A LOT of us do. But this is not something that the
sellers are preventing. It's something that simply doesn't exist on BrickLink.
So, having BL send a message out to all the shops would accomplish nothing.
We need for BL to simply add it in.
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Marc.
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| | | | | | | Author: | BigBBricks | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 20:24 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | Dear admins,
I would highly recommend a message to ALL shops here on BrickLink that they should
fill in the values for shipping costs in their shop settings.
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So, reading the replies in the this thread, I understand better.
You want instant checkout. A LOT of us do. But this is not something that the
sellers are preventing. It's something that simply doesn't exist on BrickLink.
So, having BL send a message out to all the shops would accomplish nothing.
We need for BL to simply add it in.
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Marc.
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I'm sure it will be part of the next rollout, we'll get automated checkouts
but they will remove the catalog because no one uses it... (/sarcasm)
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| | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Jun 13, 2016 20:30 | | Subject: | Re: Estimated shipping costs = "TBD"... | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| There has not yet been a site upgrade for sellers with such features. I believe
BL recently stated that the next upgrade will be centered around selling.
In Suggestions, JayBeeOnline writes:
| | Dear admins,
I would highly recommend a message to ALL shops here on BrickLink that they should
fill in the values for shipping costs in their shop settings.
Most (All?) shops have a list of shipping costs on their terms / splash page,
but when an order is placed the checkout page shows "TBD" (To Be Determined).
In the "old" BrickLink it was said that BL 2.0 would be able to estimate shipping
costs automatically so that users don't get surprised / annoyed by "additional
costs" and extreme overpriced shipping rates and would have the ability to halt
the shopping procedure BEFORE the final checkout.
But if the shops shop "TBD" at checkout this functionality is useless...
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