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| | | Author: | LordSkylark  | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 15:44 | | Subject: | Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 350 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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| | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 15:45 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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More specifically: Please add this to the list of reasons when cancelling order
here:
http://www.bricklink.com/retractOrder.asp
Andy
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| | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 15:46 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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ok this I can sign up for.
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| | | | | Author: | tonnic | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 15:50 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Voted yes but there should be a sellers protection for non positive feedback
in this case.
In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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| | | | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 15:52 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tonnic writes:
| | Voted yes but there should be a sellers protection for non positive feedback
in this case.
In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I agree.
And usually this can be proven through system messaging.
Andy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Bricklord | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 17:14 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I emphatically support this as well. Admin's refusal to read messages or
follow the history of an order, when it is logged in BL records, and pigheaded
adherance to the 'NPB' only postion to remvoe unwarranted and malicious
feedback will obviouly mean this ratioanly and just suggestion will be ignored,
however.
In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | In Suggestions, tonnic writes:
| | Voted yes but there should be a sellers protection for non positive feedback
in this case.
In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I agree.
And usually this can be proven through system messaging.
Andy
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| | | | | Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 15:54 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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You already can cancel for this reason if you make it part of your shop terms.
Violating shop terms is a valid reason for a seller to cancel.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 18:01 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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You already can cancel for this reason if you make it part of your shop terms.
Violating shop terms is a valid reason for a seller to cancel.
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Hmm, good point. Voted no 
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| | | | | | | Author: | bobnikolov | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 10:20 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, 62Bricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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You already can cancel for this reason if you make it part of your shop terms.
Violating shop terms is a valid reason for a seller to cancel.
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I have to agree. If you state this in store terms, you will have valid reason
to cancel. I voted with no
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| | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 15:59 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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That is an excellent idea and a good way to handle that problem. BL has never
done a thing about requests involving customs fraud, other than a short post
saying we do not like that. But of course, no action. They do not want to know
and they want it to be handled by the seller who already has enough to do. BL
at times is impotent.
John P
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 16:40 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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So if a buyer wants to cancel an order without a valid reason, they just need
to say fill in the customs form for $5 please.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 18:05 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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So if a buyer wants to cancel an order without a valid reason, they just need
to say fill in the customs form for $5 please.
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Well, they can, but that does not improve their reason's validity. The reasons
that are already in there don't claim to be valid rights to cancel an order
either, such as buyer demanded a lower price, didn't read terms, didn't
have funds, etc. Whether a buyer frustrates the order process by demanding an
inaccurate custom's form or by saying they don't have the funds doesn't
really make a difference.
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| | | | | Author: | Bricklord | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 17:11 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Fully agreed with and supported.
In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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| | | | | Author: | Pher | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 17:11 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | Highly agree |
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 17:58 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
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| | | | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 19:36 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order.
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I disagree. Asking someone to commit a crime is more than enough IMO. It puts
needless pressure and concern on a seller, increases the risk of PayPal claims
and other problems, and casts the ethics and trustworthiness of the buyer into
doubt. And how exactly do you differentiate between "asking" and "demanding"?
They are on the same spectrum and only differ by very subjective degrees.
Thor
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | goshe7 | | Posted: | May 22, 2015 22:18 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order.
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I disagree. Asking someone to commit a crime is more than enough IMO. It puts
needless pressure and concern on a seller, increases the risk of PayPal claims
and other problems, and casts the ethics and trustworthiness of the buyer into
doubt. And how exactly do you differentiate between "asking" and "demanding"?
They are on the same spectrum and only differ by very subjective degrees.
Thor
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Right on. There are some things that you can ask for, like a discount or special
packaging considerations. I don't see any situation in which it be acceptable
to ask someone to commit a crime.
Matt
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 04:48 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, goshe7 writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order.
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I disagree. Asking someone to commit a crime is more than enough IMO. It puts
needless pressure and concern on a seller, increases the risk of PayPal claims
and other problems, and casts the ethics and trustworthiness of the buyer into
doubt. And how exactly do you differentiate between "asking" and "demanding"?
They are on the same spectrum and only differ by very subjective degrees.
Thor
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Right on. There are some things that you can ask for, like a discount or special
packaging considerations. I don't see any situation in which it be acceptable
to ask someone to commit a crime.
Matt
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Wow, really?
I know that to Americans, this is an extremely serious thing. There are tons
of posts around here by American sellers going nuts over it, but please please
be tolerant of other cultures and opinions as well! If I go to any post office
here, any of the people that help me there will tell me to write a low value
on it. If I would take your attitude, I should yell "how dare you!" and run away.
Let's not start a witch hunt, people. If someone would ask a lower price
on the items, that would seriously offend me, much more than asking to write
down a lower value on the customs form (e.g. instead of shipping it in two batches
for purely administrative reasons) but I am aware this is a cultural thing as
well. So in that case, I will not go and cancel the order or report anything.
I will simply refuse.
Come on American sellers, if you're offended, simply explain, communicate
with your buyers, let's focus on our task, selling good Lego, instead of
being moralists slapping customers with law books!
ALL reasons to cancel orders have to do with an agreement being out of reach.
They should NEVER be about a value judgement on the buyer's opinion, culture,
preference, religion, political preference, etc. Keep it professional!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | kzinti | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 05:53 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Is a law any less a law because you don't agree with it? I concur that a
witch hunt is not called for, however, could we simply agree that it is illegal
and that Buyers should stop asking?
US Code Title 13 Chapter 9 Section 305: Penalties for unlawful export information
activities:
(a) CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—
(1) FAILURE TO FILE; SUBMISSION OF FALSE OR
MISLEADING INFORMATION.—Any person who
knowingly fails to file or knowingly submits
false or misleading export information
through the Shippers Export Declaration
(SED) (or any successor document) or the
Automated Export System (AES) shall be subject
to a fine not to exceed $10,000 per violation
or imprisonment for not more than 5
years, or both
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010-title13/pdf/USCODE-2010-title13-chap9.pdf
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 06:50 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, kzinti writes:
| | Is a law any less a law because you don't agree with it? I concur that a
witch hunt is not called for, however, could we simply agree that it is illegal
and that Buyers should stop asking?
US Code Title 13 Chapter 9 Section 305: Penalties for unlawful export information
activities:
(a) CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—
(1) FAILURE TO FILE; SUBMISSION OF FALSE OR
MISLEADING INFORMATION.—Any person who
knowingly fails to file or knowingly submits
false or misleading export information
through the Shippers Export Declaration
(SED) (or any successor document) or the
Automated Export System (AES) shall be subject
to a fine not to exceed $10,000 per violation
or imprisonment for not more than 5
years, or both
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010-title13/pdf/USCODE-2010-title13-chap9.pdf
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True alright. But still, someone simply.. disagree Law itself doesn't
impress me (e.g. during WW2 hiding people was
We can initate heated debates over following law vs. acting on personal persuasion,
but at the end of the day, there'll always be those two kinds of people.
The one who says 'I'll have to ship this in two batches to keep it below
the critical value', and the other who says 'nobody would benefit from
that' might as well ship it at once and write down half the value on it.
It shouldn't really matter what someone's position on law is. I've
noticed that to some people here that's hard to swallow an law is almost
holy, but.. really. I'm not saying you have to condone the other, but a simple
refusal should suffice. Nobody should of course do anything against their principles.
I always get a bit uneasy when these kinds of topics arise, because I feel people
get judged overly harsh. Many people just got out of their dark age, are young,
and are not aware that what they're asking is considered by some people to
be very malicious. Or people live in a country where parcels get stolen if they're
valuable, and they really want to have Lego as a hobby. It's easy for us
to judge people in that situation. And there could be other reasons.
From my point of view, for example, fishing is barbarous and immoral, but I'm
still able to be on perfectly fine civil terms with Americans who like to go
fishing with their son and I appreciate that's considered a nice and bonding
family activity. I wouldn't want "buyer participates in fishing" as a reason
to cancel an order either  Let's just disagree with each other whenever
we feel like it and focus on getting the Lego from the one end to the other.
Once a point is reached where a mutual deal cannot be reached and someone is
getting forced to break their own principles, it's time to resort to cancellation.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 10:51 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, kzinti writes:
| | Is a law any less a law because you don't agree with it? I concur that a
witch hunt is not called for, however, could we simply agree that it is illegal
and that Buyers should stop asking?
US Code Title 13 Chapter 9 Section 305: Penalties for unlawful export information
activities:
(a) CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—
(1) FAILURE TO FILE; SUBMISSION OF FALSE OR
MISLEADING INFORMATION.—Any person who
knowingly fails to file or knowingly submits
false or misleading export information
through the Shippers Export Declaration
(SED) (or any successor document) or the
Automated Export System (AES) shall be subject
to a fine not to exceed $10,000 per violation
or imprisonment for not more than 5
years, or both
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010-title13/pdf/USCODE-2010-title13-chap9.pdf
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True alright. But still, someone simply.. disagree Law itself doesn't
impress me (e.g. during WW2 hiding people was
We can initate heated debates over following law vs. acting on personal persuasion,
but at the end of the day, there'll always be those two kinds of people.
The one who says 'I'll have to ship this in two batches to keep it below
the critical value', and the other who says 'nobody would benefit from
that' might as well ship it at once and write down half the value on it.
It shouldn't really matter what someone's position on law is. I've
noticed that to some people here that's hard to swallow an law is almost
holy, but.. really. I'm not saying you have to condone the other, but a simple
refusal should suffice. Nobody should of course do anything against their principles.
I always get a bit uneasy when these kinds of topics arise, because I feel people
get judged overly harsh. Many people just got out of their dark age, are young,
and are not aware that what they're asking is considered by some people to
be very malicious. Or people live in a country where parcels get stolen if they're
valuable, and they really want to have Lego as a hobby. It's easy for us
to judge people in that situation. And there could be other reasons.
From my point of view, for example, fishing is barbarous and immoral, but I'm
still able to be on perfectly fine civil terms with Americans who like to go
fishing with their son and I appreciate that's considered a nice and bonding
family activity. I wouldn't want "buyer participates in fishing" as a reason
to cancel an order either Let's just disagree with each other whenever
we feel like it and focus on getting the Lego from the one end to the other.
Once a point is reached where a mutual deal cannot be reached and someone is
getting forced to break their own principles, it's time to resort to cancellation.
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sure, lie on the customs form its no risk to the buyer, all the risk is on the
seller, how would you feel if you receiving the package took on all the risk?
but until then I'm not breaking the law and taking such a huge risk because
a buyer wants to save a few bucks.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | blackballoon | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 15:13 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, kzinti writes:
| | Is a law any less a law because you don't agree with it? I concur that a
witch hunt is not called for, however, could we simply agree that it is illegal
and that Buyers should stop asking?
US Code Title 13 Chapter 9 Section 305: Penalties for unlawful export information
activities:
(a) CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—
(1) FAILURE TO FILE; SUBMISSION OF FALSE OR
MISLEADING INFORMATION.—Any person who
knowingly fails to file or knowingly submits
false or misleading export information
through the Shippers Export Declaration
(SED) (or any successor document) or the
Automated Export System (AES) shall be subject
to a fine not to exceed $10,000 per violation
or imprisonment for not more than 5
years, or both
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010-title13/pdf/USCODE-2010-title13-chap9.pdf
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True alright. But still, someone simply.. disagree Law itself doesn't
impress me (e.g. during WW2 hiding people was
We can initate heated debates over following law vs. acting on personal persuasion,
but at the end of the day, there'll always be those two kinds of people.
The one who says 'I'll have to ship this in two batches to keep it below
the critical value', and the other who says 'nobody would benefit from
that' might as well ship it at once and write down half the value on it.
It shouldn't really matter what someone's position on law is. I've
noticed that to some people here that's hard to swallow an law is almost
holy, but.. really. I'm not saying you have to condone the other, but a simple
refusal should suffice. Nobody should of course do anything against their principles.
I always get a bit uneasy when these kinds of topics arise, because I feel people
get judged overly harsh. Many people just got out of their dark age, are young,
and are not aware that what they're asking is considered by some people to
be very malicious. Or people live in a country where parcels get stolen if they're
valuable, and they really want to have Lego as a hobby. It's easy for us
to judge people in that situation. And there could be other reasons.
From my point of view, for example, fishing is barbarous and immoral, but I'm
still able to be on perfectly fine civil terms with Americans who like to go
fishing with their son and I appreciate that's considered a nice and bonding
family activity. I wouldn't want "buyer participates in fishing" as a reason
to cancel an order either Let's just disagree with each other whenever
we feel like it and focus on getting the Lego from the one end to the other.
Once a point is reached where a mutual deal cannot be reached and someone is
getting forced to break their own principles, it's time to resort to cancellation.
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sure, lie on the customs form its no risk to the buyer, all the risk is on the
seller, how would you feel if you receiving the package took on all the risk?
but until then I'm not breaking the law and taking such a huge risk because
a buyer wants to save a few bucks.
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Actually the reality is the exact opposite. Putting aside all the legalese and
"technical" legal ramifications, this is the risk in reality:
1) Buyer has to pay the full customs duties owed
2) Buyer risks being known by local postal workers to receive many underdeclared
packages, so they may scrutinize his items more closely
3) The package could potentially be returned, in which case the buyer may have
to pay to have it shipped again.
Since no one is going to arrest or report or bring any legal action whatsoever
over a $100 package (it just does not happen in the real world. Regulators are
concerned about nabbing the $100 million corporate export cheaters instead),
the seller faces no practical risk whatsoever.
So really, the buyer bears all the risk. Seller faces no practical risk. You
might say "But...but... but... legally...technically... its still.... but but
but!"
To which i say, nice tinfoil hat. Have fun standing in your own way of making
a profit.
INTERNATIONAL BUYERS ALWAYS WELCOME IN MY STORE. CONTACT ME FOR SPECIAL SHIPPING
QUOTES
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 19:48 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, kzinti writes:
| | Is a law any less a law because you don't agree with it? I concur that a
witch hunt is not called for, however, could we simply agree that it is illegal
and that Buyers should stop asking?
US Code Title 13 Chapter 9 Section 305: Penalties for unlawful export information
activities:
(a) CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—
(1) FAILURE TO FILE; SUBMISSION OF FALSE OR
MISLEADING INFORMATION.—Any person who
knowingly fails to file or knowingly submits
false or misleading export information
through the Shippers Export Declaration
(SED) (or any successor document) or the
Automated Export System (AES) shall be subject
to a fine not to exceed $10,000 per violation
or imprisonment for not more than 5
years, or both
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010-title13/pdf/USCODE-2010-title13-chap9.pdf
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True alright. But still, someone simply.. disagree Law itself doesn't
impress me (e.g. during WW2 hiding people was
We can initate heated debates over following law vs. acting on personal persuasion,
but at the end of the day, there'll always be those two kinds of people.
The one who says 'I'll have to ship this in two batches to keep it below
the critical value', and the other who says 'nobody would benefit from
that' might as well ship it at once and write down half the value on it.
It shouldn't really matter what someone's position on law is. I've
noticed that to some people here that's hard to swallow an law is almost
holy, but.. really. I'm not saying you have to condone the other, but a simple
refusal should suffice. Nobody should of course do anything against their principles.
I always get a bit uneasy when these kinds of topics arise, because I feel people
get judged overly harsh. Many people just got out of their dark age, are young,
and are not aware that what they're asking is considered by some people to
be very malicious. Or people live in a country where parcels get stolen if they're
valuable, and they really want to have Lego as a hobby. It's easy for us
to judge people in that situation. And there could be other reasons.
From my point of view, for example, fishing is barbarous and immoral, but I'm
still able to be on perfectly fine civil terms with Americans who like to go
fishing with their son and I appreciate that's considered a nice and bonding
family activity. I wouldn't want "buyer participates in fishing" as a reason
to cancel an order either Let's just disagree with each other whenever
we feel like it and focus on getting the Lego from the one end to the other.
Once a point is reached where a mutual deal cannot be reached and someone is
getting forced to break their own principles, it's time to resort to cancellation.
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sure, lie on the customs form its no risk to the buyer, all the risk is on the
seller, how would you feel if you receiving the package took on all the risk?
but until then I'm not breaking the law and taking such a huge risk because
a buyer wants to save a few bucks.
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Actually the reality is the exact opposite. Putting aside all the legalese and
"technical" legal ramifications, this is the risk in reality:
1) Buyer has to pay the full customs duties owed
2) Buyer risks being known by local postal workers to receive many underdeclared
packages, so they may scrutinize his items more closely
3) The package could potentially be returned, in which case the buyer may have
to pay to have it shipped again.
Since no one is going to arrest or report or bring any legal action whatsoever
over a $100 package (it just does not happen in the real world. Regulators are
concerned about nabbing the $100 million corporate export cheaters instead),
the seller faces no practical risk whatsoever.
So really, the buyer bears all the risk. Seller faces no practical risk. You
might say "But...but... but... legally...technically... its still.... but but
but!"
To which i say, nice tinfoil hat. Have fun standing in your own way of making
a profit.
INTERNATIONAL BUYERS ALWAYS WELCOME IN MY STORE. CONTACT ME FOR SPECIAL SHIPPING
QUOTES
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i'm not gonna bother with you, you will ignore the facts and when you finally
get popped you can cry its the buyers fault all you want, but your the one who
will suffer, since the buyer will deny anything about the reduced amount while
you the seller is the one who committed the crime, its a sorry state of affairs
how our education system has sunk so low that the results are a joke. good luck
and welcome to my ignore list.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | blackballoon | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 15:26 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, kzinti writes:
| | Is a law any less a law because you don't agree with it? I concur that a
witch hunt is not called for, however, could we simply agree that it is illegal
and that Buyers should stop asking?
US Code Title 13 Chapter 9 Section 305: Penalties for unlawful export information
activities:
(a) CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—
(1) FAILURE TO FILE; SUBMISSION OF FALSE OR
MISLEADING INFORMATION.—Any person who
knowingly fails to file or knowingly submits
false or misleading export information
through the Shippers Export Declaration
(SED) (or any successor document) or the
Automated Export System (AES) shall be subject
to a fine not to exceed $10,000 per violation
or imprisonment for not more than 5
years, or both
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2010-title13/pdf/USCODE-2010-title13-chap9.pdf
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Completely irrelevant for nearly all bricklink transactions. Notice they refer
to the SED (Shippers Export Declaration). This is for commercial shipments over
$2,500, and much, much higher value than that usually. An "export" here is referring
to the kind of exports that typically require formal Port entry, for example
giant crates of iPhomes coming in from China. Check out the SED document if
you do not believe me. Do you fill that document out evetything you ship a Ninjago
figure to the Netherlands? Didn't think so.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 08:00 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, goshe7 writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order.
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I disagree. Asking someone to commit a crime is more than enough IMO. It puts
needless pressure and concern on a seller, increases the risk of PayPal claims
and other problems, and casts the ethics and trustworthiness of the buyer into
doubt. And how exactly do you differentiate between "asking" and "demanding"?
They are on the same spectrum and only differ by very subjective degrees.
Thor
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Right on. There are some things that you can ask for, like a discount or special
packaging considerations. I don't see any situation in which it be acceptable
to ask someone to commit a crime.
Matt
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Wow, really?
I know that to Americans, this is an extremely serious thing. There are tons
of posts around here by American sellers going nuts over it, but please please
be tolerant of other cultures and opinions as well! If I go to any post office
here, any of the people that help me there will tell me to write a low value
on it. If I would take your attitude, I should yell "how dare you!" and run away.
Let's not start a witch hunt, people. If someone would ask a lower price
on the items, that would seriously offend me, much more than asking to write
down a lower value on the customs form (e.g. instead of shipping it in two batches
for purely administrative reasons) but I am aware this is a cultural thing as
well. So in that case, I will not go and cancel the order or report anything.
I will simply refuse.
Come on American sellers, if you're offended, simply explain, communicate
with your buyers, let's focus on our task, selling good Lego, instead of
being moralists slapping customers with law books!
ALL reasons to cancel orders have to do with an agreement being out of reach.
They should NEVER be about a value judgement on the buyer's opinion, culture,
preference, religion, political preference, etc. Keep it professional!
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This is not about intolerance or failing to understand other cultures. It is
about being able to sell without being asked to break the law or to suffer possible
harm because you insist on acting lawfully. Just because your own postal employees
sometimes tell you to lie on the customs forms does not make it legal to do so.
Even in your country, customs fraud is a crime. Don't believe me? Ask your
customs agency if it would be OK for me to underdeclare one of your orders and
see what they say.
I don't think it is extreme or intolerant to comply with the law. I think
it is expected.
In my line of work I sometimes have to negotiate with people and companies in
other countries. Countries where it is not only common but expected to offer
illegal bribes and kickbacks to make deals. However, I am forbidden by law to
do so. By the laws of my own country and the laws of the country where the deal
is trying to be made. Fortunately, the expectation that bribes and kickbacks
are a necessary part of doing business in some countries is decreasing. It is
no longer as bad as it once was. Mainly because more and more people with integrity
and ethics stood up and said "No, I won't do that, so don't even ask."
I have watched attitudes towards customs fraud slowly evolve over the years.
And just like the attitudes towards bribery and kickbacks when trying to do business
in certain countries, I have seen those attitudes change. The frequency and acceptance
of such fraud has steadily decreased. Sellers who used to think it was harmless
and routine have turned around and realized that it is neither. And many buyers
who used to ask are not doing so any more. Just like sellers, more and more buyers
understand that it is not even acceptable to ask for such fraud. There is still
a ways to go to stop this sort of customs fraud, and I hope this trend continues.
But it won't improve as long as there are still many who believe there is
no harm in asking.
Thor
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 08:08 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, goshe7 writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order.
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I disagree. Asking someone to commit a crime is more than enough IMO. It puts
needless pressure and concern on a seller, increases the risk of PayPal claims
and other problems, and casts the ethics and trustworthiness of the buyer into
doubt. And how exactly do you differentiate between "asking" and "demanding"?
They are on the same spectrum and only differ by very subjective degrees.
Thor
|
Right on. There are some things that you can ask for, like a discount or special
packaging considerations. I don't see any situation in which it be acceptable
to ask someone to commit a crime.
Matt
|
Wow, really?
I know that to Americans, this is an extremely serious thing. There are tons
of posts around here by American sellers going nuts over it, but please please
be tolerant of other cultures and opinions as well! If I go to any post office
here, any of the people that help me there will tell me to write a low value
on it. If I would take your attitude, I should yell "how dare you!" and run away.
Let's not start a witch hunt, people. If someone would ask a lower price
on the items, that would seriously offend me, much more than asking to write
down a lower value on the customs form (e.g. instead of shipping it in two batches
for purely administrative reasons) but I am aware this is a cultural thing as
well. So in that case, I will not go and cancel the order or report anything.
I will simply refuse.
Come on American sellers, if you're offended, simply explain, communicate
with your buyers, let's focus on our task, selling good Lego, instead of
being moralists slapping customers with law books!
ALL reasons to cancel orders have to do with an agreement being out of reach.
They should NEVER be about a value judgement on the buyer's opinion, culture,
preference, religion, political preference, etc. Keep it professional!
|
This is not about intolerance or failing to understand other cultures. It is
about being able to sell without being asked to break the law or to suffer possible
harm because you insist on acting lawfully. Just because your own postal employees
sometimes tell you to lie on the customs forms does not make it legal to do so.
Even in your country, customs fraud is a crime. Don't believe me? Ask your
customs agency if it would be OK for me to underdeclare one of your orders and
see what they say.
I don't think it is extreme or intolerant to comply with the law. I think
it is expected.
In my line of work I sometimes have to negotiate with people and companies in
other countries. Countries where it is not only common but expected to offer
illegal bribes and kickbacks to make deals. However, I am forbidden by law to
do so. By the laws of my own country and the laws of the country where the deal
is trying to be made. Fortunately, the expectation that bribes and kickbacks
are a necessary part of doing business in some countries is decreasing. It is
no longer as bad as it once was. Mainly because more and more people with integrity
and ethics stood up and said "No, I won't do that, so don't even ask."
I have watched attitudes towards customs fraud slowly evolve over the years.
And just like the attitudes towards bribery and kickbacks when trying to do business
in certain countries, I have seen those attitudes change. The frequency and acceptance
of such fraud has steadily decreased. Sellers who used to think it was harmless
and routine have turned around and realized that it is neither. And many buyers
who used to ask are not doing so any more. Just like sellers, more and more buyers
understand that it is not even acceptable to ask for such fraud. There is still
a ways to go to stop this sort of customs fraud, and I hope this trend continues.
But it won't improve as long as there are still many who believe there is
no harm in asking.
Thor
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So let me ask you this question:
Were there any people you encountered in your work that participated in bribery?
Did you refuse to work with them?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 08:34 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, goshe7 writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order.
|
I disagree. Asking someone to commit a crime is more than enough IMO. It puts
needless pressure and concern on a seller, increases the risk of PayPal claims
and other problems, and casts the ethics and trustworthiness of the buyer into
doubt. And how exactly do you differentiate between "asking" and "demanding"?
They are on the same spectrum and only differ by very subjective degrees.
Thor
|
Right on. There are some things that you can ask for, like a discount or special
packaging considerations. I don't see any situation in which it be acceptable
to ask someone to commit a crime.
Matt
|
Wow, really?
I know that to Americans, this is an extremely serious thing. There are tons
of posts around here by American sellers going nuts over it, but please please
be tolerant of other cultures and opinions as well! If I go to any post office
here, any of the people that help me there will tell me to write a low value
on it. If I would take your attitude, I should yell "how dare you!" and run away.
Let's not start a witch hunt, people. If someone would ask a lower price
on the items, that would seriously offend me, much more than asking to write
down a lower value on the customs form (e.g. instead of shipping it in two batches
for purely administrative reasons) but I am aware this is a cultural thing as
well. So in that case, I will not go and cancel the order or report anything.
I will simply refuse.
Come on American sellers, if you're offended, simply explain, communicate
with your buyers, let's focus on our task, selling good Lego, instead of
being moralists slapping customers with law books!
ALL reasons to cancel orders have to do with an agreement being out of reach.
They should NEVER be about a value judgement on the buyer's opinion, culture,
preference, religion, political preference, etc. Keep it professional!
|
This is not about intolerance or failing to understand other cultures. It is
about being able to sell without being asked to break the law or to suffer possible
harm because you insist on acting lawfully. Just because your own postal employees
sometimes tell you to lie on the customs forms does not make it legal to do so.
Even in your country, customs fraud is a crime. Don't believe me? Ask your
customs agency if it would be OK for me to underdeclare one of your orders and
see what they say.
I don't think it is extreme or intolerant to comply with the law. I think
it is expected.
In my line of work I sometimes have to negotiate with people and companies in
other countries. Countries where it is not only common but expected to offer
illegal bribes and kickbacks to make deals. However, I am forbidden by law to
do so. By the laws of my own country and the laws of the country where the deal
is trying to be made. Fortunately, the expectation that bribes and kickbacks
are a necessary part of doing business in some countries is decreasing. It is
no longer as bad as it once was. Mainly because more and more people with integrity
and ethics stood up and said "No, I won't do that, so don't even ask."
I have watched attitudes towards customs fraud slowly evolve over the years.
And just like the attitudes towards bribery and kickbacks when trying to do business
in certain countries, I have seen those attitudes change. The frequency and acceptance
of such fraud has steadily decreased. Sellers who used to think it was harmless
and routine have turned around and realized that it is neither. And many buyers
who used to ask are not doing so any more. Just like sellers, more and more buyers
understand that it is not even acceptable to ask for such fraud. There is still
a ways to go to stop this sort of customs fraud, and I hope this trend continues.
But it won't improve as long as there are still many who believe there is
no harm in asking.
Thor
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So let me ask you this question:
Were there any people you encountered in your work that participated in bribery?
Did you refuse to work with them?
|
What I mean is, your experience seems to illustrate my point: You have to find
a way to work with other people in a way that agrees with your own terms. So
rather than boycotting everything and everyone, we promote what we stand for
and either do the job that way, or not at all.
Following the logic of "buyer asked for inaccurate customs declaration" as a
reason to break off the deal, I would have to boycot all of the post offices
here as well, as they all sympathise with inaccurate customs declarations. Yes,
I am aware it is illegal, but what I mean is; I have no problem with simply pointing
out which way I will have it. Otherwise, I would be out of business because
there'd be no place left where I could ship out my orders  (Besides, the
bare fact of something being illegal doesn't impress me very much in and
of itself, running a red light is illegal too but I and alot of other people
do it frequently when there's no harm in it. Laws serve people, people don't
serve laws.)
I understand it is annoying to get messages asking do to this when you won't,
and you have to tell that over and over again. However, I don't think that's
a significant workload compared to other types of inquiries we're getting.
To me it's proper customer service to simply point out what can and what
cannot be done in a friendly way.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 10:54 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | What I mean is, your experience seems to illustrate my point: You have to find
a way to work with other people in a way that agrees with your own terms. So
rather than boycotting everything and everyone, we promote what we stand for
and either do the job that way, or not at all.
Following the logic of "buyer asked for inaccurate customs declaration" as a
reason to break off the deal, I would have to boycot all of the post offices
here as well, as they all sympathise with inaccurate customs declarations. Yes,
I am aware it is illegal, but what I mean is; I have no problem with simply pointing
out which way I will have it. Otherwise, I would be out of business because
there'd be no place left where I could ship out my orders (Besides, the
bare fact of something being illegal doesn't impress me very much in and
of itself, running a red light is illegal too but I and alot of other people
do it frequently when there's no harm in it. Laws serve people, people don't
serve laws.)
I understand it is annoying to get messages asking do to this when you won't,
and you have to tell that over and over again. However, I don't think that's
a significant workload compared to other types of inquiries we're getting.
To me it's proper customer service to simply point out what can and what
cannot be done in a friendly way.
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it does not mean he has to break the law, its like you asking him to go rob a
liquor store, would you ask someone to go commit a robbery? that's what your
doing.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 11:27 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | What I mean is, your experience seems to illustrate my point: You have to find
a way to work with other people in a way that agrees with your own terms. So
rather than boycotting everything and everyone, we promote what we stand for
and either do the job that way, or not at all.
Following the logic of "buyer asked for inaccurate customs declaration" as a
reason to break off the deal, I would have to boycot all of the post offices
here as well, as they all sympathise with inaccurate customs declarations. Yes,
I am aware it is illegal, but what I mean is; I have no problem with simply pointing
out which way I will have it. Otherwise, I would be out of business because
there'd be no place left where I could ship out my orders (Besides, the
bare fact of something being illegal doesn't impress me very much in and
of itself, running a red light is illegal too but I and alot of other people
do it frequently when there's no harm in it. Laws serve people, people don't
serve laws.)
I understand it is annoying to get messages asking do to this when you won't,
and you have to tell that over and over again. However, I don't think that's
a significant workload compared to other types of inquiries we're getting.
To me it's proper customer service to simply point out what can and what
cannot be done in a friendly way.
|
it does not mean he has to break the law, its like you asking him to go rob a
liquor store, would you ask someone to go commit a robbery? that's what your
doing.
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If someone would ask me to rob a liquor store, I'd simply say no. If I'd
catch them doing it themselves, I'd call the authorities.
Again, these comparisons are (regardless of their validity) highly subjective.
I, for example, would not consider an inaccurate value declaration more offending
than asking for a lower price. Asking for a lower price for no logical reason
is much more offending to me as it implies the buyer wants to get ahead of other
buyers which to my moral compass is much more selfish. But these things are personal
so I will send a friendly reply in either case. To you it feels like being asked
to rob a liquor store. To a guy from another country it feels like asking whether
a seller would help them increase the likelihood of an order arriving without
being stolen.
I think people who get angry over this question just need to snap out of it and
understand that the buyer did not intend any offense. It seems some people blow
this hugely out of proportion in their minds, thinking "oh my god, this buyer
is implying that I'm the sort of person that'd commit crimes, they're
saying that I'm a horrible person, I'm so offended" 
So let's just...
"Hi seller, could you please write a lower value on the package?"
"Thank you for your inquiry. I'm afraid I can't do that for you. What
you are asking is actually illegal, and I have chosen for my business to be 100%
in accordance with the law. My apologies for the inconvenience."
Repeat after me...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 11:58 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | it does not mean he has to break the law, its like you asking him to go rob a
liquor store, would you ask someone to go commit a robbery? that's what your
doing.
|
If someone would ask me to rob a liquor store, I'd simply say no. If I'd
catch them doing it themselves, I'd call the authorities.
Again, these comparisons are (regardless of their validity) highly subjective.
I, for example, would not consider an inaccurate value declaration more offending
than asking for a lower price. Asking for a lower price for no logical reason
is much more offending to me as it implies the buyer wants to get ahead of other
buyers which to my moral compass is much more selfish. But these things are personal
so I will send a friendly reply in either case. To you it feels like being asked
to rob a liquor store. To a guy from another country it feels like asking whether
a seller would help them increase the likelihood of an order arriving without
being stolen.
I think people who get angry over this question just need to snap out of it and
understand that the buyer did not intend any offense. It seems some people blow
this hugely out of proportion in their minds, thinking "oh my god, this buyer
is implying that I'm the sort of person that'd commit crimes, they're
saying that I'm a horrible person, I'm so offended"
So let's just...
"Hi seller, could you please write a lower value on the package?"
"Thank you for your inquiry. I'm afraid I can't do that for you. What
you are asking is actually illegal, and I have chosen for my business to be 100%
in accordance with the law. My apologies for the inconvenience."
Repeat after me...
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but it is very accurate, to ask someone to lie on the customs form is asking
them to break the law, a crime that can have prison time and a fine, pretty much
what happens if you rob a liquor store.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | eileenkeeney | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:32 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | So let me ask you this question:
Were there any people you encountered in your work that participated in bribery?
Did you refuse to work with them?
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My employer requires that I report this, as per our Standards of Business Conduct.
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| | | | | | | Author: | steekstra | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 08:34 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 08:38 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, steekstra writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
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Hallo Teup,
Als ik de vraag krijg , dan springen de helft van mijn nekharen al overeind.
Dus laat ik de koper weten dat ik daar niet aan mee werk !!
Had laatst een koper die de vraag stelde, heb ik verteld dat ik daar niet aan
meewerk, invoice verstuurd, koper betaald invoice PayPal met opmerking : Je moet
het verzenden met douane waarde ##.
Deze betaling heb ik gelijk terug gestort, en de order gecanceled.
Heb een goed weekend,
Steekstra
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Ok, klinkt redelijk. Maar, als iemand het anders gewoonweg niet ontvangt omdat
de autoriteiten corrupt zijn, is het toch niet zo'n gekke vraag? Niet dat
je het dan moet doen, maar dan zeg je toch gewoon "sorry, ik begrijp je probleem,
maar ik kan je helaas niet helpen"? Ben het ermee eens als ze aan komen zetten
met "je moet" het een dealbreaker is (da's een gevalletje "buyer demands"),
maar als ie het gewoon gevraagd had zou ik niet zo panisch reageren. Toch? Ik
vind het een hoop poeha om niks. Er gebeuren zat immorelere dingen in het land
die gewoon "legaal" zijn... beetje perspectief denk ik dan. Het is niet alsof
iemand je probeert in te huren voor een moord ofzo
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 09:28 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, steekstra writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, steekstra writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
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Ik als Buyer heb nog nooit iemand gevraagd het te versturen met fraude in douane
formulieren..
Als je een leuke aanbieding vind buiten de EU, dan bereken je toch of het nog
leuk is na invoer belasting ??
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Nee, dan deel je je bestelling op in partijen van €25, handiger
Het zou evt wel handig zijn als je optioneel automatisch iets er bij op kan laten
tellen zoals jij beschrijft. Zodat de priceguide niet zo vertekent. Ik denk dat
dat al een hoop aanvragen zou schelen.
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Dat moet toch ook zo kunnen werken voor kopers buiten de EU.
Helaas zijn er landen waar (veel) post niet aankomt als de EURO waarde hoog is,
Deze buyers vragen meestal standard om Insurance !!
Steekstra
| | | | Hallo Teup,
Als ik de vraag krijg , dan springen de helft van mijn nekharen al overeind.
Dus laat ik de koper weten dat ik daar niet aan mee werk !!
Had laatst een koper die de vraag stelde, heb ik verteld dat ik daar niet aan
meewerk, invoice verstuurd, koper betaald invoice PayPal met opmerking : Je moet
het verzenden met douane waarde ##.
Deze betaling heb ik gelijk terug gestort, en de order gecanceled.
Heb een goed weekend,
Steekstra
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Ok, klinkt redelijk. Maar, als iemand het anders gewoonweg niet ontvangt omdat
de autoriteiten corrupt zijn, is het toch niet zo'n gekke vraag? Niet dat
je het dan moet doen, maar dan zeg je toch gewoon "sorry, ik begrijp je probleem,
maar ik kan je helaas niet helpen"? Ben het ermee eens als ze aan komen zetten
met "je moet" het een dealbreaker is (da's een gevalletje "buyer demands"),
maar als ie het gewoon gevraagd had zou ik niet zo panisch reageren. Toch? Ik
vind het een hoop poeha om niks. Er gebeuren zat immorelere dingen in het land
die gewoon "legaal" zijn... beetje perspectief denk ik dan. Het is niet alsof
iemand je probeert in te huren voor een moord ofzo
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| In Suggestions, steekstra writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, steekstra writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, steekstra writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
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Ik als Buyer heb nog nooit iemand gevraagd het te versturen met fraude in douane
formulieren..
Als je een leuke aanbieding vind buiten de EU, dan bereken je toch of het nog
leuk is na invoer belasting ??
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Nee, dan deel je je bestelling op in partijen van €25, handiger
Het zou evt wel handig zijn als je optioneel automatisch iets er bij op kan laten
tellen zoals jij beschrijft. Zodat de priceguide niet zo vertekent. Ik denk dat
dat al een hoop aanvragen zou schelen.
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Dat moet toch ook zo kunnen werken voor kopers buiten de EU.
Helaas zijn er landen waar (veel) post niet aankomt als de EURO waarde hoog is,
Deze buyers vragen meestal standard om Insurance !!
Steekstra
| | | | Hallo Teup,
Als ik de vraag krijg , dan springen de helft van mijn nekharen al overeind.
Dus laat ik de koper weten dat ik daar niet aan mee werk !!
Had laatst een koper die de vraag stelde, heb ik verteld dat ik daar niet aan
meewerk, invoice verstuurd, koper betaald invoice PayPal met opmerking : Je moet
het verzenden met douane waarde ##.
Deze betaling heb ik gelijk terug gestort, en de order gecanceled.
Heb een goed weekend,
Steekstra
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Ok, klinkt redelijk. Maar, als iemand het anders gewoonweg niet ontvangt omdat
de autoriteiten corrupt zijn, is het toch niet zo'n gekke vraag? Niet dat
je het dan moet doen, maar dan zeg je toch gewoon "sorry, ik begrijp je probleem,
maar ik kan je helaas niet helpen"? Ben het ermee eens als ze aan komen zetten
met "je moet" het een dealbreaker is (da's een gevalletje "buyer demands"),
maar als ie het gewoon gevraagd had zou ik niet zo panisch reageren. Toch? Ik
vind het een hoop poeha om niks. Er gebeuren zat immorelere dingen in het land
die gewoon "legaal" zijn... beetje perspectief denk ik dan. Het is niet alsof
iemand je probeert in te huren voor een moord ofzo
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Dus als je een order plaats voor laten we zegen EURO 400..
Dan vraag je of de Seller er 16 enveloppjes van kan maken ???
En dan maar hopen dat alles past ?? en het er geen 18 worden ???
En als dan de eerste aankomt, dan een e-mail versturen WAAR BLIJFT DE REST ??
Ja goed idee !!!
Steekstra
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Hmmmja... kans dat je je doel wel een beetje voorbij schiet dan Verzendkosten
zijn dan hoger dan importkosten Maar toch, ik ken iemand die dat vaak doet,
blijkbaar is het soms de moeite waard
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| Has anyone ever heard of anyone ever getting into the slightest difficulty after
committing this horrible crime, worse than murder, rape or genocide altogether?
Peter
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 11:59 | | Subject: | Add 'Seller flips out over customs fraud' checkbox | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Legopeter writes:
| | Has anyone ever heard of anyone ever getting into the slightest difficulty after
committing this horrible crime, worse than murder, rape or genocide altogether?
Peter
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | blackballoon | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:02 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Legopeter writes:
| | Has anyone ever heard of anyone ever getting into the slightest difficulty after
committing this horrible crime, worse than murder, rape or genocide altogether?
Peter
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My cousin's friend's sister's uncle's hairstylist's mother's
automechanic SWEARS that a package he sent in the 1990's was held by the
local post office and marked "ADDITIONAL POSTAGE DUE" upon delivery of a $200
package declared as $50
Customs Fraud typicallly applies to commercial shipments of very large value
(for example, shipment of $100 million of new microprocessors declared as $1
million by corporate tax cheaters, or a $50 million Picasso painting smuggled
across borders declared as $50 value). There is an option on the USPS website
to select if the package contents are below or above $2,500 which is the current
"commercial shipment" threshhold value which will likely require a customs broker.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:12 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Legopeter writes:
| | Has anyone ever heard of anyone ever getting into the slightest difficulty after
committing this horrible crime, worse than murder, rape or genocide altogether?
Peter
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My cousin's friend's sister's uncle's hairstylist's mother's
automechanic SWEARS that a package he sent in the 1990's was held by the
local post office and marked "ADDITIONAL POSTAGE DUE" upon delivery of a $200
package declared as $50
Customs Fraud typicallly applies to commercial shipments of very large value
(for example, shipment of $100 million of new microprocessors declared as $1
million by corporate tax cheaters, or a $50 million Picasso painting smuggled
across borders declared as $50 value). There is an option on the USPS website
to select if the package contents are below or above $2,500 which is the current
"commercial shipment" threshhold value which will likely require a customs broker.
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This guy just asked the seller to write $25 on his Bricklink order.. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqORaMaHPa4
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:17 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Legopeter writes:
| | Has anyone ever heard of anyone ever getting into the slightest difficulty after
committing this horrible crime, worse than murder, rape or genocide altogether?
Peter
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My cousin's friend's sister's uncle's hairstylist's mother's
automechanic SWEARS that a package he sent in the 1990's was held by the
local post office and marked "ADDITIONAL POSTAGE DUE" upon delivery of a $200
package declared as $50
Customs Fraud typicallly applies to commercial shipments of very large value
(for example, shipment of $100 million of new microprocessors declared as $1
million by corporate tax cheaters, or a $50 million Picasso painting smuggled
across borders declared as $50 value). There is an option on the USPS website
to select if the package contents are below or above $2,500 which is the current
"commercial shipment" threshhold value which will likely require a customs broker.
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that's for shipments into the US.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | blackballoon | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:30 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
Oh God, not an inspection of your mother's package! That is the truly harsh
punishment for a most heinous crime.
Thanks for providing those links to multi-million dollar customs fraud cases.
You have just proved that all of this hoopla about customs fraud is so far overblown
it is almost ridiculous.
Let me know when you locate the news story about the "Lego seller arrested for
illegally declaring $100 parcel to Singapore as only $10"
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:37 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
Oh God, not an inspection of your mother's package! That is the truly harsh
punishment for a most heinous crime.
Thanks for providing those links to multi-million dollar customs fraud cases.
You have just proved that all of this hoopla about customs fraud is so far overblown
it is almost ridiculous.
Let me know when you locate the news story about the "Lego seller arrested for
illegally declaring $100 parcel to Singapore as only $10"
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oh there won't be news stories about that, but they do happen, and my mothers
package was checked for customs declaration.
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| | | | | | | Author: | blackballoon | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:23 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
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Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:28 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
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http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1919
part 13:
General Compliance with Laws:
You shall comply with all applicable laws, statutes, ordinances and regulations
regarding your use of our service and your listing, purchase and sale of items.
part 9:
Breach:
We reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete all of your data and
deny you access to any or all of your data stored at BrickLink.com if you breach
this Agreement or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information
you provide to us. We also reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete
all of your data and deny you access to any or all of the site's features
at any time for any reason without prior notice.
So by BL's ToS by asking someone to break the law BL could find you in breach
of the contract and delete your account.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | blackballoon | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:34 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1919
part 13:
General Compliance with Laws:
You shall comply with all applicable laws, statutes, ordinances and regulations
regarding your use of our service and your listing, purchase and sale of items.
part 9:
Breach:
We reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete all of your data and
deny you access to any or all of your data stored at BrickLink.com if you breach
this Agreement or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information
you provide to us. We also reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete
all of your data and deny you access to any or all of the site's features
at any time for any reason without prior notice.
So by BL's ToS by asking someone to break the law BL could find you in breach
of the contract and delete your account.
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Do you know by chance where I can get one of those tinfoil hats you are wearing?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:38 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
|
I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1919
part 13:
General Compliance with Laws:
You shall comply with all applicable laws, statutes, ordinances and regulations
regarding your use of our service and your listing, purchase and sale of items.
part 9:
Breach:
We reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete all of your data and
deny you access to any or all of your data stored at BrickLink.com if you breach
this Agreement or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information
you provide to us. We also reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete
all of your data and deny you access to any or all of the site's features
at any time for any reason without prior notice.
So by BL's ToS by asking someone to break the law BL could find you in breach
of the contract and delete your account.
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Do you know by chance where I can get one of those tinfoil hats you are wearing?
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are you advocating that we break the law and break BL's ToS ? and how long
you want to be a member here?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | blackballoon | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:42 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
|
I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1919
part 13:
General Compliance with Laws:
You shall comply with all applicable laws, statutes, ordinances and regulations
regarding your use of our service and your listing, purchase and sale of items.
part 9:
Breach:
We reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete all of your data and
deny you access to any or all of your data stored at BrickLink.com if you breach
this Agreement or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information
you provide to us. We also reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete
all of your data and deny you access to any or all of the site's features
at any time for any reason without prior notice.
So by BL's ToS by asking someone to break the law BL could find you in breach
of the contract and delete your account.
|
Do you know by chance where I can get one of those tinfoil hats you are wearing?
|
are you advocating that we break the law and break BL's ToS ? and how long
you want to be a member here?
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i would never advocate that anyone break the law
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:46 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
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Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
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http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1919
part 13:
General Compliance with Laws:
You shall comply with all applicable laws, statutes, ordinances and regulations
regarding your use of our service and your listing, purchase and sale of items.
part 9:
Breach:
We reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete all of your data and
deny you access to any or all of your data stored at BrickLink.com if you breach
this Agreement or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information
you provide to us. We also reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete
all of your data and deny you access to any or all of the site's features
at any time for any reason without prior notice.
So by BL's ToS by asking someone to break the law BL could find you in breach
of the contract and delete your account.
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That is a default website disclaimer, bringing that up is an argument that could
be used to defend any reason to punish a buyer under discussion. Yes,
your membership can be terminated for any reason whatsoever, fair or unfair,
logical or unlogical, that's true.
The again, a forum topic on customs fraud has previously been censored by the
moderators, so it wouldn't surprise me if they'd ban someone for it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | blackballoon | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:48 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
|
I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1919
part 13:
General Compliance with Laws:
You shall comply with all applicable laws, statutes, ordinances and regulations
regarding your use of our service and your listing, purchase and sale of items.
part 9:
Breach:
We reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete all of your data and
deny you access to any or all of your data stored at BrickLink.com if you breach
this Agreement or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information
you provide to us. We also reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete
all of your data and deny you access to any or all of the site's features
at any time for any reason without prior notice.
So by BL's ToS by asking someone to break the law BL could find you in breach
of the contract and delete your account.
|
That is a default website disclaimer, bringing that up is an argument that could
be used to defend any reason to punish a buyer under discussion. Yes,
your membership can be terminated for any reason whatsoever, fair or unfair,
logical or unlogical, that's true.
The again, a forum topic on customs fraud has previously been censored by the
moderators, so it wouldn't surprise me if they'd ban someone for it.
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it was not censored for that reason. it is a private matter,, sorry no details
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:53 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
|
I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1919
part 13:
General Compliance with Laws:
You shall comply with all applicable laws, statutes, ordinances and regulations
regarding your use of our service and your listing, purchase and sale of items.
part 9:
Breach:
We reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete all of your data and
deny you access to any or all of your data stored at BrickLink.com if you breach
this Agreement or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information
you provide to us. We also reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete
all of your data and deny you access to any or all of the site's features
at any time for any reason without prior notice.
So by BL's ToS by asking someone to break the law BL could find you in breach
of the contract and delete your account.
|
That is a default website disclaimer, bringing that up is an argument that could
be used to defend any reason to punish a buyer under discussion. Yes,
your membership can be terminated for any reason whatsoever, fair or unfair,
logical or unlogical, that's true.
The again, a forum topic on customs fraud has previously been censored by the
moderators, so it wouldn't surprise me if they'd ban someone for it.
|
its clear and simple, customs fraud is against the law, so don't ask, plain
and simple.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | blackballoon | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:55 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
|
I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1919
part 13:
General Compliance with Laws:
You shall comply with all applicable laws, statutes, ordinances and regulations
regarding your use of our service and your listing, purchase and sale of items.
part 9:
Breach:
We reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete all of your data and
deny you access to any or all of your data stored at BrickLink.com if you breach
this Agreement or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information
you provide to us. We also reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete
all of your data and deny you access to any or all of the site's features
at any time for any reason without prior notice.
So by BL's ToS by asking someone to break the law BL could find you in breach
of the contract and delete your account.
|
That is a default website disclaimer, bringing that up is an argument that could
be used to defend any reason to punish a buyer under discussion. Yes,
your membership can be terminated for any reason whatsoever, fair or unfair,
logical or unlogical, that's true.
The again, a forum topic on customs fraud has previously been censored by the
moderators, so it wouldn't surprise me if they'd ban someone for it.
|
its clear and simple, customs fraud is against the law, so don't ask, plain
and simple.
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Committing customs fraud is against the law. You are free to ask
for it all day long.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:57 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
|
I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1919
part 13:
General Compliance with Laws:
You shall comply with all applicable laws, statutes, ordinances and regulations
regarding your use of our service and your listing, purchase and sale of items.
part 9:
Breach:
We reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete all of your data and
deny you access to any or all of your data stored at BrickLink.com if you breach
this Agreement or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information
you provide to us. We also reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete
all of your data and deny you access to any or all of the site's features
at any time for any reason without prior notice.
So by BL's ToS by asking someone to break the law BL could find you in breach
of the contract and delete your account.
|
That is a default website disclaimer, bringing that up is an argument that could
be used to defend any reason to punish a buyer under discussion. Yes,
your membership can be terminated for any reason whatsoever, fair or unfair,
logical or unlogical, that's true.
The again, a forum topic on customs fraud has previously been censored by the
moderators, so it wouldn't surprise me if they'd ban someone for it.
|
its clear and simple, customs fraud is against the law, so don't ask, plain
and simple.
|
Committing customs fraud is against the law. You are free to ask
for it all day long.
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no, it is against the law to solicit a criminal act. in other words asking someone
to commit a crime is against the law, only difference is in soliciting the person
asking is committing the crime, committing the crime is the one doing it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | blackballoon | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 13:04 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
|
I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1919
part 13:
General Compliance with Laws:
You shall comply with all applicable laws, statutes, ordinances and regulations
regarding your use of our service and your listing, purchase and sale of items.
part 9:
Breach:
We reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete all of your data and
deny you access to any or all of your data stored at BrickLink.com if you breach
this Agreement or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information
you provide to us. We also reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete
all of your data and deny you access to any or all of the site's features
at any time for any reason without prior notice.
So by BL's ToS by asking someone to break the law BL could find you in breach
of the contract and delete your account.
|
That is a default website disclaimer, bringing that up is an argument that could
be used to defend any reason to punish a buyer under discussion. Yes,
your membership can be terminated for any reason whatsoever, fair or unfair,
logical or unlogical, that's true.
The again, a forum topic on customs fraud has previously been censored by the
moderators, so it wouldn't surprise me if they'd ban someone for it.
|
its clear and simple, customs fraud is against the law, so don't ask, plain
and simple.
|
Committing customs fraud is against the law. You are free to ask
for it all day long.
|
no, it is against the law to solicit a criminal act. in other words asking someone
to commit a crime is against the law, only difference is in soliciting the person
asking is committing the crime, committing the crime is the one doing it.
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Alright, well i can see you are just going to keep responding with more and more
outlandish replies and legal definitions and fine print. I am not a lawyer,
but usually what you are talking about refers to much more well defined contracts
for prostitution or murder etc. Here on bricklink, we buy and sell typically
low value lego orders. No one is getting their account terminated,no one is
going to jail, no one is i plementing any checkboxes for asking questions, so
all of this is overblown moot discussion nonsense
Please reserve the forum for serious discussion that actually impacts us....
thank you....
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 13:10 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
|
I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1919
part 13:
General Compliance with Laws:
You shall comply with all applicable laws, statutes, ordinances and regulations
regarding your use of our service and your listing, purchase and sale of items.
part 9:
Breach:
We reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete all of your data and
deny you access to any or all of your data stored at BrickLink.com if you breach
this Agreement or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information
you provide to us. We also reserve the right to terminate your membership, delete
all of your data and deny you access to any or all of the site's features
at any time for any reason without prior notice.
So by BL's ToS by asking someone to break the law BL could find you in breach
of the contract and delete your account.
|
That is a default website disclaimer, bringing that up is an argument that could
be used to defend any reason to punish a buyer under discussion. Yes,
your membership can be terminated for any reason whatsoever, fair or unfair,
logical or unlogical, that's true.
The again, a forum topic on customs fraud has previously been censored by the
moderators, so it wouldn't surprise me if they'd ban someone for it.
|
its clear and simple, customs fraud is against the law, so don't ask, plain
and simple.
|
Committing customs fraud is against the law. You are free to ask
for it all day long.
|
no, it is against the law to solicit a criminal act. in other words asking someone
to commit a crime is against the law, only difference is in soliciting the person
asking is committing the crime, committing the crime is the one doing it.
|
Alright, well i can see you are just going to keep responding with more and more
outlandish replies and legal definitions and fine print. I am not a lawyer,
but usually what you are talking about refers to much more well defined contracts
for prostitution or murder etc. Here on bricklink, we buy and sell typically
low value lego orders. No one is getting their account terminated,no one is
going to jail, no one is i plementing any checkboxes for asking questions, so
all of this is overblown moot discussion nonsense
Please reserve the forum for serious discussion that actually impacts us....
thank you....
|
actually the solicitation of a criminal act is serious believe it or not and
asking someone to lie on an official government form is also very serious too
and a crime.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 14:59 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| But then they can also terminate your account and delete your data without a
reason too.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:36 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
|
I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
Yup, rather than defining the buyer, maybe we should have a checkbox "seller
flips out when asked to commit customs fraud". That'd solve everything, the
sellers who get offended by the question can check that box and will not get
it that often anymore. And when they do they can point to the checkbox and get
legitimately angry and stoplist the buyer
But you're right, asking this should never be punished. It's not an illegal
action, it's not a faillure to reach an agreement at the point of asking,
and it is not a personal insult.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:40 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
|
I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
Yup, rather than defining the buyer, maybe we should have a checkbox "seller
flips out when asked to commit customs fraud". That'd solve everything, the
sellers who get offended by the question can check that box and will not get
it that often anymore. And when they do they can point to the checkbox and get
legitimately angry and stoplist the buyer
But you're right, asking this should never be punished. It's not an illegal
action, it's not a faillure to reach an agreement at the point of asking,
and it is not a personal insult.
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so when a person asks another person to kill someone, that's not against
the law? even though no crime has been committed?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | blackballoon | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:46 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
|
I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
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Yup, rather than defining the buyer, maybe we should have a checkbox "seller
flips out when asked to commit customs fraud". That'd solve everything, the
sellers who get offended by the question can check that box and will not get
it that often anymore. And when they do they can point to the checkbox and get
legitimately angry and stoplist the buyer
But you're right, asking this should never be punished. It's not an illegal
action, it's not a faillure to reach an agreement at the point of asking,
and it is not a personal insult.
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so when a person asks another person to kill someone, that's not against
the law? even though no crime has been committed?
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i am not a lawyer but i am pretty sure you would need a consiberable amount of
court-admissible evidence to convict someone based on just asking another person
to kill somebody, if no killing or attempt to kill has taken place. For all you
know, the person might just be joking.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:50 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
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Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
Yup, rather than defining the buyer, maybe we should have a checkbox "seller
flips out when asked to commit customs fraud". That'd solve everything, the
sellers who get offended by the question can check that box and will not get
it that often anymore. And when they do they can point to the checkbox and get
legitimately angry and stoplist the buyer
But you're right, asking this should never be punished. It's not an illegal
action, it's not a faillure to reach an agreement at the point of asking,
and it is not a personal insult.
|
so when a person asks another person to kill someone, that's not against
the law? even though no crime has been committed?
|
i am not a lawyer but i am pretty sure you would need a consiberable amount of
court-admissible evidence to convict someone based on just asking another person
to kill somebody, if no killing or attempt to kill has taken place. For all you
know, the person might just be joking.
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you would be surprised, you should watch the news more often.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | blackballoon | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:53 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
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I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
Yup, rather than defining the buyer, maybe we should have a checkbox "seller
flips out when asked to commit customs fraud". That'd solve everything, the
sellers who get offended by the question can check that box and will not get
it that often anymore. And when they do they can point to the checkbox and get
legitimately angry and stoplist the buyer
But you're right, asking this should never be punished. It's not an illegal
action, it's not a faillure to reach an agreement at the point of asking,
and it is not a personal insult.
|
so when a person asks another person to kill someone, that's not against
the law? even though no crime has been committed?
|
i am not a lawyer but i am pretty sure you would need a consiberable amount of
court-admissible evidence to convict someone based on just asking another person
to kill somebody, if no killing or attempt to kill has taken place. For all you
know, the person might just be joking.
|
you would be surprised, you should watch the news more often.
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OK mr. tinfoil hat
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 12:54 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, LordSkylark writes:
| | Please add
"Buyer wanted seller to lie on custom's form"
as an option for the seller to cancel the order.
Andy
|
I take it you meant
"Buyer demanded"
I think that's an important difference. Just asking for it shouldn't
be cause for a seller to freak out and cancel the order. If a buyer demands it
(like demanding a lower price. which is already in there as one of the reasons)
then that is a legitimate deal breaker.
|
Has that ever stopped the thought police from trying to regulate our speech ?
Pretty soon they will be calling for a checkbox to cancel an order if the buyer
asks about the weather in the seller's country.
Customs fraud is law made and enforced by government(s). Bricklink is not a
government. Even if a buyer breaks a legal contract here on bricklink, it would
be a matter for the courts to handle, not bricklink.
Since when is asking a question a crime ? Last i checked, you usually have to
act in order to face consequences. Besides, the seller already has the ability
to cancel an order for almost any reason they desire, so long as it is part of
their store terms.
|
Yup, rather than defining the buyer, maybe we should have a checkbox "seller
flips out when asked to commit customs fraud". That'd solve everything, the
sellers who get offended by the question can check that box and will not get
it that often anymore. And when they do they can point to the checkbox and get
legitimately angry and stoplist the buyer
But you're right, asking this should never be punished. It's not an illegal
action, it's not a faillure to reach an agreement at the point of asking,
and it is not a personal insult.
|
so when a person asks another person to kill someone, that's not against
the law? even though no crime has been committed?
|
i am not a lawyer but i am pretty sure you would need a consiberable amount of
court-admissible evidence to convict someone based on just asking another person
to kill somebody, if no killing or attempt to kill has taken place. For all you
know, the person might just be joking.
|
you would be surprised, you should watch the news more often.
|
OK mr. tinfoil hat
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actually its called criminal solicitation, and while not as severe as the actual
crime, it is a crime.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | May 23, 2015 15:46 | | Subject: | Re: Add 'Customs Fraud' to option to cancel order | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, blackballoon writes:
| | i am not a lawyer but i am pretty sure you would need a consiberable amount of
court-admissible evidence to convict someone based on just asking another person
to kill somebody, if no killing or attempt to kill has taken place. For all you
know, the person might just be joking.
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In most jurisdictions, there is a difference between an offense and a crime.
Similarly, there is a difference in asking to commit an offense and asking to
commit a crime.
If you ask someone to jaywalk, no problem. Asking someone to kill someone else,
big problem.
Niek.
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