Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | MadiganStation  | | Posted: | Oct 25, 2023 01:10 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | General | |
| I don’t have the power to lock you out from replying on the forum, only moderators
do… This one should probably be locked as well.
In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
he insults everyone claiming fakes are being sold, then calls you toxic for getting
insulted by him after reading his thread & confronting the accusation by asking
for Proof .
then he prevents you from responding to his posts..
because asking someone to prove an accusation is .. Bullying & Toxic...
... but he never proves anything..........
welcome to 2023....
*facepalm
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 23:31 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | General | |
| Only wanted you to go away. You have been pretty toxic on these forums in the
past, and you are definitely living up to that reputation today. You may think
that you are standing up to the big bad bully, but you are the bully, everyone
sees it except for you.
| | you insult every seller on this site, accusing them of either selling fakes or
potentially selling fakes if they sell a deadpool figure & in addition to that,
you diminish the reputation of BL...
and now YOU want the few who read this thread & are insulted by your thread to
shut up & go away... because your thread isn't propping you up as you wanted
wonder why...
good job White Knight...
still waiting on THAT PROOF
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 23:20 | | Subject: | I give up… | | Viewed: | 237 times | | Topic: | General | |
| I am done. You all can believe what you want. I said what I needed to say.
Nate
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 21:15 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 112 times | | Topic: | General | |
| Anyone who reads this, and has a Deadpool that they know to have come out of
an actual set, would you be able to please help me out and just post which picture
yours looks like? The one that I have labeled as genuine, or the one I have labeled
as fake.
This thread has become a pretty big mess, but I would still like to get some
data out of it if possible.
Thanks,
Nate
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:57 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | General | |
| Never. Absolutely never!
| | but at what point do you consider "very good fakes" to be "low quality
real ones"?
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:39 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | General | |
| Please go away, you are adding nothing of value to this thread.
In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
Refunded not 'funded'
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:34 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | General | |
| They did not "add" the embossed print to their figure. They are TRYING
to perfectly copy the figure, they simply did not succeed.
The figures I received 5 years ago had that "thicker" ink, and so does
the ones currently being sold. I am confident that several thousand figures have
been sold since then, so if these were factory defects, did Lego really run several
thousand of them before they caught the issue?
| | agreed, the only one that is slightly concerning is the "embossed" print
but if someone was trying to perfectly copy a real lego figure they wouldn't
randomly add something so obviously off that practically no (if any) figures
have
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 20:27 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | General | |
| I realize what the argument is for the other side, and yes, there would be some
fairly severe implications if it turns out to be true. But in this case, the
majority of sellers could not, and should not, be blamed for selling these figures.
They are, like I said, VERY good "fakes".
But, at the same time, if there is a decent amount of evidence that is pointing
to there being a possible issue, shouldn't that be looked at seriously?
Like I pointed out in the pictures I posted, many of the print differences can
not be attributed to poor print quality. They are 100% different prints. Could
they have had a redesign for the printing plates for a figure that was produces
for less than 2 years? I doubt it, but maybe... That doesn't explain how
these prints are showing up on parts that would have never passed quality control
to leave the factory. Also, 3 of the 5 figures that I received over 5 years ago
had QC issues other than the ones that have been discussed ad nauseam on the
forum recently. The odds of having QC issues on 3 of 5 figures from Lego would
be astronomical!!! I have thousands of new figures currently, and I have never
found a single misprint.
The argument about these not being able to be printed in someones basement does
not hold water either. Pad printing setups can be gotten fairly cheaply, and
getting the printing plates made is not expensive either.
I understand that this is not to be taken lightly, but that doesn't mean
that we can just ignore a possible issue like this. Can you truly say that you
are 100% confident that there is nothing out of the ordinary going on here?
| | its because we know lego print quality can and does vary and its quite possible
it got a redesign at some point so when considering the implications of someone
custom printing at home it would instantly destroy the ENTIRE market for figures
that don't have exclusive molds as then any figure could have been custom
printed so they might have just messed up on this one but the others they got
right which could put many many people out of work/partial income if they sell
Minifigures so with everything taken into consideration its a bit baffling some
people (not at your directly its happened before) just think due to some slight
mold and print variations it was printed but someone in their basement instead
of by lego who might have made test batches that weren't up to quality/first
designs which then hit the market one way or another. until someone can provide
actual evidence that would hold up in court that someone is printing them at
home most (myself included) wont believe some random person is making them in
their basement but rather the more plausible one that they are rejects from lego
or stolen from lego (like the current Mexico factory with the c-3po, cody, rex
(excluding pauldron), etc) or something similar.
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 19:54 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | General | |
| Bootleg = Fake in this context. The figures are being produced (printed) by someone
other than Lego, but are being sold as a genuine Lego produced product.
The differences in printing are easy to spot once you know what to look for.
This isn't aimed at you specifically, but I really am kind of baffled as
to why everyone seems to be ignoring the obvious issues with the prints/parts
to keep diving down the quantity of figures rabbit hole.
| | Technically they aren't fake. The parts are real and verified. The printing
is custom so wouldn't they be more of a bootleg?
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 18:06 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | General | |
| My argument is in no way based on how large of quantity of the figure a seller
has, it never has been about that. But this discussion always seems to push in
that direction, that’s not what I am saying.
Now, if we want to talk about numbers in context of how many of the other two
exclusive figures in that set have sold over the same time, I would be interested
in having that discussion. That would take cooperation from BrickLink themselves
on getting access to those sales numbers over the past 10 years though…
In General, peregrinator writes:
| | In General, Tracyd writes:
| | Unpopular opinion. There isn't much that can be done unless Bricklink started
requiring proof of purchase for everything listed on Bricklink. And I don't
know about you, but I don't have the receipts for the sets I received as
a kid so I can't prove they are real. And if you say I am being factious
I am a little, but where is the line drawn? At what point do they have to require
proof? Is it only figures? Is it based on # of figures? Value of figures? Not
fair to require retroactive proof so anything listed would be grandfathered in.
Also they will just shift to selling on FB Marketplace and Ebay and Amazon.
Will you be upset if I post a couple of hundred Green Army Men from Toy Story?
They were only in one set. And yes I do have that many, purchased from Target,
Wal-Mart and Bricklink. No I don't have proof at this point.
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As I recall the last time the alarm was sounded over this (not Deadpool specifically,
but maybe some SW or Joker figures) the seller whose store was briefly suspended
produced receipts from BrickLink - he had accumulated many multiples of figures
by buying them from other sellers. So I don't think it's weird that a
given seller might have 50+ of a certain minifigure 10 years after it was released.
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 16:43 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | General | |
| Please read the rest of the thread, I addressed this already. These fakes are
printed on "official" Lego parts. I even included a screenshot of Russels
comment.
When you post something like "fake news", it can absolutely nuke a thread.
And this is a serious issue that needs to be discussed.
In General, ZorBeast writes:
| | Russell confirmed the torsos were real not fakes and that was direct from TLG...
so fake news
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 16:11 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | General | |
| Point of clarification. I do not believe that the vast majority of sellers are
KNOWINGLY selling fake Deadpool figures, there are probably only a handful of
bad actors that created this situation over the years. Unfortunately, something
like this spreads like a virus.
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 15:43 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | General | |
| Stop listed me huh? I was going to message you directly to keep things civilized,
but I guess you aren't interested in having a civilized conversation.
In General, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In General, MadiganStation writes:
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The vast majority of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the
last 5+ years have been Fake/Reprinted.
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prove your claim
or else what you just did is Public Defamation towards ANY/ALL seller who has
/ or has sold a Deadpool figure in the past 5 years or currently has 1 for sale
or plans to sell 1 in the future.
so go right ahead.. PROVE what you just claimed .. that "The vast majority
of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the last 5+ years have
been Fake/Reprinted"
i haven't sold any, have none for sale, but might encounter 1 in the future
to sell...
your "in general" trash-talking about BL Sellers is low-grade...
good luck
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 15:33 | | Subject: | Re: $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 111 times | | Topic: | General | |
| In General, WoutR writes:
| | In General, MadiganStation writes:
| | I know this is a VERY uncomfortable conversation to have for a lot of sellers
on BrickLink, but it has to be addressed!
The vast majority of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the
last 5+ years have been Fake/Reprinted. If you bought any in that time frame,
look at these pictures to determine if your figure is genuine.
The figures seem to be printed on "official" Lego parts, though the parts
may not have been produced legitimately, as was addressed by Russel recently
on the topic of questionable torsos flooding the market.
Also, there is precedent for VERY high quality fake prints hitting the market,
which was also addressed by Russel when the email came out about the fake Luke
and C3PO figures.
If the forum downgrades the image quality when they are uploaded, just message
me and I can send higher quality images directly.
Nate
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As far as I know, LEGO has confirmed that that torso variation is real. There
was a message about that on this forum earlier.
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 24, 2023 14:16 | | Subject: | $50,000+ Of Fake Deadpools Sold On BrickLink | | Viewed: | 459 times | | Topic: | General | |
| I know this is a VERY uncomfortable conversation to have for a lot of sellers
on BrickLink, but it has to be addressed!
The vast majority of Deadpool (SH032) figures sold through BrickLink over the
last 5+ years have been Fake/Reprinted. If you bought any in that time frame,
look at these pictures to determine if your figure is genuine.
The figures seem to be printed on "official" Lego parts, though the parts
may not have been produced legitimately, as was addressed by Russel recently
on the topic of questionable torsos flooding the market.
Also, there is precedent for VERY high quality fake prints hitting the market,
which was also addressed by Russel when the email came out about the fake Luke
and C3PO figures.
If the forum downgrades the image quality when they are uploaded, just message
me and I can send higher quality images directly.
Nate
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 6, 2023 20:44 | | Subject: | Re: Got fake, but realised too late | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Help | |
| If that is the case, that makes it ok with you that there are reprinted figures
being sold?
| | probably wouldn't be impossible to make those tho especially if they worked
with the original ones/the original were "lost" instead of destroyed
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 6, 2023 20:10 | | Subject: | Re: Got fake, but realised too late | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Help | |
| There are physical plates for pad printing.
| | I'm no expert so i may be wrong but i don't think lego uses a physical
plate for printing. I'm pretty sure they pad print so as long as someone
has the original file it wouldn't be impossible most likely
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 6, 2023 19:43 | | Subject: | Re: Got fake, but realised too late | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Help | |
| How did they get the print then, do they still have the print plates from 10
years ago to make these Deadpool figures? Yes, I agree that these could be legitimate
Lego parts just made in an iffy way, but the printing is what the issue is.
In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Help, MadiganStation writes:
| | What is the explanation for these Deadpool’s being printed on the newly discovered
unofficial/official torso’s? That is a recent development, those torsos are much
newer than 10 years old. Doesn’t add up.
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could be employees using machines after hours. they might be "illegally made"
but still genuine. (although there was a long debate on wether illegally using
a lego factory means it's still genuine) but things like this are likely
to never be 100% known from any side except the person selling and even they
might not know as they may be the 2nd or 3rd down the line from their original
origin
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| Author: | MadiganStation | | Posted: | Oct 6, 2023 19:30 | | Subject: | Re: Got fake, but realised too late | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Help | |
| What is the explanation for these Deadpool’s being printed on the newly discovered
unofficial/official torso’s? That is a recent development, those torsos are much
newer than 10 years old. Doesn’t add up.
| | likely factory overstock from way back when they were originally made/pocketed
goods which have passed hands multiple times
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