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| | | Author: | Graham.  | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 13:48 | | Subject: | Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 361 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
You now even have items such as "custom bricks" from Taiwan listed as custom
items - how do you know these aren't actually m*gabl*ks?
If not maybe made after hours in the same factory.
It's this simple: - if it isn't manufactured by TLG - it isn't LeGo, and shouldn't
be available here, there are other venues to sell such items.
You should be aware that TLG whilst not (officially) endorsing this site, certainly
do so un-officially - many times I have been referred to Bricklink for obsolete
parts.
Please return the favour - by NOT allowing ANY and ALL non Lego parts to be listed
here.
Thank You
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| | | | | Author: | V_JAMS | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 13:52 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I agree. Lego should be sold on a Lego site. I vote yes.
In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
You now even have items such as "custom bricks" from Taiwan listed as custom
items - how do you know these aren't actually m*gabl*ks?
If not maybe made after hours in the same factory.
It's this simple: - if it isn't manufactured by TLG - it isn't LeGo, and shouldn't
be available here, there are other venues to sell such items.
You should be aware that TLG whilst not (officially) endorsing this site, certainly
do so un-officially - many times I have been referred to Bricklink for obsolete
parts.
Please return the favour - by NOT allowing ANY and ALL non Lego parts to be listed
here.
Thank You
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| | | | | Author: | Ctbyrne | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 14:02 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
You now even have items such as "custom bricks" from Taiwan listed as custom
items - how do you know these aren't actually m*gabl*ks?
If not maybe made after hours in the same factory.
It's this simple: - if it isn't manufactured by TLG - it isn't LeGo, and shouldn't
be available here, there are other venues to sell such items.
You should be aware that TLG whilst not (officially) endorsing this site, certainly
do so un-officially - many times I have been referred to Bricklink for obsolete
parts.
Please return the favour - by NOT allowing ANY and ALL non Lego parts to be listed
here.
Thank You
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While I agree with you, your definition of custom implies that non-production
colors in particular elements are custom.
For instance, I have
in Sand Green. This was never in any sets, but there are plenty to be
found out there and they were manufactured by TLG just as any other part was.
This is just nitpicking though...
I don't mean to take the side of the clone brick dealers who lurk here, but their
alternate bricks really aren't taking away any sales from the rest of the sellers
here. I agree that non-LEGO shouldn't be allowed here, but I don't think it is
hurting us.
Chris
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| | | | | | | Author: | Graham. | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 14:59 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Hi Chris please see text in brackets 
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
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While I agree with you, your definition of custom implies that non-production
colors in particular elements are custom.
For instance, I have
in Sand Green. This was never in any sets, but there are plenty to be
found out there and they were manufactured by TLG just as any other part was.
This is just nitpicking though...
I don't mean to take the side of the clone brick dealers who lurk here, but their
alternate bricks really aren't taking away any sales from the rest of the sellers
here. I agree that non-LEGO shouldn't be allowed here, but I don't think it is
hurting us.
Chris
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Ctbyrne | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 16:02 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | Hi Chris please see text in brackets
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
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While I agree with you, your definition of custom implies that non-production
colors in particular elements are custom.
For instance, I have
in Sand Green. This was never in any sets, but there are plenty to be
found out there and they were manufactured by TLG just as any other part was.
This is just nitpicking though...
I don't mean to take the side of the clone brick dealers who lurk here, but their
alternate bricks really aren't taking away any sales from the rest of the sellers
here. I agree that non-LEGO shouldn't be allowed here, but I don't think it is
hurting us.
Chris
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Oops, I definitely misread your post. Sorry about that!
Chris
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| | | | | Author: | Daave | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 14:03 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| BOOM!!!
I 100% AGREE.
In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
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| | | | | Author: | SimplyBricks | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 14:08 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 87 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
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Actually, Dan was very tolerant of custom parts.
| | PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
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If the item was manufactured by LEGO then it would be in the catalog on this
site.
For the majority, custom means an item that was manufactured to be compatible
with LEGO, to enhance the playability. For example, LEGO have an anti-war policy
so will not make vehicles or sets which are based on real objects or scenarios.
For some, this represents a gap in the market so they put together custom models
of these, BUT in order to arm the figures in a realistic manner, then non TLG
parts are needed which is where other manufacturers come in.
Other companies like Megabloks, Cobi, BestLok etc, are considered CLONE brands.
Another example, we sell Custom Minifig display boxes, which we KNOW have been
specifically manufactured to be compatible with LEGO and have studs in the right
places and proportions that they can be included into models. By no stretch of
the imagination can they be called FAKES or CLONES. They are CUSTOM.
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You now even have items such as "custom bricks" from Taiwan listed as custom
items - how do you know these aren't actually m*gabl*ks?
If not maybe made after hours in the same factory.
It's this simple: - if it isn't manufactured by TLG - it isn't LeGo, and shouldn't
be available here, there are other venues to sell such items.
You should be aware that TLG whilst not (officially) endorsing this site, certainly
do so un-officially - many times I have been referred to Bricklink for obsolete
parts.
Please return the favour - by NOT allowing ANY and ALL non Lego parts to be listed
here.
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Think about it, BL still gets it's cut of Custom sales on here, so in essence
you are asking the site owners to take a dip in revenue for the sake of your
narrow view of what constitutes custom.
Emma
NOTE: posting my personal opinion and not that in my capacity of Inventory Admin
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| | | | | Author: | leggodtshop | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 14:09 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | Author: | leggodtshop | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 14:21 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
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[snip]
The Help text (Item for Sale Listing Policy) is quite clear about this:
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=103&q=custom
No clones, but besides that almost anything can be listed as custom: the item's
primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection.
Hth,
Arnoud
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| | | | | | | Author: | Graham. | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 15:03 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Thanks Arnould - that term adds substance to my point!
... and it isn't being held to!
graham
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| | | | | | | Author: | MouseMotors | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 15:06 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
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[snip]
The Help text (Item for Sale Listing Policy) is quite clear about this:
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=103&q=custom
No clones, but besides that almost anything can be listed as custom: the item's
primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection.
Hth,
Arnoud
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"LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product or have something to do with it."
This statement could be interpreted quite broadly. What exactly does "have something
to do with it" mean?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Graham. | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 15:13 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | "LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product or have something to do with it."
This statement could be interpreted quite broadly. What exactly does "have something
to do with it" mean?
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THAT is exactly what I would like to see clarified
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | leggodtshop | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 16:54 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, MorrisMouse writes:
| | In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
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[snip]
The Help text (Item for Sale Listing Policy) is quite clear about this:
http://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=103&q=custom
No clones, but besides that almost anything can be listed as custom: the item's
primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection.
Hth,
Arnoud
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"LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product or have something to do with it."
This statement could be interpreted quite broadly. What exactly does "have something
to do with it" mean?
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the item's primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement a Lego
collection
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| | | | | Author: | firefly | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 14:21 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
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Waaaait...your ID says member since Jan 9, 2010 and you're talking about what
you believe to have been Dan's vision...? I mean, it's not impossible, but....
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PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
You now even have items such as "custom bricks" from Taiwan listed as custom
items - how do you know these aren't actually m*gabl*ks?
If not maybe made after hours in the same factory.
It's this simple: - if it isn't manufactured by TLG - it isn't LeGo, and shouldn't
be available here, there are other venues to sell such items.
You should be aware that TLG whilst not (officially) endorsing this site, certainly
do so un-officially - many times I have been referred to Bricklink for obsolete
parts.
Please return the favour - by NOT allowing ANY and ALL non Lego parts to be listed
here.
Thank You
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| | | | | | | Author: | Graham. | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 15:06 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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Waaaait...your ID says member since Jan 9, 2010 and you're talking about what
you believe to have been Dan's vision...? I mean, it's not impossible, but....
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It's weird, and incorrect!
The other thing is the mission statement has changed, but there is no record
of the original 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | firefly | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 16:52 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
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Waaaait...your ID says member since Jan 9, 2010 and you're talking about what
you believe to have been Dan's vision...? I mean, it's not impossible, but....
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It's weird, and incorrect!
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And what of your Feedback? The first one is dated Feb. 3, 2010. I see you were
merged with "indigoking" on May 2, 2012. Did you lose earlier feedback in the
process? Yikes.
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The other thing is the mission statement has changed, but there is no record
of the original
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Meh...mission statements, vision statements...mostly silly ephemera of the information
age and atomic era. Can only think of one that ever truly meant anything to
me. It starts, "To boldly go...."
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| | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 15:05 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
You now even have items such as "custom bricks" from Taiwan listed as custom
items - how do you know these aren't actually m*gabl*ks?
If not maybe made after hours in the same factory.
It's this simple: - if it isn't manufactured by TLG - it isn't LeGo, and shouldn't
be available here, there are other venues to sell such items.
You should be aware that TLG whilst not (officially) endorsing this site, certainly
do so un-officially - many times I have been referred to Bricklink for obsolete
parts.
Please return the favour - by NOT allowing ANY and ALL non Lego parts to be listed
here.
Thank You
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I do somewhat agree.
In my eyes:
Custom is parts made for use with Lego, but parts Lego probably will never make.
Clone is parts made in SAME design as Lego part, even in colors never made by
Lego.
IE: modern army gun is custom, but 2x2 brick in glow in dark white which never
was made by Lego is a clone. If some retired part was made again in different
colors, it is still a clone.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Graham. | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 15:11 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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I do somewhat agree.
In my eyes:
Custom is parts made for use with Lego, but parts Lego probably will never make.
Clone is parts made in SAME design as Lego part, even in colors never made by
Lego.
IE: modern army gun is custom, but 2x2 brick in glow in dark white which never
was made by Lego is a clone. If some retired part was made again in different
colors, it is still a clone.
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OK on that, if a part that integrates/fits with Lego but was never made by TLG
is considered "custom" then we should be allowed to sell mega blocks as custom
- as long as the part is not a clone?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 15:26 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
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I do somewhat agree.
In my eyes:
Custom is parts made for use with Lego, but parts Lego probably will never make.
Clone is parts made in SAME design as Lego part, even in colors never made by
Lego.
IE: modern army gun is custom, but 2x2 brick in glow in dark white which never
was made by Lego is a clone. If some retired part was made again in different
colors, it is still a clone.
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OK on that, if a part that integrates/fits with Lego but was never made by TLG
is considered "custom" then we should be allowed to sell mega blocks as custom
- as long as the part is not a clone?
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No, Megablok is brand that also sells "standard" lego parts. That makes even
parts not made by Lego into clones.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | opii | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 15:32 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
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I do somewhat agree.
In my eyes:
Custom is parts made for use with Lego, but parts Lego probably will never make.
Clone is parts made in SAME design as Lego part, even in colors never made by
Lego.
IE: modern army gun is custom, but 2x2 brick in glow in dark white which never
was made by Lego is a clone. If some retired part was made again in different
colors, it is still a clone.
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OK on that, if a part that integrates/fits with Lego but was never made by TLG
is considered "custom" then we should be allowed to sell mega blocks as custom
- as long as the part is not a clone?
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No, Megablok is brand that also sells "standard" lego parts. That makes even
parts not made by Lego into clones.
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By that definition, any store that sells any "standard" lego parts would mean
all parts are clones. This would make all BrickArms items fall into the clone
category since they sell a syringe which TLG now produce.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 15:43 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, opii writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
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I do somewhat agree.
In my eyes:
Custom is parts made for use with Lego, but parts Lego probably will never make.
Clone is parts made in SAME design as Lego part, even in colors never made by
Lego.
IE: modern army gun is custom, but 2x2 brick in glow in dark white which never
was made by Lego is a clone. If some retired part was made again in different
colors, it is still a clone.
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OK on that, if a part that integrates/fits with Lego but was never made by TLG
is considered "custom" then we should be allowed to sell mega blocks as custom
- as long as the part is not a clone?
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No, Megablok is brand that also sells "standard" lego parts. That makes even
parts not made by Lego into clones.
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By that definition, any store that sells any "standard" lego parts would mean
all parts are clones. This would make all BrickArms items fall into the clone
category since they sell a syringe which TLG now produce.
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Depends on BrickArms version of syringe looks like. If it cannot be confused
with Lego part, then no. If yes, can be confused with, then yes.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 17:16 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, opii writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
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I do somewhat agree.
In my eyes:
Custom is parts made for use with Lego, but parts Lego probably will never make.
Clone is parts made in SAME design as Lego part, even in colors never made by
Lego.
IE: modern army gun is custom, but 2x2 brick in glow in dark white which never
was made by Lego is a clone. If some retired part was made again in different
colors, it is still a clone.
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OK on that, if a part that integrates/fits with Lego but was never made by TLG
is considered "custom" then we should be allowed to sell mega blocks as custom
- as long as the part is not a clone?
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No, Megablok is brand that also sells "standard" lego parts. That makes even
parts not made by Lego into clones.
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By that definition, any store that sells any "standard" lego parts would mean
all parts are clones. This would make all BrickArms items fall into the clone
category since they sell a syringe which TLG now produce.
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Depends on BrickArms version of syringe looks like. If it cannot be confused
with Lego part, then no. If yes, can be confused with, then yes.
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Compare http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=syringe with http://www.brickarms.com/Images2/Products/Syringe_Gallery_1.jpg
I would say no, it cannot be confused.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | opii | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 17:31 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, opii writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
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I do somewhat agree.
In my eyes:
Custom is parts made for use with Lego, but parts Lego probably will never make.
Clone is parts made in SAME design as Lego part, even in colors never made by
Lego.
IE: modern army gun is custom, but 2x2 brick in glow in dark white which never
was made by Lego is a clone. If some retired part was made again in different
colors, it is still a clone.
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OK on that, if a part that integrates/fits with Lego but was never made by TLG
is considered "custom" then we should be allowed to sell mega blocks as custom
- as long as the part is not a clone?
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No, Megablok is brand that also sells "standard" lego parts. That makes even
parts not made by Lego into clones.
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By that definition, any store that sells any "standard" lego parts would mean
all parts are clones. This would make all BrickArms items fall into the clone
category since they sell a syringe which TLG now produce.
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Depends on BrickArms version of syringe looks like. If it cannot be confused
with Lego part, then no. If yes, can be confused with, then yes.
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Compare http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=syringe with http://www.brickarms.com/Images2/Products/Syringe_Gallery_1.jpg
I would say no, it cannot be confused.
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There are some differences in those yes, but someone who doesn't know the parts
that well could confuse them. Another custom weapons producer made a golin sword
first, and it is very similar to the LEGO version. I would say these two could
be confused for each other pretty easily; there are differences, but only slight
differences.
http://www.bricklink.com/PL/10050.jpg
http://www.brickforge.com/store/images/P/goblinsword_dkbluegray_front.jpg
The differences in those are about as much as some clones bricks to LEGO bricks.
To be clear, as long as an item is listed as truly what it is (brick arms, brickforge,
megablok, etc etc) and someone isn't trying to sell non LEGO brands as LEGO,
then I'm fine with it being sold here.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 17:50 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, opii writes:
Therein lays the problem. We simply cannot draw a perfectly thin line. There
will always be some blur in line. Maybe terms should define few parameters to
draw line as best as they can. Custom parts can be cool.
| | The differences in those are about as much as some clones bricks to LEGO bricks.
To be clear, as long as an item is listed as truly what it is (brick arms, brickforge,
megablok, etc etc) and someone isn't trying to sell non LEGO brands as LEGO,
then I'm fine with it being sold here.
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Yeah but then same argument can be sued with megablok. What if seller is selling
megablok as megablok and not as lego? I certainly do not want megablok to be
legit here for any reason period.
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| In Suggestions, j7r7o7c7k7 writes:
| | | | Therein lays the problem. We simply cannot draw a perfectly thin line. There
will always be some blur in line. Maybe terms should define few parameters to
draw line as best as they can. Custom parts can be cool.
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Why cant we? If Lego made it, then it can be sold here. If not then it shouldn't
be here. Pretty easy line to draw to me. Maybe im crazy. lol 
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See my other post about Lego licensed items.
| | | | Yeah but then same argument can be sued with megablok. What if seller is selling
megablok as megablok and not as lego? I certainly do not want megablok to be
legit here for any reason period.
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So you are OK with one persons brand but not another persons? Not liking a brand
its one thing, bending a rule to allow the brand you do like is playing favorites
and not right. But thats my opinion.
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Megalok is brand designed specifically to be competitor with Lego. Custom items
does not. Problem is blurness in definition of "Custom" and "Clone".
| | What is so bad about mega blocks? I have built with them, they are not that bad.
Yes they are not the same quality as Lego, but there are poor kids out there
that would fall over if you gave them a mega blocks set! After all these are
toys, most meant for kids. Do you want your kids growing up saying we can play
with these friends, but our parents said we cant play with those kids because
there parents don't have as much money as us. Yes kinda extreme, but kinda the
same idea with Lego vs Megablocks.
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Yeah my nephew had megablok. He made few comments on quality, and he was around
10 then. He kept it though as he loves Halo.
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, j7r7o7c7k7 writes:
| | | | Therein lays the problem. We simply cannot draw a perfectly thin line. There
will always be some blur in line. Maybe terms should define few parameters to
draw line as best as they can. Custom parts can be cool.
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Why cant we? If Lego made it, then it can be sold here. If not then it shouldn't
be here. Pretty easy line to draw to me. Maybe im crazy. lol
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See my other post about Lego licensed items.
| | | | Yeah but then same argument can be sued with megablok. What if seller is selling
megablok as megablok and not as lego? I certainly do not want megablok to be
legit here for any reason period.
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So you are OK with one persons brand but not another persons? Not liking a brand
its one thing, bending a rule to allow the brand you do like is playing favorites
and not right. But thats my opinion.
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Megalok is brand designed specifically to be competitor with Lego. Custom items
does not. Problem is blurness in definition of "Custom" and "Clone".
| | What is so bad about mega blocks? I have built with them, they are not that bad.
Yes they are not the same quality as Lego, but there are poor kids out there
that would fall over if you gave them a mega blocks set! After all these are
toys, most meant for kids. Do you want your kids growing up saying we can play
with these friends, but our parents said we cant play with those kids because
there parents don't have as much money as us. Yes kinda extreme, but kinda the
same idea with Lego vs Megablocks.
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Yeah my nephew had megablok. He made few comments on quality, and he was around
10 then. He kept it though as he loves Halo.
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MegaBloks has been making minifig packs for Halo for a while now, like Lego's
Collectible Minifigures. K'nex did that with the MarioKart characters, though
they told you which one was inside. Now K'nex has all 8 of their Kart characters
in a "blind" package. However, their character design and packaging makes it
very easy to figure out which one is inside.
-Ash
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| In Off Topic, ash_274 writes:
| | MegaBloks has been making minifig packs for Halo for a while now, like Lego's
Collectible Minifigures. K'nex did that with the MarioKart characters, though
they told you which one was inside. Now K'nex has all 8 of their Kart characters
in a "blind" package. However, their character design and packaging makes it
very easy to figure out which one is inside.
-Ash
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Yeah one of Halo packs is what my nephew got. I bought 3 of 4 orginial K'nex
figures. I do like Mario, his bro and that dino one, but it sucks that they cut
numbers on Bowser so hard. I never could find one.
That said, K'nex figures is pretty darn low quality. I bought em just because
hey why not. lol
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| In Off Topic, Rolf writes:
| | In Off Topic, ash_274 writes:
| | MegaBloks has been making minifig packs for Halo for a while now, like Lego's
Collectible Minifigures. K'nex did that with the MarioKart characters, though
they told you which one was inside. Now K'nex has all 8 of their Kart characters
in a "blind" package. However, their character design and packaging makes it
very easy to figure out which one is inside.
-Ash
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Yeah one of Halo packs is what my nephew got. I bought 3 of 4 orginial K'nex
figures. I do like Mario, his bro and that dino one, but it sucks that they cut
numbers on Bowser so hard. I never could find one.
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I was able to get two Bowsers. One is still sealed.
| | That said, K'nex figures is pretty darn low quality. I bought em just because
hey why not. lol
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Very low quality compared to Lego, but I've liked Mario Kart since it was on
the SNES and Boswer was always cool. I also have Diddy, Mario, and Toad (and
the spiney blue shell)
-Ash
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| | | What is so bad about mega blocks? I have built with them, they are not that bad.
Yes they are not the same quality as Lego, but there are poor kids out there
that would fall over if you gave them a mega blocks set! After all these are
toys, most meant for kids. Do you want your kids growing up saying we can play
with these friends, but our parents said we cant play with those kids because
there parents don't have as much money as us. Yes kinda extreme, but kinda the
same idea with Lego vs Megablocks.
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My son has been pointing out and bringing me blocks saying "these aren't real
Legos dad"
this is BEFORE I started selling and pulling out the MB and Cobi bricks... He
cared about it before I did.
I'm fine with Megablocks, in fact since I just got a LARGE pile of unsorted,
I'm saving the MB to try and piece together a halo set or two... just for fun.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | opii | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 18:19 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, opii writes:
Therein lays the problem. We simply cannot draw a perfectly thin line. There
will always be some blur in line. Maybe terms should define few parameters to
draw line as best as they can. Custom parts can be cool.
| | The differences in those are about as much as some clones bricks to LEGO bricks.
To be clear, as long as an item is listed as truly what it is (brick arms, brickforge,
megablok, etc etc) and someone isn't trying to sell non LEGO brands as LEGO,
then I'm fine with it being sold here.
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Yeah but then same argument can be sued with megablok. What if seller is selling
megablok as megablok and not as lego? I certainly do not want megablok to be
legit here for any reason period.
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I'm just in the boat that the lines are to blurry as it stands; there have been
are are many 'custom' parts that are too similar to LEGO products so until a
good line is drawn, i'd say all or none.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 22:12 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, opii writes:
Therein lays the problem. We simply cannot draw a perfectly thin line. There
will always be some blur in line. Maybe terms should define few parameters to
draw line as best as they can. Custom parts can be cool.
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There are a couple of other places that one can sell custom parts..
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| | The differences in those are about as much as some clones bricks to LEGO bricks.
To be clear, as long as an item is listed as truly what it is (brick arms, brickforge,
megablok, etc etc) and someone isn't trying to sell non LEGO brands as LEGO,
then I'm fine with it being sold here.
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Here's my issue.. How much of a production facility do you have to have before
you move from custom to clone?
The Taiwan store sells NO lego at all. They are a manufacturer.. They didn't
create 5 kinds of swords, they manufacture thousands of elements.
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Yeah but then same argument can be sued with megablok. What if seller is selling
megablok as megablok and not as lego? I certainly do not want megablok to be
legit here for any reason period.
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But you're ok with other manufacturers being here..
Either erase the line completely or draw it.. if it's plastic and it was made
by Lego, it's ok..
I also don't want megabloks here, but it's totally a human trait.. The leaves,
again, are a perfect example.. The person who did them wasn't satisfied with
non-lego colours, they immediately went to produce identical colours.
Here's my example that my co-workers hate.
I asked this girl once, "if I asked you for money that you were never going to
get back, what's the most you'd give me?"
She said "I don't know, $5"
I said "How about $5.01? it's only one more penny"
"I guess, sure".. she said
"ok, so then $5 wasn't the max, because clearly $5.01 was fine.. so what's the
max?"
She went to $10..
naturally, I said "ok, $10, so not $10.01?"
and I'd continue that forever. The only answer would be it's $10 and NOT $10.01
because yes, it's only a penny, but I have to draw the line somewhere or else
it would be infinite.
In local ads, I'll advertise a set for $150.. I'll get "can you do $120?"
No, it's $150
Give me some sort of deal..
I said "I did, by making it $150, you're getting that deal instead of $189..
Even if you offered me $149, I'd say no, get that extra $1"
Hence the issue here..
where does custom become clone?
and if you draw that line, I'll cross it, just to test if that line is in ink
or just pencil.
The only solution is "any building blocks" or LEGO only.
The trouble is, and always will be, a decision like that, if made by Eric, affects
Dan's familys' income.. Now, should they need to count on this.. Probably not,
but that's not the issue..
How does one make a policy that costs the site money..
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| In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, opii writes:
Therein lays the problem. We simply cannot draw a perfectly thin line. There
will always be some blur in line. Maybe terms should define few parameters to
draw line as best as they can. Custom parts can be cool.
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There are a couple of other places that one can sell custom parts..
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| | The differences in those are about as much as some clones bricks to LEGO bricks.
To be clear, as long as an item is listed as truly what it is (brick arms, brickforge,
megablok, etc etc) and someone isn't trying to sell non LEGO brands as LEGO,
then I'm fine with it being sold here.
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Here's my issue.. How much of a production facility do you have to have before
you move from custom to clone?
The Taiwan store sells NO lego at all. They are a manufacturer.. They didn't
create 5 kinds of swords, they manufacture thousands of elements.
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Yeah but then same argument can be sued with megablok. What if seller is selling
megablok as megablok and not as lego? I certainly do not want megablok to be
legit here for any reason period.
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But you're ok with other manufacturers being here..
Either erase the line completely or draw it.. if it's plastic and it was made
by Lego, it's ok..
I also don't want megabloks here, but it's totally a human trait.. The leaves,
again, are a perfect example.. The person who did them wasn't satisfied with
non-lego colours, they immediately went to produce identical colours.
Here's my example that my co-workers hate.
I asked this girl once, "if I asked you for money that you were never going to
get back, what's the most you'd give me?"
She said "I don't know, $5"
I said "How about $5.01? it's only one more penny"
"I guess, sure".. she said
"ok, so then $5 wasn't the max, because clearly $5.01 was fine.. so what's the
max?"
She went to $10..
naturally, I said "ok, $10, so not $10.01?"
and I'd continue that forever. The only answer would be it's $10 and NOT $10.01
because yes, it's only a penny, but I have to draw the line somewhere or else
it would be infinite.
In local ads, I'll advertise a set for $150.. I'll get "can you do $120?"
No, it's $150
Give me some sort of deal..
I said "I did, by making it $150, you're getting that deal instead of $189..
Even if you offered me $149, I'd say no, get that extra $1"
Hence the issue here..
where does custom become clone?
and if you draw that line, I'll cross it, just to test if that line is in ink
or just pencil.
The only solution is "any building blocks" or LEGO only.
The trouble is, and always will be, a decision like that, if made by Eric, affects
Dan's familys' income.. Now, should they need to count on this.. Probably not,
but that's not the issue..
How does one make a policy that costs the site money..
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Yeah even view I outlined has problems. If you want to allow some kind of customs
there will ALWAYS be something that muddle between custom and clone. Allowing
just Lego and Lego licensed products will limit profits a little. Allowing all
is NOT Dan's vision.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 22:33 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
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| | | | I also don't want megabloks here, but it's totally a human trait.. The leaves,
again, are a perfect example.. The person who did them wasn't satisfied with
non-lego colours, they immediately went to produce identical colours.
Here's my example that my co-workers hate.
I asked this girl once, "if I asked you for money that you were never going to
get back, what's the most you'd give me?"
She said "I don't know, $5"
I said "How about $5.01? it's only one more penny"
"I guess, sure".. she said
"ok, so then $5 wasn't the max, because clearly $5.01 was fine.. so what's the
max?"
She went to $10..
naturally, I said "ok, $10, so not $10.01?"
and I'd continue that forever. The only answer would be it's $10 and NOT $10.01
because yes, it's only a penny, but I have to draw the line somewhere or else
it would be infinite.
In local ads, I'll advertise a set for $150.. I'll get "can you do $120?"
No, it's $150
Give me some sort of deal..
I said "I did, by making it $150, you're getting that deal instead of $189..
Even if you offered me $149, I'd say no, get that extra $1"
Hence the issue here..
where does custom become clone?
and if you draw that line, I'll cross it, just to test if that line is in ink
or just pencil.
The only solution is "any building blocks" or LEGO only.
The trouble is, and always will be, a decision like that, if made by Eric, affects
Dan's familys' income.. Now, should they need to count on this.. Probably not,
but that's not the issue..
How does one make a policy that costs the site money..
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Yeah even view I outlined has problems. If you want to allow some kind of customs
there will ALWAYS be something that muddle between custom and clone. Allowing
just Lego and Lego licensed products will limit profits a little. Allowing all
is NOT Dan's vision.
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I wasn't around when Dan was alive, I don't think anyway. I never talked to
him, never read a post, so I won't pretend to know.
However, do you think Dan would have envisioned a few customizers turning into
production facilities?
Do you think that instead of making a few weapons or parts would have given way
to creating molds, injecting and colour plastic to mass-market product?
As I said, you give an inch, someone WILL take a mile.. after all, money is involved.
I don't know if the Taiwan Bricks care about Dan's vision (they might, but I
don't know), but I know they don't sell ANY LEGO..
do you think that would be Dan's vision, to have someone use his "unofficial
Lego marketplace" to sell absolutely no Lego, just thousands of parts that you've
chosen to mass produce.
My friend got into Primerica and part of her 'training' was telling people about
long term investments projecting to 10% annually!!!
I said that's nuts..
She said that's what it's been long term, over the last 50 years.
What about the last 10?
Much lower of course, sometimes even to the point of losing (over 10 years),
but longer term, it's 10%..
Ok, but the market has changed. The internet is here, information, fraud.. everyone
is investing if they can because we can't count on the gov't..
Does the long term projections take that into account?
No, because there's no data on it.
As much as I appreciate what you are saying is Dan's vision, did he anticipate
that people would be so starved for non-lego pieces that it entices people to
produce their own?
The argument about momo-rail tracks is a valid one.. Lego isn't going to do them
again, so why limit yourself to expensive originals, why not just make your own
and sell them as customs..
Great for you, you can make a bunch of money, 3% of which Bricklink gets and
all those suckers with high priced originals.. well, maybe someone will want
them still.
I think if you start to mass produce it, you must cease to be a customizer, and
not are a competitor/clone.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 16:11 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
You now even have items such as "custom bricks" from Taiwan listed as custom
items - how do you know these aren't actually m*gabl*ks?
If not maybe made after hours in the same factory.
It's this simple: - if it isn't manufactured by TLG - it isn't LeGo, and shouldn't
be available here, there are other venues to sell such items.
You should be aware that TLG whilst not (officially) endorsing this site, certainly
do so un-officially - many times I have been referred to Bricklink for obsolete
parts.
Please return the favour - by NOT allowing ANY and ALL non Lego parts to be listed
here.
Thank You
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I do somewhat agree.
In my eyes:
Custom is parts made for use with Lego, but parts Lego probably will never make.
Clone is parts made in SAME design as Lego part, even in colors never made by
Lego.
IE: modern army gun is custom, but 2x2 brick in glow in dark white which never
was made by Lego is a clone. If some retired part was made again in different
colors, it is still a clone.
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Can you not come up with dozens of parts that MegaBloks make that Lego never
has, but is functional with Lego?
Let's take the colour issue, the leaves were allowed because the colours were
ones that Lego hasn't made, but there are 2x4 blocks in MegaBloks that Lego hasn't
made either.
one is allowed, the other isn't.
And on the leaves, what if Lego then decides to sell in that particular colour,
is the Mass manufacturer of those leaves now expected to stop selling them?
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| In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
You now even have items such as "custom bricks" from Taiwan listed as custom
items - how do you know these aren't actually m*gabl*ks?
If not maybe made after hours in the same factory.
It's this simple: - if it isn't manufactured by TLG - it isn't LeGo, and shouldn't
be available here, there are other venues to sell such items.
You should be aware that TLG whilst not (officially) endorsing this site, certainly
do so un-officially - many times I have been referred to Bricklink for obsolete
parts.
Please return the favour - by NOT allowing ANY and ALL non Lego parts to be listed
here.
Thank You
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I do somewhat agree.
In my eyes:
Custom is parts made for use with Lego, but parts Lego probably will never make.
Clone is parts made in SAME design as Lego part, even in colors never made by
Lego.
IE: modern army gun is custom, but 2x2 brick in glow in dark white which never
was made by Lego is a clone. If some retired part was made again in different
colors, it is still a clone.
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Can you not come up with dozens of parts that MegaBloks make that Lego never
has, but is functional with Lego?
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I answered that in other post. Basically, if brand also sells parts that Lego
also makes, then everything that brand sells is a clone.
| | Let's take the colour issue, the leaves were allowed because the colours were
ones that Lego hasn't made, but there are 2x4 blocks in MegaBloks that Lego hasn't
made either.
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No, I would say that those leaves, even made in colors never made by Lego, should
not be allowed period. If I remember right, my stance was bit different then,
but I think that now.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 21:29 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | Can you not come up with dozens of parts that MegaBloks make that Lego never
has, but is functional with Lego?
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I answered that in other post. Basically, if brand also sells parts that Lego
also makes, then everything that brand sells is a clone.
| | Let's take the colour issue, the leaves were allowed because the colours were
ones that Lego hasn't made, but there are 2x4 blocks in MegaBloks that Lego hasn't
made either.
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No, I would say that those leaves, even made in colors never made by Lego, should
not be allowed period. If I remember right, my stance was bit different then,
but I think that now.
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And, to be clear, you would also believe that that seller should not be allowed
to sell any other "custom" items either, because by creating a clone part,
everything they make is now a clone. Right?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 21:56 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | Can you not come up with dozens of parts that MegaBloks make that Lego never
has, but is functional with Lego?
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I answered that in other post. Basically, if brand also sells parts that Lego
also makes, then everything that brand sells is a clone.
| | Let's take the colour issue, the leaves were allowed because the colours were
ones that Lego hasn't made, but there are 2x4 blocks in MegaBloks that Lego hasn't
made either.
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No, I would say that those leaves, even made in colors never made by Lego, should
not be allowed period. If I remember right, my stance was bit different then,
but I think that now.
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And, to be clear, you would also believe that that seller should not be allowed
to sell any other "custom" items either, because by creating a clone part,
everything they make is now a clone. Right?
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Marc.
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Yeah. That is easily solvable by seller though, just stop selling those leaves
(or whatever Clone defined item).
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| | | | | | | Author: | bb314137 | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 15:19 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, j7r7o7c7k7 writes:
| | I have to run, I have some custom megablocks to list in my store.
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| | | | | | | Author: | MouseMotors | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 15:29 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | Honestly how can you sell something "custom" made on here but you cant sell megablocks
on here? Same thing to me. I personally have nothing against megablocks or joe
blows brand. But if your going to allow one, you have to allow them all! No favorites
here, just because you like one and not the other. If you don't allow megablock,
then you shouldn't allow joe blows custom guns or whatever. Pretty cut to the
point.
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This is what I'm getting at. I understand why you would not want clone 2x2's
or whatever. But what if Mega Bloks made a AK-47 or some other utensil or weapon
that was not a clone of a Lego design? Would that be ok?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | firefly | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 17:13 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, MorrisMouse writes:
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| | Honestly how can you sell something "custom" made on here but you cant sell megablocks
on here? Same thing to me. I personally have nothing against megablocks or joe
blows brand. But if your going to allow one, you have to allow them all! No favorites
here, just because you like one and not the other. If you don't allow megablock,
then you shouldn't allow joe blows custom guns or whatever. Pretty cut to the
point.
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This is what I'm getting at. I understand why you would not want clone 2x2's
or whatever. But what if Mega Bloks made a AK-47 or some other utensil or weapon
that was not a clone of a Lego design? Would that be ok?
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No, it would not be ok. And the reason for that, or rather, the distinction
between clone and custom, is a matter of production scale and the nature of the
entity behind that production. The line may be difficult to define (but not
necessarily difficult to find here) because it depended (and still does depend)
on the mission and vision of this site's creator, one extraordinary person.
And a few average slobs entrusted to carry it out. Historically, when the helpers
pushed the line too far this way or that, the extraordinary person stepped in
with the reigns and a whip and a chair, the phrase "arbitrary and capricious"
was bandied about, and everyone went back to the business of enjoying what was
allowed for sale instead of worrying (too much) about what wasn't. Permanent
strictly defined and followable policy? That's for sissies.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb138026 | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 03:15 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | No, it would not be ok. And the reason for that, or rather, the distinction
between clone and custom, is a matter of production scale and the nature of the
entity behind that production.
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Fully agreed.
Speaking strictly as a buyer, I really enjoy having easy access on bricklink
to pieces such as custom-made aluminium technic pieces (liftarms, axles, gears).
Please don't forbid them!
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| | | | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 19:19 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, j7r7o7c7k7 writes:
| | I really don't see how there is any fine line or room for interpretation or whatever
other garbage someone wants to throw out there.
If Lego made it, then sell it here.
If not, THEN IT SHOULDN'T BE HERE!
End of story. How hard is that? Pretty easy and clear to me. No fine line, NODDA.
Lego= Bricklink
Other = Not Bricklink
I personally don't care whats sold here, I got lots of other stuff if we start
bending the rules for things we like. If they want to allow us to sell Lego like
items or anything else im fine with it. But if the rules say "Lego only" I don't
see where there is any argument whats so ever.
What it comes down to, ether re-write the rules to allow them.
Or don't allow them.
And yes I read the rules and what not. But it just sounds like playing favorites
to me. You cant sell your customs, but you can. You need to have a solid no room
for error for stuff like this or you might as well not have rules! Because there
is always that, maybe we can bend the rules a little for this one and not for
this one and BLA BLA BLA.
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Problem is there is items made by other companies with Lego brand IE: licensed
from Lego. Quite a bit of items are of interest to us would have to be removed.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Timothy_Smith | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 20:44 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, j7r7o7c7k7 writes:
| | I really don't see how there is any fine line or room for interpretation or whatever
other garbage someone wants to throw out there.
If Lego made it, then sell it here.
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If LEGO made it, it's not custom.
There's a long-standing tradition of allowing BLers to sell fan-created items.
Items which fill a gap, not items which replace standard pieces.
3x5 brick? Custom.
2x4, not custom.
See how easy it is? Why make it more difficult?
If somebody is selling home-made recreations of items Lego makes, that's a clone
piece.
Cutting capes from your own material is forbidden. Molding weapons Lego doesn't
use, not forbidden.
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| In Suggestions, Timothy_Smith writes:
| | In Suggestions, j7r7o7c7k7 writes:
| | I really don't see how there is any fine line or room for interpretation or whatever
other garbage someone wants to throw out there.
If Lego made it, then sell it here.
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If LEGO made it, it's not custom.
There's a long-standing tradition of allowing BLers to sell fan-created items.
Items which fill a gap, not items which replace standard pieces.
3x5 brick? Custom.
2x4, not custom.
See how easy it is? Why make it more difficult?
If somebody is selling home-made recreations of items Lego makes, that's a clone
piece.
Cutting capes from your own material is forbidden. Molding weapons Lego doesn't
use, not forbidden.
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Making leaves (Lego's shape and design) but in a new color: allowed?
Taking a piece Lego made in chrome but taking plain ones and chroming your own
supply of them: allowed?
-Ash
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 21:36 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Timothy_Smith writes:
| | If somebody is selling home-made recreations of items Lego makes, that's a clone
piece.
Cutting capes from your own material is forbidden. Molding weapons Lego doesn't
use, not forbidden.
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Those are interesting examples, because I think that you are incorrect about
the capes. I'm pretty certain that cutting capes for your own material would
be accepted as a custom item on BrickLink.
http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?itemStatus=U&q=cape
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| | | | | Author: | BLUSER_8789 | | Posted: | Nov 13, 2012 20:32 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
You now even have items such as "custom bricks" from Taiwan listed as custom
items - how do you know these aren't actually m*gabl*ks?
If not maybe made after hours in the same factory.
It's this simple: - if it isn't manufactured by TLG - it isn't LeGo, and shouldn't
be available here, there are other venues to sell such items.
You should be aware that TLG whilst not (officially) endorsing this site, certainly
do so un-officially - many times I have been referred to Bricklink for obsolete
parts.
Please return the favour - by NOT allowing ANY and ALL non Lego parts to be listed
here.
Thank You
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Taiwan? You are aware that there are more North American custom parts makers
than from Asia...
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| | | | | Author: | LEtgomyeGO | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 10:26 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| It seems to me that the key line in the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" is:
For custom items without original LEGO content, the item's primary purpose
must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection.
Mega Bloks do not have the primary purpose of being used with Lego or
supplementing a Lego collection. The word Lego doesn't show up on their site.
Brickarms does seem to have a primary purpose of being used with Lego
or supplementing a Lego collection. They use Lego minifigs to show their products
and their FAQs refer to items being designed to work with Lego.
Mega Bloks doesn't meet the criteria, Brickarms does. (The aluminum Technic
parts would also meet the criteria as I see it)
As for "custom" capes, if they are virtually identical to Lego capes - not allowed
because they are knock offs of Lego items.
As for "custom" capes or torsos with printing on them, I think the issues of
copyright and/or trademark should be included. For example, if I make a "custom"
Superman cape with a DC Superman logo printed on it - not allowed because I am
violating copyright and/or trademark.
My 2 cents.
David
LEtgomyeGO
In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | I am aware the subject comes up periodically;
but to keep up the pressure, and to keep to what I believe was Dan's vision.
PLEASE stop allowing fakes being listed as "custom"
In my mind it is a clear: - a custom item will be quite simply an item that was
created from items manufactured (not necessarily sold or made publicly available)
by TLG
You now even have items such as "custom bricks" from Taiwan listed as custom
items - how do you know these aren't actually m*gabl*ks?
If not maybe made after hours in the same factory.
It's this simple: - if it isn't manufactured by TLG - it isn't LeGo, and shouldn't
be available here, there are other venues to sell such items.
You should be aware that TLG whilst not (officially) endorsing this site, certainly
do so un-officially - many times I have been referred to Bricklink for obsolete
parts.
Please return the favour - by NOT allowing ANY and ALL non Lego parts to be listed
here.
Thank You
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | LEtgomyeGO | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 11:37 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| While I think the idea of adding a sports card of a sports figure to a minifig
of the same sports figure makes sense (and could increase he value of both),
I think the "primary purpose" would keep it off of BL (the primary purpose of
the sports card has nothing to do with Lego)
That said, one could list the minifig and include "free sports trading card with
order" - thereby allowing the listing (the minifig is what's being sold, not
the card)
David
In Suggestions, j7r7o7c7k7 writes:
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I have a bunch of basketball cards that I need to list as customs on here. They
are not made by Lego. They are made by Topps and Upperdeck etc. I know what you
are thinking, why basketball cards what the heck do they have to do with cards?
Well people don't like the cards in these sets. Me selling my cards would make
these sets hot again! And I know people don't like them because there is a site
I buy cards off of, and they "only sell cards" and they have these on there.
So they are really selling Lego stuff as well. Kinda funny but....
And they would compliment these very nice. Put a shinny card with a autograph
behind these babies and they will be the center of your collection. Kinda funny
I was being sarcastic, but I really do have the Jason Kidd and Kobe figs, and
I also happen to have several cards of both players? Maybe I should list them,
I see it falling within that rule very well. I mean, heck Lego would want me
to do it. They made a slot in the back to hold the card for me. That write there
tells all!
I also happen to have a couple 1970's starwars cards, I think they would look
great behind these
I really did have these sets as well. Sold them over the summer.
But heck I don't need to have the sets to sell the cards anyway. They are intended
to compliment your collection anyway, not mine.
Just something to think about. Because I have 1,000's of sports cards!! I will
be glad to sell them here, ebay kills me on fees.
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| My position has nothing to do with "like" or "not like." My suggestion for a
method to determine what can or can not be listed has to do with the using the
"Item for Sale Listing Policy" of Bricklink.
If the items being considered have, as their primary purpose, to be "used
with LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - then they're okay. If they don't
they're not.
Whether or not someone "likes" the item or not.
I'm pretty sure if you ask makers of sports cards what the "primary purpose"
is of their product, they're not going to say, "To be used with LEGO or to supplement
a Lego collection."
It's not whether the person buying or selling thinks the item will be "used with
LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - it's whether or not the individual
or company making the item has that intention.
David
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 12:30 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, LEtgomyeGO writes:
| | My position has nothing to do with "like" or "not like." My suggestion for a
method to determine what can or can not be listed has to do with the using the
"Item for Sale Listing Policy" of Bricklink.
If the items being considered have, as their primary purpose, to be "used
with LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - then they're okay. If they don't
they're not.
Whether or not someone "likes" the item or not.
I'm pretty sure if you ask makers of sports cards what the "primary purpose"
is of their product, they're not going to say, "To be used with LEGO or to supplement
a Lego collection."
It's not whether the person buying or selling thinks the item will be "used with
LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - it's whether or not the individual
or company making the item has that intention.
David
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Based on your definition above, can you say with certainty that the owners of
MegaBrands never made their product to be used with Lego or to supplement a Lego
Collection?
Mega Bloks will never reference Lego on their site, it's not good for their brand
and they have no permission to do so from Lego..
But they were created as a lower cost alternative.. Why else make them the same
size as Lego.. They could have made bricks 4 plates high, not 3.. could have
made the studs bigger or smaller, but they didn't.
Mega Bloks probably likes nothing better than to put on the same plane as Lego.
half of local ads that I see for Mega bloks references this too, "compatible
with Lego", "Just like Lego", "Fits with lego"
they may not outwardly say they are to be used with Lego, but you know that was
their goal.
The progression here at Bricklink, in my eyes of course,
Brickarms.. - ok, not so bad, can be used with Lego
East Asian weapons and shields..- same as above.
East Asian 'mud bricks' - err, ok, well, Lego has never done mud bricks, I suppose
that's ok.
Lego Elements in other colours - I guess since Lego never made them in that colour,
they could be ok.
oops.. Lego elements in production colours - ok.. that passed the line. perhaps.
The trouble with people, especially when money is involved, you draw a line,
someone will push forward, just to make sure that line is solid.. and if it's
not, then it's good for them.
Monorail tracks (home made) supplement Lego products.. lego doesn't make them
anymore, so is that fair game?
Light Bluish Grey masts.. Lego only made them in one set, no sign that they will
do so again, is that fine?
if it wasn't already shown that people can't handle a light line, it'd be fine
leaving it at your definition, but if you can say that a single Mega Bloks element
supplements a Lego project, you've opened the door.
and in the case of the bricks from Taiwan, they sell nothing Lego on the site..
They are (as per their terms) a "MANUFACTURER". Their bricks can be used with
Lego.. MeagBrands is a manufacturer, their bricks can be used with Lego.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | firefly | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 12:38 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Suggestions, LEtgomyeGO writes:
| | My position has nothing to do with "like" or "not like." My suggestion for a
method to determine what can or can not be listed has to do with the using the
"Item for Sale Listing Policy" of Bricklink.
If the items being considered have, as their primary purpose, to be "used
with LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - then they're okay. If they don't
they're not.
Whether or not someone "likes" the item or not.
I'm pretty sure if you ask makers of sports cards what the "primary purpose"
is of their product, they're not going to say, "To be used with LEGO or to supplement
a Lego collection."
It's not whether the person buying or selling thinks the item will be "used with
LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - it's whether or not the individual
or company making the item has that intention.
David
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Based on your definition above, can you say with certainty that the owners of
MegaBrands never made their product to be used with Lego or to supplement a Lego
Collection?
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You are now forgetting the "primary purpose" language. What is it with people
being selectively blind while reading
"LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product or have something to do with it. Other brand products such as MegaBloks
are not allowed on this site. For custom items without original LEGO content,
the item's primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement a Lego
collection."
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Is it like the selective omission of "as part of a duly constituted militia"
when USAians argue about their 2nd Amendment?
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Mega Bloks will never reference Lego on their site, it's not good for their brand
and they have no permission to do so from Lego..
But they were created as a lower cost alternative.. Why else make them the same
size as Lego.. They could have made bricks 4 plates high, not 3.. could have
made the studs bigger or smaller, but they didn't.
Mega Bloks probably likes nothing better than to put on the same plane as Lego.
half of local ads that I see for Mega bloks references this too, "compatible
with Lego", "Just like Lego", "Fits with lego"
they may not outwardly say they are to be used with Lego, but you know that was
their goal.
The progression here at Bricklink, in my eyes of course,
Brickarms.. - ok, not so bad, can be used with Lego
East Asian weapons and shields..- same as above.
East Asian 'mud bricks' - err, ok, well, Lego has never done mud bricks, I suppose
that's ok.
Lego Elements in other colours - I guess since Lego never made them in that colour,
they could be ok.
oops.. Lego elements in production colours - ok.. that passed the line. perhaps.
The trouble with people, especially when money is involved, you draw a line,
someone will push forward, just to make sure that line is solid.. and if it's
not, then it's good for them.
Monorail tracks (home made) supplement Lego products.. lego doesn't make them
anymore, so is that fair game?
Light Bluish Grey masts.. Lego only made them in one set, no sign that they will
do so again, is that fine?
if it wasn't already shown that people can't handle a light line, it'd be fine
leaving it at your definition, but if you can say that a single Mega Bloks element
supplements a Lego project, you've opened the door.
and in the case of the bricks from Taiwan, they sell nothing Lego on the site..
They are (as per their terms) a "MANUFACTURER". Their bricks can be used with
Lego.. MeagBrands is a manufacturer, their bricks can be used with Lego.
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| In Suggestions, firefly writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Suggestions, LEtgomyeGO writes:
| | My position has nothing to do with "like" or "not like." My suggestion for a
method to determine what can or can not be listed has to do with the using the
"Item for Sale Listing Policy" of Bricklink.
If the items being considered have, as their primary purpose, to be "used
with LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - then they're okay. If they don't
they're not.
Whether or not someone "likes" the item or not.
I'm pretty sure if you ask makers of sports cards what the "primary purpose"
is of their product, they're not going to say, "To be used with LEGO or to supplement
a Lego collection."
It's not whether the person buying or selling thinks the item will be "used with
LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - it's whether or not the individual
or company making the item has that intention.
David
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Based on your definition above, can you say with certainty that the owners of
MegaBrands never made their product to be used with Lego or to supplement a Lego
Collection?
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You are now forgetting the "primary purpose" language. What is it with people
being selectively blind while reading
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I am not being selective or blind about it, I'm disagreeing with you.
I'm arguing that one can make a case that MegaBloks can have "something to do"
with Lego
You are suggesting that no one could possibly have the opinion that MegaBloks
has something to do with Lego, but as soon as you have a MB product that can
help out a Lego MOC, you've established a connection.
I'd cut that statement off at this
"LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product..
"Something" to do with it is very vague and if you can make an argument for manufactured
mud bricks, I can mirror that with Tyco, MegaBloks, what have you.
| | "LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product or have something to do with it. Other brand products such as MegaBloks
are not allowed on this site. For custom items without original LEGO content,
the item's primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement a Lego
collection."
?
Is it like the selective omission of "as part of a duly constituted militia"
when USAians argue about their 2nd Amendment?
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Mega Bloks will never reference Lego on their site, it's not good for their brand
and they have no permission to do so from Lego..
But they were created as a lower cost alternative.. Why else make them the same
size as Lego.. They could have made bricks 4 plates high, not 3.. could have
made the studs bigger or smaller, but they didn't.
Mega Bloks probably likes nothing better than to put on the same plane as Lego.
half of local ads that I see for Mega bloks references this too, "compatible
with Lego", "Just like Lego", "Fits with lego"
they may not outwardly say they are to be used with Lego, but you know that was
their goal.
The progression here at Bricklink, in my eyes of course,
Brickarms.. - ok, not so bad, can be used with Lego
East Asian weapons and shields..- same as above.
East Asian 'mud bricks' - err, ok, well, Lego has never done mud bricks, I suppose
that's ok.
Lego Elements in other colours - I guess since Lego never made them in that colour,
they could be ok.
oops.. Lego elements in production colours - ok.. that passed the line. perhaps.
The trouble with people, especially when money is involved, you draw a line,
someone will push forward, just to make sure that line is solid.. and if it's
not, then it's good for them.
Monorail tracks (home made) supplement Lego products.. lego doesn't make them
anymore, so is that fair game?
Light Bluish Grey masts.. Lego only made them in one set, no sign that they will
do so again, is that fine?
if it wasn't already shown that people can't handle a light line, it'd be fine
leaving it at your definition, but if you can say that a single Mega Bloks element
supplements a Lego project, you've opened the door.
and in the case of the bricks from Taiwan, they sell nothing Lego on the site..
They are (as per their terms) a "MANUFACTURER". Their bricks can be used with
Lego.. MeagBrands is a manufacturer, their bricks can be used with Lego.
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| In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Suggestions, firefly writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Suggestions, LEtgomyeGO writes:
| | My position has nothing to do with "like" or "not like." My suggestion for a
method to determine what can or can not be listed has to do with the using the
"Item for Sale Listing Policy" of Bricklink.
If the items being considered have, as their primary purpose, to be "used
with LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - then they're okay. If they don't
they're not.
Whether or not someone "likes" the item or not.
I'm pretty sure if you ask makers of sports cards what the "primary purpose"
is of their product, they're not going to say, "To be used with LEGO or to supplement
a Lego collection."
It's not whether the person buying or selling thinks the item will be "used with
LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - it's whether or not the individual
or company making the item has that intention.
David
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Based on your definition above, can you say with certainty that the owners of
MegaBrands never made their product to be used with Lego or to supplement a Lego
Collection?
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You are now forgetting the "primary purpose" language. What is it with people
being selectively blind while reading
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I am not being selective or blind about it, I'm disagreeing with you.
I'm arguing that one can make a case that MegaBloks can have "something to do"
with Lego
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You've just proved my point: of course you can make a case about the "something
to do with". But that isn't how it's written. It's written to include considering
"primary purpose". You really think you can get away with "Mega Brands products
have the primary purpose of working with LEGO brand products"?
| | You are suggesting that no one could possibly have the opinion that MegaBloks
has something to do with Lego,
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I'm suggesting no such thing. I don't think anybody here ever did.
| | but as soon as you have a MB product that can
help out a Lego MOC, you've established a connection.
I'd cut that statement off at this
"LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product..
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Well then, don't cut it off there and presumably you'll have an easier time understanding
how to employ what *is* written. But apparently not. But I still think
Dan was a genius at getting such things worded exactly how he meant them.
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"Something" to do with it is very vague and if you can make an argument for manufactured
mud bricks, I can mirror that with Tyco, MegaBloks, what have you.
| | "LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product or have something to do with it. Other brand products such as MegaBloks
are not allowed on this site. For custom items without original LEGO content,
the item's primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement a Lego
collection."
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Is it like the selective omission of "as part of a duly constituted militia"
when USAians argue about their 2nd Amendment?
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Mega Bloks will never reference Lego on their site, it's not good for their brand
and they have no permission to do so from Lego..
But they were created as a lower cost alternative.. Why else make them the same
size as Lego.. They could have made bricks 4 plates high, not 3.. could have
made the studs bigger or smaller, but they didn't.
Mega Bloks probably likes nothing better than to put on the same plane as Lego.
half of local ads that I see for Mega bloks references this too, "compatible
with Lego", "Just like Lego", "Fits with lego"
they may not outwardly say they are to be used with Lego, but you know that was
their goal.
The progression here at Bricklink, in my eyes of course,
Brickarms.. - ok, not so bad, can be used with Lego
East Asian weapons and shields..- same as above.
East Asian 'mud bricks' - err, ok, well, Lego has never done mud bricks, I suppose
that's ok.
Lego Elements in other colours - I guess since Lego never made them in that colour,
they could be ok.
oops.. Lego elements in production colours - ok.. that passed the line. perhaps.
The trouble with people, especially when money is involved, you draw a line,
someone will push forward, just to make sure that line is solid.. and if it's
not, then it's good for them.
Monorail tracks (home made) supplement Lego products.. lego doesn't make them
anymore, so is that fair game?
Light Bluish Grey masts.. Lego only made them in one set, no sign that they will
do so again, is that fine?
if it wasn't already shown that people can't handle a light line, it'd be fine
leaving it at your definition, but if you can say that a single Mega Bloks element
supplements a Lego project, you've opened the door.
and in the case of the bricks from Taiwan, they sell nothing Lego on the site..
They are (as per their terms) a "MANUFACTURER". Their bricks can be used with
Lego.. MeagBrands is a manufacturer, their bricks can be used with Lego.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 22:19 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, firefly writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | I am not being selective or blind about it, I'm disagreeing with you.
I'm arguing that one can make a case that MegaBloks can have "something to do"
with Lego
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You've just proved my point: of course you can make a case about the "something
to do with". But that isn't how it's written. It's written to include considering
"primary purpose". You really think you can get away with "Mega Brands products
have the primary purpose of working with LEGO brand products"?
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Absolutely. MegaBloks were specifically designed with precisely that purpose
-- to work with LEGO. That is, without a doubt, the primary purpose of their
design.
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Marc.
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, firefly writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | I am not being selective or blind about it, I'm disagreeing with you.
I'm arguing that one can make a case that MegaBloks can have "something to do"
with Lego
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You've just proved my point: of course you can make a case about the "something
to do with". But that isn't how it's written. It's written to include considering
"primary purpose". You really think you can get away with "Mega Brands products
have the primary purpose of working with LEGO brand products"?
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Absolutely. MegaBloks were specifically designed with precisely that purpose
-- to work with LEGO. That is, without a doubt, the primary purpose of their
design.
--
Marc.
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No. While the basic elements of the design are similar (not in fact exactly
the same, measurement wise), the product's primary purpose is to compete with
LEGO for market share and useful profit margin. They were created with "we can
make that cheaper, sell them cheaper, and still make plenty of money even with
less market share" in mind. The design was crafted to take advantage of the
already existing competitor's product in order to convince people that they needn't
make a large investment in yet another construction system. Working with LEGO
is not their primary purpose. Just like K'nex's new brick parts do not have
the primary purpose of working with LEGO. In that case, they have the primary
purpose of expanding the utility of K'nex. "If that means needing to be compatible
with other brands, then that's what we'll do." This argument is not mere semantics.
It is at the heart of understanding the distinction between Custom and Clone
because that was envisioned as being at least partially based on the 'corporate'
nature of the products' producers.
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| In Suggestions, firefly writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, firefly writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | I am not being selective or blind about it, I'm disagreeing with you.
I'm arguing that one can make a case that MegaBloks can have "something to do"
with Lego
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You've just proved my point: of course you can make a case about the "something
to do with". But that isn't how it's written. It's written to include considering
"primary purpose". You really think you can get away with "Mega Brands products
have the primary purpose of working with LEGO brand products"?
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Absolutely. MegaBloks were specifically designed with precisely that purpose
-- to work with LEGO. That is, without a doubt, the primary purpose of their
design.
--
Marc.
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No. While the basic elements of the design are similar (not in fact exactly
the same, measurement wise), the product's primary purpose is to compete with
LEGO for market share and useful profit margin. They were created with "we can
make that cheaper, sell them cheaper, and still make plenty of money even with
less market share" in mind. The design was crafted to take advantage of the
already existing competitor's product in order to convince people that they needn't
make a large investment in yet another construction system. Working with LEGO
is not their primary purpose. Just like K'nex's new brick parts do not have
the primary purpose of working with LEGO. In that case, they have the primary
purpose of expanding the utility of K'nex. "If that means needing to be compatible
with other brands, then that's what we'll do." This argument is not mere semantics.
It is at the heart of understanding the distinction between Custom and Clone
because that was envisioned as being at least partially based on the 'corporate'
nature of the products' producers.
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I understand what you are saying, but I disagree.
| | [MegaBloks' product's] primary purpose is to compete with LEGO for market share and useful profit margin.
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The first concern is that you are assuming that you know MB's motivation.
Now, I'm not going to disagree that profit motive is pretty high on the list
of any corporation. But on what grounds can you claim that this is their primary
purpose? Perhaps it's simply making an affordable, thought-provoking toy. Now,
if that was MB's "primary purpose" then you could just as easily argue that it
still wouldn't qualify as a "custom" by BL's definition.
The underlying issue, though, concerns "purpose". You ascribe purpose to the
object based on the motivation of the manufacturer. I ascribe purpose based on
design considerations.
Why are MegaBloks bricks the size and shape that they are? What functional purpose
does the design serve?
There are literally an infinite number of ways that you can design interlocking
plastic toys. Why did MegaBloks choose the design that they did? Or, to ask the
parallel question, why did BrickTW choose the design that they did? http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=bricktw
The answer is clear: "To work with Lego."
That is the purpose of their design. It is the primary functional purpose of
the design. If that had not been the primary design requirement, then the parts
would NOT work with Lego, since there are literally an infinite number of other
possible designs.
On to market share!
Do the owners of BrickArms prefer if a consumer buys Lego brand minifigure accessories,
or that they buy BrickArms accessories?
They'd rather we buy their product. That's the very definition of "compet[ing]
with
LEGO for market share". Every for-profit manufacturer that makes Lego-compatible
parts is competing for market share against Lego.
Even I am competing for market share against Lego on the retail front
(not the manufacturing side). I prefer that consumers buy parts from me instead
of S@H. So using "compete with LEGO for market share" as a way to ascribe motivations
is fairly useless.
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Marc.
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, firefly writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, firefly writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | I am not being selective or blind about it, I'm disagreeing with you.
I'm arguing that one can make a case that MegaBloks can have "something to do"
with Lego
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You've just proved my point: of course you can make a case about the "something
to do with". But that isn't how it's written. It's written to include considering
"primary purpose". You really think you can get away with "Mega Brands products
have the primary purpose of working with LEGO brand products"?
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Absolutely. MegaBloks were specifically designed with precisely that purpose
-- to work with LEGO. That is, without a doubt, the primary purpose of their
design.
--
Marc.
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No. While the basic elements of the design are similar (not in fact exactly
the same, measurement wise), the product's primary purpose is to compete with
LEGO for market share and useful profit margin. They were created with "we can
make that cheaper, sell them cheaper, and still make plenty of money even with
less market share" in mind. The design was crafted to take advantage of the
already existing competitor's product in order to convince people that they needn't
make a large investment in yet another construction system. Working with LEGO
is not their primary purpose. Just like K'nex's new brick parts do not have
the primary purpose of working with LEGO. In that case, they have the primary
purpose of expanding the utility of K'nex. "If that means needing to be compatible
with other brands, then that's what we'll do." This argument is not mere semantics.
It is at the heart of understanding the distinction between Custom and Clone
because that was envisioned as being at least partially based on the 'corporate'
nature of the products' producers.
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I understand what you are saying, but I disagree.
| | [MegaBloks' product's] primary purpose is to compete with LEGO for market share and useful profit margin.
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The first concern is that you are assuming that you know MB's motivation.
Now, I'm not going to disagree that profit motive is pretty high on the list
of any corporation. But on what grounds can you claim that this is their primary
purpose? Perhaps it's simply making an affordable, thought-provoking toy. Now,
if that was MB's "primary purpose" then you could just as easily argue that it
still wouldn't qualify as a "custom" by BL's definition.
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To me, the issue isn't about if it would qualify here as custom or clone, it's
about why something is categorized here as custom or clone.
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The underlying issue, though, concerns "purpose". You ascribe purpose to the
object based on the motivation of the manufacturer. I ascribe purpose based on
design considerations.
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Indeed, I realized after my post the extent to which we were placing different
emphasis on product versus design of product. But I could argue that this at
least is only semantics.
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Why are MegaBloks bricks the size and shape that they are? What functional purpose
does the design serve?
There are literally an infinite number of ways that you can design interlocking
plastic toys. Why did MegaBloks choose the design that they did? Or, to ask the
parallel question, why did BrickTW choose the design that they did? http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=bricktw
The answer is clear: "To work with Lego."
That is the purpose of their design. It is the primary functional purpose of
the design. If that had not been the primary design requirement, then the parts
would NOT work with Lego, since there are literally an infinite number of other
possible designs.
On to market share!
Do the owners of BrickArms prefer if a consumer buys Lego brand minifigure accessories,
or that they buy BrickArms accessories?
They'd rather we buy their product. That's the very definition of "compet[ing]
with
LEGO for market share". Every for-profit manufacturer that makes Lego-compatible
parts is competing for market share against Lego.
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And thus the tendency to label as "custom" those part designs which LEGO doesn't
make - it's a less direct sort of competition. But then you'll probably say,
"MB makes parts LEGO doesn't so why aren't those "custom"? Answer, because the
definition of, or distinction between, custom and clone *here* includes considerations
of producer size and type of organzation.
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Even I am competing for market share against Lego on the retail front
(not the manufacturing side). I prefer that consumers buy parts from me instead
of S@H. So using "compete with LEGO for market share" as a way to ascribe motivations
is fairly useless.
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Marc.
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I get what you're saying but I have to point out, it isn't a way to ascribe motivations,
it's a statement of reality. The definition/distinction used here between custom
and clone doesn't actually involve motivations, real or imagined. As I mentioned
above, the nature of the "entity" behind the product is involved. Now *that*
may be real or imagined by an admin but nonetheless, that's what's evaluated.
Just for fun, I wonder if perhaps an analogy of how we are seeing this is:
My primary motivation for getting up in the morning is to go to work to make
money so I can spend it on things I can do after work (like LEGOing - patent
and trademark pending on the term  ) and the design is in my intention that
I will do those things. Whereas, your primary motivation for getting up is to
to do the things you do after work, and making money is the way you designed
of being able to do them. Or vice versa
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| Is anyone else having the problem with trouble makers deleting items from your
inventory by falsely claiming it is a custom item when it is just an item from
the catalog with a note on it. I consider anyone being able to delete items
from my account to be a MAJOR security hole and need to have the ability to deny
such requests.
The rules of the site state that ALL items listed must be Lego brand. I am not
listing non-Lego items, just incomplete figures or items with notes on them.
This does not make them custom items.
A custom item is a set you created or a figure you painted to look like Cher
or George Washington or something. I consider customs items to have a creative
aspect, not be non-Lego or homemade part shapes and sizes.
The ones that really get me are Pico-Cricket parts. They have actual LEGO brand
parts attached to them sometimes, but they are not in the Bricklink catalog because
they are technically from another company. If the Lego company is actually letting
Pico-Cricket use their parts under a license I could see putting those in the
Bricklink catalog, but they are very odd exception to most of what people have
been talking about.
In Suggestions, firefly writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Suggestions, firefly writes:
| | In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Suggestions, LEtgomyeGO writes:
| | My position has nothing to do with "like" or "not like." My suggestion for a
method to determine what can or can not be listed has to do with the using the
"Item for Sale Listing Policy" of Bricklink.
If the items being considered have, as their primary purpose, to be "used
with LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - then they're okay. If they don't
they're not.
Whether or not someone "likes" the item or not.
I'm pretty sure if you ask makers of sports cards what the "primary purpose"
is of their product, they're not going to say, "To be used with LEGO or to supplement
a Lego collection."
It's not whether the person buying or selling thinks the item will be "used with
LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - it's whether or not the individual
or company making the item has that intention.
David
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Based on your definition above, can you say with certainty that the owners of
MegaBrands never made their product to be used with Lego or to supplement a Lego
Collection?
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You are now forgetting the "primary purpose" language. What is it with people
being selectively blind while reading
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I am not being selective or blind about it, I'm disagreeing with you.
I'm arguing that one can make a case that MegaBloks can have "something to do"
with Lego
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You've just proved my point: of course you can make a case about the "something
to do with". But that isn't how it's written. It's written to include considering
"primary purpose". You really think you can get away with "Mega Brands products
have the primary purpose of working with LEGO brand products"?
| | You are suggesting that no one could possibly have the opinion that MegaBloks
has something to do with Lego,
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I'm suggesting no such thing. I don't think anybody here ever did.
| | but as soon as you have a MB product that can
help out a Lego MOC, you've established a connection.
I'd cut that statement off at this
"LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product..
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Well then, don't cut it off there and presumably you'll have an easier time understanding
how to employ what *is* written. But apparently not. But I still think
Dan was a genius at getting such things worded exactly how he meant them.
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"Something" to do with it is very vague and if you can make an argument for manufactured
mud bricks, I can mirror that with Tyco, MegaBloks, what have you.
| | "LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product or have something to do with it. Other brand products such as MegaBloks
are not allowed on this site. For custom items without original LEGO content,
the item's primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement a Lego
collection."
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Is it like the selective omission of "as part of a duly constituted militia"
when USAians argue about their 2nd Amendment?
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Mega Bloks will never reference Lego on their site, it's not good for their brand
and they have no permission to do so from Lego..
But they were created as a lower cost alternative.. Why else make them the same
size as Lego.. They could have made bricks 4 plates high, not 3.. could have
made the studs bigger or smaller, but they didn't.
Mega Bloks probably likes nothing better than to put on the same plane as Lego.
half of local ads that I see for Mega bloks references this too, "compatible
with Lego", "Just like Lego", "Fits with lego"
they may not outwardly say they are to be used with Lego, but you know that was
their goal.
The progression here at Bricklink, in my eyes of course,
Brickarms.. - ok, not so bad, can be used with Lego
East Asian weapons and shields..- same as above.
East Asian 'mud bricks' - err, ok, well, Lego has never done mud bricks, I suppose
that's ok.
Lego Elements in other colours - I guess since Lego never made them in that colour,
they could be ok.
oops.. Lego elements in production colours - ok.. that passed the line. perhaps.
The trouble with people, especially when money is involved, you draw a line,
someone will push forward, just to make sure that line is solid.. and if it's
not, then it's good for them.
Monorail tracks (home made) supplement Lego products.. lego doesn't make them
anymore, so is that fair game?
Light Bluish Grey masts.. Lego only made them in one set, no sign that they will
do so again, is that fine?
if it wasn't already shown that people can't handle a light line, it'd be fine
leaving it at your definition, but if you can say that a single Mega Bloks element
supplements a Lego project, you've opened the door.
and in the case of the bricks from Taiwan, they sell nothing Lego on the site..
They are (as per their terms) a "MANUFACTURER". Their bricks can be used with
Lego.. MeagBrands is a manufacturer, their bricks can be used with Lego.
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| In Suggestions, tcoats writes:
| | Is anyone else having the problem with trouble makers deleting items from your
inventory by falsely claiming it is a custom item when it is just an item from
the catalog with a note on it. I consider anyone being able to delete items
from my account to be a MAJOR security hole and need to have the ability to deny
such requests.
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Hi,
I guess you don't understand how the removing process works.
Only The Admin himself can remove a listing from your store.
But he will not search any store for possibly wrong listings.
Anyone can report anything for not being appropiate within the listing rules
but Admin has to review it before any action is taken. So, if a listing has been
removed from your store, rest asured, it was reviewed by The Admin before
it was removed.
If you still feel to complain about any items being removed from your store,
I recommend to politely write to the Help Desk to get an explanation what was
wrong with your listing(s)
http://www.bricklink.com/helpDesk.asp
as permanently ranting in the forum about it will neither help you nor can anybody
but Admin give you a correct answer.
Regards
Ronald
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The rules of the site state that ALL items listed must be Lego brand. I am not
listing non-Lego items, just incomplete figures or items with notes on them.
This does not make them custom items.
A custom item is a set you created or a figure you painted to look like Cher
or George Washington or something.
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| In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Suggestions, LEtgomyeGO writes:
| | My position has nothing to do with "like" or "not like." My suggestion for a
method to determine what can or can not be listed has to do with the using the
"Item for Sale Listing Policy" of Bricklink.
If the items being considered have, as their primary purpose, to be "used
with LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - then they're okay. If they don't
they're not.
Whether or not someone "likes" the item or not.
I'm pretty sure if you ask makers of sports cards what the "primary purpose"
is of their product, they're not going to say, "To be used with LEGO or to supplement
a Lego collection."
It's not whether the person buying or selling thinks the item will be "used with
LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - it's whether or not the individual
or company making the item has that intention.
David
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Based on your definition above, can you say with certainty that the owners of
MegaBrands never made their product to be used with Lego or to supplement a Lego
Collection?
Mega Bloks will never reference Lego on their site, it's not good for their brand
and they have no permission to do so from Lego..
But they were created as a lower cost alternative.. Why else make them the same
size as Lego.. They could have made bricks 4 plates high, not 3.. could have
made the studs bigger or smaller, but they didn't.
Mega Bloks probably likes nothing better than to put on the same plane as Lego.
half of local ads that I see for Mega bloks references this too, "compatible
with Lego", "Just like Lego", "Fits with lego"
they may not outwardly say they are to be used with Lego, but you know that was
their goal.
The progression here at Bricklink, in my eyes of course,
Brickarms.. - ok, not so bad, can be used with Lego
East Asian weapons and shields..- same as above.
East Asian 'mud bricks' - err, ok, well, Lego has never done mud bricks, I suppose
that's ok.
Lego Elements in other colours - I guess since Lego never made them in that colour,
they could be ok.
oops.. Lego elements in production colours - ok.. that passed the line. perhaps.
The trouble with people, especially when money is involved, you draw a line,
someone will push forward, just to make sure that line is solid.. and if it's
not, then it's good for them.
Monorail tracks (home made) supplement Lego products.. lego doesn't make them
anymore, so is that fair game?
Light Bluish Grey masts.. Lego only made them in one set, no sign that they will
do so again, is that fine?
if it wasn't already shown that people can't handle a light line, it'd be fine
leaving it at your definition, but if you can say that a single Mega Bloks element
supplements a Lego project, you've opened the door.
and in the case of the bricks from Taiwan, they sell nothing Lego on the site..
They are (as per their terms) a "MANUFACTURER". Their bricks can be used with
Lego.. MeagBrands is a manufacturer, their bricks can be used with Lego.
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Very well put Brett, lets see what happens to my listing of a "custom" vase
graham
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | LEtgomyeGO | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 15:19 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| To be clear, it's not my definition - it's BL's policy. And I don't see it as
a definition, but as a method to distinguish what's acceptable from what's not
acceptable.
In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
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Based on your definition above, can you say with certainty that the owners of
MegaBrands never made their product to be used with Lego or to supplement a Lego
Collection?
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Nope. But I don't have to because the BL policy doesn't require that question
to be answered. Mega Bloks, by making a complete system, makes the distinction
for me. Brickarms only makes items that supplement Lego - not a complete system.
| | Mega Bloks will never reference Lego on their site, it's not good for their brand
and they have no permission to do so from Lego..
But they were created as a lower cost alternative.. Why else make them the same
size as Lego.. They could have made bricks 4 plates high, not 3.. could have
made the studs bigger or smaller, but they didn't.
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Yep. They clearly wanted to take advantage of the market that Lego created.
To do that, they made their blocks "compatible." But I still maintain that
if they were attempting to create items that were to be used with Lego or supplement
a Lego collection, they wouldn't have launched a whole system - just compatible
items.
Even your description of Mega Bloks uses a term that makes my point - "Alternative"
(which, I believe is distinctly different from "supplement.")
| | Mega Bloks probably likes nothing better than to put on the same plane as Lego.
half of local ads that I see for Mega bloks references this too, "compatible
with Lego", "Just like Lego", "Fits with lego"
they may not outwardly say they are to be used with Lego, but you know that was
their goal.
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I don't know that. I believe that their purpose was to take part of Lego's market
away OR to provide an alternative to Lego.
As for the ads - those are from stores, are they not? A store is going to want
to market items in a way that is likely to sell the most items. That doesn't
necessarily mean that Mega Brand agrees or that the primary purpose is to supplement
Lego.
| | The trouble with people, especially when money is involved, you draw a line,
someone will push forward, just to make sure that line is solid.. and if it's
not, then it's good for them.
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I agree that some people will push a line to see "how solid" the line is. If
not met with resistance, they may push even further.
| | Monorail tracks (home made) supplement Lego products.. lego doesn't make them
anymore, so is that fair game?
Light Bluish Grey masts.. Lego only made them in one set, no sign that they will
do so again, is that fine?
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These would need to be considered under a "clone distinction" not a "primary
purpose" test. I believe that clones are not allowed, but I'm primarily focusing
on the "primary purpose" distinction.
| | if it wasn't already shown that people can't handle a light line, it'd be fine
leaving it at your definition, but if you can say that a single Mega Bloks element
supplements a Lego project, you've opened the door.
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Actually, if one applies the "primary purpose" distinction, the single Mega Blok
element isn't allowed even if someone uses it to supplement a Lego project.
It still goes back to the "primary purpose" of the element, not the application
of the element.
If I use a digital camera to take pictures of my Lego creation, to "supplement"
a Lego project, as it were, my camera doesn't automatically become something
I can sell on BL just because it "supplemented" my project because the primary
purpose of a digital camera is to take digital pictures, not supplement Lego
projects.
| | and in the case of the bricks from Taiwan, they sell nothing Lego on the site..
They are (as per their terms) a "MANUFACTURER". Their bricks can be used with
Lego.. MeagBrands is a manufacturer, their bricks can be used with Lego.
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The difference (as far as I see it) is that one makes a complete system that
is designed to compete with Lego rather than supplement it and the other makes
individuals items that supplement Lego play. As long as those individual items
are not clones, they'd be okay (imho).
Ultimately, I believe (based upon the wording used on the BL site) that the intention
was to allow items such as Brickarms, but not Mega Bloks with part of the test
being, "does this item (these items) compete with Lego?" If they competed, they
were not allowed. If they supplemented Lego, they were allowed.
Off to work. Have a good night all.
David
LEtgomyeGO
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | LEtgomyeGO | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 14:43 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I didn't take it personally, just clarifying that my position isn't based on
what I like or don't like - it's based upon the BL rules.
Regarding some of your "examples," if any of them had as their "primary purpose"
to be "used with LEGO or to supplement a Lego collection" - I'd say yes, they're
allowed. But I'm pretty sure that's not their primary purpose.
Star Wars collectors collect anything Star Wars related. The distinction they
use is "Star Wars" - if something is Star Wars related, it's fair game. So,
a Star Wars comic is fair game. A posable 12" action figure of Luke Skywalker
is fair game. A Lego SW set - fair game. A Lego Batman set - nope. Even though
Lego makes an item they collect, not all Lego is Star Wars related.
It's about making distinctions.
"Primary purpose" creates a distinction.
David
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| | | | | Author: | Graham. | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 12:55 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| OK well lets kick it up a notch as Emiril would say
I shall list this piece as a custom, Lego make nothing like it and it's "primary
purpose" is to compliment a living room set in a a Lego modular building - it
is a vase with bull rushes (as far as I am concerned), looks absolutely lovely
on the corner table.
Does it matter WHO made it? What if I made one just like it?
I go back to my original stance if Lego didn't manufacture it - it isn't Lego.
Now Brickarms, sorry it ain't Lego, however much you may like their product,
personally I think nice items, not Lego, No thanks.
Chromed bricks (or painted what's the difference?) again NOT Lego.
Now on "unreleased parts" - unless there is some evidence to support Lego selling
these to someone, then they must be stolen, I asked about this a while ago, the
answer was some places are rather "leaky", this would suggest being removed without
consent = stolen. No thanks!
It's either all or nothing you CAN'T sellect favorites!
What if these "custom" (Taiwan) bricks are actually made by Cobi, Megablocks
or Star OR in the same factory after hours?
Please draw the line, without favor to some and not others, and as Lego certainly
unofficially endorse Bricklink :- don't bite the neck of the golden goose!
Please consider these points.
graham
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| | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 13:05 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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Now on "unreleased parts" - unless there is some evidence to support Lego selling
these to someone, then they must be stolen, I asked about this a while ago, the
answer was some places are rather "leaky", this would suggest being removed without
consent = stolen. No thanks!
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The PAB walls at the Legoland Parks(which are not actually owned by Lego) periodically
have "unreleased parts" . Which would of course not be stolen.
Bret
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| In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
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Now on "unreleased parts" - unless there is some evidence to support Lego selling
these to someone, then they must be stolen, I asked about this a while ago, the
answer was some places are rather "leaky", this would suggest being removed without
consent = stolen. No thanks!
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The PAB walls at the Legoland Parks(which are not actually owned by Lego) periodically
have "unreleased parts" . Which would of course not be stolen.
Bret
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OK that's nice to know
However, not the case at Legoland Windsor, apparently one of the "Leaky" places,
the thread has vaporized
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SimplyBricks | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 13:49 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
| | snip
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Now on "unreleased parts" - unless there is some evidence to support Lego selling
these to someone, then they must be stolen, I asked about this a while ago, the
answer was some places are rather "leaky", this would suggest being removed without
consent = stolen. No thanks!
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snip
The PAB walls at the Legoland Parks(which are not actually owned by Lego) periodically
have "unreleased parts" . Which would of course not be stolen.
Bret
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OK that's nice to know
However, not the case at Legoland Windsor, apparently one of the "Leaky" places,
the thread has vaporized
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I *KNOW* for a fact that the modelmakers at LLW (that's Legoland Windsor to the
uninitiated) sometimes have surplus stock that they then have put into the PAB
walls.
Also, on the two occasions I have been to Billund Legoland, there has been stuff
in their walls and dotted around the shop which are previously unreleased items
and some which have only been released small scale in Denmark.
Those places are not 'leaky' as you like to refer to it, but if you're there
at the right time you can pick up some unique bits.
For most AFOLs clone brands are those which are trying to take market share of
the construction toy industry from LEGO.
Custom parts are those which are manufactured on a smaller scale enterprise and
made to be used WITH Lego to enhance collections and playability.
Simples.
Emma (again posting as me and not in my inventory admin role)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Graham. | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 14:09 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SimplyBricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
| | snip
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Now on "unreleased parts" - unless there is some evidence to support Lego selling
these to someone, then they must be stolen, I asked about this a while ago, the
answer was some places are rather "leaky", this would suggest being removed without
consent = stolen. No thanks!
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snip
The PAB walls at the Legoland Parks(which are not actually owned by Lego) periodically
have "unreleased parts" . Which would of course not be stolen.
Bret
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OK that's nice to know
However, not the case at Legoland Windsor, apparently one of the "Leaky" places,
the thread has vaporized
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I *KNOW* for a fact that the modelmakers at LLW (that's Legoland Windsor to the
uninitiated) sometimes have surplus stock that they then have put into the PAB
walls.
Also, on the two occasions I have been to Billund Legoland, there has been stuff
in their walls and dotted around the shop which are previously unreleased items
and some which have only been released small scale in Denmark.
Those places are not 'leaky' as you like to refer to it, but if you're there
at the right time you can pick up some unique bits.
For most AFOLs clone brands are those which are trying to take market share of
the construction toy industry from LEGO.
Custom parts are those which are manufactured on a smaller scale enterprise and
made to be used WITH Lego to enhance collections and playability.
Simples.
Emma (again posting as me and not in my inventory admin role)
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When were you last at Legoland Windsor?
there is no PAB "wall" !
they have a few containers behind the check out with nothing more than a few
pieces of junk!
**selpmis**
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SimplyBricks | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 14:25 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | In Suggestions, SimplyBricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
| | snip
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Now on "unreleased parts" - unless there is some evidence to support Lego selling
these to someone, then they must be stolen, I asked about this a while ago, the
answer was some places are rather "leaky", this would suggest being removed without
consent = stolen. No thanks!
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snip
The PAB walls at the Legoland Parks(which are not actually owned by Lego) periodically
have "unreleased parts" . Which would of course not be stolen.
Bret
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OK that's nice to know
However, not the case at Legoland Windsor, apparently one of the "Leaky" places,
the thread has vaporized
|
I *KNOW* for a fact that the modelmakers at LLW (that's Legoland Windsor to the
uninitiated) sometimes have surplus stock that they then have put into the PAB
walls.
Also, on the two occasions I have been to Billund Legoland, there has been stuff
in their walls and dotted around the shop which are previously unreleased items
and some which have only been released small scale in Denmark.
Those places are not 'leaky' as you like to refer to it, but if you're there
at the right time you can pick up some unique bits.
For most AFOLs clone brands are those which are trying to take market share of
the construction toy industry from LEGO.
Custom parts are those which are manufactured on a smaller scale enterprise and
made to be used WITH Lego to enhance collections and playability.
Simples.
Emma (again posting as me and not in my inventory admin role)
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When were you last at Legoland Windsor?
there is no PAB "wall" !
they have a few containers behind the check out with nothing more than a few
pieces of junk!
**selpmis**
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not recently I admit, but the fact remains that there have been, in the past,
items put in the PAB bins as surplus stock from the modelshop.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | firefly | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 17:09 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, SimplyBricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | In Suggestions, SimplyBricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
| | snip
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Now on "unreleased parts" - unless there is some evidence to support Lego selling
these to someone, then they must be stolen, I asked about this a while ago, the
answer was some places are rather "leaky", this would suggest being removed without
consent = stolen. No thanks!
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snip
The PAB walls at the Legoland Parks(which are not actually owned by Lego) periodically
have "unreleased parts" . Which would of course not be stolen.
Bret
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OK that's nice to know
However, not the case at Legoland Windsor, apparently one of the "Leaky" places,
the thread has vaporized
|
I *KNOW* for a fact that the modelmakers at LLW (that's Legoland Windsor to the
uninitiated) sometimes have surplus stock that they then have put into the PAB
walls.
Also, on the two occasions I have been to Billund Legoland, there has been stuff
in their walls and dotted around the shop which are previously unreleased items
and some which have only been released small scale in Denmark.
Those places are not 'leaky' as you like to refer to it, but if you're there
at the right time you can pick up some unique bits.
For most AFOLs clone brands are those which are trying to take market share of
the construction toy industry from LEGO.
Custom parts are those which are manufactured on a smaller scale enterprise and
made to be used WITH Lego to enhance collections and playability.
Simples.
Emma (again posting as me and not in my inventory admin role)
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When were you last at Legoland Windsor?
there is no PAB "wall" !
they have a few containers behind the check out with nothing more than a few
pieces of junk!
**selpmis**
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not recently I admit, but the fact remains that there have been, in the past,
items put in the PAB bins as surplus stock from the modelshop.
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Might the current lack of a PAB wall suggest they are trying to curtail the generosity
of the model dept. and be less leaky?
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| | | | | | | Author: | Graham. | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 13:22 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Can't edit so please allow me to add this to the discussion.
I (and others) would like to see a true (house) brick red colored 1 x 2 brick
with the new brick pattern, if i were to commission such a piece, and have it
munufactured - could I sell them on Brick Link as a "custom"?
What if I was able to have it made by MegaBrands manufacturer could I sell them
here?
the line needs to be clear.
Thank you
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Rolf | | Posted: | Nov 14, 2012 13:24 | | Subject: | Re: Please clearly define "custom" | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | Can't edit so please allow me to add this to the discussion.
I (and others) would like to see a true (house) brick red colored 1 x 2 brick
with the new brick pattern, if i were to commission such a piece, and have it
munufactured - could I sell them on Brick Link as a "custom"?
What if I was able to have it made by MegaBrands manufacturer could I sell them
here?
the line needs to be clear.
Thank you
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My definition of existing part redone in different color means this is a clone.
Maker does not matter.
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| In Suggestions, Rolf writes:
| | In Suggestions, Thunor writes:
| | Can't edit so please allow me to add this to the discussion.
I (and others) would like to see a true (house) brick red colored 1 x 2 brick
with the new brick pattern, if i were to commission such a piece, and have it
munufactured - could I sell them on Brick Link as a "custom"?
What if I was able to have it made by MegaBrands manufacturer could I sell them
here?
the line needs to be clear.
Thank you
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My definition of existing part redone in different color means this is a clone.
Maker does not matter.
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